600hp Toyota MR2 vs McLaren 540C: DRAG RACE & 0-100-0mph
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- Опубликовано: 7 дек 2020
- Should you buy a supercar or build one? In this drag race we're looking at how two mid-engined supercars from different eras, but generating similar amounts of power, compare in a quarter mile race.
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Rory is throwing so much shade on that man's car.
I think he acknowledges his effort but he said the truth as it is. 600HP MR2 isn't as good as 540HP Mclaren Engineering. That's the way auto journalists should be. If I tried to race a guy in Ferrari and loose by car lengths, I wouldn't expect the guy in Ferrari to praise me. I would rather acknowledge the fact that my car isn't as good as the Ferrari.
@@visakhrajendran741 i think you miss the point. A old MR2 shouldn't even compare it's a fraction of the price and not that much slower... I would be a bit ashamed. Also the guy in the MR2 isn't that good at driving by his own admission and that is a huge factor in a car where there is no technology to help... Even my MR2 has ABS so a massive disadvantage there. So actually a Ferrari or supercar driver should have some respect for a car that is cheap old and somewhat comparable.
@@dylan4972 Are we talking about cost as in to do the engineering work in perfecting a car or are we talking about money as value of the vehicle. Cost of building is something is different from value (which is supply & demand economics) Mclaren do depreciate their value significantly over time. MR2 was an impressive car when it came out in 90s. I am impressed with 3SGTE engine making 600 ponies. I am more impressed with Mclaren taking a nissan racing engine and engineering 540 ponies out if it while still making a road legal, safe vehicle in limited quanities so its buyers feel special that still manages to win over 600pony car. That MR2 is special not because it can keep up with a Mclaren, but because it is somebody's dream car. I am not impressed by any vehicle that makes more power than it should have. Would you have take a dodge demon 812 superfast? demon is cheaper. If you prefer demon over 812 we like different cars. If all you wanna have is straight line performance, just get a wet NOS. I rather appreciate a properly engineered vehicle that can accelerate, decelerate, corner yet give driver the feedback. A stock MR2 or Miata could do that. If anybody can make MR2 do that better Mclaren engineers make their cars while getting a profit to run a racing division, I will very well damn be impressed by them. Oh this doesn't involve engineering companies like Lotus or Roush. I know they can do it. Also yes Rory is a very good driver and most of us would loose to him even if we switched the cars. That MR2 makes me say cool not wow. If it had outperformed Mclaren engineering, I would say a big Wow. Do I like tuned car? Yes. Supercars? Yes. I just like tuned cars that are safer and outperform supercars. If somebody did that to an MR2 back in 90s, that would be hell of a car that we all want. I would take it over a diablo. And lambo is my favorite 😂
@@dylan4972 Also I think people who have money to afford a brand new mclaren will have less respect for us poor everyday people. Don't they say we don't work hard enough to be as lucky as them? 😅 I know off topic, so sorry but I just think most people in a Mclaren give us regular guys smug face not cause they can drive like Rory but because they know we can't afford a brand spanking new Mclaren so I no I do not expect them to respect a guy with 600hp MR2 built in a shed. Remember the scene from Fast n Furious? 😂
Just hate that smugness and the continuous “men in a shed” quote! So condescending! To the guy in the MR2 very well done mate, respect, for a car built in a shed! Finally I think a rolling race might have had a very different result!
As much as the mclaren was always going to win, this test played into the mclarens strengths. I feel like a rolling race would have been a better contest.
I agree, maybe it still would have won but I don't think by much
They picked the wrong 2 cars. The 540 is orders or magnitude more expnsive and 30 years younger. What a joke. This was just a video about the 540. Not to mention lets see how well the 540 is running 30 years from now like that mr2. Toyota reliability and not English preace of junk.
BRUNSÅS!!
Jared Garthe You're speaking like they're stock, the main disadvantages the Mr2 had were the gearbox and traction control, horsepower were almost on par.
Think some might want to check out the fastest mr2 in the world theirs a Santa pod clip cause it's uk. Sorry but no McLaren would beat unless it has more power. 8sec quater mile is all that is needed to say. 8.3secs I think it is.
yaah.. this one was beggin for a rolling race.. that 600hp needed a moment in the spotlight
agree
Why not a roll race too?
Because 540c would lose
@@criminozs I doubt it. Mclarens normally have more horses than the engineers say that they have, plus the mclaren will be way lighter, and quicker shifting. Oh, and more aerodynamic.
