THIS LATE MEDIEVAL BATTLE IS INTENSE - Battle of Pavia - 1212AD Medieval Total War
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- This is a Historical recreation of the Battle of Pavia. The game is Total War: Attila with the Mod 1212AD Medieval Kingdoms!
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While Venice didn't fight alongside France in the Battle of Pavia, the Marquesat of Saluzzo did, and they were an Italian region in northern Italy. So them being represented by Venice would make sense.
Venice was definitely a consistently ally of France
Also Venice was allied with France during this war but didn’t partake in this specific battle, so their inclusion seems warranted.
Not soo much. They had whole different classes of troops.
@@acdragonrider not at all, Venice fought the kingdom of France on numerous occasions. In fact, Venice had one time or another to fight against all major European powers.
Just in that period:
first Italian war - 1495 - the league of Venice fought against France
war of the League of Cambrai - Venice fought against France from 1508 to 1513
After the war of the League of Cambrai, Venice took a neutral stand in the European theater of war, concentrating primarily in defending against the Ottomans (there were some exceptions due to force majeure like the naval battle against the Spanish fleet at Gibraltar in 1618).
Not to mention when fighting against its long time rival and enemy Genoa many of the troops and commanders were French, and on top of that the French were regularly allied with the Ottomans.
So no, Venice was not a traditional ally to France, Venice was a much more consistent ally to Florence, than France.
Not in the slightest dude, The Republic of Venice was an England of the mediterranean always against popery and France. France was ally of the ottomans during the war of Cyprus.
The Swiss mercenaries were quite important in the French army during the Italian wars so it’s natural they’re represented here
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yea, but they look funny (somehow...)
@@mandranmagelan9430 They always do, look at the later Reisläufer: They basically went to war in the most offensively garish pimp-outfit they could find.
@@mnk9073 yea, you're right 🙂
but these (modern) code of arms on their shields are still kind of funny...
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4:29 "look at the butterflies, you see the butterflies, amazing."
Walking dead moment 🔫
Ahhh after so many months finally MKTW 1212 AD video thanks bro I really enjoyed it.
Thanks for heart bro I have so many hearts from you
I love this historical battles and the way Apollo is commentating them.
No overanalysing how players use the games mechanics correctly or incorrectly. Just focusing on the battle and how it is playing out.
Appreciate it bro!
I´ve always love the way this battle is depicted in M2TW where the Spanish instead of capturing the French king (thats what historically happened, btw), flee the field of battle just to give credit to the player for his death or capture XD
By 1525 Knights/men-at-arms no longer used shields. French infantry no longer used pavaises and spears. This type of infantry was used at Crecy and Poitiers but by Agincourt they were not used.
@@josephwalukonis9934 i suppose they use those units just to show the more poor equiped troops in the field.
as far as i know, on Pavia there was only frenchies and Habsburg troops (both spanish and austrian ones, mainly spanish tho)
No, it was mostly French, Germanics and Italians.
Germans and spanish allies vs French and italians supported by swiss mercenaries. it was a big melting pot
there was definitely plenty of landsknechts and swiss mercenaries and I´d assume thet wouldnt be all of it.
I'm so proud of apollo. Only if he would bring back his Atila series
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I know right, this and Shogun 2
@@declanjones8888 yes sir
"look at this huge amazing battle people are going to die it's going to be a huge fight there's going to be blood everywhere it's going to be gruesome it's going to be something to remember the- Whoa look at the butterflies"
In fact the so called Holy Roman Empire would at that time be named Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation which translates to Holy Roman Empire of (the) German Nation so HRE is still correct if you just use it as a shorter nickname ♥
"The HRE is neither Holy, Roman, or an Empire" -Voltaire
In the words of a brilliant man, Voltaire can choke on a baguette!
He made an excellent point though.
I don't much care for Voltaire as a historical figure, but analyzing the late Holy Roman Empire would most likely lead one to the same conclusion
You have to be Centrilized to be an Empire
@@louisryan5815 I analyzed it and i figured it to be the best empire in medieval history
@@mlibo5868 It was
We need more Byzantine plays
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Agreed, and i love how the MK1212 modders added exclusive or have units that look different for the successor states of Epirus, Latin Empire, Nicaea and Trebizond to stand out
@@OperatorMax1993 yeah , based ,but every time I see Byzantium or the rump states in action,they always lose , like if it was a historical battle ,fine , but not in every single match dude ! I can't enjoy the game if 1/10 matches has my no1 nation in it and it always loses
@@sotirisl9388 yeah man! It's like original Medieval 2 where they always lose 99% of the time! I can't a enjoy the game if 1/10 matches has my no1 nation in ot and always loses neither!
2:25 that made me lol
this video makes me wanna go back and download Attila, Great video Apollo! Keep at it
This mod looks awesome but it had a lot of glitches when i played it.
"God I hate Mondays" - Franch
I live close to the castle of mirabello, where the battle happened, in one of the farmhouses next to the one Francis the I was held prisoner in.
