Medieval War: How do you prepare for medieval war?
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- When the King commands you to go to war, how do you prepare? Who do you take with you? How do you get there? In this episode, Jason explores the logistics of beginning a medieval campaign, drawing on his own experiences of transporting horses overseas.
• Executive Producer: Jason Kingsley OBE
• Executive Producer: Chris Kingsley
• Senior Producer: Brian Jenkins
• Producer: Edward Linley
• Director: Edward Linley
• Presenter: Jason Kingsley OBE
• Camera: Lindsey Studholme
• Editing: Lindsey Studholme
• Stills Photographer: Kasumi
• Production Manager: Kevin Case
• Audio: Liam Flannigan
• Sound Design: Liam Flannigan
• Animation Artwork: Edouard Groult
• Music licensed from PremiumBeat
• Additional Camera: Darren Cook
• Additional Camera: Neil Phillips
• Additional Sound: Elizabeth Carlyon
Special Thanks:
• Chris Payton
• Ed Savage
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Not many RUclips "celebrities" can say the following phrase " i jousted at Agincourt" and i just go "okay, seems legit"
Tbf this guy is the ceo of Rebellion developments
It's crazy to think that my great grandfather built his home in Canada facing away from the direction of the "road" behind a hill because his dad had warned him that armies might see your house and take your food. He was a Russian woodworker that fled Russia around 1890. My great-father apparently used to burry his food and money in constant fear that the government would come for it one day, he did that for his entire life.
glad your grandfather left Russia, because now Russia is full of fascists and terrorists. What a shit country it is right now.
@@JackieFrankieful As bad as it is now, it was objectively way worse when he left. There is a wild thought.
And your great grandfather was right. One day the bolshevik government did come for peoples food and money.
Wise man! The government already does that in the banks. They regularly steal people's money through taxation and inflation. Also in Canada, if you donate money to the wrong cause, you could have your bank account seized.
It should be emphasized that the army on the march leaving behind a swathe of destruction also applies to *friendly* armies. Friend or foe, an army passing through your area was bad news regardless of their affiliation.
Friendly armies tended to pay for their goods. So it wasnt quite as bad unless the king came and ate everything
Depended if they had the means to pay on hand and even if they did, if you were a farmer what good is a pouch of silver going to do you if they procured all of your harvest?
"[...] Hence a wise general makes a point of foraging on the enemy. One cartload of the enemy’s provisions is equivalent to twenty of one’s own, and likewise a single picul of his provender is equivalent to twenty from one’s own store."
www.suntzuonline.com/chapter-2-waging-war/
Which is why, so often, the peasants would hide as much as they could.
@@zeytelaloi Capturing supplies is easier said than done. And we're talking more about taking supplies on the move before we even get to the enemy here.
Ahh medieval war campaign, fun for the whole family
It's not just a job, it's an adventure
My background is Army logistics and we frequently quipped that nothing happens until something moves. Great insight into how many things have to move displayed here in this video.
better logistics has won wars throughout the ages in my opinion.
There is a saying I don’t know who said it which is amateurs talk about tactics professional study logistics lol
You get a real sense of perspective listening to this guy
I was at Teutoburg Wald in 2017 and they had a terrific room sized display which was about 10mm scale to show how huge the Roman baggage train was before the infamous ambush took place. The model took up the entire room. It gave a great visual representation of how big armies on the move were.
Most crawled along, camps at the end packing up and travelling past others to go to the front and set up again.
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Very cool!! Although, doesn't it seem that the armies of classical antiquity seemed to be truly massive when compared to the Medieval period?
@@GIGroundNPound they were massive, Rome fought often times with an army sizes of lets say 25-50 thousand soldiers
@@GIGroundNPound Rome's legions were substantially more numerous and better equipped than the kind of armies you saw during the middle ages, closer to the professional forces we see today.
Can just imagine the huge English medieval army boarding a huge fleet to cross the channel - it must have been quite the spectacle in of itself! The medieval equivalent of D-day essentially.
