I installed a SFB-1500 in my buddy's car a little over a year and a half ago. It's on 2 E-12'S and he's never had an issue out of the amp. It plays every day.
There is a lot of stories of the SFB line burning up under normal operation. I'm not sure if this video is trying to directly debunk that but it sounds suspiciously just that. Let me tell you about my experience with the SFB line. The fan started making a loud noise after about 3 months. I opened the amp and installed a Noctua 40x20mm fan (not as easy as you would think, the whole board has to come out). While inspecting the board I notice three capacitors are bulging. The amp has never seen less than two ohms and has not been abused. The amp is in my ride and hooked up right now. It is still working but I am afraid it's just a matter of time before one of those caps lets go. In my opinion a test like shown in this video does not prove or disprove anything as far as durability of the SFB line. It seemed as if the video is just crapping on all the told and untold stories of this amp line being unstable. Thats not a good look and the people that know, know.
yess my taramps bass3k (also fullbridge board right? 💁) fan start making noise after 9 month. but a fan on taramps amp is easy to replace. just mound into the side of panel. doesn't same sfb line because fan on sfb is mounted to the circuit board lol same 40x20mm dc brushless fan, new fan also run quiet compare to factory fan. dunno why sfb fan is mounted to the circuit board like that 😑 actually my amp run super cool, doesn't get any warm. hope my taramps can last, don't want to spend much of money to my system
So glad y’all made this video on the SFB , just bought the 1800.5 5 Channel Gotta admit was worried a lot of negative reviews on this RUclips, Thank you 🙏 sundown,
Bro don't listen to them negative remarks on RUclips. Bro I have in operation as we speak 1 Sfb-600 on 4 Sundown 6.5 minds because I just sent the Sfb-200.4 out for replacement. I didn't want to use any of my SounDigital Exo-X amplifiers because I over 5 SFB amplifiers on stand by. I have 1 SIA-3500 that's going on 4 E-series 10's, 1 SFB-1800.5 just sitting, 1 SFB-1000D sitting, 1 SFB-8000D on 4 X15's V2's which is Pounding HARD! Another SFB-100D in my wife suburban on a singles Skar 12 in sub. And if I had to buy another SFB amp I sure would. Them guys aren't hooking up their stuff right.
@@MrJoey478 I've ran everything from the SFB-1k to the SFB-8k when I was a sundown dealer/installer. NEVER HAD A SINGLE AMP ISSUE other than 1 or 2 user error caused blown amps due to improper signal and running it well under 11V under load on shit electrical. The SFB-8k on 6 SA12-s smashed its nuts off and was clean while doing it. I want to run sundown when I pull out my avatar 15's and my D4S JP8
@@BericBuilds Dude on Awestruck Audio hertz Was trying to convince people to watch out for these amps Glad sundown made this video, I’m happy with my SD 1800.5 , to run all my mids and highs , next to my Taramp smart 5 k on 2-12” skars Being installed this week 🤜🏽💯🤛🏽
@Joe so you've had no issues from your sfb8000 amp? What ohm are you running that amp at & how long have you been using your sfb8000? I'm just curious because I have a sfb5000 but I've yet to use it, it's still brand new in box. I've been kind of worried I might have poor experience from it as others claim to have had. I just find it fishy that Derick chose to torture test the sfb600 (an sfb amp that just so happens to not even be full bridge) rather than actually torture testing one of the actual sfb amps that so many loyal Sundown Audio customers have been having problems out of. I mean, he could have tested the sfb1500, 2000, 3000, 5000, 8000 etc... you get what I'm saying. Derick had he wanted to prove something, or restore bassheads faith in the sfb line he should have torture tested one of the various sfb amps that countless customers have had troubles with. I have not seen a single person as of yet say anything negative about the sfb600, let alone complaints of failure from the sfb600... Joe does it not seem fishy to you also, or you think I'm just way over thinking the situation?
@@MrJoey478 Why should anyone ignore negative remarks about a product? Do you only read the positive reviews on a product? The SFB full bridge line up is a hit or miss good product and that's a fact. You can't just ignore all the negative reviews out there, plenty of reputable people have had problems and of course you have so called installers that have never had any problems except user error. I rarely see negative reviews on Sundown Audio products so when they are many like in the SFB line people don't just ignore them. It had gotten bad enough that they replaced the full bride line up with SIA and even JP made a comment that they are "made tougher".
Nice warning for those who love to brag that they can play lower than 1 ohm when the truth is, it’s stressful for any amplifier. Of coarse, some amplifiers are capable but that does not mean it should be done. Now some talk about box rise etc, but that varies greatly on what your system consists of.
@@BenaresDarkness I wasnt talking about equipment, I was taking about method ...ie: pushing an amp past its limits in order to try and blow it to see what it actually takes, which you don’t need anywhere near huge sums of cash for.
@@bobking7347 ya, MD Audio dropped the ball, and Covid didn’t help :/ but with the direction they were heading on certain aspects of the Orion name I’m honestly glad Sound Pros picked Orion up, hopefully they do the brand Justice, Orion isn’t a budget name …
@@Tekjive yeah dude I agree with you, I hope they bring back the hcca amplifiers and those really awesome looking black xtr amplifiers again, md had the right idea with those newly updated amplifiers but, distribution is what ruined it.... I just hope they bring them back the same way but actually make it so people can buy their gear....
these things are pretty impressive i had a 600 on 2 10's and it sounded amazing... ran it for over a year and sold it...still have another 600 hoarded for the GF... and i also have the 8k in my walled car on 2 18's @2ohm and it punches you in the face hard and sounds absolutely amazing musically... havent got a lot of play time but its been in the car for over a year and still powered up the other day when i was messing with the car.. i have an sfb500.4 in the closet waiting for me to do the doors..which are also sundown mids..lol.. anyways, so far.. my experience is that they are great amps if they are taken care of, not abused, and connected to an electrical system that can keep up with the current demand. so far im happy
I run my amps at 15.4v and its fine. They been doing it for years. Theyre solid 1ohm stable and could run .5ohm but i dont want to stress them to the max and 6500watts rms is plenty enough already.
