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Personally the fact that the product is a rebrand is not really an issue. The issue for me is that the way she announced the product was that she said she spent 2 years with this company developing the product (packaging and formula etc). If she only said I am launching a new brand and none of the we made it from scratch for two years it would not have even blown up. And then she added in a response saying that type of stuff is a bit rude and it is self inflicted because she lied about how the product was made. It is pretty much exactly like the Cuties Netflix description and advertisement of the movie versus. what the movie is. It is a 1 to 1 in terms of that.
Eh I mean as entertaining as dudes like him or LowTierGod are, they're pretty valueless besides being clowns to laugh at, and I'd have some concern over wtf drives people to be their audience member after being shat on again and again.
@@blankazure217 Yeah that's fair enough, I probably shouldn't put them in the same category cause T1 has got more going on then LTG just having shitting on his fans be his identity.
The branding issue wasn't that it was an identical product, but the fact that she gave the impression that she spent 2 years building the recipe from scratch.
Tbh, it always seems to take a very long time to make any product and find a good supplier. Even for the simpelest things i see people take 2 or 3 year so by now i this seems to be the standard?
Not just that she lied about spending two years developing it, but also that she's marked it up by more than double. The existing product was 14oz for $9.99. Hers is 4 x 4oz bags (16oz) for $28.
@@toddmacadam3888 She's always been pretty cringe, but I still don't get the getting mad about it part, just say thanks no thanks and buy the original product at the much better price point, because in market copetition it is clearlythe best choice, I'd even satirically thank Pokimane for introducing me to the og product :D And for those who are ready to pay tripple just for a slapped on name, let them be economically irresponsible, not my money...
Half the people who complained about her cookies aren't healthy, and don't watch her streams 😂 "your wealth was built on their backs" tell Jesus to calm down and go play some video games, he's bugging out fr
Nah man u are not real, do you really think Poki wealth is due to her being pretty or the fact that she has 9M twitch followers and 6M youtube subs, not even mention the people who are subs on her twitch do you know how much she asked for a tier 3 sub? Every brand look at numbers they don't care about who they care about reach and influence, the facts his her followers allowed her to be in position to be millionaire at 25 and all she gives in response is play games and watch other people content.
I think the fans are annoyed because someone with MILLIONS of dollars can't give back a quality product to their fans- all to make MORE money...why does she need more money...? its pathetic.
She's gets away with it because at the end of the day all her fans are massive simps. She could call them pretty much anything and they'd justify in their minds somehow.
@@Lokhir100 i think her fans are also largely female. the type of bimbos that buy nonsense associated with nobodies. like the loser boys who buy prime XD
Pokimane has a long history of acting like a victim and throwing cheap insults everytime somebody dares to call her out/disagree with her and honestly not surprised, every now and then she let's her facade slip. She just let it slip little more than usual this time. Girl's been like this from day 1.
@@harsh3948agreed there alway going be simp like I remember a guy sold his house to send her money like these guys are dumbass and she didn't even care she don't care about her fans
not only that, but for a lefty, to get the similar amount of cookies, you have to create four times the plastic for landfills. It's not only overpriced and exploitative, it's worse for the environment. This is the most capitalistic cash grab I've ever seen. I'd be proud if it wasn't for the blatant hypocrisy.
What is not good math for us is that when we buy more of the product it is usually expected the unit price per product to decrease a bit, which is why wholesalers do well but for her cookies you stay at the constant price of 7 dollars a bag no matter if it is four, eight or twelve bags.
I'm surprised people are surprised she's an egomaniac. She said before people should he able to be sued for what they say online. She's a protected privileged pretty face that has been handed a pedestal of power
The workers over at Twitter have been known to not ban there own streamers who make most of the money for switch or pretend they don’t see any rule breaking.
Tyler is known for this big asshole persona on his streams, big, loud, and abrasive. Possibly less known, in person he’s seen and known as one of the most humble and kind people they’ve met. Tyler is a great dude, and wildly hilarious.
Yeah he treats people like shit and that was the only reason people watched him in first place. No harm done , but poki always have put the innocent persona which was proven fake like 3 years ago shutting channels down abuse of power and so much more. PEOPLE DON'T LIKE FAKE PEOPLE FACTS , and thus this situation unpacked itself she deserves every little bit of it.
It sucks because all her streamer friends are making it about the cookies and telling their audiences that everyone who's mad at her is very petty and they simply don't have to buy the cookies if they don't want to
I honestly forgot pokimane even existed if it weren't for so many people mentioning this woman. She's the type of person you know will never change because she's never held responsible for crap like this.
I mean it’s really not that deep bruh she didn’t even say anything all that wild. Like disrespectful for sure but it was mad quick if people tripping that much cuz she mostly jokingly said “if you broke just say that” then people really don’t got priorities straight. Only reason it’s an issue is cuz she usually the type to avoid saying anything that could be divisive or offensive at all so people are taking something small and making it big so they could talk about her. Idrc about her but it’s really not that deep
People that are terminally online think the whole world knows an internet personality. She gets a couple hundred thousand views per stream. There are nearly 8 billion people. The vast majority of people on earth have never heard of her. In the grand scheme of things she's irrelevant.
@@j.r.3945nahhh it’s definitely an issue. Shaming people for not being able to afford your product is wild. Especially if your career is carried by these very people. I believe no too long ago there was a country singer that lowered his prices for his concerts because fans were saying it’s expensive. Why not just do that or have some sort of conversation about the pricing instead of shaming?
Tyler1 is so naturally funny, he's a great entertainer. I went to Twitch Con a few years ago and he was still hanging out late on the last day at his merch booth when everyone else was packing up. He was taking pics with people who bought stuff, nice as hell guy in real life.
The main reason Poki's getting hate is because she's usually busy virtue signaling about how great she is, look at the XQC gambling drama. Also it's not even about the product for the majority of people, its the dishonesty doubled down with disrespect. The person who asked the question could've been trying to incite conflict, but the question itself is actually a very reasonable one. Why are they so expensive? Yet her reacting in such a way is not acceptable, because now she's put the brand and those associated with it, people who've actually worked hard to create the product, at risk.
This. You just have to be honest, an example. "i get it, $7 for a bag of cookies is a lot. If this is too much for you, i apologise. To make these, ive spent so much money that at THIS price, I'm breaking even."
It sucks because all of us who agreed with the video called what would happen after poki found out. She would give out a PR. Apology. Sorry for how but not what she said. And all her streamer friends coming to her aid to downplay and brush off every criticism of her as sexist incels that hate her for no reason. I've been a twitch viewer since 2017 and I've never seen any streamer hold poki accountable for the high horse condescending attitude that she carries towards everyone around her that isn't on her side. Condescending and virtue signaling are not good character traits to have. Yet none of her friends have called her out and tried to help her fix that. She is Regina George, and the side of chat that has seen her true colors are ostracized
I also think the saying she spent 2 years working on it when all evidence points to her being a face for a brand that couldn’t sell, as said in the video also irritated people because she’s claiming to have put in more work than she clearly did
So it's really is butthurt little boys and gals bitching about the cookie prices 🤣 cause I couldn't give af about this whole situation. We let Xqc and all the gamba streamers remain platformed. Let poki make it too gang
Though it's a common thing to slap a brand on something already existing and add a price to it, I think Pokimane took it way to far. I've seen the comparison of cookies and she didn't only make the prize higher, she also made the size smaller. If you compare the price per ounce, her is 250% more expensive. Original - 10$ for 14 ounces, Pokimane - 28$ per 16 ounces (1 bag is 4 ounces) .That was probably the initial wave of hate her brand took. And then she doubled down calling everyone broke. It's like making a scam company and then shaming people for catching you.
Mr Beast created his own unique recipe for his chocolate bars… his “healthy” chocolate bars are only 63% more expensive than Hersheys. Yeah She’s fleecing her fans.
Yeah, she did a typical advertiser move. Said $7 per bag. Wait, that's not real expensive when you think about it. But if it is 4 ounces...That is expensive. But I don't care because I wouldn't eat gluten free crap anyway. Well, if I had a choice. Some food is by nature gluten free :)
All her big streamer friends were always trying to protect her as with their audiences. But it is nice to see that more viewers every year are staying behind the pr mask. It's why there were 30 to 40k likes in the video comments that call out pr high horse persona
It's amazing what a BBL, fake breast, and lip injections will do to a womans mind😂 i guess she forgets that she got popping off of randomly bending over for teenage boys. She's SSSniperwolf 2.0. It's sad that girls who actually are gamers don't get any push smh. Booty and boobie streamers get all the attention😂
I watch him but damn was he completely brain dead and moronic during that whole thing Awful decision after awful decision that anyone who wasn't blinded by hubris, ignorance and/or arrogance would have seen and corrected
@@CDRClarisse is that supposed to be sarcasm 😂? From my knowledge he's doing way better than he was last year. Just based off the way he talks ab it in his videos. What even is your point?
7$ for 4 oz of cookie. You can get 23 oz of cookie for 7$. She said she spent over 2 years developing the cookie that has same ingredients and looks the exact same as a costco brand. It's just 300% more $ for half the product.
This whole thing was a massive L for her. Calling people broke that literally made her rich is fucked. Especially with her typical virtue signaling messaging.
Why do people pay attention to influencers? Like why? They are legit the least important people on the planet.. they guy serving you coffee at McDonald's plays a more important role in society... Most influencers are narcissistic and play people for views and money.