I just love the image of 5,000 pooing horses on the waterfront and the squires and their masters struggling in the dung. No=one talks about such scenes, You really bring history to life
Just like my visit to a dairy farm.it brought new meaning to the term FARM FRESH
Why does it feel as though you know EXACTLY what it's like to get a letter from the king of England telling you to get ready to go to war with France...?
LOL, I'm a time traveller, but don't tell anyone.
I’m thinking send another letter back say no thanks I’ll pay scutlage !
I think you should write a movie script about this. I believe that movie would be great and also different from other medieval movies.
It would be like a two hour camping video with family and friends and what not.
what most people forget is the entourage of only one knight, but when a lower noble goes to battle, he might call all his knights to follow him to battle. and even if every one of them only brought one knave and a servant, that might be a real mass of people travelling.
dude, where's my horse?
Lol. An entire movie about getting ready to war. Gotta wait for the sequel to see the war
@@kodingkrusader2765 Not necessarily. I'd make 1/3 of the movie for the preparations, 1/3 for travelling, and the final part or climax for the actual battle, as gruesome as it is. And maybe some insight what the people left behind at camp do while the soldiers fight.
The Norwegian word for vandalism is Hærverk, meaning "The work of an army"
And vandalism comes form the Vandals.
Wild stuff
Is the word related to english “havoc”?
@@himssendol6512 don't think so.
We also have "Heerwerk" in german.
@@himssendol6512
History and Etymology for havoc
Noun and Verb
`C15th Middle English 'havok', from Anglo-French, modification of Old French 'havot' plunder
You mentioned something that I have never seen depicted in "realistic" historical movies or TV: that you wouldn't fight in a far off battle on the back of the horse that got you there. Very interesting.
If I had to take a wild guess, I would assume that many men weren't even angry at the french anymore, by the time they got on board of the ship. Many were probably wondering why they even got on the ship in the first place.
I love that vivid, colourful and realistic imagination, that creates a whole historical setting by only speaking about it .... :)
Passion for something brings excellence.
It's amazing how much trouble humans will go through to kill each other.
Not that different from metal festivals with moshpits all around.
It's mostly not about the killing itself, more on what will you get after the killing.
Money.
Yet will do nothing to help the down troden
Its usually the communists who start it
Really a gem of a channel. Thank you for this.
And THIS is why I love your channel. You bring up topics that I don’t think many people even think of! I honestly have never thought about how many would travel with a knight let alone how they’d eat!
Makes you really think, and I like that!
Thanks again!
Glad you find it interesting, it's what I like best about history, the little pracical every day things, and forgotten issues.
"No no no! This is the _Rose Mary_ , you need to board on the _Holy Mary_ , sir! It's the 35th dock over there!"
Is that from a movie?
@@rishi7629 Haha, no, just from my mind :)
🤣🤣🤣
Sir Strudlebottom, party of 150...
hilarious nightmare
Jason, would you ever be willing to make an episode on medieval Mongol armies? To our knowledge, they fielded absolutely gigantic cavalry armies of up to 200 000 + and decimated much of Europe with them, despite traveling a distance of 8000 kilometers from their homelands. Their warhorses were apparently more compact than European Destriers, though.
good idea. i believe they did, and still do ride ponies.
it's mind-boggling to think how many horses went into sustaining a military for a season. during the Agincourt campaign, even every archer had their own horse... just to carry their equipment.
Superb video. It would be great to see an in-depth video on the topics you mention on this video: feeding a marching army, transportation overseas, and even the preparations on the battlefield prior and during battle.
Makes you realize that agriculture made war possible. You have to have a surplus to feed all the people who are fighting instead of farming or hunting or gathering.
Thats why before really big agriculture they had fighting seasons
@@kodingkrusader2765 Even in medieval times I think seasons were common.
War on such a scale*
Nomadic tribes still fought and killed each other over resources.
Agriculture essentially made every other human endeavour possible by freeing up time to concentrate and specialise in those areas and still be fed
There were still large battles before great agriculture, they kinda did it like the huns, with lots of cattle and hunting. Especialy in areas where agriculture wasn't greatly developed yet, or impracticle due to geography. And there was a lot of raiding and sacking ofcourse.