Funny thing is I had my sfb 1500 wired to 1ohm and it randomly went up in smoke with 0gauge ofc wire plus big 3 my voltage was above 13 when it went off like some firecracker. Bought a taramps smart 3 and almost a year later and its still kicking
@Killer32620 yes the Smart3 amps are lil beasts! I've had mine for a year and a half at 1 ohm and knock on wood I've had no issues. I replaced a skar RP2000.1D amp with my current Smart3, I must say my brazillian Taramps Smart3 is a million times better than the Chinese skar rp2k amp that I had. Btw I also have a Taramps md8000.1 amp and a Sundown sfb5000 amp. No complaints on any of them so far. Honestly I prefer Brazilian amps over Chinese amps but that's just from my personal experiences with both of the amps. I do hate to hear of your bad experience with your sfb, I've heard lots of people say similar things. I'm wanting to get the new Smart5 amp, have hoped I could find someone willing to trade their Smart5 amp for my Sundown sfb5000 & me give them some boot but way things have looked lately I'll probably never get that lucky lol. Probably just have to sell my sfb5000 and put that money towards a Smart5. Would really like to go with the Smart5 BASS but from what I've seen so far they do not do as well (as far as rms output goes) at lower voltages like 12.6 - low 13s where the regular Smart5 puts out more than it's rated at 12.6 and Smart5 BASS puts its rated or over around the 14.4 range. I haven't got lithium yet so I'll probably drop into the 13s when playing my music hard but that's just guessing from how my Smart3 does in my daily beater. I already have a 350 h/o alt & big 3 along with all wiring being ofc.
@@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 its all good sounds like you got a killer setup with that kinda power I had an rp 1500 that thing would run hot at 1ohm and shut off for some reason I like my smart 3 more tho except for the loud fans sometimes. As for lithium idk never tried that should be better. I just run a autozone batt under the hood and a xs power d3400 in the trunk. I've thought about lithium tho but idk dont you need a different charging system for that.
@@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 I've been running Brazilian for years and years. I love them. Ive had JL amps up in smoke right after warranty. I've had alpine amps take shits. I've had Memphis amps take shits right out of warranty and take my subs with them. Seriously I've never had issues with sound digital (all I ran for the last 4-5 years) and now I bought a Taramps 3k HD for shits and Giggles and a year later that thing is still fucking knocking. Hasn't shut off or gone into protect once! Impressive as hell for $220
@@MLProductions.1 I've had a Taramps HD3k 1ohm for almost 2yrs running a pair of old school Audiobahn Flame Q 10s in dual 4ohm wired down to 1ohm and love it. Never had an issue with the amp in the 2yrs I've had it, also never had an issue with the subs in the 20yrs I've had them. I've been considering getting the smart 3k or a MD3k in the 4ohm version for those subs. @Barevids on RUclips has some excellent videos on amps in general but he has a couple explaining why Taramps are better than many other Fullbridge amps. The biggest difference is in the protection circuits. Unlike many other amps a Taramps will send small burst of power to check and see if the amp is good before fully powering it.
One day, it just popped....I mean it was clipping and running at full tilt gains all up since i put it in, but it's the amp's fault. Plus it never sounded right...it must be defective...lol Really tho, that thing is a little beast!!!!!
"way higher than you should ever see in a car..." heh, have burned up a few regulators on alternators in my day. Granted they were on air seeder carts though..
I made the mistake a few years ago of asking how they run long term and was called stupid for doing so. Obviously the limited size means limited heat dissipation.
@@MoparStephen I know two people one had the sfb on a pair of 10s and the other had a four channel on mids and highs and both didn't last a month and they were installed correctly.
@Mopar Stephen Taramps are similarly limited in size like the sfb amps and Taramps do not have heat issues. I have a Smart3 & md8000.1, no heat issues period. My Taramps have never been hot, they get warm when playing an hour to hour and a half but never gotten hot, knock on wood. I don't want bad juju. I also have a sfb5000. Btw I fully understand and agree with you asking the question of how an amp will run long term, that is very important. I've seen many amps able to run properly when ran hard for only around a 10 or 15 minute duration BUT then ask that same amp to run hard for 45 minutes or longer is just asking for problems as they'll get so hot they start to melt the jackets on the power wire & melt the plastic on power/ground/remote output terminals. Seen many cheap Chinese half bridge with this issue. Though I'm also aware that improper electrical power can cause these issues about faster than anything else. The Chinese RP Series Skar amps seem to very sensitive when not given right at or in excess of the current they truly need. For example run a Skar RP2000.1D on a slightly weak electrical system and that amp will fry eggs in 10 mins & live in protect mode. The RP amps, and for some reason the RP2K especially needs plenty of current. From what I've seen the RP3500 & RP4500 aren't near as bad about heat/protect like the RP2K is & seems the smaller RP1200 & RP1500 do not give the issues as much neither. My bad I started rambling.