The backlash she is facing is due to her seemingly out-of-touch response to very valid criticism to the pricing of her brand's cookies. Myna's cookies are sold for $28, in 4 bundles of 4oz bags. The Toatzy's version was being sold in one single 14oz bag for $10. So Myna's cookies are being sold at $1.75/oz, while Toatzy's are sold at $0.71/oz. This means her cookies cost nearly 150% (2.5x) more for a very similar product made by the same company. To have a broader idea on prices and not to make a comparison as the products are different, a party-sized pack of Oreos are sold on Amazon at $0.22/oz. Instead of properly addressing peoples' criticisms, she simply wrote off that you are an "idiot" if you cannot understand simple math that although her product costs $28, it comes in 4 so each bag is only $7, which apparently is supposed to make it sound fair (which is false when you compare the price per ounce). Then she doubles down on her insult by saying "if you're a broke boy just say so." It's extremely tone-deaf to just label people who don't want to buy her overpriced cookies simply as they are too poor and can't afford them.
I'm not sure comparing these cookies to oreos is quite fair. NOt saying theyre better, never tried them myself, but any product that markets itself as healthy, full of beneficial propertiess, usualy has an inflated price tag because of it. Sometimes its as dumb as adding "bio" on the packaging, but there plenty of people in the market for that shit. So idk what kind of changes she made to the cookies, but even if its revealed she didnt change anything at all and just repackaged an old brand... ITs kind of nonsesical but its fair, her name is the brand and people love to pay for brands. Hell i'v seen some obscure shoe brand with some of the best quality shoes i'v ever wore, yet some basic old model addidas would be more expensive. I personaly find it stupid, but as they say, if theres a demand, theres a market.
A lot of these streamers have huge egos and when they make money from there own viewers they like to crap on them. Pokimane is a trash human being in general she’s been in more situations like this. Shame on these simps who accept these behavior.
Aba and Preach. I think the initial problem with the cookies was the fact when Poki announced it, she made it seem like it was a brand new product in total. Explaining how it took 2 years of work, and I'm so excited that they are finally released and can't wait for you to try them etc etc.. If she came out from the jump and said hey, I'm trying something new and we used a flavour profile from the companies old stockpile of callback cookies. We changed up the formula a bit etc etc, pretty sure most people wouldn't have had a problem with it. They literally had to criticize and call her out that her cookies look oddly similar to another, for her to then later come out and confirm they did use the flavour profile of another cookie as their base and carried on from there. It's the fact she announced it like it was an original idea when it truly wasn't. I think that's what the initial problem was.
@grandpacereal1549 That's the point. You're suppose to market it in the spirit of the business. You're not suppose to say "hey I slapped my name on this, gimme your money" NO company does that nor would you expect them to
Apparently she just apologized 😂. Probably her business partner got on her ass because if you look into the company Poki is just the face of the brand. But the business partner did all the work. Imagine being in business with someone who insults the customer's intelligence and calls them broke😂😂😂
She'll just claim the criticism to her hypocrisy is misogyny, play victim, then read from a prescripted statement. She's never worked a day in her life, she's gotten everything handed to her, she knows how to manipulate people and her audience.
Literally go look at the comment section. More than 90% of the disparaging comments are from accounts with male names on em 😭😭 this shii is quite overblown.
@@augustineacevedo37the instant dismissal of male opinions on controversies and conflicts on the internet and in society in general is misandrist. Dismissing people based on sex is sexist. How do you not understand that you're doing exactly that?
@augustineacevedo37 And? Most of her fanbasw is men so....they're gonna be upset the most. She didn't say "broke girls" she said "broke boys". Find some dignity dude
This channel aswell as a few others have been my sanity...i have been humbled and empowerd listening to these guys in particular. I havent always agreed with wut they say, but u can not deny their consistency...Thanks for being one of the few content creators of this that actually provide value from knowing your perspective and alowwing us to see that of others...
I think the problem is the fact that she promoted this product as a labor of love, that it took her two years to make it and how she can finally talk about it now. And how she made this because there's no taste good and healthy options. Then the people find out that it's a rebrand. It's the hypocrisy that she did. The issue is that she often champions what's right, she went off on this creator bad bunny for a similar take. She fostered that community and now it's coming back at her. Little like H3 he fostering this woke community and now he's all Pikachu face when they are going after him for his Israel Palatine takes.
Poki's cookie company also blatantly tried to mislead her audience by comparing her cookies to other stuff based on serving size... completly neglecting to point out that their serving size is smaller than other major cookie brands...
Honestly the only reason people dogged on her for the whole rebranding thing is because she marketed it as some revolutionary cookie she’s been working on for 2 years, that’s gonna out do pre-existing cookies and be super healthy, when it’s just generic cookies with a dash of vit D. I get that influencers do this, but it’s still shitty marketing and they should get called out for it when they do it. Like Logan Paul and his glorified sugar water. If she hadn’t glazed the everliving crap out of the cookies and just said, “Hey guys, I’m selling my own cookies can y’all support me”, the reception would have been a bit different. 🤷🏾♂️
I think most people know it is full of shit and none of them make their products. I think they went after her for her insults to the people who might buy her product. It's the Disney syndrome...Make a product, insult the customers and then complain when no one buys their product.
I love watching you both and pains me to see another forgetting how rich they got and how quick they can be poor. Stay humble and don't forget yourself.
She had no reason to say that. The funny thing is thousands of people are doing this on tic tok when selling products, like all their “self made products” are just from Ali-express💀 but that’s what gives me reasons to not buy at all, it’s the fake aspect
Eh maybe the packaging if from cheap places like that but I am sure the product is handmade if they're claim that it is. I have a small business and I cannot afford to use expensive containers for my handmade goods.
@@Butterflyyyxoxo nah man, from the packaging stand point that’s normal. No one wants to make the packaging everybody would just buy that from a store or order it. These products are stuff that people label as “handmade Stanley cup” but we know their fake, it’s the fact these people want to say they built the product from the ground up🙃 Even GMM did a fun video showing tic tok products and the actual place to buy them but at the same time this is besides tic tok cause I know other places do it to. It just labeling it “self made” or in poki case too said she’s been working on a new product for 2 years is fake you know?
HaloTaco nail polish and SourBoys candy are two examples of influencer brands that are proprietary and not just drop shipped or private labeled. Legit influencer businesses can exist. Sad that it's so rare and that so many try to deceive their audiences and pretend their products were proprietary when they weren't. That's the part that bothers me. That and her arrogantly insulting her audience for not buying it and calling her shit out.
It's ironic she says "It's the beauty of it, you can spend your money on whatever you want,". Least she's honest because she gonna find out how it applies to her when people stop donating and supporting her anymore.😂
It's that mindset of "Your money, Your choice" I have a personal gripe with. Since I grew up with the saying "money = power" and with power comes...y'know. And it's save to say we all disslike people with power, abusing it. This goes for the consumer too, and we consumers really need to take a good look in the mirror, because we are responsible (due to the lack of responsibility for our actions) for 90% of the shit that continues to exist... So we can't really complain till most of us change our mindset of what money really is, how we use it and who we allow it to go too. Imo.
@@azfam520they will never stop supporting her. I know u incels wished that for every woman streamer but your gender keeps women like Pokimane in business😘
As someone who's in the fitness/health supplement industry : very little brands are original and pushing the boundaries/innovating/improving. Most are second hand - alt labelling and borrow other's recipes.
One thing I learned back in 2008 in a high school class from a amazing teacher. My classmates would roast low income classmates of mine for having off brand food. My teacher broke down all the ingredients and show how a lot of popular brand food have the same ish as low brand food 😂 It was crazy to me and I learned it’s ok to have cheaper food products. You save wayyyy more money with store brand items than some big name company. If you got the money for big name food items be my guest but I rather save my money especially if it’s the same thing and same ingredients 😂 🙃. It’s your money at the end of the day use it as you please 🤷🏽♂️. Frosted Flakes is 5$ USD while Great value Frosted flakes is only 2$ USD 🤷🏽♂️ same thing but for a cheaper price 😂
Big companies also repackage and sell for cheaper. Sometimes the same product sometimes the 'faulty' one(Faulty = nothing wrong with them just usually from beginning/end of productions so the products doesn't have proper shapes or proper ratio of ingredients, etc.) . Brands sell and they know it, but they also know not everyone can buy it hence selling it cheaper in a bit different form. If you buy cheap product that tastes the same like some more expensive one, there's possibility you're eating the same product. It's not food only either. Perfumes and clothes as well...
It varies. Some products the generic vs branded have noticeable differences. However often you can't really tell the difference and on some rare cases the generic version is actually better. I would recommend trying generic first and see if you can even tell the difference.