@@olivergriffiths4445 I agree that maclarens are underrated on power, 540c might have 540 rwhp and better aerodynamics. But Mr2 is way lighter, 200kg lighter than 540c. The only disadvantage Mr2 has is manual gear box when it comes to a drag race and rolling race takes that disadvantage away somewhat. Both cars are gonna be more closely matched in rolling race.
I was pretty impressed with the mr2, it launched good despite not having a fancy launch control, only lost some speed during gear changes and stuck with 540c right till the end.
@@criminozs yeah, without a doubt both cars are awesome - much better then the piece of shit I drive! but I doubt the Mr2 is that much lighter then the mclaren, especially after all the engine modifications. Maybe I'm wrong though. I still think the mclaren would have won, just because of the gearbox, but it would have been closer than the drag race for sure.
Nope I don't believe it MR2 would have smoked it in a rolling race even with the manual gearbox. The guy driving was okay still needed a better driver though for that race
600hp from men in a shed
I am dead
That's a nice rhyme
I'm glad I made it in time
well all great things come from a shed according to james may tho
@@manenwan my toyota celica was built in a shed , does 9.5 quarter mile , would rip that 540 a new arsehole lol
@@richardprydden2851 and probably cost way less than that english piece of junk.
@@swaj420 it is not all about HP it is about cornering, daily comfort, straight line speed and feel of the car. To say that the Mclaren is a peice of shit is just dumb, but anyway I am speaking to a fanboy here, so why do expect you to understand, you probably do not have a license in the first place
Holy cow, a new $200k+ super car beat a $20k thirty year old MR2.
In all seriousness, that MR2 did quite well. Roll race soon?
you cna get a used macca for 98k, bargain
Ya this was a joke, they picked the wrong cars for this. This was a waste of a video.
WTF??
I don’t believe it makes 600whp my $50k mr2 makes same hp and is still beating McLarens, lambo and hellcats that make more power then me smh 🤦🏻
the mr2 driver was shitty, no offense please, 480whp pump gas 60-000 leaves a hellcat about 3 to 5 cars back, 2700k weight 255 rears 205 fronts, r1r's
Every real car will admit that the MR2 is the spiritual winner here.
I love McLarens though
Spiritual winner? Ok 😅
Had an interesting chat with the MR2 owner who said that 2 hours of filming took place where the shoots of the MR2 pulling on the McLaren weren't included, nor were the rolling starts. Wonder what the point of the video is?
Of course the McLaren is the better car - it should be, but it was a lot closer in reality than the video shows* and the McLaren broke afterwards where the Toyota drove back home *apparently.
maybe some money changed hands somewhere along the line... can't let the big $$$ car be embarrassed by the 30 yr old Toyota...
Just because the Mr2 was a mass production sports car should in no way reflect on its basic design strengths
@@nigelsmith7366 whatever the cars in question, you don't keep re-filming until the car you want to win does it
There's usually an agenda. I mean Top Gear as a show was very scripted too
Men in a shed built something close to McLaren...tats great..!
0:52 So you got 600bhp
1:04 How much power are you making?
Whut?
Prob was edited awkwardly.
he might have been asking for specific figures/torque
@Paul Robert yeah coz you can choose which remap to use
WTF??
What I'm hearing is "About 610 today"
Smug af, who’d of known a 100,000k+ would beat a 1996 mr2 in 100-0🤣
Well, the thing is Mclaren owners are not out there challenging 96 MR2 that is turbo+tuned. It is 96 MR2 owners who want to see how their car can keep up with a performance brand. A stock MR2 is reliable while 100 grand McLaren is not. Also, the 100grand price tag comes from the engineering hours you put into developing a performance car whereas you do not put a dollar/Euro value for the time and effort you put to make 600hp from a turbo MR2. You only consider the cost of the parts. Truth be told, I bet the engineers behind that Mclaren are a hell of car enthusiasts as the guy with MR2. But seriously a good effort by both of them and that is what we acknowledge. It is not about winning at the end of the day. It is not about the destination, it is about the journey you took to reach the destination that brings happiness. To be frank, I would rather have a better handling and braking vehicle over 600hp. You do not need 600hp to have fun on open roads and still stop with a safe distance under braking. Honda accord 2.0T or Mazda3 turbo is good enough for me. Or any hot hatch.
@@visakhrajendran741 blah blah blah
Not a fan of this bloke, no idea how he got on tv....
@@paulbaker4941 What about YOU PAUL BAKER? Do you have talent? Do you have anything to stand on besides your hateful RUclips comment, attacking a mans livelihood because your panties are twisted?
@@paulbaker4941 It is not like anybody asked your opinion before putting Rory on TV nor did anybody force you to watch it. I think Rory is far funny and informative than Mr. Baker
I have an MR2 Turbo, it has short gears and with that much power, you'd be shifting a lot. At 80mph, the engine is at 4000rpm in 5th. The car was designed for the twisties, not the drag strip. Toyota made another car for the drag strip.