"I have jousted in Agincourt, Germany.." You sir are my hero! :) I read somewhere that at the onset of our campaign in Iraq, for every "grunt" on the frontline, there were as many as 25 soldiers, sailors and airmen behind him to get him there and keep him there. Logistics trains make the costs of campaign astronomical. One of the first problems we did to reduce the cost of Iraq was figure out how to reduce that number from 25.
David Denaldi
And that’s before you consider the people growing their food, making the metal, plastic and fabric for their kit, etc.
I think you meant Agincourt, France...
Just look at the size od the military and compare it to how many people are in combat arms.
I’ve read at least 5 different books about the logistics behind Alexander the Greats’ campaigns while studying military history in ROTC, and the lengths they had to go to were unreal.
I currently live in Northern Virginia near the Potomac River. The spot where the Confederate army marching towards Harrisburg, Pennsylvania (they ultimately had the northern most battle of the Cival War in Gettysburg PA) crossed the Potomac is right by my house. There was a column of troops 80 miles long heading north from there.
Another interesting point is that the Union general at the time; Hooker, used to bring prostitutes along with the army to keep morale high. Hence the term “Hookers.”
That makes sense Napoleon's Grand Army and its baggage for the Invasion of Russia in 1812 was said to have been some 50 miles long at its peak. Back then you could average what 15 to 20 miles a day at a good pace without interruption? That's quite mad if you think about it as the troops and baggage line were several days march in diameter. Waging War today is a nightmare on logistics even with all our modern technology so to see how they did it a few centuries to a millennium ago or further is astonishing to be sure.
@Warbel i believe it's Dutch (hoeker)
Thank you Jason. No one could have done this better. Your knowledge and experience are evident throughout the video.
It always amazed me how the armies of ancient and medieval periods received the orders, maintained the formations during the chaos of war!! Could you please explain this how the generals delivered their commands on the battlefield back then.
There's a system of messenger and smaller units in the army, each unit have a commanding officer and the commanding officer each have their commanders.
@@jekesan4221 and trumpet/drum signals too
@@elizabethjansen2684 and flags as well?
@@angeljamais8541 indeed
I love this. Really adds historical impact to all my favorite movies!
Same here! This channel has become my favorite
Jason, you brother, and the crew delivered yet again! Thank you for the visual and representation of all the Kings Horses and all the Kings Men in transport 👍🏽
Something you would never contemplate after watching movies and tv about medievil wars. It don't just happen. I can hardly imagine all the work that goes into battle behind the scenes. What an eye opener this was. Thanks.
That "warhorse on a boat" bit sounds like fucking carnage, mate. I'd have loved to have seen that clusterfuck.
This is historical gold. I love this channel
Thanks!
Did you ever do a video on differences between knights in different countries?
i love that he has horses and how well he takes care of them~ a white horse too! so pretty..
Who would downvote this? This guy is awesome! New sub!
Damn peasants
Dislike bots
Steve Arnett as of now only 0.025% of the people that watched the video downvoted it, that’s 1/4000 people not too bad
This guy is so enthusiastic about what he's doing and seems to be enjoying it so much, that you really have to be heartless to downvote this, even if you think that he's inaccurate in some places.
If you don't have dislikes means your video likes are fake or your video sucks. If a video doesn't produce envy in people means is not good enough.
It's also a huge risk right? Given that you typically took the majority of your men to battle your castle and villages would be fairly vulnerable to bandits and such.
these small details give life - colors, sounds, smells - to my imagination as i listen to history podcasts almost every day. thank you.
I looked through my (supposedly complete) Bayeux Tapestry booklet/ reproduction and couldn't find that reference to loading horses onto ships... although I remember other illustrations from later periods showing slings. But I did notice that when Guy de Ponthieu hands Harold over to William, Harold seems to be riding the stallion that Guy was using in his first appearance, and now Guy is definitely riding a mule of much lighter build than the warhorses everyone else is riding in that frame. A bit of trivia, since you got yourself a mule for fun and research
''The King wants you to fight for him what do you do?''
Happily stay at my Manor and sip tea
**Pay off the king and/or pay a load of mercenaries**
Off with your head!