Giving Tyler that shoutout was great, would love to see you guys reacting to his story video on the eSports channel. It’s actually crazy, hilarious and wholesome. Since he had a rise, a fall and a comeback that made him one of the most beloved streamers. Although I know that isn’t your usual work, so I’m not holding out on it but keep up the great work as usual
2:00 the whole point is that she claimed it is a brand new "creation", and that there is a LACK of products like it, while this is the exact same product that you can still find in Costco. It isn't about a product using her as a marketing celeb. The issue has never been about the cookie, or the advertising, it was about her character. A person who claims stuff like "I am already rich, I don't need anymore money" followed by her reduction of donation amount limit rather than donation frequency limit (now ppl cant donate $100 to her, they donate $2.5 40 times so there are more pop ups of donations showing) and claiming it is to reduce people's donation amounts, and now claiming this new product is a brand new "creation" they have worked TWO YEARS on, just highlights her hypocrisy, and how stupid she thinks everyone is. You are right when you say that if this was someone else it would probably not be as much of an issue, because Poki is a repeat offender, and this is just another justification that shows how foul her character is. Does anyone really care the cookies are 3x the price? I doubt it, it's just the principle, and it needs to be highlighted for the mega poki simps who would buy her used toilet water so maybe hopefully they will wake up one day and realize they are being played at every possible chance Poki gets
@@HH-le1vi yea could be the case, i mpretty surei saw Itsagundum just bought 2 bags for his video about this, dunno costco policies about discontinued products. Either way tho, she did still claim it to be a "new" product. Personally I don't mind if the company just came out and used her as a marketing tool and upped their prices, but the way she labeled this "new creation" just rubs me the wrong way, let alone her attitude has always felt, well, like how it feels now to many others.
I'm so glad real Pokimane is coming out. This is a reminder that you shouldn't judge a streamer from who they used to be. Judge them from who they are once they get all that money that they feel invincible.
@@Thunterise People who put so little effort into what they do yet get compensated that much for it is what most people hate. She makes millions reacting to other people's content and playing video games. Everybody is glad when these multi millionaires who never worked a day in their life get some flack.
Rebranding is a very common thing. As a person that works in the manufacturing mass-producing certain products that I won't disclose. I can accurately say that a lot of things that people consume are simply rebranded as other things. As we process them and get them ready for shipping the "customers" request that their products be packaged and labeled in certain ways that make them visibly discernible from their competitions products. After years I've come to realize that the difference between a lot of things that we readily buy and consume are packaging and three drops of blue dye #5.
Glad to know Aba is a Tyler1 fan, had me dying, needed to watch that clip twice. Tyler1 is always funny af with no filter. Also, love you guys videos. keep up the good work.
Thought Asmongold had the best take. She approached a "product issue" by treating actual customers (for a physical product in a competitive market) like her streaming customers (who are essentially simps for the purpose of this convo). Hopefully it's a learning moment for her but something tells me she'll continue to take the easy route (because she has always succeeded doing things the easy way)
Pokimane once visited a local restaurant in Tangier and when the owner saw a tripod and her attitude she denied her service, she tried recording stuff on her phone. Well the phone is still in Tangier lmao.
7 dollars a bag for 4oz is crazy, the brand its based from is 10 dollars for 14oz. Healthy foods are always expensive but the amount your getting for the price is not ok; it started as a normal conversation, then people get called broke the way it excelled was insane
Funniest thing about the poki cookies is how every female streamer came to her defense and throwing out the sexist card completely missing the point. She insulted the people who made her who she is today plus potential consumers “If you’re a broke boy” Same person that judged other individuals for getting their bag calling it cringe saying that she had morals. She is selling an overpriced repackaged product and is lying about it, of course people are going to call you out.
Well yeah, they purposely missed the point because they know they can't actually defend her. When women go straight to calling men sexist it's usually because the criticism is warranted, if it wasn't then they would defend themselves against the criticism and not try and smear the person criticizing.
ItsAGundam pointed out that the cookies Poki sells is a smaller serving size by over half a bag. A box of the original cookies that cost less have 7 servings a bag, as her more expensive bags have like 3 servings iirc.
Some ppl were upset because she had commented on another streamer who had called their fans broke for not subbing for $5 and she said it was messed up but now she's doing the same thing
Yea but that girl was also telling them to sub and treating to cancel her stream etc. poki just made a lite comment about someone in chat and then said spend ya bread on what you want. Like aba said this shit was nothing. But yall don’t like poki so a lot of it is just overreactions.
It’s still mind blowing how someone who’s entire career is made up of donations, would make a product for those donators, then call them idiots and broke. It makes me think she did it on purpose, I didn’t even know she was releasing this crap, but she got huge marketing for it now.
the main issue is that she wants you to pay an extra $18 for 2 ounces from the original brand. it's also false advertising because she claiming it's healthy but its only have like 3micrograms which is like 0.000000003% of a gram. it's not healthy, it's not new, and it's only 2 ounces more than what it originally had. she's selling it for $1.75 per ounce while the original was $0.71 per ounce.
For anyone curious: You can have an idea of the quantity of each ingredient by the order they're listed. First on the list means more quantity while the last one has less. If both lists have the same ingredients in the same order that means it's the exact same product.
@@daveblackman816 Bro I am just looking at ur PIC but SURE BRO..... we all have lives dipshit.... Someone is trying to downplay theirs...... Same dude that keeps up with MEME culture has no idea who T1 and Pokimane are YEP SUUUUUUUUURRRRRRREEEEEEEEEE try that shit somewhere else bruh XDXDXDXDXD
Always be cautious and mindful of who y'all support nowadays. Do your research as much as you can. Thank you Aba and Preach for consistently being genuine and authentic on this channel.
I think they're living in lala land, they have this notion of invincibility. There are alot of very dangerous on the internet. Shit talking people just because you're rich is like playing with fire. You have alot to lose, the assailant doesn't.
Some of the people that support people like her have to take this L because they are the reason people like her are famous same thing with like only fans models they wouldn’t be paid or known if people didn’t just give them money
This is the age of pointless fame and pointless wealth. All the streamers are pointless, useless and talentless idiots. You get the heroes you deserve.
For supplements, I was looking into getting milk thistle for liver support and my chiropractor was kind enough to let me know that there are only 2 factories where the supplements are produced & distributed in the entire world, despite there being a bunch of different brands. They are all the exact same, go buy the cheapest one.
That also goes for your glasses as well... and your chiropractor isnt a medical professional, so take what you hear from them like youd take medical advice from a youtube comment like this one,has the same value...
She fed the trolls and by doing so she insulted her entire fanbase and what's really shocking is that people didn't know she was like this. This is who she's always been, she exposed herself. It's time for people to wake up, these celebrities and influencers you give money to don't give a shit about you. Some really care, others don't and think about all the people in her community right now that are regretting sending her all that money.
The issue is that most people view streaming as a lazy completely effort-free "job" that people lucked into (which is pretty much the case, with a few notable exceptions), while many streamers somehow do enough mental gymnastics to convince themselves that they work as hard as minimum wage coal miners, and then they can't fathom how people dare complain about their life of luxury.
You and I both know she is immune to that. If she got canceled off all of her social media, she would just start an only fans and get another few million.
You can't actually cancel people it doesn't really work, and you can't really get mad at her for lashing out when she was getting tons and tons of shit. I mean a lot of fans feel like you have an obligation to them or that they own you in a way, same thing with people talking to the police and saying we pay our taxes so we're your boss or we own you in a way
She's the female twitch streamer. She has about as much of a chance of getting canceled as XQC. Both are shit human beings, but won't suffer actual consequences.
I'm just surprised others are surprised, Pokimane has always been trash. She just gets away from it because just like SSSniperWolf, she has powerful people in her corner that constantly give her a pass.
To be honest I think the most cringe part of it all is how her orbiters jump right to "because she's a woman", and no one stands up and says ,"no, it's about what she did". Pretending to be the whole R&D sector of this little company just starting out. 2 years in The making...oh wait...3 years.
Okay be realistic, a large majority of the comments being disparaging are literally by men 😭 this is literally the first time I can clearly see most of the hate is due to misogyny. And isn't actually based in reality.
It is. Literally the first clip in this video is saying what Poki said in a much harsher way. XQC says the same shit too. When was the last time you saw either of them getting shitting on as hard as Pokimane currently is.
I was watching gundam cover this the other day, and he made an absolutely amazing point. "If it's a joke, then why would she go on to justify it within the same clip?" I don't understand how people can simp so hard for when she's so obviously two-faced.
Thing is, people forget words and tone, have meaning sometimes, and this happends more and more everyday. If she had said "fair enough if you dont have the money dont buy it" nobody would bat an eye, but she said something SO MUCH WORSE.
@@themadnessofmadara4883 She essentially pulled the Internet extremist card on him and got gaming and news media to label him as white supremacist racist that also hates women. Which is hilarious is you've ever watched him
I wouldn't call it an "issue" but it does matter. It matters because Pokimane built her career off of being laidback and chill, engaging and kind, and overall a decent person that cares about her fans. This incident shows the mask slipping off and how she really views her fanbase. It shows that the criticism of her being "fake" has some degree of validity to it. At the very least, she may not have been that way before, but she is that way now. It matters because at the end of the day, it's a reminder that any para-social relationship involving a content creator isn't with that person... it's with a facade they crafted. You don't know them. They could view you as next to nothing while you're idolizing them, and unless they fucked up (like she did), you wouldn't know a damn thing. Don't fall into that pit.
@@Mini_Console(1 day late for me 😅) Ngl you probably should read it because it might increase your brain cells hoping you still have some left if you think the original OP is just yapping. Everything I read up there was straight facts and if you didn’t read it why tf did you even comment. I will either have to assume your dumb or a troll and I hope it is the latter for your sake.
2:47 tequila is the biggest offender of this. There’s a handful of tequilarias who just make a bunch of tequila for multiple celebrity brands. The same building makes tequila for The Rock and one of the Kardashians.
People in Pokimane’s position are completely out of touch with reality. Like I could buy out half a of the cookie isle in my local dollar store for less than it costs to buy 10 packs of these Boujee cookies 😂.