The MR2 did exceptionally well. Massive respect to owner and build. ..and for sticking with 3sgte not the usual k20 swap👏🏼👊🏼
is it the 3SGTE?
he weighs a dead donkey (180 kg) and does not give good motor skills because of the enormous turbo lag.
In my opinion, a 600hp 2GR-FE SuperCharger swap would have been more efficient, a little lighter and without turbo lag.
@@alkane6467 You are right! However, everyone does a swap some way or another and it’s just nice for a change for someone to have the original motor in it.
@@alkane6467 2gr would have killed it.
Damn wanted to see the rolling race too. Could be close.
For me Mr2 won
Manual gear box and it held with the mclaren
I'm pretty sure Mr2 would have taken it in rolling race up till 160mph or so
for raw speed I agree, the braking was poor though
@@mikepowers572 the comparison was 0-100-0
To strictly check the braking performance, the cars should be doing 100 and then brake to see the difference in terms of distance. Obviously the mclaren has better brakes but in the video it seems like mr2 has very poor brakes compared to mclaren just because it took mr2 more distance to reach 100 and ultimately brake later than mclaren.
Nah the mclaren would have beat it the minute it changed gear, it would have been closer but 30 years of tech and engineering helps, and we aren't even talking standard production car tech we're talking supercar tech, and I've owned 2 MR2s, the MR2 is a great performance car for the average bloke and not a car for someone that can buy their way to victory in selected categories.
@@weegaz22 rolling race. Theres less gears to change.
@@Excepticus less gears to change, but also a much narrower power band of around 2500rpm unlike the bigger engined mclaren, it'll make a wider spread of power compared to the mr2 that'll start producing its power well above 5000rpm
Built or bought, which one would you go for? ⬇️
One of each.
MR2 of course😒 who'd want that shitty mac?
You’re only a REAL car person if you like both but the McLaren would destroy the mr2 on a track
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Great video Rory, but you should try easing up on the smugness when doing these races.
Also happened in the McLaren SLR video.
That behavior will turn away future racers from agreeing to come onto your channel.
Just poor form.
Bought in this situation
I'm so used to carwow racing right to left this just looks odd
It feels odd not being asked to click on the banner above for something I didn't come to watch every few minutes!
It feels odd not hearing "so what exactly happened?"
WTF??
Actually surprised how well he kept the Mr2 in relative contention.
So then what exactly happened
According to the MR2 owner they selected the bits from the 2 hours shoot that made the McLaren look much better than it really was against the MR2!
level up, LEVEL UP
Lets ask yanni!
also i noticed the mr2 wasnt using launch control but the mclaren was..last i checked usually built mr2's would have an ecu with launch control. Had the mr2 used launch control and left on boost. He wins.
WTF??
The DCT was a big performance factor fot the Mc Laren.
Superior tech right there
Even the single clutch Lamborghini has been using for like 18 years is very good and damned quick for a single clutch
Regardless of the result, if I could pick a car for the weekend it’d be the MR2 everytime!
Hands down to the man in the shed and his budget!
Try racing the MR2 without launch control or from a rolling start and see what happens. The sad part is it required 200k dollar highly engineered McLaren with a sequential trans, 7 gears, twin turbo V8, and LC to beat a 30 year old Toyota with 5 gears in a standard H form and a single turbo glued to a slant 4. That should be impressing even more.
This!
McLaren has more grip, dct vs 5 spd, the mr2 even lost traction just a bit just after 2nd gear to 3rd. Power on mr2 is top end smaller motor. Love the content
Considering its manual vs auto I call the win for the MR2.
Autos are not like autos from the early 2000s. Most automatics now days are twice as efficient as a manual. Stuff like this makes my brain hurt how things are so backwards.
Loved this video. As an MR2 fanboi (have yet to actually buy 1 tho) the *tiny* win it has over the McLaren at launch made me smile lol.
The car can fuckin launch. No question.
If he had done no lift shifts, he would have had a better chance.
Think he lost it on turbo spool drop off into 3rd.
MR2 body is a work of art🇯🇵✌️
The McLaren driving experience is like a really fast computer, I imagine.
More fun in the MR2, and it requires way more skill. Anybody can stomp on the pedal and go in a straight line, I have little respect for people who brag about their super duper fast computer on wheels that manages the powertrain for them.
Rory. This is dope af. Love from Nairobi Kenya
All about the gearbox ,MR2 is a LOT more interesting car and I would say a LOT more fun ,no denying the McLaren is faster but I would rather have a play in the shed built 👍
What a stupid comparison. Compare prices maybe?