Can say it doesn't/didn't look like this at all
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Haven't watched in a while, been a fan for a few years now... the sweet armour sets pulled me in for a nostalgic bit of Apollo + TW 💪
I'm pretty sure Charles V was not at the battle. However, Francis I was, and he was also captured.
Yess 1212 is back on the menu!
21:00 I don't know who the saint on that flag is, but he looks high af. "Give peace a chance, you guys." Great commentary, Apollo, as always!
I think its Santiago as a pilgrim, patron of Spain and knights
Thanks again man always such a joy to turn on one of your videos
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Its not the holy roman empire in fact the majority of the army was spanish. We were under the rule of EMPEROR charles I of spain and V of germany son of juana la loca (daughter of spanish kings elisabeth and fernando the catholics);and Felipe el hermoso (hasburg) the names are in spanish and in the game u can see the simbols of castille leon and aragon
I always love these battles. Doing historical battles holds so much potential
Congratulations apollo for 900k subs keep up the good vids
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So glad this is back
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My God what an intro! I haven't watched you in years but I finally remembered you and this is the first video I'm watching!
What’s the map?
There needs to be a morale debuff to having thin long lines of only 2 men deep. If you charge the center of a unit using a deep ranked regiment of men, it should auto kill all the men in the middle of the enemy formation, since their line of only 2men deep could not resist a 5 man deep charge, as well a unit should immediately route when it's center gets blown out after that.
Hello, I am from Spain and I have an ancestor who was the one who met the King of France Francis on a farm. Thanks to that, and through other exploits, he was knighted. It's very funny to see a representation where he could be represented
1525 Jörg von Frundsberg a commander of the HRE with 12,000 men and 29 flag-bearers, relived Pavia an save the duchy of Milan. he won most his battles and captured the french king. he is a important figure in the history of the landsknechts next to emperor Maximilian I. unfortunately one son was killed in 1524 an his grandson in 1586 dooming his family branch to the sands of time. also the swiss mercs and the landsknechts had a intense rivalry to the point if they came across each other, they would engage in Bad war and give nor take any quarter
Historical battles never get old !
Finally! More 1212ad
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I can’t get over how good and shiny that armor is whenever I watch videos with this mod. 1212AD is by far the one I watch the most.
If this is the battle of Pavia, I'm a pink flamingo. XD
Bro the battle of Pavia was Spain settling it’a argument with France about how the split the kingdom of Napolis
Actually it was not the SIRG, it was spanish Empire
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Totally unreal. I was there and I didn't see me running like crazy over the hills and dales back to mama.
More 1212AD pls!
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There's a pretty dark manga called Wolfsmund where the Habsburg-appointed villain is facing the future Switzerland's insurgents.
That sounds cool, any more information on that manga?
@@declanjones8888 It's written by Kuji Mitsuhisa, a woman who was Kentaro Miura's assistant. Kentaro Miura created Berserk. Wolfsmund ("the wolf's maw") is a rather brutal no-magic medieval manga with a cunning and vicious antagonist whose work is to suppress rebels and enforce the Habsburgs' laws. The manga has several arcs which are rather stand-alone ish though it helps to have read the previous one to read the next ones. The arcs are a crescendo of violence (and I'd argue sadism from the villain) where "good guys" and innocents get crushed (for the most part). The reader might think that there's nothing these poor lads can do, but actually these people's struggle does get a payoff since the population gets fed up with both the Habsburgs and the villain. An uprising starts and his castle gets besieged. He can no longer send twenty guys after one schmuck in a village where everyone is too scared to resist when said village grew so resentful they'd rather fight to the death.
@@destroyerinazuma96 Man that sounds cool, I've got to read this.
''This might be what France needs here and here comes another Rally charge by the Holy Roman Empire...'' Nevermind...
I love the excitment and energy pixie is showing here
Can you do a 1212 ad campaign but you probably wouldn’t finish it
Probably lol
4:30 these are indeed darts, very underrepresented in videogames and pop history despite being all over the place in sources, particularly pictorial. They're definitely not oversized here, mount and blade just got them wrong lmao
Awesome to see you still do Medieval Kingdoms 1212 stuff, looking forward to seeing the late starting date
6:55 It was Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba, el Gran Capitán, "the great captain"
Ya pero ya sabes que fuera de España no tienen ni idea por eso ni nombran al imperio español😒
your vids are really good keep it up
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Congrats on 900k subs ❤️
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I love that all I had to type in to find your Chanel was “pixe”
6:50
No the Imperator Carlos wasn’t present.
Charles de Lannoy and Antonio de Leyva were two generals commanding the imperial forces
2:40 you said they are neither holy roman or an empire in old 1212ad siege of constantinopole video :)
I've kept historical multi replays for years. Never seen them on any channel lol.
Excited to watch my yearly apollo video
funny we just spoke about this is history... In connection to the peasant wars and how the the payed soldiers than went back to massacre the peasants after this battle... And even made it possible for the peasant to even uprise...
The Lombard League might be that north Italian faction you spoke about.