Let’s be real here for a moment. The moment Pokimane sealed her fate was when she started going after the livelihood of people who criticized her, regardless of how justified that criticizm was. That was when the Pokimane hate got out of control, and i don’t think it can be reversed. Everything she does, people watch it with a damn microscope and if its even a little bit questionable, they will attack her for it. And it also doesn’t help that she tends to do questionable things on a regular basis.
That what I’m on cause she did nothing in this situation at all in my opinion. The price is even decently priced for the product. She just has so much hate that people are going to harp on her for bs. She brought this on herself tho as you explained. Even when she’s done nothing she’s in the wrong for a lot of people and we can see it got her this time.
@@procreation100 Nah, she actively goes after other people trying to cancel them for morals while she has no morals herself. She's a terrible person on all counts.
@@deeky1239 which I why I said she getting this over exaggerated hate now because of her actions in the past. People don’t like her so they’ll have a problem with pretty much anything even when she done nothing wrong. And if she’s your barometer in terrible people I suggest getting off the internet and actually meeting people cause let me tell ya, her shit is lite work.
I think what is getting a lotta people talking about the price isn't the product but the amount, each bag is 4 oz while the product it was inspired off of is 14 oz and only $3 extra ($10 per bag). Moist critical went over it as well, either way keep up the great work Kings!!👑👑
I think the issue is that she straight up lied. She says there's no healthy affordable snacks then proceeds to take an existing healthy affordable snack and make it less affordable and just added mushroom powder and a massive advertising campaign budget. That is the price hike.
People are mad because she lied. She said it took 2 years in the making as if she made and concocted it on her own with her team. Said that she was shocked healthy cookies did not exist so she made one; which was her just slapping a rebrand on an already existing product. Then she over priced the item because it was supposed to be healthier than what is currently out. Then she flat out called her own audience broke for not being able to afford it. Not realizing everyone is in a recession and that much for some cookies for a smaller bag was crazy. She was completely out of touch with her audience and then she tried to insult them further by saying they were too dumb to understand math when people were comparing proce to quantity to the original brand. Those are the reasons her fan base was pissed at her. Being she got to where she was because of their donations because they thought she was this sweet person. For her to trash talk them and make them feel less of a person for not being of a certain tax bracket is kind of wild. How do you trash the people that made you for a genuine concern. Thats why people liked Henry Henry Cavill. Being he knew the fans were not just complaining but passionate when addressing their concerns. Last thing you do is Brie Lawson the people you are supposed to be appealing to.
15:38 I feel like this point needs to be said more often. I have a lot of respect to creators who stand their ground when they are reactionary. It's normal behaviour and everyone does it, I hate it when people act like they are above everyone else because they didn't get mad and instead become ethically and morally condescending/patronizing.
This whole story to us is a big non-issue but maybe yall feel different! Let us know below!
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Pokemon would be so much better off if she didn't fake her personality. She might actually be likable if she didn't try to hide how unhinged she is.
When you guys gonna have Black Friday cookies tho? I need more inane things to be upset about to fill the empty void of my life.
She's clearly an insane individual
Its not a big deal. Its just another example of how shitty she can be yet desperate men still choose to simp.
Personally the fact that the product is a rebrand is not really an issue. The issue for me is that the way she announced the product was that she said she spent 2 years with this company developing the product (packaging and formula etc). If she only said I am launching a new brand and none of the we made it from scratch for two years it would not have even blown up. And then she added in a response saying that type of stuff is a bit rude and it is self inflicted because she lied about how the product was made. It is pretty much exactly like the Cuties Netflix description and advertisement of the movie versus. what the movie is. It is a 1 to 1 in terms of that.
Aba... Preach... c'mon guys. I used to love this channel but now all you guys do is tell the truth all the time. This is an outrage!! A sickness!!
This is a sicknessssss
Mental health
But I enjoy ieeettt....
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MF I'M ILL 🤢😂🤣
Tyler1 is quite literally built different. This man takes no shit, chatters are belittled and dehumanized on a regular basis
Dude hilarious especially years ago when I first found him out on League of Legends. Man is savage. 😂
Eh I mean as entertaining as dudes like him or LowTierGod are, they're pretty valueless besides being clowns to laugh at, and I'd have some concern over wtf drives people to be their audience member after being shat on again and again.
@@calumbarry1829 I will never understand that
@@blankazure217 Yeah that's fair enough, I probably shouldn't put them in the same category cause T1 has got more going on then LTG just having shitting on his fans be his identity.
He's autistic
The branding issue wasn't that it was an identical product, but the fact that she gave the impression that she spent 2 years building the recipe from scratch.
Yeah they didn't address that part, probably ignorant to it. A whole big deal about it was it took TWO YEARS to "create" this... TWO YEARS!
Tbh, it always seems to take a very long time to make any product and find a good supplier. Even for the simpelest things i see people take 2 or 3 year so by now i this seems to be the standard?
@@xristinarose2409Right, but she just slapped her name on an existing product. Claiming she spent two years developing the product is a flat out lie.
Not just that she lied about spending two years developing it, but also that she's marked it up by more than double. The existing product was 14oz for $9.99. Hers is 4 x 4oz bags (16oz) for $28.
@@toddmacadam3888 She's always been pretty cringe, but I still don't get the getting mad about it part, just say thanks no thanks and buy the original product at the much better price point, because in market copetition it is clearlythe best choice, I'd even satirically thank Pokimane for introducing me to the og product :D And for those who are ready to pay tripple just for a slapped on name, let them be economically irresponsible, not my money...
"your wealth was build on their backs" Cr1tikal said it perfectly, Pokimane is wild
Wouldn't be the first time and egirl shamed her viewers into giving them money. Far from it
Half the people who complained about her cookies aren't healthy, and don't watch her streams 😂 "your wealth was built on their backs" tell Jesus to calm down and go play some video games, he's bugging out fr
@@augustineacevedo37she was talking to her viewers when she said that dipshit
@@augustineacevedo37found the white knight😅
Nah man u are not real, do you really think Poki wealth is due to her being pretty or the fact that she has 9M twitch followers and 6M youtube subs, not even mention the people who are subs on her twitch do you know how much she asked for a tier 3 sub?
Every brand look at numbers they don't care about who they care about reach and influence, the facts his her followers allowed her to be in position to be millionaire at 25 and all she gives in response is play games and watch other people content.
The fact she called her own fans "broke" & "incel" for calling her out is insane but I'm not surprised 😂
She probably ain't wrong tho 😂
I think the fans are annoyed because someone with MILLIONS of dollars can't give back a quality product to their fans- all to make MORE money...why does she need more money...? its pathetic.
She's gets away with it because at the end of the day all her fans are massive simps. She could call them pretty much anything and they'd justify in their minds somehow.
Some are probably lol, can't deny it, i get with her issue, yes, but at the same time that's their problem
@@Lokhir100 i think her fans are also largely female. the type of bimbos that buy nonsense associated with nobodies. like the loser boys who buy prime XD
Pokimane has a long history of acting like a victim and throwing cheap insults everytime somebody dares to call her out/disagree with her and honestly not surprised, every now and then she let's her facade slip. She just let it slip little more than usual this time. Girl's been like this from day 1.
Big true. Mask falls off every once in a while, but those who know better, know she's always like this.
@@gr33dl0cknein3fact but her simp still believe her and the worst some of them still think she single
@@SoldierSpiderxa simp and his money are soon parted. Smart women like her will use this trait to quickly make a buck.
@@harsh3948agreed there alway going be simp like I remember a guy sold his house to send her money like these guys are dumbass and she didn't even care she don't care about her fans
not to sound red pill. but a lot of women are like this, i've met much worse
The four bags amounts to 16 servings for 28 dollars, the costco bag was 9.99 for 14 servings, yet she calls everybody idiots because "math is hard"
not only that, but for a lefty, to get the similar amount of cookies, you have to create four times the plastic for landfills. It's not only overpriced and exploitative, it's worse for the environment. This is the most capitalistic cash grab I've ever seen. I'd be proud if it wasn't for the blatant hypocrisy.
What is not good math for us is that when we buy more of the product it is usually expected the unit price per product to decrease a bit, which is why wholesalers do well but for her cookies you stay at the constant price of 7 dollars a bag no matter if it is four, eight or twelve bags.
@@wvance0316if this is the most exploitative capitalistic thing you've seen you don't look around very often
@@timelord295lol even drug dealers abide by this rule
pokies cookies are like 2.5X more expensive , pokimane saying math is hard ironically makes this 100X funnier
I'm surprised people are surprised she's an egomaniac. She said before people should he able to be sued for what they say online. She's a protected privileged pretty face that has been handed a pedestal of power
agreed
Not for very much longer, the wall comes for all.
The workers over at Twitter have been known to not ban there own streamers who make most of the money for switch or pretend they don’t see any rule breaking.
She's not even pretty
@@RealJayNice That's why I have always said Elon is a flipping hypocrite!
Tyler is known for this big asshole persona on his streams, big, loud, and abrasive. Possibly less known, in person he’s seen and known as one of the most humble and kind people they’ve met. Tyler is a great dude, and wildly hilarious.
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
Tyler is the biggest fucking softy irl, complete 180 from his twitch persona
Loved watching him play and shit on the last of us part 2
Feels like he's putting up a persona on stream like doc is
Yeah he treats people like shit and that was the only reason people watched him in first place. No harm done , but poki always have put the innocent persona which was proven fake like 3 years ago shutting channels down abuse of power and so much more. PEOPLE DON'T LIKE FAKE PEOPLE FACTS , and thus this situation unpacked itself she deserves every little bit of it.