Stupid comparison is exactly the point, it's just a bit of fun. Why bother with prices, it's not like anyone in the market for 1 of these cars will be looking at the other.
@@ApothecaryTerry If not bother with prices, then why not race this Mclaren with Hoonicorn? :-p
@@GhostKon I guess you're joking, but I think it'd actually be pretty funny to watch...
Other equally ridiculous but potentially amusing (and theoretically very close) suggestions:
A Lexus GS450h against a 1969 Mustang Mach 1 390
TVR Chimaera vs a BMW M4
981 Cayman S vs a Bentley Bentayga
I've owned 2 of those cars this year, so slightly biased choices, but regardless I'm up for weird drag races.
@@ApothecaryTerry take a look ruclips.net/video/yHlCtUjf_AI/видео.html
@@GhostKon Exactly! Total nonsense, exactly what I'm here for ☺
It's automatic vs manual....what to compare!! 🤷🏻♂️
Thank you and please keep these going! Add rolling race too!
Hey man great video Rory!! Keep it up
Rory was so apologetic about the SLR losing against the 540, but a bit snobbish against this tuner.
Lots to respect to the MR2 guy. In a rolling race, your shed tech probably would have embarrassed the McLaren boffins 🙄
True didn't like this video
Hi I'm Rory and welcome to the McLaren channel
I'd take the MR2 its always been my dream car hopefully I will own one soon!Good Race.
The MR2 lost primarily because of slower shifting and gear ratios. Traction control helps the McLaren, but the shifting on the MR2 is just not in the same league as the McLaren. Change the transmission in the MR2 to a sequential manual (with more appropriate gear ratios), and these cars would be near equal in 0-100.
Dang I loved this drag race! One day I hope to drag race cars like this on my channel in the future 🤞ONE. DAY.
I see you everywhere 😂
WTF??
This guy is so patronizing man, you have to give credit where it is due. This guy poured his heart into making that MR2, and in my opinion, going against a $200k+ motor for its age it came close!
Looks like the MR2 possibly did better vs the 540C than the McLaren SLR had in a previous video. Would be interested to see a comparison between those two especially as the SLR is 9 years newer than the MR2. The 0-100-0 here was basically a demonstration of ABS and Traction Control.
I have a 1991 Mr2 2.2 litre my client purchased it brand new. I was his primary mechanic for 10 years, when he offered me the vehicle. ,5spd manual, large moonroof and 475,000 miles. In the process of rebuilding the top end, replacing the cooling system. So much fun to drive my daughter grew up commuting 100 miles a day to work. Over the hwy 74 Ortega highway. Hopefully it will drive again. Here in California they try to stop you from driving high mileage.
Around 2012, a MR2 costs 1000GBP on auto trader, there were plenty of them. now it costs around 5000 and not many for sell🤷♂️
You answered your own question. Supply and demand
This happens to a lot of Toyota vehicles. Which of their sports cars is your favorite?
It cost like 2k a few months ago.
Keep making these competions. Me likes it a lot
I was waiting for the third test...the rolling start. Have to admit i was routing for the MR2!
I hate drag racing manual transmission cars against automatics. It's not fair.
shouldn’t a manual win ??? at least the first 20 meters
nice video... the brake test was very informative... at the end of the day the Mclaren has alot of ECU and sensor support for the breaking, suspension and traction systems in every test, it's very educational for independent builders, but not really a fair test
No one:
This dude: “let’s compare a mclaren to a 30 year old all time classic car”
stock vs modified
@@zebrasgrave9354 its still oldscool tech. ill give this one to the mr2
I had a 94 mr2 and It did have anti-lock but it was very rudimentary. You could hear it banging on and off.
It was an excellent car.
Luv and Peace.
Lovin that mr2 don’t see many anymore love it
More of these races please.
Gearing
Please always show us the times for 1/4 mile drag races
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I love how the McLaren driver is boasting as if he's actually doing something. Flat foot on the accelerator, gear shifts are automatic, traction control helped with the wheel spin, slam the brakes and ABS takes care of it. The least you could do is get a decent all-around MR2 of that power to compare and with ABS for sure and same tire brand/model. Otherwise you're comparing apples to oranges and the end result is a poorly made comparison with no real conclusion. Might as well say that orange is a faster color than black as this test shows...
I really want a 1/4 mile race between my 2015 BEV i3 and a Fiesta ST. The 0-60 and 1/4 mile times I've seen people get out of both are almost identical.
You haven't made the race that would have given a chance to the MR2 😑 And someone calls this good content?!