@BEATING NCP93 I mean I don't have personal experience with this amp. I run Brazilian and have for years and they've been super reliable. But for 600 watts rms what electrical do you need? Lmao
Thats funny I've been asking my self the exact opposite about 2 SFB-1000D's I was pushing a SA-Classic 10 for almost a year never a issue upgraded to a SA Classic 12 with a PSI recone and coil im hooking it up the day after it came fed ex straight from David and instantly my clip light came on and never shut off the mosfets on the outputs were blown. I had 13.8 volts at the amp 0 gauge ofc wiring from knukonceptz my ground was directly bolted to the chassis with no resistance got a 1 ohm reading at the speaker terminals took the sub out of the box checked ohm load at each voice coil they read 2.1 each took out the SFB installed a Fosgate prime 500 i had laying around and did a free air test everything was fine so i went and got my second sfb-1000 i had for another project hooked it up and immediately blew the outputs again. Now im far from perfect and make mistakes often and continue to support your amazing product but i still cant figure out what happened and im running the same set up today only with a taramps md3000
He seems to be pushing the narrative that the SFB line isn't randomly burning up like many people have stories about. But I haven't heard any stories of the SFB 600d burning up. Could it be because it isn't like the bigger brothers of the line? He plainly said that the 600d is not a full bridge amp. Anyway, Sundown has 99 percent good product but in my experience the SFB line is in the 1 percent bad.
@ditto I wondered the same exact thing, curious as why Derick chose to test the only sfb which is NOT Full Bridge... Granted I wasn't aware the 600 was not full bridge until he said it. This has got me thinking that Derick & Sundown both are aware of the many issues people have had from the sfb amps, so they chose to do some cleanup & try to restore peoples confidence in their sfb line by doing this video. I'll continue to think something is fishy up until I see them put out a video of one of the larger sfb amps that actually is a full bridge! Considering I have not seen, nor heard any negative stories regarding the sfb600, only stories I've heard of sfb amps popping, blowing, failing, etc has been from the sfb1500 & larger... *ditto I will add that I am also an sfb owner, I have had a Sundown sfb5000 for around a year & a half. Which I would love to trade it for the Smart5. The Smart5 had not been released at the time when I bought my sfb amp. Had the Smart5 been out at time I purchased my sfb I 100% definitely would have bought the smart5 instead and I'm not just saying that because of the issues people are having but solely because of how much I LOVE my Taramps Smart3 amp! The Smart3 is a very good amp, imo its a tank, very tough.
@thomas hunter I hate to here that bro! Curious whether or not your sfb amps were still under warranty when they failed? Were you the original purchaser or did you buy them new/used from someone else? Were you able to get Sundown to fix or replace them under warranty? I know if be upset if one of my amps failed on me that quickly BUT two amps back to back failing on me immediately or almost immediately, never getting to truly use them would have me so angry at Sundown I don't think I could put into words how angry I would be in that situation. Only thing that would keep me from completely losing it, would be finding out Sundown Audio was willing to remedy the problem. I have a sfb5000 and just pray I never have a similar experience or premature failure from my amp. As I must admit that honestly I've been very fortunate when it comes to the amps I've owned since back when I was 16, so a good many years. First amp I ever owned, I bought when I was 16 and it was a big chrome Legacy amp, it would get hot but never tore up. Then had a mixture of Soundstream, Volfenhagen, Kicker, Pioneer, Rockford Fosgate & Alpine back when I was younger, teenage early 20s.
I have a psi platform 4 and it is beefed up to 3500rms psi doesn't have a good cooling system like sundown xv3 12s it heats up on any amplifier you put on it?
@Dustin Newell I have a sfb5000 still bnib, never been hooked up or used whatsoever. I'd be willing to sell it so long as I didn't lose out and take a beating. Thinking I could still come out on it & let it go for less than they are priced on websites for.
Right? U are either running a battery that can't start your car or a shit aux battery bank which most likely means u have big 3 and alt. How would I ever run at 11v
I look at the situation like this? I have a sfb 5000 for almost 2 years now I been running it between. 8 and 1ohm it's not under warranty? If I want to blow it up or throw it in the river? It's my amplifier my choice I have 5 other amplifiers in my garage for backup? 😆
@Eugene maybe I misunderstood your comment but isn't the sfb meant to be ran a "stock Voltage"?? Stock voltage is typically 14- 14.5 Volts on most vehicles. Every vehicle I've owned since a teenager had a "stock voltage" of 14 plus volts. I have a Crown Vic with 350 amp alt and it runs 14.4 - 14.6 volts.
@@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 I'm pretty sure it's safe to say he meant stock electrical, like 1 batt stock alt type situation. For this amp you need 2 runs and 2 batts "at least" and an upgraded alt or it's going to eventually drain it under 11v and these "full range" amps stop making power... Korean boards will smack until they go under 9v then the factory smoke comes out the amp.
I didn't hear any poppin I don't think the amp died, I digress that is an absolutely brutal test. Try it with the actual fullbridge line, bet it blows before the 20v test
I'm confused, I thought the FB stood for full bridge. I have a sundown sv 10 classic on the way and this amp. The sub is a 2 ohm dvc. Will I not be able to reach the 1ohm load I am after by wiring parallel?
I dont understand the dewalt batteries? Its safer then the car batteries at 16v. Sure it says 20v but it doesnt have enough amprage to do anything. You could hook a 40volt battery to it if it was 5amp. It's just unnecessary is my point. Now if they were 30amp ea I could see this bing a ligament test. I did however like the 16v test as well as below 1ohm.
There's so much wrong here I'm not sure where to begin. The dewalt batteries are lithium so the ah doesn't translate the same as a lead acid car battery. 15ah of lithium is plenty for a 600w amplifier.
If you actually tested it correctly I would tell you my opinion . When you were using drill batteries for the high voltage test you could actually see your voltage drop down to 12 volts. If you're going to do something do it correctly
Yeah this video is very interesting but not realistic in live world applications please do a live world application test and see how it works as in playing music at the max for very long. Of time see which one Burns first speaker or amp pretty cool test I think
Why is this a "SFB" if it's not a full bridge amp? Why isn't it a full bridge? And since it isn't a full bridge, why can't it run under 1ohm with a reactive/subwoofer load?