It has more to do with the irony that Pokimane always likes to take the moral high ground in every situation than the cookies itself.
It sucks because all her streamer friends are making it about the cookies and telling their audiences that everyone who's mad at her is very petty and they simply don't have to buy the cookies if they don't want to
@@vinnycastro7101 that's just how the internet is ig
She never had the moral high ground.
She is self interested more than anything.
@@TonkaJay obviously she doesn't that's why some people didn't really like her that much she always seemed phony and she does to me actually
@QD_Pie there is no chance she is good as her defenders say.
Good people do not lie about a product and then push it and shame those that complain.
I honestly forgot pokimane even existed if it weren't for so many people mentioning this woman. She's the type of person you know will never change because she's never held responsible for crap like this.
I mean it’s really not that deep bruh she didn’t even say anything all that wild. Like disrespectful for sure but it was mad quick if people tripping that much cuz she mostly jokingly said “if you broke just say that” then people really don’t got priorities straight. Only reason it’s an issue is cuz she usually the type to avoid saying anything that could be divisive or offensive at all so people are taking something small and making it big so they could talk about her. Idrc about her but it’s really not that deep
People that are terminally online think the whole world knows an internet personality. She gets a couple hundred thousand views per stream. There are nearly 8 billion people. The vast majority of people on earth have never heard of her. In the grand scheme of things she's irrelevant.
Lol same I completely forgot about her until I seen everyones thumbnail of her😂
You mean like Logan Paul?
@@j.r.3945nahhh it’s definitely an issue. Shaming people for not being able to afford your product is wild. Especially if your career is carried by these very people. I believe no too long ago there was a country singer that lowered his prices for his concerts because fans were saying it’s expensive. Why not just do that or have some sort of conversation about the pricing instead of shaming?
Tyler1 is so naturally funny, he's a great entertainer. I went to Twitch Con a few years ago and he was still hanging out late on the last day at his merch booth when everyone else was packing up. He was taking pics with people who bought stuff, nice as hell guy in real life.
Pokimane calling people broke while stealing reaction content is pure gold.
bro are you really copy posting this on every pokimane video? I've seen you literally like 10 minutes ago
@@adameltassi1268he’s just spreading the message, let him cook
It's called equal rights
@@dariusreyes797 spreading them cheeks
Buddy, you've got no life. Constantly copy posting the same messages makes me believe you're an actual bot.
The main reason Poki's getting hate is because she's usually busy virtue signaling about how great she is, look at the XQC gambling drama. Also it's not even about the product for the majority of people, its the dishonesty doubled down with disrespect. The person who asked the question could've been trying to incite conflict, but the question itself is actually a very reasonable one. Why are they so expensive? Yet her reacting in such a way is not acceptable, because now she's put the brand and those associated with it, people who've actually worked hard to create the product, at risk.
This. You just have to be honest, an example. "i get it, $7 for a bag of cookies is a lot. If this is too much for you, i apologise. To make these, ive spent so much money that at THIS price, I'm breaking even."
It sucks because all of us who agreed with the video called what would happen after poki found out.
She would give out a PR. Apology. Sorry for how but not what she said. And all her streamer friends coming to her aid to downplay and brush off every criticism of her as sexist incels that hate her for no reason.
I've been a twitch viewer since 2017 and I've never seen any streamer hold poki accountable for the high horse condescending attitude that she carries towards everyone around her that isn't on her side. Condescending and virtue signaling are not good character traits to have. Yet none of her friends have called her out and tried to help her fix that.
She is Regina George, and the side of chat that has seen her true colors are ostracized
I also think the saying she spent 2 years working on it when all evidence points to her being a face for a brand that couldn’t sell, as said in the video also irritated people because she’s claiming to have put in more work than she clearly did
So it's really is butthurt little boys and gals bitching about the cookie prices 🤣 cause I couldn't give af about this whole situation. We let Xqc and all the gamba streamers remain platformed. Let poki make it too gang
@NidokingOtsutsuki she more than breaking even... the old product was like $10
Though it's a common thing to slap a brand on something already existing and add a price to it, I think Pokimane took it way to far. I've seen the comparison of cookies and she didn't only make the prize higher, she also made the size smaller. If you compare the price per ounce, her is 250% more expensive. Original - 10$ for 14 ounces, Pokimane - 28$ per 16 ounces (1 bag is 4 ounces) .That was probably the initial wave of hate her brand took. And then she doubled down calling everyone broke. It's like making a scam company and then shaming people for catching you.
Mr Beast created his own unique recipe for his chocolate bars… his “healthy” chocolate bars are only 63% more expensive than Hersheys. Yeah She’s fleecing her fans.
Yeah, she did a typical advertiser move. Said $7 per bag. Wait, that's not real expensive when you think about it. But if it is 4 ounces...That is expensive. But I don't care because I wouldn't eat gluten free crap anyway. Well, if I had a choice. Some food is by nature gluten free :)
Her bag is only 4 ounces???? Girl. Shiiiiit. What a scammer
Honestly, I'm here for the Pokimane drama. She's always had condescending b*tch energy, it's just nice that her simps are finally starting to see it.
All her big streamer friends were always trying to protect her as with their audiences. But it is nice to see that more viewers every year are staying behind the pr mask.
It's why there were 30 to 40k likes in the video comments that call out pr high horse persona
Lol
Agreed. Sick of her nice girl facade and all her army of fans supporting her sad life style.
It's amazing what a BBL, fake breast, and lip injections will do to a womans mind😂 i guess she forgets that she got popping off of randomly bending over for teenage boys. She's SSSniperwolf 2.0. It's sad that girls who actually are gamers don't get any push smh. Booty and boobie streamers get all the attention😂
The ones with humiliation fetishes will pick up the financial slack
Shout out to Oompaville who made his own candy recipe, built the machine himself, and stuck it out through a scam 🙏🏽
I think he and Aba did talk once on Destiny's stream funny enough, but it was just in passing
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
Ya? How are his finances now?
I watch him but damn was he completely brain dead and moronic during that whole thing
Awful decision after awful decision that anyone who wasn't blinded by hubris, ignorance and/or arrogance would have seen and corrected
@@CDRClarisse is that supposed to be sarcasm 😂? From my knowledge he's doing way better than he was last year. Just based off the way he talks ab it in his videos. What even is your point?
7$ for 4 oz of cookie. You can get 23 oz of cookie for 7$. She said she spent over 2 years developing the cookie that has same ingredients and looks the exact same as a costco brand. It's just 300% more $ for half the product.
cookies* not cookie
@@bofasofa9399 cookie cookie cookie cookie
@@bofasofa9399relax
@@bofasofa9399shut up grammar Nazi. Ever heard of a typo?
So avoid buying it and stop complaining. What's wrong with you people?
This whole thing was a massive L for her. Calling people broke that literally made her rich is fucked. Especially with her typical virtue signaling messaging.
She legit called out invadervie and female streamers like her years ago for doing the same thing she's doing now lol that to me is wild.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it@@nickb6425
@@nickb6425 not same even aba explain it very well as to why is not same !
Bruh, even the people who donates take Ls, don't give it one sided
Why do people pay attention to influencers? Like why? They are legit the least important people on the planet.. they guy serving you coffee at McDonald's plays a more important role in society... Most influencers are narcissistic and play people for views and money.
The backlash she is facing is due to her seemingly out-of-touch response to very valid criticism to the pricing of her brand's cookies. Myna's cookies are sold for $28, in 4 bundles of 4oz bags. The Toatzy's version was being sold in one single 14oz bag for $10. So Myna's cookies are being sold at $1.75/oz, while Toatzy's are sold at $0.71/oz. This means her cookies cost nearly 150% (2.5x) more for a very similar product made by the same company. To have a broader idea on prices and not to make a comparison as the products are different, a party-sized pack of Oreos are sold on Amazon at $0.22/oz.
Instead of properly addressing peoples' criticisms, she simply wrote off that you are an "idiot" if you cannot understand simple math that although her product costs $28, it comes in 4 so each bag is only $7, which apparently is supposed to make it sound fair (which is false when you compare the price per ounce). Then she doubles down on her insult by saying "if you're a broke boy just say so." It's extremely tone-deaf to just label people who don't want to buy her overpriced cookies simply as they are too poor and can't afford them.
It’s just cookies chill 😂😂
This comment should be pinned!
this the same girl that said she would never go agaisnt her morals for money@@el_biggins5658
@@el_biggins5658 It's just overpriced cookies chill.
I'm not sure comparing these cookies to oreos is quite fair. NOt saying theyre better, never tried them myself, but any product that markets itself as healthy, full of beneficial propertiess, usualy has an inflated price tag because of it. Sometimes its as dumb as adding "bio" on the packaging, but there plenty of people in the market for that shit. So idk what kind of changes she made to the cookies, but even if its revealed she didnt change anything at all and just repackaged an old brand... ITs kind of nonsesical but its fair, her name is the brand and people love to pay for brands. Hell i'v seen some obscure shoe brand with some of the best quality shoes i'v ever wore, yet some basic old model addidas would be more expensive. I personaly find it stupid, but as they say, if theres a demand, theres a market.
Pokimane really went from being “the queen of SIMPS” to “the queen of condescending”.
I don’t know which one’s worse.
looks like a dominatrix level up lol maybe they will like that xD
Condescension is worse than a bunch of lonely weirdos?
The fact that Pokimane says that people broke yet she got popular by them donating her money, narcissism sure is a bitch sometimes 😂
isn’t she a leftist? why so classist?