In fact, it was "Holy" because the ruler was supposed to receive his power from God himself and the authority was given by the pope. It was "Roman" as Charlemagne restituted the legacy of the Western Roman Empire and co-existed with Papal State which was based in Rome. Moreover, the "Western Roman Empire" was recreated while there was no Basileus in Byzantine Empire (which btw. wasn't called that way at the time, it's the term created by modern historians - Byzantion was the name of the city before it became Konstantinoupolis). It was an Empire from a legal point of view because (not always of course) there was an Emperor. Actually, we could say it was more of an Empire than the Roman Empire as the ruler of Rome was never called an emperor at the times. It was either Princeps, Dominus or Augustus and Romans of I - V centuries never called themselves an Empire (in their heads they still were a republic and they never heard of the political changes that took place at the time of Augustus). I know it's only theoretical and it was a way to legitimze the power but it was real from a legal point of view. There was even another type of crown reserved for the emperor, which was supposed to exalt him above kings (who could be vassals of the emperor like the king of Bohemia).
I know these are just terms that were used for politics and there was nothing "roman" or "holy" (HR Emperors were often excommunicated) in Sacrum Imperium Romanum. This remains an interesting case because it shows how timeless the Roman power was and how it shaped Europe - there was a balance formed of Eastern and Western "Roman Empire". It also shows that it was the ultimate and highest form of power for one person - Napoleon was an "emperor", Russia became a Tsardom, Ottomans claimed they were an empire and none of the above was like the Roman Empire.
Apart from that, great job with the reconstruction. I'm looking forward to make one in the future and I know how much work it is. For now I need to get a better PC...
Been used to fantasy for too long. i was actually asking why were they all in a straight line 🤣🤣
I love this mod
This was unexpected
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Long time no see, my lord.
Venice fought with the french in the League of Cognoc alongside English support and support from Pope Clement VII
I would really enjoy if u start 1212 campaign
yes that would be great
People Who can play this are on their prime of enjoying what a fun and beautiful game really looks like cause its not call of duty or gta or the Kids fortnite
If I can get an Empire 2 or Medieval 3 in my hands this or next year I'd be so happy.
You are right, Charles the 5th was not at tha battle. Something else to noet is that the swiss comander the players used died 47 years before this battle.
Gotta love a bit of blood and gore
Congrats on 900k
Fun fact : It's not a coincidence that "Francis" sounds like France. In fact, his name in French is "François" which is the old way of saying French (Français in modern French).
François le français.
@@MaitreObi-WanKenobi François le François lol
@@MaitreObi-WanKenobi Je suis le francais. -Darth Francis
some more 1212ad love it
Holy Roman Empire, the greatest oxymoron
Do a 1212 ad campaign
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Amazing looking units. Bland battlefield
The memes! Love the mockery of the unaviodable HRE correction comment.
*"I'm just kidding"*
He's not
Another great video Apollo keep it up
17:52 every league player ever just needs a couple slurs and swears.
Long live emperor Charles V! Viva las Españas/HRE!
Sick nice vid
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I love it when Appolo do nerd xd
Fuck ya 1212 is back
We need life of a soldier back 😭
17:34 Swiss player here, that is exactly what happened!
you 2v1 me bro overall. I had to use tactics to buy time.
Hey Apollo could you do some shogun 2 battles
1:07 1. Swiss Mercenaries were highly sought after throughout history. From the Romans hiring germanic Alemanni tribesman as Auxiliary to 19th century europe.
Late middle ages was their zenith. Their pike and halberd tactics, discipline and fighting spirit made them such formidable opponents. The most common tactic to deal with them was NOT to engage in close combat. And just use ranged weapons and kill all of them from afar. As their tactics of using square formations and using two handed weapons. Therefore not having any shields. Made ranged weapons quite effective.
So having them pictures with those large shields is historically quite incorrect.
Also we are NOT "frenchish"...
iT wAs GeRmAn (btw your jokes cheesy LAMO)
I would call it High Medieval.
I’m just here for the butterflies
MORE OF THISSSSSSS !!!!!!!
Still dont know about those big goofy shields at this time period.
Both the Swiss and Venetians sided with France in this particular war so the factions in this recreation are correct
Its a pivot... pivotable.. it was a very important battle
That earned a like and my subscription🤣
Hes back lets go woooooooo
IT IS NOT ARMORY FROM BEGINING 12 CENTUARY. IN THIS PERIOD chain armory was only for knights, no plate elements in armour especially for infantry and no plaite armors.
4:25 Focus 10/10 :D
The holiest, romaniest, and imperial of empires
The fakest version of The Roman Empire wamnabes
8000 Swiss mercs and 4000 Italian mercs in the French army
Man I would love to do some historical recreation videos with y’all
Longtime fan here, I know you get it a lo but could you do another life of a soldier
Amazing!!
I miss 1212ad pls post more
so cool!
wait at 17:36 ish, is this pvp? not AIs fighting against each other, if yes, thats dope
Thats awesome