So, he says this IS NOT a full bridge amp, it's a FULL RANGE amp, but, not only is it named SFB, SUNDOWN FULL BRIDGE, but, when he shows the inside of the amp, it looks seems to look identical to every small full bridge amp I've seen, and UNLIKE any NON full bridge I've seen. Maybe I'm wrong, but, I think everyone in these comments would like an official statement as to FULL OR HALF BRIDGE, I'm really not convinced that he didn't misspeak because the look of the guts, and the name BOTH SAY FULL BRIDGE I feel like...sooooo???
It's a FULL RANGE FULL BRIDGE just like the taramps MD or HD series, NOT comparing quality, just using the taramps as something to compare it to that most people will know. I'm not sure why he said that, mistake, or design change in the works or something else idk, but SFB are full bridge, whether they're full range or not has no bearing on the amplifier type just on the frequencies it produces
I had the sfb 5000 and it only lasted 30 seconds..went threw two of them..they warranty the first one and when I sent in the second one after it done the same thing ..they wanted me to pay for another one ..they both blew up soon as I turned the volume up just a quarter so I told them to keep it and the 583 $ I spent on it ..I'll never buy another one of those amps ..they are trash
Thinking of swapping my DB 3015's for a pair of X 15v3's. Would a 9.0 ft³ with around 100 in² of port tuned at 30hz have some good output and low end extension or will they want a bigger box?
9 cubes, at 30 hz. You could use more port area and keep it at 30 hz, I’d shoot for 115+ at 30 hz and 9 cubes net. The xv3 subs are pretty sweet subs. You should have a pretty nice bandwidth, like 24-50 hz ish in a regular no wall ported box.
Dyno #'s mean nothing, unless a person is playing only test tones.. After rise, you'd be lucky to get 200 watts out of this on music. Lol JL and Rockford amps, even taramps now have constant power across ohm loads, which would be a better option, and the 3 listed last longer than these fire bricks. Lol Bring back the old school SAE or SCV line, them amps were actually solid and built like tanks. "If someone blows this amp up, what did you do?" Well, with the growing number of sfb failures, I'd say it's less on what the user did and more of the "why did you cheap out on components."
Resistive is much harder on the amp then that would be, wired to .5 with rise it would be around 1 to 4ohm on music and it would run like that for months and never die.
@@RUclipssucks.. Lithium doesn't need 16 volts unless you run 14 volt batteries and anybody with 14 volt lithium is not gonna have a cheap ass 600 watt amp.
AD-1 #0004....OG status right there!
Is that the 4th Amp Dyno sold?
I installed a SFB-1500 in my buddy's car a little over a year and a half ago. It's on 2 E-12'S and he's never had an issue out of the amp. It plays every day.
There is a lot of stories of the SFB line burning up under normal operation. I'm not sure if this video is trying to directly debunk that but it sounds suspiciously just that. Let me tell you about my experience with the SFB line. The fan started making a loud noise after about 3 months. I opened the amp and installed a Noctua 40x20mm fan (not as easy as you would think, the whole board has to come out). While inspecting the board I notice three capacitors are bulging. The amp has never seen less than two ohms and has not been abused. The amp is in my ride and hooked up right now. It is still working but I am afraid it's just a matter of time before one of those caps lets go.
In my opinion a test like shown in this video does not prove or disprove anything as far as durability of the SFB line. It seemed as if the video is just crapping on all the told and untold stories of this amp line being unstable. Thats not a good look and the people that know, know.
yess my taramps bass3k (also fullbridge board right? 💁) fan start making noise after 9 month. but a fan on taramps amp is easy to replace. just mound into the side of panel. doesn't same sfb line because fan on sfb is mounted to the circuit board lol same 40x20mm dc brushless fan, new fan also run quiet compare to factory fan. dunno why sfb fan is mounted to the circuit board like that 😑 actually my amp run super cool, doesn't get any warm. hope my taramps can last, don't want to spend much of money to my system
@@SUTH_33 gotta pay to play. Powerus is what I would recommend
It's a common issue with these if you play them in a daily they burn up. The dyno test is two to three seconds and you can keep the heat under control
@@EvanField6380 the dyno test is 10 seconds of pure torture. Not 2 or 3 easy seconds.
If only they specced better caps this wouldn't be a problem. I would replace them with Rubycon Low ESR 105c caps, I've had good luck with them.
I'm so begging yall to do a full dyno video of the sia 3500 plz theres like no videos on the sia line to show how badass it is
Ive had 2, yes 2 SFB13500's blow on me within 6 months. Professionally installed at a AD in a 2021 Silverado. Done with SFB, just purchased a SALT12k
So glad y’all made this video on the SFB , just bought the 1800.5 5 Channel
Gotta admit was worried a lot of negative reviews on this RUclips,
Thank you 🙏 sundown,
Bro don't listen to them negative remarks on RUclips. Bro I have in operation as we speak 1 Sfb-600 on 4 Sundown 6.5 minds because I just sent the Sfb-200.4 out for replacement. I didn't want to use any of my SounDigital Exo-X amplifiers because I over 5 SFB amplifiers on stand by. I have 1 SIA-3500 that's going on 4 E-series 10's, 1 SFB-1800.5 just sitting, 1 SFB-1000D sitting, 1 SFB-8000D on 4 X15's V2's which is Pounding HARD! Another SFB-100D in my wife suburban on a singles Skar 12 in sub. And if I had to buy another SFB amp I sure would. Them guys aren't hooking up their stuff right.