@@yamuthaho She is not. She just aligns with what ever benifits her agenda at the moment.
@@yamuthahoshe's a capitalist like Hasan
@Thisisa90sthang She's such a goof. Why so capitalissssst🤡
A lot of these streamers have huge egos and when they make money from there own viewers they like to crap on them. Pokimane is a trash human being in general she’s been in more situations like this. Shame on these simps who accept these behavior.
Those cookies better have some hash in em
Better get me higher than this shit trudeau is planting lmao
Hashish
@@ELpeaceonearth no he specifically awaits hash derived edibles not only thc sir thank you
Why?
If Poki made a new brand for edibles? Sheesh...that's a whole month of content for everyone!
Brittany Venti called out Pokimane for being fake and showing signs of this behavior several years ago. It's actually funny to see how well it's aged.
Brittany Venti is brilliant!
Venti tends to be proven right quite often it seems
Dislike both but yeah, Poki is fake as f
Britney is a mean girl with a race complex.
Brit is amazing:3
Aba and Preach. I think the initial problem with the cookies was the fact when Poki announced it, she made it seem like it was a brand new product in total. Explaining how it took 2 years of work, and I'm so excited that they are finally released and can't wait for you to try them etc etc..
If she came out from the jump and said hey, I'm trying something new and we used a flavour profile from the companies old stockpile of callback cookies. We changed up the formula a bit etc etc, pretty sure most people wouldn't have had a problem with it. They literally had to criticize and call her out that her cookies look oddly similar to another, for her to then later come out and confirm they did use the flavour profile of another cookie as their base and carried on from there.
It's the fact she announced it like it was an original idea when it truly wasn't. I think that's what the initial problem was.
Exactly! Glad someone said it. I think Aba and Preach didn't quite understand why people are mad at her.
LMAOOO what company does that? Just stop, the product is far from the problem here
@allelitememesaem3916 it's a small business that made the cookies? So can't be surprised they re-use the formula to make and market "new" ones.
Every thing an influencer sells or makes takes 2 years… or I’ve used this product for 2 years….😅
@grandpacereal1549 That's the point. You're suppose to market it in the spirit of the business. You're not suppose to say "hey I slapped my name on this, gimme your money"
NO company does that nor would you expect them to
I bet her apology will be so dripping with condescension as well.
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
Apparently she just apologized 😂. Probably her business partner got on her ass because if you look into the company Poki is just the face of the brand. But the business partner did all the work. Imagine being in business with someone who insults the customer's intelligence and calls them broke😂😂😂
I learned a very important lesson early in life, "You ain’t buying the product. You’re buying the brand".
Buying pokimane
also her response to this drama was wild. I quote "what i said was 100% intended to be a joke". WTF do i seem like a idiot?
The main problem was never the cookies, it was the way she marketed it
She'll just claim the criticism to her hypocrisy is misogyny, play victim, then read from a prescripted statement. She's never worked a day in her life, she's gotten everything handed to her, she knows how to manipulate people and her audience.
Literally go look at the comment section. More than 90% of the disparaging comments are from accounts with male names on em 😭😭 this shii is quite overblown.
@@augustineacevedo37the instant dismissal of male opinions on controversies and conflicts on the internet and in society in general is misandrist. Dismissing people based on sex is sexist. How do you not understand that you're doing exactly that?
There are probably misogynists
@@epicfiend1999 misandrist? Yeah you literally get no bitches 🤣🤣🤣
@augustineacevedo37 And? Most of her fanbasw is men so....they're gonna be upset the most. She didn't say "broke girls" she said "broke boys". Find some dignity dude
This channel aswell as a few others have been my sanity...i have been humbled and empowerd listening to these guys in particular. I havent always agreed with wut they say, but u can not deny their consistency...Thanks for being one of the few content creators of this that actually provide value from knowing your perspective and alowwing us to see that of others...
I think the problem is the fact that she promoted this product as a labor of love, that it took her two years to make it and how she can finally talk about it now. And how she made this because there's no taste good and healthy options. Then the people find out that it's a rebrand. It's the hypocrisy that she did. The issue is that she often champions what's right, she went off on this creator bad bunny for a similar take. She fostered that community and now it's coming back at her. Little like H3 he fostering this woke community and now he's all Pikachu face when they are going after him for his Israel Palatine takes.
Streamers hate it when you point out their own actions 😂😂😂
Just don’t buy em broke boy
@@JCAM1L0Hshe’s not gonna date you lil bro, and trust me none is us buying that shit regardless of finances
@@JCAM1L0Haight simp
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
Pokimane has always given me weird “I hate men and feel entitled to what I want” vibes. I’m not at all surprised
I mean, she’s an attractive young lady. She’s been taught she can act like that and get away with it.
So yeah, nothing to be surprised about.
@@BEAST.420GShes mid. Go to any college campus and there are dozens of her
@@BEAST.420G She's a gassed up mid who thrived by pandering to losers with no standards.
You guys definitely made a certain little blue-haired lady's day by shouting them out
Poki's cookie company also blatantly tried to mislead her audience by comparing her cookies to other stuff based on serving size... completly neglecting to point out that their serving size is smaller than other major cookie brands...
Major Celiac Cookies or just major cookie brands?
Beacuse there is a MAJOR price difference between normal and Celiac foodstuff.
Also a major cookie brand can afford to operate at cheaper prices
Very common thing for foods being promoted as healthy to do.
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
Honestly the only reason people dogged on her for the whole rebranding thing is because she marketed it as some revolutionary cookie she’s been working on for 2 years, that’s gonna out do pre-existing cookies and be super healthy, when it’s just generic cookies with a dash of vit D. I get that influencers do this, but it’s still shitty marketing and they should get called out for it when they do it. Like Logan Paul and his glorified sugar water. If she hadn’t glazed the everliving crap out of the cookies and just said, “Hey guys, I’m selling my own cookies can y’all support me”, the reception would have been a bit different. 🤷🏾♂️
I think most people know it is full of shit and none of them make their products. I think they went after her for her insults to the people who might buy her product. It's the Disney syndrome...Make a product, insult the customers and then complain when no one buys their product.
I love watching you both and pains me to see another forgetting how rich they got and how quick they can be poor. Stay humble and don't forget yourself.
She had no reason to say that. The funny thing is thousands of people are doing this on tic tok when selling products, like all their “self made products” are just from Ali-express💀 but that’s what gives me reasons to not buy at all, it’s the fake aspect
Eh maybe the packaging if from cheap places like that but I am sure the product is handmade if they're claim that it is. I have a small business and I cannot afford to use expensive containers for my handmade goods.
@@Butterflyyyxoxo nah man, from the packaging stand point that’s normal. No one wants to make the packaging everybody would just buy that from a store or order it. These products are stuff that people label as “handmade Stanley cup” but we know their fake, it’s the fact these people want to say they built the product from the ground up🙃
Even GMM did a fun video showing tic tok products and the actual place to buy them but at the same time this is besides tic tok cause I know other places do it to. It just labeling it “self made” or in poki case too said she’s been working on a new product for 2 years is fake you know?
HaloTaco nail polish and SourBoys candy are two examples of influencer brands that are proprietary and not just drop shipped or private labeled. Legit influencer businesses can exist. Sad that it's so rare and that so many try to deceive their audiences and pretend their products were proprietary when they weren't. That's the part that bothers me. That and her arrogantly insulting her audience for not buying it and calling her shit out.
HaloTaco nail polish is a great example!! Her stuff is next level amazing, I’d place it next to opi!!
Oompaville really did something pretty unique, all while being scammed out of mad amounts of money in the process. True respect for the guy.
Most celebrities don’t create 😂 George Foreman did not create his grill. Diddy didn’t create Ciroc.
It's ironic she says "It's the beauty of it, you can spend your money on whatever you want,". Least she's honest because she gonna find out how it applies to her when people stop donating and supporting her anymore.😂
It's that mindset of "Your money, Your choice" I have a personal gripe with. Since I grew up with the saying "money = power" and with power comes...y'know. And it's save to say we all disslike people with power, abusing it.
This goes for the consumer too, and we consumers really need to take a good look in the mirror, because we are responsible (due to the lack of responsibility for our actions) for 90% of the shit that continues to exist...
So we can't really complain till most of us change our mindset of what money really is, how we use it and who we allow it to go too. Imo.
Except her audience is a bunch of sad and lonely losers that have a twisted para-social relationship with her
she has too many simps for that to happen and she knows it.
@@azfam520sadly, true.
@@azfam520they will never stop supporting her. I know u incels wished that for every woman streamer but your gender keeps women like Pokimane in business😘
As someone who's in the fitness/health supplement industry : very little brands are original and pushing the boundaries/innovating/improving. Most are second hand - alt labelling and borrow other's recipes.
Bro the shots fired in this video are too good😭😭 "my girl destiny"💀
One thing I learned back in 2008 in a high school class from a amazing teacher. My classmates would roast low income classmates of mine for having off brand food. My teacher broke down all the ingredients and show how a lot of popular brand food have the same ish as low brand food 😂
It was crazy to me and I learned it’s ok to have cheaper food products. You save wayyyy more money with store brand items than some big name company. If you got the money for big name food items be my guest but I rather save my money especially if it’s the same thing and same ingredients 😂 🙃. It’s your money at the end of the day use it as you please 🤷🏽♂️.