You *can* do that... But you'll be burning off a whole lot of political capital. If you don't have enough of it, you're going to have serious trouble afterwards.
Why would I stay at home if I think the king is gonna be successful? Waring means plunder and that means a lot of money for me and that is surely worth the risk and even more considering knights were rarely killed (if the enemy wasnt especially cruel or the fighting didnt get personal), they were ransomed, there was a ton of money to be made in ransom!
"When I'm done with the Lannisters, I will march back North, and root you out of your keep and hang you for an Oath breaker."
So much support for just one knight who goes to war.
And an army contains of like hundreds of them.
And here I thought there weren't many people living in the medieval time period. Not as much as now obviously, but still.
A thought occurred that they probably had to practice this in peace time, because a war isn't a good time for training.
Hunting would help you with the pillaging part... but it would also be good practice for packing your kit. Granted you don't usually go hunting in harness, but you'd certainly get used to the rigors of travel and camping.
A knight would have their owed military service they'd pledged to their liege, and presumably they would BYOP (bring your own posse). You don't just ride off for 40 days with a warhorse and a saddle pack. The higher noble would also have to have logistics prepared for the mobilizing and demobilizing troops, provisions for horses, housing and care for people...
A really high noble would be on almost constant campaign, traveling from one place to another just to keep up with supplying such a large household. Humans are easier to move than tons of meat and ale.
Moving knights around must have been much more familiar to them than we understand today.
I'd say that description of a knight refers to a whealth feudal lord, not to the lower ones. I really would like to see more content on the lower nobility. Of course they had lands, armor, horses and stuff, but not as much as we see depicted in those documentaries. My question is how hard would be for them? What type of equipment and resources they'd have at their disposal?
A knight was required to maintain a certain minimum income.
@@ModernKnight interesting! What was life like for them? Not many had castles and top notch equipment for sure.
I'm used to watching content about the big guys, but what about "small fish"? I'm really interested in this type of content. I'd love to watch a documentary talking about what was life for the different levels of nobility!
Another clip-worthy video. I just love the visual of all those pooh-covered ships. What a challenge logistics were. There is so much good stuff left out of history books.
I’m fascinated by the logistics of ancient armies.
You live in the armor you fight in, this allows your body to adept better to the armor giving you a advantage on the battlefield.
the high quality of your videos made me curious, so I looked you up, sir! am very impressed to say the least
I was starting to get ready for crusade but wasn't quite sure what to do. This will do
I love how you guys are going into so much detail on how people in medieval times lived.
1:28 I love this part, very Monthy Python-esque
These "paper cartoons " are my favorite! I especially like the one where they find the king under bridge and capture him!
Dinsdale!
Now I won't be able to get the image of Jason in full plate, on Warlord, lance in hand... and wearing THAT HAT.
It's a sun hat! And I'd have to say, quite probably authentic. Since many farmers in those times didn't have sunscreen ( that I'm aware of). 😐😏👨🌾
That's his farm hat.its designed to keep the sun off you while working doing farm chores
This chanel is awesome !
A cool video subject I'd love to see on this chanel is : siege tactics when storming a castle in medieval times
romain burgy recently, RUclips Shadiversity uploaded a video similar to what you just requested. It's worth a watch imo :D
Tactics for storming a castle are simple: you don't. Vast vast majority of sieges resolved without the castle being assaulted. To actually assault a castle, you need incredibly overwhelming numbers, and even then it will be extremely costly in lives lost. Assaulting a castle is the absolute last resort only done if you have extreme time pressure against you.
Besiege that bitch! Make sure your men and beasts are camped outside arrow range though
Oh that's a good one! How would knights be strategically placed in the case of a siege? Or would there be more archers and siege engineers?
Yeah, I wish more shows/movies tapped into this. I've been crying out for a realistic med evil show , but they just don't exist.
*Medieval
@@kirwitch8236 *Medication evil.
The Last Kingdom on Netflix is pretty good...
Meh...will we ever ACTUALLY know exactly unless we time travel?
@@Eowyn3Pride yeah it is, except for Uthred's leather-armor and the OBSESSION for furs😂
This is what History channel should've been like.