@@MrJoey478 I've ran everything from the SFB-1k to the SFB-8k when I was a sundown dealer/installer. NEVER HAD A SINGLE AMP ISSUE other than 1 or 2 user error caused blown amps due to improper signal and running it well under 11V under load on shit electrical. The SFB-8k on 6 SA12-s smashed its nuts off and was clean while doing it. I want to run sundown when I pull out my avatar 15's and my D4S JP8
@@BericBuilds
Dude on
Awestruck Audio hertz
Was trying to convince people to watch out for these amps
Glad sundown made this video, I’m happy with my SD 1800.5 , to run all my mids and highs , next to my Taramp smart 5 k on 2-12” skars
Being installed this week
🤜🏽💯🤛🏽
@Joe so you've had no issues from your sfb8000 amp? What ohm are you running that amp at & how long have you been using your sfb8000? I'm just curious because I have a sfb5000 but I've yet to use it, it's still brand new in box. I've been kind of worried I might have poor experience from it as others claim to have had. I just find it fishy that Derick chose to torture test the sfb600 (an sfb amp that just so happens to not even be full bridge) rather than actually torture testing one of the actual sfb amps that so many loyal Sundown Audio customers have been having problems out of. I mean, he could have tested the sfb1500, 2000, 3000, 5000, 8000 etc... you get what I'm saying. Derick had he wanted to prove something, or restore bassheads faith in the sfb line he should have torture tested one of the various sfb amps that countless customers have had troubles with. I have not seen a single person as of yet say anything negative about the sfb600, let alone complaints of failure from the sfb600...
Joe does it not seem fishy to you also, or you think I'm just way over thinking the situation?
@@MrJoey478 Why should anyone ignore negative remarks about a product? Do you only read the positive reviews on a product? The SFB full bridge line up is a hit or miss good product and that's a fact. You can't just ignore all the negative reviews out there, plenty of reputable people have had problems and of course you have so called installers that have never had any problems except user error.
I rarely see negative reviews on Sundown Audio products so when they are many like in the SFB line people don't just ignore them. It had gotten bad enough that they replaced the full bride line up with SIA and even JP made a comment that they are "made tougher".
Nice warning for those who love to brag that they can play lower than 1 ohm when the truth is, it’s stressful for any amplifier.
Of coarse, some amplifiers are capable but that does not mean it should be done. Now some talk about box rise etc, but that varies greatly on what your system consists of.
I just bought this amp and was checking what it could do thank you for running this
Feeling really good about my purchase of this exact Amp, right now.
Thanks Derek!
This is really the only way to test, and many won’t even try this, much respect bro, got the rep you do for a reason even tho I run Orion ;)
Well not many people have a amp Dyno and not many people can afford a $15,000 dollar battery bank either.
@@BenaresDarkness I wasnt talking about equipment, I was taking about method ...ie: pushing an amp past its limits in order to try and blow it to see what it actually takes, which you don’t need anywhere near huge sums of cash for.
Shame you literally can't buy orion anywhere, especially not online which is stupid, literally everyone else you can, not orion...
@@bobking7347 ya, MD Audio dropped the ball, and Covid didn’t help :/ but with the direction they were heading on certain aspects of the Orion name I’m honestly glad Sound Pros picked Orion up, hopefully they do the brand Justice, Orion isn’t a budget name …
@@Tekjive yeah dude I agree with you, I hope they bring back the hcca amplifiers and those really awesome looking black xtr amplifiers again, md had the right idea with those newly updated amplifiers but, distribution is what ruined it.... I just hope they bring them back the same way but actually make it so people can buy their gear....
these things are pretty impressive i had a 600 on 2 10's and it sounded amazing... ran it for over a year and sold it...still have another 600 hoarded for the GF... and i also have the 8k in my walled car on 2 18's @2ohm and it punches you in the face hard and sounds absolutely amazing musically... havent got a lot of play time but its been in the car for over a year and still powered up the other day when i was messing with the car.. i have an sfb500.4 in the closet waiting for me to do the doors..which are also sundown mids..lol.. anyways, so far.. my experience is that they are great amps if they are taken care of, not abused, and connected to an electrical system that can keep up with the current demand. so far im happy
A lot of juice from this tiny amp. Thanks Derek from big sundown fan
Simply put its a amazing amp . And use it correctly and it will not disappoint. Great job on this video sir.
Hell yes well worth the money
Mine will be here tomorrow!!! I’m stoked!!!
@513EM1 which sfb did you purchase? You order it from D4S. I have a sfb5000.
@@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 sfb600 just doing a small build in my girlfriends car. Yeah d4s
I run my amps at 15.4v and its fine. They been doing it for years. Theyre solid 1ohm stable and could run .5ohm but i dont want to stress them to the max and 6500watts rms is plenty enough already.
Nice piece of kit!!!
I’m waiting to see the sia-3500 tested! I just picked one up but haven’t installed it yet
Yess it just poped when turned on
Can we get an amp dyno of the SIA 3500
Yes please
Agreed!!!
I smoked my SFB8000d. But it was my fault I accidentally crossed the pos and neg together. Got it fixed. Besides the dumb ass mistake I love this amp.
I was pushing four skar IX-8's with this amp at 1ohm, pushed them pretty good people thought I had a larger amp.
Can we please get some amp dynos on all the new sia series amps? We need accurate numbers to have in mind for near future builds
Damn str8 it's worth the bread.... Keep up the amazing genius you put into your subs, amps, etc, Jacob.
Damn!! That was insane!!
Funny thing is I had my sfb 1500 wired to 1ohm and it randomly went up in smoke with 0gauge ofc wire plus big 3 my voltage was above 13 when it went off like some firecracker. Bought a taramps smart 3 and almost a year later and its still kicking
@Killer32620 yes the Smart3 amps are lil beasts! I've had mine for a year and a half at 1 ohm and knock on wood I've had no issues. I replaced a skar RP2000.1D amp with my current Smart3, I must say my brazillian Taramps Smart3 is a million times better than the Chinese skar rp2k amp that I had. Btw I also have a Taramps md8000.1 amp and a Sundown sfb5000 amp. No complaints on any of them so far. Honestly I prefer Brazilian amps over Chinese amps but that's just from my personal experiences with both of the amps.