Frosted Flakes is 5$ USD while Great value Frosted flakes is only 2$ USD 🤷🏽♂️ same thing but for a cheaper price 😂
Facts, but hey the higher the horse the longer the fall so I just hope people like that learn to hold on
Big companies also repackage and sell for cheaper. Sometimes the same product sometimes the 'faulty' one(Faulty = nothing wrong with them just usually from beginning/end of productions so the products doesn't have proper shapes or proper ratio of ingredients, etc.) . Brands sell and they know it, but they also know not everyone can buy it hence selling it cheaper in a bit different form. If you buy cheap product that tastes the same like some more expensive one, there's possibility you're eating the same product. It's not food only either. Perfumes and clothes as well...
W teacher
It varies. Some products the generic vs branded have noticeable differences. However often you can't really tell the difference and on some rare cases the generic version is actually better. I would recommend trying generic first and see if you can even tell the difference.
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
Giving Tyler that shoutout was great, would love to see you guys reacting to his story video on the eSports channel. It’s actually crazy, hilarious and wholesome. Since he had a rise, a fall and a comeback that made him one of the most beloved streamers.
Although I know that isn’t your usual work, so I’m not holding out on it but keep up the great work as usual
She knows them sad simps will not go away
2:00 the whole point is that she claimed it is a brand new "creation", and that there is a LACK of products like it, while this is the exact same product that you can still find in Costco.
It isn't about a product using her as a marketing celeb. The issue has never been about the cookie, or the advertising, it was about her character. A person who claims stuff like "I am already rich, I don't need anymore money" followed by her reduction of donation amount limit rather than donation frequency limit (now ppl cant donate $100 to her, they donate $2.5 40 times so there are more pop ups of donations showing) and claiming it is to reduce people's donation amounts, and now claiming this new product is a brand new "creation" they have worked TWO YEARS on, just highlights her hypocrisy, and how stupid she thinks everyone is.
You are right when you say that if this was someone else it would probably not be as much of an issue, because Poki is a repeat offender, and this is just another justification that shows how foul her character is.
Does anyone really care the cookies are 3x the price? I doubt it, it's just the principle, and it needs to be highlighted for the mega poki simps who would buy her used toilet water so maybe hopefully they will wake up one day and realize they are being played at every possible chance Poki gets
The original midnight mini cookies aren't made anymore.
@@HH-le1vi that's odd, I swear I saw videos of people going and buying those cookies in costco recently to make their point about poki
@@framinthor they discontinued those cookies months ago. Probably when they started working with Pokis team to make them.
@@HH-le1vi yea could be the case, i mpretty surei saw Itsagundum just bought 2 bags for his video about this, dunno costco policies about discontinued products.
Either way tho, she did still claim it to be a "new" product. Personally I don't mind if the company just came out and used her as a marketing tool and upped their prices, but the way she labeled this "new creation" just rubs me the wrong way, let alone her attitude has always felt, well, like how it feels now to many others.
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
I'm so glad real Pokimane is coming out. This is a reminder that you shouldn't judge a streamer from who they used to be. Judge them from who they are once they get all that money that they feel invincible.
You're waay too invested in her if you're "so glad" about that.
@@Thunterise People who put so little effort into what they do yet get compensated that much for it is what most people hate. She makes millions reacting to other people's content and playing video games. Everybody is glad when these multi millionaires who never worked a day in their life get some flack.
She’s been invincible for a while now. People been knew, the evidence was there, the simps didn’t and don’t care. Simps gonna find a way to simp.
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
@@Thunterise if that's what you think that's cool too
Rebranding is a very common thing. As a person that works in the manufacturing mass-producing certain products that I won't disclose. I can accurately say that a lot of things that people consume are simply rebranded as other things. As we process them and get them ready for shipping the "customers" request that their products be packaged and labeled in certain ways that make them visibly discernible from their competitions products. After years I've come to realize that the difference between a lot of things that we readily buy and consume are packaging and three drops of blue dye #5.
Glad to know Aba is a Tyler1 fan, had me dying, needed to watch that clip twice. Tyler1 is always funny af with no filter.
Also, love you guys videos. keep up the good work.
Thought Asmongold had the best take.
She approached a "product issue" by treating actual customers (for a physical product in a competitive market) like her streaming customers (who are essentially simps for the purpose of this convo). Hopefully it's a learning moment for her but something tells me she'll continue to take the easy route (because she has always succeeded doing things the easy way)
And can be as condescending and high horse as she wants because no one has ever held her accountable
Pokimane once visited a local restaurant in Tangier and when the owner saw a tripod and her attitude she denied her service, she tried recording stuff on her phone. Well the phone is still in Tangier lmao.
She has to many yes men to learn
A plain looking 7.5 becoming the love interest of a million young men is the weirdest part.
7 dollars a bag for 4oz is crazy, the brand its based from is 10 dollars for 14oz. Healthy foods are always expensive but the amount your getting for the price is not ok; it started as a normal conversation, then people get called broke the way it excelled was insane
Nothing here is healthy.
It's 8.25$ actually, you have to pay 5$ shipping on top of it. Also, there's nothing healthy about her cookies.
Funniest thing about the poki cookies is how every female streamer came to her defense and throwing out the sexist card completely missing the point. She insulted the people who made her who she is today plus potential consumers
“If you’re a broke boy”
Same person that judged other individuals for getting their bag calling it cringe saying that she had morals. She is selling an overpriced repackaged product and is lying about it, of course people are going to call you out.
Well yeah, they purposely missed the point because they know they can't actually defend her. When women go straight to calling men sexist it's usually because the criticism is warranted, if it wasn't then they would defend themselves against the criticism and not try and smear the person criticizing.
Women these days are straight up misandrists, no surprise there.
So her calling a few annoying and whiney ppl on the internet broke boys means she’s call all of her fans that… hmmm makes sense
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
ItsAGundam pointed out that the cookies Poki sells is a smaller serving size by over half a bag. A box of the original cookies that cost less have 7 servings a bag, as her more expensive bags have like 3 servings iirc.
Some ppl were upset because she had commented on another streamer who had called their fans broke for not subbing for $5 and she said it was messed up but now she's doing the same thing
Yea but that girl was also telling them to sub and treating to cancel her stream etc. poki just made a lite comment about someone in chat and then said spend ya bread on what you want. Like aba said this shit was nothing. But yall don’t like poki so a lot of it is just overreactions.
It’s still mind blowing how someone who’s entire career is made up of donations, would make a product for those donators, then call them idiots and broke. It makes me think she did it on purpose, I didn’t even know she was releasing this crap, but she got huge marketing for it now.
As some one else commented “streamers are subhuman trash, and water is wet.” Like why are you surprised at all? Who gives a shit
the main issue is that she wants you to pay an extra $18 for 2 ounces from the original brand. it's also false advertising because she claiming it's healthy but its only have like 3micrograms which is like 0.000000003% of a gram. it's not healthy, it's not new, and it's only 2 ounces more than what it originally had. she's selling it for $1.75 per ounce while the original was $0.71 per ounce.
Calling people broke for not wanting to buy 7 cookies is hilarious looks like she would agree with Andrew Tate after all 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
She’s so disconnected from reality that she thinks that price is normal
You know how many pack of cookies I can buy for 2$'s at my local Kroger? Lol
"Brokies" bad
"Broke bois" good
No, they wanted to but couldn't
@@littled5986 One person said it was normal
Let's be honest, these E girls could punch their fans in the face and they would still simp for them.
For anyone curious: You can have an idea of the quantity of each ingredient by the order they're listed. First on the list means more quantity while the last one has less. If both lists have the same ingredients in the same order that means it's the exact same product.
“If you’re a broke boy..” not realizing her audience relies on their parents for money.
Man, I truly have no idea who these people are at all lol. Either I don’t pay attention to these people or I’m getting older.
...... sure bruh XD bro look at ur pfp SURE BRUH........ You def have 0 INTERNET awareness.....
@@DHankins19 yeah. Excuse me for having a life lol. Also, sure bruh.
@@daveblackman816 Bro I am just looking at ur PIC but SURE BRO..... we all have lives dipshit.... Someone is trying to downplay theirs...... Same dude that keeps up with MEME culture has no idea who T1 and Pokimane are YEP SUUUUUUUUURRRRRRREEEEEEEEEE try that shit somewhere else bruh XDXDXDXDXD
I genuinely love how Aba is preparing to salsa dance on the grave of the red-pill movement.
Always be cautious and mindful of who y'all support nowadays. Do your research as much as you can. Thank you Aba and Preach for consistently being genuine and authentic on this channel.
I think they're living in lala land, they have this notion of invincibility. There are alot of very dangerous on the internet. Shit talking people just because you're rich is like playing with fire. You have alot to lose, the assailant doesn't.
Some of the people that support people like her have to take this L because they are the reason people like her are famous same thing with like only fans models they wouldn’t be paid or known if people didn’t just give them money
This is the age of pointless fame and pointless wealth. All the streamers are pointless, useless and talentless idiots. You get the heroes you deserve.
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
@@kingshin1588 You think college actually matters? 🤣
For supplements, I was looking into getting milk thistle for liver support and my chiropractor was kind enough to let me know that there are only 2 factories where the supplements are produced & distributed in the entire world, despite there being a bunch of different brands. They are all the exact same, go buy the cheapest one.
It's the same with a lot of store/generic brands. Often times, they're manufactured by the same exact companies that make the big brands.
That also goes for your glasses as well... and your chiropractor isnt a medical professional, so take what you hear from them like youd take medical advice from a youtube comment like this one,has the same value...