I've said it before in comments on other channels, we would be boggled by the things we as humans have forgotten.
The flower at 1:18 . Blessed infrastructure for relief from battle.
6:20
Sounds like Camp Lejeune, or 29 Palms.
The preparation to go into War! back then sounds very tiring! - what would have been the Income of a Knight/Soldier during those times? I imagine there possibly would have been a lot of disheartened Soldiers in medieval times.....
income varied a lot over the period. we do know that types of soldier were paid differently. Foot soldiers got a few pennies a day, if you had better kit you got more, and some knights got a shilling or more per day of service. that's from memory. I'll look it up and update this post when I get a moment.
There were a lot of disheartened soldiers and they'll pilalge a shit out of the area not only for food, but other loot, rape and just shit and giggles.
archers got payed more than spearmen. knights get the highest pay of all. since england used mostly archers the military expenditure, not just for the archers, but also for their arrows, bows, swords, armor, etc. would have been enormous. not to mention, they also needed horses, and food, and ships for the navy. and also, soldiers to guard the ports. after every battle, is it said english archers use up all arrows. thats alot of money too, and the munitions(arrows, bullets, gunpowder, crossbow bolts, etc) are government provided. if soldiers have the cash they would spend it for better gear. those not so priviledged would have to get cheap stuff, or get second hands. sometimes equipment would be issued or sold to conscripts by the local governments. swords are sometimes handed over from one person to another. usually the better gear you have, the more pay you get too. and the more pay you have, the better gear you can get. since archers are usually skilled and trained, they can get good pay, and that translates to good gear, and that increases their pay even more. knights on the other hand are the best trained of all, can afford good gear, and goes with a large personal group for logistical support, and armed escorts. thus they get the highest pay of all. sometimes the pay is not high enough though.. this is why looting is common, and even today it happens alot.
What a lovely horse
In the US we use trailers to transport horses. I dont think i have ever seen a box van like that used in the states.
Dimes On His Eyes these horse boxes sometimes also have sleeping sections in them my father used to design and build them when he was alive
www.oakleyhorseboxes.co.uk/supremacy.asp
@@MrTangolizard those are pretty cool. I don't think I have seen anything like that in the states in fact I only see trailers.
Don't get me wrong those trailers can be very big and have an entire living area for an entire family and have enough room for 6 or 8 horses. I think 48' long is the maximum length.
I would bet that that length is probably too long for the UK regs to allow.
Dimes On His Eyes yeah you might have to have a different licence to tow something that big mind u my father made some pretty big boxes over the years he even made 6 in Dubai for one of the princes there
really glad I found this channel, read a lot of medieval novels and this makes me get deeper into that world! :D
I am also using some of these video facts to support events and activities in a story I am writing. Thanks a ton!
Love the hat Jason!
All armies marched on their stomachs and logistics were/are a factor. This is one reason why medieval armies were not huge armies. You could only carry so much food and after that's gone...forage or pillage/raid. Friendly forces at least tried to pay while hostiles simply seized. Jason does a great job with the level of organisation required both to assemble and then sustain a medieval force.
Mongols were able to field cavalry armies of 100,000+ and devastate Europe despite coming from a distance of 8,000 kilometers, because the mongolian war horse is compact and grazes on a fairly small amount of grass to stay alive, and soldiers had large pouches of kumiss (fermented mare's milk) and dried meat with them which could last for months per individual soldier. They essentially needed no logistics train at all. The mongolian war horse with full load could travel as much as an astonishing ~300 kilometers daily, something no European destrier could come even remotely close to as they were bred for size.
Thank you for these videos. They are fascinating and very informative!
thanks to the heavens I have at least this channel left during quarantine
This channel is a gem!
Amazing descriptions, the detail made me feel like i was there
that animation at 2:15 was very well done.
I love this dude so much
Just discovered this channel and absolutely love it. Amazing work
Thanks!
Very informative video. People wouldn't think how much trouble it was to go to war, but all of it makes sense.