I do hate to hear of your bad experience with your sfb, I've heard lots of people say similar things. I'm wanting to get the new Smart5 amp, have hoped I could find someone willing to trade their Smart5 amp for my Sundown sfb5000 & me give them some boot but way things have looked lately I'll probably never get that lucky lol. Probably just have to sell my sfb5000 and put that money towards a Smart5. Would really like to go with the Smart5 BASS but from what I've seen so far they do not do as well (as far as rms output goes) at lower voltages like 12.6 - low 13s where the regular Smart5 puts out more than it's rated at 12.6 and Smart5 BASS puts its rated or over around the 14.4 range. I haven't got lithium yet so I'll probably drop into the 13s when playing my music hard but that's just guessing from how my Smart3 does in my daily beater. I already have a 350 h/o alt & big 3 along with all wiring being ofc.
@killer32620 wow my bad for long comment, didn't realize it was that long, my bad.
@@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 its all good sounds like you got a killer setup with that kinda power I had an rp 1500 that thing would run hot at 1ohm and shut off for some reason I like my smart 3 more tho except for the loud fans sometimes. As for lithium idk never tried that should be better. I just run a autozone batt under the hood and a xs power d3400 in the trunk. I've thought about lithium tho but idk dont you need a different charging system for that.
@@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 I've been running Brazilian for years and years. I love them. Ive had JL amps up in smoke right after warranty. I've had alpine amps take shits. I've had Memphis amps take shits right out of warranty and take my subs with them. Seriously I've never had issues with sound digital (all I ran for the last 4-5 years) and now I bought a Taramps 3k HD for shits and Giggles and a year later that thing is still fucking knocking. Hasn't shut off or gone into protect once! Impressive as hell for $220
@@MLProductions.1 I've had a Taramps HD3k 1ohm for almost 2yrs running a pair of old school Audiobahn Flame Q 10s in dual 4ohm wired down to 1ohm and love it. Never had an issue with the amp in the 2yrs I've had it, also never had an issue with the subs in the 20yrs I've had them. I've been considering getting the smart 3k or a MD3k in the 4ohm version for those subs. @Barevids on RUclips has some excellent videos on amps in general but he has a couple explaining why Taramps are better than many other Fullbridge amps. The biggest difference is in the protection circuits. Unlike many other amps a Taramps will send small burst of power to check and see if the amp is good before fully powering it.
Yall should do a playlist of do not try this at home just to see what certain amps or subs or speakers can do
One day, it just popped....I mean it was clipping and running at full tilt gains all up since i put it in, but it's the amp's fault. Plus it never sounded right...it must be defective...lol Really tho, that thing is a little beast!!!!!
I still want to see a dynamic .5 on the salt 12 because you only did certified on it.
It blew up rather than trip protect. The sia line better be more reliable than the sfb. I bought the 1750 as a backup amp to my b2 2500.1
"way higher than you should ever see in a car..." heh, have burned up a few regulators on alternators in my day. Granted they were on air seeder carts though..
Could you please do some low voltage 12-13 volt range on the SDX line?
SFB (sundown fire brick)
Pretty good amplifier tho
Dyno the sia 3500 . I’m using mine on a x12 V3 just curious what numbers it produces.
I’m not surprised. Most half bridge amps will run under 1ohm. Most will do .5ohm
What size fuse can i use to protect this amp?
@sundown audio unofficial. When are we getting a dyno of the sae 1000.1 v3
Protection circuit should of turned the amp off way before this...kinda proves the safety of the amp is right at the redline
The problem I have heard with these amplifiers are not two second dyno hits it's thirty minutes of full tilt listening to music at one ohm
I made the mistake a few years ago of asking how they run long term and was called stupid for doing so. Obviously the limited size means limited heat dissipation.
@@MoparStephen I know two people one had the sfb on a pair of 10s and the other had a four channel on mids and highs and both didn't last a month and they were installed correctly.
@BEATING NCP93 how long you been running them. Just curious, I have a sfb5000.
@Mopar Stephen Taramps are similarly limited in size like the sfb amps and Taramps do not have heat issues. I have a Smart3 & md8000.1, no heat issues period. My Taramps have never been hot, they get warm when playing an hour to hour and a half but never gotten hot, knock on wood. I don't want bad juju. I also have a sfb5000.
Btw I fully understand and agree with you asking the question of how an amp will run long term, that is very important. I've seen many amps able to run properly when ran hard for only around a 10 or 15 minute duration BUT then ask that same amp to run hard for 45 minutes or longer is just asking for problems as they'll get so hot they start to melt the jackets on the power wire & melt the plastic on power/ground/remote output terminals. Seen many cheap Chinese half bridge with this issue. Though I'm also aware that improper electrical power can cause these issues about faster than anything else. The Chinese RP Series Skar amps seem to very sensitive when not given right at or in excess of the current they truly need. For example run a Skar RP2000.1D on a slightly weak electrical system and that amp will fry eggs in 10 mins & live in protect mode. The RP amps, and for some reason the RP2K especially needs plenty of current. From what I've seen the RP3500 & RP4500 aren't near as bad about heat/protect like the RP2K is & seems the smaller RP1200 & RP1500 do not give the issues as much neither. My bad I started rambling.
@BEATING NCP93 I mean I don't have personal experience with this amp. I run Brazilian and have for years and they've been super reliable. But for 600 watts rms what electrical do you need? Lmao
Can this work on a single voice coil sub?
One test I didn't see is a reverse wiring of the power input that's a Surefire way to blow up any amplifier
What does full bridge mean and whats the difference to the lay person from a half bridge? Thanks
Since the power supply primary side is often the bottleneck, could you spec this with different FETs and have a kickass amp for 24v systems?
Solid😎👍
If it's not a full bridged than why is it modeled sfb 600d ( sundown full bridge)?