She fed the trolls and by doing so she insulted her entire fanbase and what's really shocking is that people didn't know she was like this. This is who she's always been, she exposed herself. It's time for people to wake up, these celebrities and influencers you give money to don't give a shit about you. Some really care, others don't and think about all the people in her community right now that are regretting sending her all that money.
The issue is that most people view streaming as a lazy completely effort-free "job" that people lucked into (which is pretty much the case, with a few notable exceptions), while many streamers somehow do enough mental gymnastics to convince themselves that they work as hard as minimum wage coal miners, and then they can't fathom how people dare complain about their life of luxury.
The ungratefulness that many of these internet famous people display is insane. All it takes is one good cancel movement and they’re done for
You and I both know she is immune to that. If she got canceled off all of her social media, she would just start an only fans and get another few million.
You can't actually cancel people it doesn't really work, and you can't really get mad at her for lashing out when she was getting tons and tons of shit. I mean a lot of fans feel like you have an obligation to them or that they own you in a way, same thing with people talking to the police and saying we pay our taxes so we're your boss or we own you in a way
She's the female twitch streamer. She has about as much of a chance of getting canceled as XQC. Both are shit human beings, but won't suffer actual consequences.
@@FBCxUNKNOWN shes not immune, its just that this drama aint that serious... only kids get angry over such small things
@@-its_your_boy-well it’s not really a relative comparison bec the police do work for us.
I'm just surprised others are surprised, Pokimane has always been trash.
She just gets away from it because just like SSSniperWolf, she has powerful people in her corner that constantly give her a pass.
It’s because they are pretty, if they were fat or ugly, they would have been cancelled a long time ago
When someone shows you their true colors, believe them. Aba & Preach happy holidays brothers, appreciate all you guys do👍🏽
i hope you know she is a loser she no right to say anything she dropped out of college
To be honest I think the most cringe part of it all is how her orbiters jump right to "because she's a woman", and no one stands up and says ,"no, it's about what she did". Pretending to be the whole R&D sector of this little company just starting out. 2 years in The making...oh wait...3 years.
Okay be realistic, a large majority of the comments being disparaging are literally by men 😭 this is literally the first time I can clearly see most of the hate is due to misogyny. And isn't actually based in reality.
@@augustineacevedo37 I dont think you know what these words mean.
@@augustineacevedo37try to critique a popular internet creator for doing something = misogyny
It is. Literally the first clip in this video is saying what Poki said in a much harsher way. XQC says the same shit too. When was the last time you saw either of them getting shitting on as hard as Pokimane currently is.
@@augustineacevedo37you are deludu
I was watching gundam cover this the other day, and he made an absolutely amazing point. "If it's a joke, then why would she go on to justify it within the same clip?" I don't understand how people can simp so hard for when she's so obviously two-faced.
28$ for some sets of cookies is wild lol
These cookies better have a genie attached to them lol
To hell with that. They'd better be loaded with pot.
Thing is, people forget words and tone, have meaning sometimes, and this happends more and more everyday. If she had said "fair enough if you dont have the money dont buy it" nobody would bat an eye, but she said something SO MUCH WORSE.
Till this very day I can never understand how she got away with what she did to ItsAGundam
Simple she's a white passing woman and she targeted a heterosexual non liberal man.
Oh yea. Forgot about that , oof
Refresh my memory, what happened between ItsAGundam and Pokimane.
@@themadnessofmadara4883 She essentially pulled the Internet extremist card on him and got gaming and news media to label him as white supremacist racist that also hates women. Which is hilarious is you've ever watched him
As long as men want to sleep with her ( yes, even the redpillers are hypocrite on this fact)she will get away with it.
That tyler1 clip came in hot bro god damn
Bro shit caught me off guard XD. But this perfectly sums up what pokie did XD
I wouldn't call it an "issue" but it does matter.
It matters because Pokimane built her career off of being laidback and chill, engaging and kind, and overall a decent person that cares about her fans. This incident shows the mask slipping off and how she really views her fanbase. It shows that the criticism of her being "fake" has some degree of validity to it. At the very least, she may not have been that way before, but she is that way now.
It matters because at the end of the day, it's a reminder that any para-social relationship involving a content creator isn't with that person... it's with a facade they crafted. You don't know them. They could view you as next to nothing while you're idolizing them, and unless they fucked up (like she did), you wouldn't know a damn thing. Don't fall into that pit.
We ain’t reading all that 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@Mini_Console(1 day late for me 😅) Ngl you probably should read it because it might increase your brain cells hoping you still have some left if you think the original OP is just yapping. Everything I read up there was straight facts and if you didn’t read it why tf did you even comment. I will either have to assume your dumb or a troll and I hope it is the latter for your sake.
Thank you. People are bonded to the marketed image not the actual person.
@@Mini_Console Okay child 🥴
Wal-Marts dog food "Old Roy" is actually "Purina". It's LITERALLY the same dog food.
Lmao 😂the scamming on pet food is crazy
Man i wish Tyler still streamed more, but i get it, shit stresses him out and he's made his bag.
Especially playing league I don’t blame him at all.
he still is quite active
These petty sponsorship ads are being outta hand😂🤣😂🤣...
And I love it🔥👌🏾
Pokimane has always been like this. Its honestly funny how people are just now realizing this.
14:30 "Mah gurl Destiny" I am always happy that these two support female creators :)
2:47 tequila is the biggest offender of this. There’s a handful of tequilarias who just make a bunch of tequila for multiple celebrity brands. The same building makes tequila for The Rock and one of the Kardashians.
People in Pokimane’s position are completely out of touch with reality. Like I could buy out half a of the cookie isle in my local dollar store for less than it costs to buy 10 packs of these Boujee cookies 😂.
Let’s be real here for a moment. The moment Pokimane sealed her fate was when she started going after the livelihood of people who criticized her, regardless of how justified that criticizm was. That was when the Pokimane hate got out of control, and i don’t think it can be reversed. Everything she does, people watch it with a damn microscope and if its even a little bit questionable, they will attack her for it. And it also doesn’t help that she tends to do questionable things on a regular basis.
Streamers are subhuman trash, and water is wet. More at 6.
That what I’m on cause she did nothing in this situation at all in my opinion. The price is even decently priced for the product. She just has so much hate that people are going to harp on her for bs. She brought this on herself tho as you explained. Even when she’s done nothing she’s in the wrong for a lot of people and we can see it got her this time.
She deserves all of it and more.
@@procreation100 Nah, she actively goes after other people trying to cancel them for morals while she has no morals herself. She's a terrible person on all counts.
@@deeky1239 which I why I said she getting this over exaggerated hate now because of her actions in the past. People don’t like her so they’ll have a problem with pretty much anything even when she done nothing wrong. And if she’s your barometer in terrible people I suggest getting off the internet and actually meeting people cause let me tell ya, her shit is lite work.
"My girl Destiny"😅😅😂 Smh.... I love this channel.
I think what is getting a lotta people talking about the price isn't the product but the amount, each bag is 4 oz while the product it was inspired off of is 14 oz and only $3 extra ($10 per bag). Moist critical went over it as well, either way keep up the great work Kings!!👑👑
to elaborate there are 7 cookies in each pack so essentially you paying $1 = a cookie
At the speed she's shoving those "healthy" cookies in her mouth she's gonna find out pretty quickly they aren't healthy.
At 17:00 I felt personally attacked and offended 🤣🤣🤣. The wayyou were both looking at the camera I felt that
To this day, I can never understand how people support her, the Kardashians, or anyone of their ilk.
2 words: Simp Culture
I think the issue is that she straight up lied. She says there's no healthy affordable snacks then proceeds to take an existing healthy affordable snack and make it less affordable and just added mushroom powder and a massive advertising campaign budget. That is the price hike.
also her response to this drama was wild. I quote "what i said was 100% intended to be a joke". WTF do i seem like a idiot?
This on-going joke about Abas girl destiny is so foul, and im here for it🤣🤣
People are mad because she lied. She said it took 2 years in the making as if she made and concocted it on her own with her team. Said that she was shocked healthy cookies did not exist so she made one; which was her just slapping a rebrand on an already existing product. Then she over priced the item because it was supposed to be healthier than what is currently out. Then she flat out called her own audience broke for not being able to afford it. Not realizing everyone is in a recession and that much for some cookies for a smaller bag was crazy. She was completely out of touch with her audience and then she tried to insult them further by saying they were too dumb to understand math when people were comparing proce to quantity to the original brand. Those are the reasons her fan base was pissed at her. Being she got to where she was because of their donations because they thought she was this sweet person. For her to trash talk them and make them feel less of a person for not being of a certain tax bracket is kind of wild. How do you trash the people that made you for a genuine concern. Thats why people liked Henry Henry Cavill. Being he knew the fans were not just complaining but passionate when addressing their concerns. Last thing you do is Brie Lawson the people you are supposed to be appealing to.
One reason i like to watch your channel. Based guys just speak out what they think and also be able to bring people down to earth again.
That SurfShark intro was so petty. I love it hahaha.
15:38 I feel like this point needs to be said more often. I have a lot of respect to creators who stand their ground when they are reactionary. It's normal behaviour and everyone does it, I hate it when people act like they are above everyone else because they didn't get mad and instead become ethically and morally condescending/patronizing.
i allways thought she would go viral for a diffrent type of "cookie" gate.
😂😂😂
When she gets desperate and people stop getting obsessed with her she will probably get to porn. The gateway after onlyfans is usually that..
Yo aba been keepin the fade real clean lately