Even an overseas war is no hassle for a king. The king orders his dukes and underlings to carry out a task, no matter how impossible. If one of them complains they get replaced or removed. The dukes, earls and lords bully their own underlings to get it done now matter how dirty, bloody and sweaty the task. They will do anything to gain royal favor as it results to more land, wealth and titles. Any subordinates that refuse to obey can simply be killed. The king benefits the most (he has to do literally nothing regardless of the outcome), dukes and lord benefit if the war is won, the rest, the 99%, get little to no benefit besides a few shillings and occassional loot.
You really know how to bring history to life.
Thank you for your wonderful videos!
that was too short. i went, “Wait! What?” but really fascinating. thanks so much. your research is incredible. i love your enthusiasm. :)
and it’s great to hear about real people instead of how the rich lived (Downton Abby).
i just knew horses in battle would leave muck everywhere. so all the brave, shining armor stories and movies really clean everything up. very few novels or films show battles and war very realistically. 😊🌷🌱
Great and informative
I suspect that the issue of keeping an army fed and watered was one reason why the armies that were trained in a manner to live off the land sometimes were considered formidable. It works both ways though because during different wars and revolts, armies and people revolting would attempt to sabotage and slow their enemies advance down by basically destroying their own lands to keep the enemy from obtaining what they needed to sustain themselves and keep the military campaign going.
I would be a raging lunatic by the time I get to the battle going through all of that trouble. but I suppose that would be the point in the end.
How is this guy not the host of every medieval documentary on tv
So much great insight into the medieval mindset !
History channel: “Write that down! Write that down!”
If only they would.
History channel: "Did Aliens command medieval armies?"
"I've jousted at Agincourt"
I'm sorry, but that is S-Tier Humble Brag.
I just love your shows because you're so informative.
Who draws all these figurines for the animated scenes? It seems to me that I know this line from somewhere :) By the way, a perfectly captured identity, especially since some people appear in several animations.
A chap that used to work for me called Edouard, very talented.
@@ModernKnight It seemed to me that I recognized :) By the way, he drew King Wladyslaw Jagiello and Prince Witold very nicely.
Love your channel so much it’s helping me research for my fantasy book 📖
sounds exciting!
Jason Kingsley thank you ! 😄
Yup. Looks like it's time for rewrites.
I love your work so much
Thank you very much
yeah it's just not practical to attempt to get warhorses to climb the narrow plank from dock up to the deck. Dangerous too as horse hooves aren't the best on slick surfaces and damp wood is rather slick. Since the ships are already using their masts as cranes for the heavier cargo, it's just easier and less dangerous to lift the horses aboard.
Awesome work guys! I have just subscribed :)
Could you please talk a bit more about logistics of the army/knight while on the enemy's ground?
I've just had a thought, as a non-equestrian.
Horses have blinders for well thought out reasons, but how would they act with the equivalent of a falconry mask. Would they trust their handler to guide them more, if they can't see at all?
Clint Carpentier they wouldn't move, because a horse can't walk blindly without tripping and injuring itself.
Food and rest are the priorities after observation, communication and battle awareness
Really enjoying your vids. Can't believe you don't have your own tv show.
Maybe one day!
1:57 that escalated quickly 😂
Would you ever put up a video of you competing at one of them mock battles? Would love to see that 😎😎😎😍
Awesome channel and series! Keep up the good work! :)
Love little descriptions like this, thank you
Fascinating
thanks.
A lot the words he is used for various type of horses I encountered whilst reading the game of throne books (ASOIF).
Great series, thank you
Love this show!
Things I've never even thought of. Keep up the good work👍
This is a great story to learn ..... real things.
thr real life is the worst RPG on hardest mode, where every mechanic is against you 😂
With permadeath!
@@bladebitten2766 nah, you respawn but you have to roll a new character in the region with racial bonuses based on your first character’s best skilltrees
Harold Godwinson ~15 day march from the north of England to Hastings during 1066 seems unnaturally fast... do you happen to know any reason why that was? My best guess is that he was didn’t bring the Yorkshire fyrd down and was able to travel on horse back with his thanes and huscarls and the raise the local southern fyrd.
185 miles in 15 days is 19 kilometers per day with no rest. It's excruciatingly painful for armored foot soldiers but not physically impossible.