Hey got any test for you take a subwoofer and an amp push both of them to their Max's and see which one blows first
Thats funny I've been asking my self the exact opposite about 2 SFB-1000D's I was pushing a SA-Classic 10 for almost a year never a issue upgraded to a SA Classic 12 with a PSI recone and coil im hooking it up the day after it came fed ex straight from David and instantly my clip light came on and never shut off the mosfets on the outputs were blown. I had 13.8 volts at the amp 0 gauge ofc wiring from knukonceptz my ground was directly bolted to the chassis with no resistance got a 1 ohm reading at the speaker terminals took the sub out of the box checked ohm load at each voice coil they read 2.1 each took out the SFB installed a Fosgate prime 500 i had laying around and did a free air test everything was fine so i went and got my second sfb-1000 i had for another project hooked it up and immediately blew the outputs again. Now im far from perfect and make mistakes often and continue to support your amazing product but i still cant figure out what happened and im running the same set up today only with a taramps md3000
He seems to be pushing the narrative that the SFB line isn't randomly burning up like many people have stories about. But I haven't heard any stories of the SFB 600d burning up. Could it be because it isn't like the bigger brothers of the line? He plainly said that the 600d is not a full bridge amp. Anyway, Sundown has 99 percent good product but in my experience the SFB line is in the 1 percent bad.
@ditto I wondered the same exact thing, curious as why Derick chose to test the only sfb which is NOT Full Bridge... Granted I wasn't aware the 600 was not full bridge until he said it. This has got me thinking that Derick & Sundown both are aware of the many issues people have had from the sfb amps, so they chose to do some cleanup & try to restore peoples confidence in their sfb line by doing this video. I'll continue to think something is fishy up until I see them put out a video of one of the larger sfb amps that actually is a full bridge! Considering I have not seen, nor heard any negative stories regarding the sfb600, only stories I've heard of sfb amps popping, blowing, failing, etc has been from the sfb1500 & larger...
*ditto I will add that I am also an sfb owner, I have had a Sundown sfb5000 for around a year & a half. Which I would love to trade it for the Smart5. The Smart5 had not been released at the time when I bought my sfb amp. Had the Smart5 been out at time I purchased my sfb I 100% definitely would have bought the smart5 instead and I'm not just saying that because of the issues people are having but solely because of how much I LOVE my Taramps Smart3 amp! The Smart3 is a very good amp, imo its a tank, very tough.
@thomas hunter I hate to here that bro! Curious whether or not your sfb amps were still under warranty when they failed? Were you the original purchaser or did you buy them new/used from someone else? Were you able to get Sundown to fix or replace them under warranty? I know if be upset if one of my amps failed on me that quickly BUT two amps back to back failing on me immediately or almost immediately, never getting to truly use them would have me so angry at Sundown I don't think I could put into words how angry I would be in that situation. Only thing that would keep me from completely losing it, would be finding out Sundown Audio was willing to remedy the problem. I have a sfb5000 and just pray I never have a similar experience or premature failure from my amp. As I must admit that honestly I've been very fortunate when it comes to the amps I've owned since back when I was 16, so a good many years. First amp I ever owned, I bought when I was 16 and it was a big chrome Legacy amp, it would get hot but never tore up. Then had a mixture of Soundstream, Volfenhagen, Kicker, Pioneer, Rockford Fosgate & Alpine back when I was younger, teenage early 20s.
I have a psi platform 4 and it is beefed up to 3500rms psi doesn't have a good cooling system like sundown xv3 12s it heats up on any amplifier you put on it?
Nice frkn video..that's just nuts..I really thought they were far more delicate than they really are..nice to be wrong..
This is not a full bridge amp. This video seems to be smoke and mirrors. You are not wrong.
1. Should have kept mine...
2. Daughter's 5k is a tank so far
@Dustin Newell I have a sfb5000 still bnib, never been hooked up or used whatsoever. I'd be willing to sell it so long as I didn't lose out and take a beating. Thinking I could still come out on it & let it go for less than they are priced on websites for.
@@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 put the word out and it'll go quick. I love hers.
Love me some #Sundown
I have one of those and the amp shouts out after 10 minutes of using it any ideas?
Real test use at 11volts like 98% of end users giving demos
Who is running @11volts
Right? U are either running a battery that can't start your car or a shit aux battery bank which most likely means u have big 3 and alt. How would I ever run at 11v
@@h8h81 lmao easy... stock charging and stock battery. Lmao. Tons of 11V users out there
@@BericBuilds not anymore 🔥🔥🔥
@@BericBuilds I thought I was doing bad dropping to 13.4 at idle 😭
Bring out the salt8k again n torch it to a safe point
Wait why do you call it a sfb 600. Shouldn’t it be sfr 600. Then?
Well damn!
Can you make a zv6 torture test video soon?😁😁
I look at the situation like this? I have a sfb 5000 for almost 2 years now I been running it between. 8 and 1ohm it's not under warranty? If I want to blow it up or throw it in the river? It's my amplifier my choice I have 5 other amplifiers in my garage for backup? 😆
My sundown saev3 1500d protect light stays on and power stays on even when power is off on radio and will not play. Did I blow it?
Do the SIA 3500!!! Please and thank you
If it’s not a full bridge amp why is it branded as sundown sfb(sundown full bridge)?
Running your SFB 3000d on stock voltage is one way to blow it.
Trying to run one is. Your a nice guy Eugene...
@Eugene maybe I misunderstood your comment but isn't the sfb meant to be ran a "stock Voltage"?? Stock voltage is typically 14- 14.5 Volts on most vehicles. Every vehicle I've owned since a teenager had a "stock voltage" of 14 plus volts. I have a Crown Vic with 350 amp alt and it runs 14.4 - 14.6 volts.
@@itdoesntmatterwhatyourname6128 I'm pretty sure it's safe to say he meant stock electrical, like 1 batt stock alt type situation. For this amp you need 2 runs and 2 batts "at least" and an upgraded alt or it's going to eventually drain it under 11v and these "full range" amps stop making power... Korean boards will smack until they go under 9v then the factory smoke comes out the amp.
I didn't hear any poppin I don't think the amp died, I digress that is an absolutely brutal test. Try it with the actual fullbridge line, bet it blows before the 20v test
Can we get a salt 500.4 ?
BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE (take this one step crazier)........
O YEAH😁
Why is it still called sfb if its half bridge?
I'm confused, I thought the FB stood for full bridge. I have a sundown sv 10 classic on the way and this amp. The sub is a 2 ohm dvc. Will I not be able to reach the 1ohm load I am after by wiring parallel?
Yes SIR i run a p3 12" dvc2 sfb 600d @ 1ohm never a problem
You guys don't overrate amps, you just rate for rise and voltage drop lol😂
I dont understand the dewalt batteries? Its safer then the car batteries at 16v. Sure it says 20v but it doesnt have enough amprage to do anything. You could hook a 40volt battery to it if it was 5amp. It's just unnecessary is my point. Now if they were 30amp ea I could see this bing a ligament test. I did however like the 16v test as well as below 1ohm.
There's so much wrong here I'm not sure where to begin. The dewalt batteries are lithium so the ah doesn't translate the same as a lead acid car battery. 15ah of lithium is plenty for a 600w amplifier.
Full bridge class D?
Yep
It is not a full bridge amp. It is a class D.
@@ditto_75 it's a full bridge amplifier SFB literally stands for sundown full bridge
@@EvanField6380 It is not. He plainly says it is not in the video. Watch it again.
2 min and 55 seconds into the video. 2:55
Why is it Unofficial? Where is the Sundown "OFFICIAL" RUclips channel. 🤷
If you actually tested it correctly I would tell you my opinion . When you were using drill batteries for the high voltage test you could actually see your voltage drop down to 12 volts. If you're going to do something do it correctly
Sundown Full Bridge 600D is not full bridge???
So Since it's a full-range amplifier, would it work well being high-passed for use on tweeters? I ask because I really like the small footprint.
Yeah this video is very interesting but not realistic in live world applications please do a live world application test and see how it works as in playing music at the max for very long. Of time see which one Burns first speaker or amp pretty cool test I think
Why is this a "SFB" if it's not a full bridge amp? Why isn't it a full bridge? And since it isn't a full bridge, why can't it run under 1ohm with a reactive/subwoofer load?
So, he says this IS NOT a full bridge amp, it's a FULL RANGE amp, but, not only is it named SFB, SUNDOWN FULL BRIDGE, but, when he shows the inside of the amp, it looks seems to look identical to every small full bridge amp I've seen, and UNLIKE any NON full bridge I've seen. Maybe I'm wrong, but, I think everyone in these comments would like an official statement as to FULL OR HALF BRIDGE, I'm really not convinced that he didn't misspeak because the look of the guts, and the name BOTH SAY FULL BRIDGE I feel like...sooooo???
It's a FULL RANGE FULL BRIDGE just like the taramps MD or HD series, NOT comparing quality, just using the taramps as something to compare it to that most people will know. I'm not sure why he said that, mistake, or design change in the works or something else idk, but SFB are full bridge, whether they're full range or not has no bearing on the amplifier type just on the frequencies it produces
I had the sfb 5000 and it only lasted 30 seconds..went threw two of them..they warranty the first one and when I sent in the second one after it done the same thing ..they wanted me to pay for another one ..they both blew up soon as I turned the volume up just a quarter so I told them to keep it and the 583 $ I spent on it ..I'll never buy another one of those amps ..they are trash
A little bummed, got my salt 3 and xv3 15 in the mail today and NO STICKERS what the heck man lol
Thinking of swapping my DB 3015's for a pair of X 15v3's. Would a 9.0 ft³ with around 100 in² of port tuned at 30hz have some good output and low end extension or will they want a bigger box?
Sounds good to me
9 cubes, at 30 hz. You could use more port area and keep it at 30 hz, I’d shoot for 115+ at 30 hz and 9 cubes net. The xv3 subs are pretty sweet subs. You should have a pretty nice bandwidth, like 24-50 hz ish in a regular no wall ported box.
You’re gonna want around 120sqin of port
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Dam!!!!
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And never get them wet
Dyno #'s mean nothing, unless a person is playing only test tones.. After rise, you'd be lucky to get 200 watts out of this on music. Lol
JL and Rockford amps, even taramps now have constant power across ohm loads, which would be a better option, and the 3 listed last longer than these fire bricks. Lol
Bring back the old school SAE or SCV line, them amps were actually solid and built like tanks.
"If someone blows this amp up, what did you do?"
Well, with the growing number of sfb failures, I'd say it's less on what the user did and more of the "why did you cheap out on components."
Would have liked to see you wire a subwoofer up at .5ohm to .8ohm and hammer on it and see how long it would deal with it
Resistive is much harder on the amp then that would be, wired to .5 with rise it would be around 1 to 4ohm on music and it would run like that for months and never die.
Amp not aunt LOL
I bet you could blow up that SFB-600D amplifier pretty easy, run it at 8.5 volts @ 0.5-ohm.
great. but sundown salt amp come into protection mode at 15.7v 🤣🤣 sfb line also can handle higher voltage than the salt series 💁
Couldn’t be because the salt series are designed for low voltage. Just that stupid eh?
Dumb AF 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Who in the real world is gonna run a cheap garbage amp at 16 volts????
EVERYONE RUNNING LITHIUM THESE DAYS!
@@RUclipssucks.. Lithium doesn't need 16 volts unless you run 14 volt batteries and anybody with 14 volt lithium is not gonna have a cheap ass 600 watt amp.
The problem happens when you turn it on not while your playing just dont do below 1 ohm. I had two 1ohm loads one on each channel and boom
What would the wattage output be with 2ohm loads on each channel? Would it be 300w each or 150w each?
Amp dynos are a joke 🤣 😂 🙄