The money is always going to win, but was it really as fun? when all the work is done by the car it just isn't as fun. and yes i have both a built AND a bought car.
I love my mr2
Pretty sweet. Would love to see one of these crazy modded Golf Mk2s against one of the supercars.
The real winner was the Enkei RPF1's 😎
Goat wheels
The Maclaren only won because of the electronic aids, traction control, launch control and the sequential gearbox. The mr2 is just barebones and that's what I love about it!
You can see the MR2 slowing down between shifts. What is the weight of these two?
McLaren, Wow you got a lot of money... MR2, Wow you have brains !!!
I love my MR2 even more after this video
Need to get my R1 on here
if the mr2 had some R compound tires and a sequential box; it would win!!
Nice test 👍
a 3km race will be interesting when mr2 stops spinning and gains speed.
Not unless it has a top speed over 200mph...which it definitely doesn't.
@@ApothecaryTerry why not? Stock 3sgte is capable of 260km/h with 256hp..
@@MockingBrd. Using the Turbo transmission for figures and 265/40R19 tyres that are huge for the car (both to give the car as much chance as possible) and totally ignoring power/drag, the redline would need to be increased to about 7800 RPM to get to 200mph. Also the 540C falls just short and I suspect that the drivetrain is more efficient so the WHP is probably very similar.
Drag is basically the same between the cars though, so with an upgrade gearbox he could probably do it. Not sure I'd want to...but it seems plausible!
I'm assuming he's running a stock gearbox purely because the shifts were terrible. Realistically I hope he isn't with 600hp+ so who knows what the top speed is...so I guess it could do 200mph but I suspect it's unlikely.
Day 6 of asking for Mat vs Rory
What did the mr2 coat to build? My guess it's less than 1/4th the cost of the McLaren.
I've seen those MR2s go very quick with a k series turbo swap and a sequential box.
doesn't even need a kswap , the 3sgte and sw20 did set a landspeed record as the fastest car in its class back in the 90's at the Bonneville salt flats, this child was throwing way too much shade and the videos quality suffered for it.
Would be interesting to a) see a rolling race and b) see a MR2 with the same tune but with a sequential gearbox....
It’s not about the braking it’s just because the mclaren got to a 100 quicker so it brake earlier
but mann the adrenaline the guy hass..must be fun
Manual gearbox in the MR2?
Good stuff!
2019vs1993
Automatic vs manual
Traction control esp vs nothing
They don't even do a roll race bruh
They need to race this MR2 with the SLR from 3 weeks ago to be fair and interesting matchup
I love your videos bro
Everyone allways forgets about the braking system...
The best test would've been rolling alongside each other from 35mph/45mph and accelerating hard. The MR2 might've held up better.
Thought that was Bisi for a sec. Thought, damn...now he's really ballin
What tyres is he using on the MR2... Nexen?
Program a no lift shift into that MR-2 and it would be super close.
A bit smug and disrespectful Rory, poor form
Kids cocky as f**k compared to his TG days....
@@stevenshek1373 And you wouldn't like Jeremy Clarkson then
@Rubedo Alaberti yeah I think he was just having a laugh I didn't feel like he was being serious.
It’s called banter, you obviously don’t know his personality
I think you guys should get pure turbos on with their insane bmw m140i vs some super car
Ive a MR2 spyder with a 3sgte at 600hp with g25-660, i wanna try that mclaren agains me. I am at 1050kg and that car is at 1311kg
But the Mclaren won't explode after one run......
@@adams7405 you probally dont even know what a 3sgte is lol.
@@adams7405 apparently it broke when they finished filming and went off to a garage. The MR2 drove home.
@@kamikazu4392 Adam s probably does nt know that its a Toyota after all.. Reliability is nt a McLaren's strongest point, and probably does nt know that either
@@doublebass2 the 3sgte have the same block structure like the 2JZ has. Its only 2 cilinders less but everything is the same. There are even 3sgte with 1200hp.
Good fun race.
So, the McLaren 540C have 540 hp? Because the 720S have about 700hp to the wheels and that translate to almost 800hp at the crank...
New dct gearboxes absolutely help lol :p
Waiting for Mclaren 765 LT Drag Race 🏁
Still no denying how fast that MR2 is though. It’s rapid. Well done to the lad for building it.
Needs a wot box to do no lift shift in that mr2
I think this is more to do with the traction control systems of the mclaren making the best use of the surface, i bet if the MR2 had some decent traction control it would be different story just see those vids from the old racelogic systems.
Still like the MR2 more though and i would have a lot more time for a guy who built his own car rather than just buy a fast car that is easy to drive due to all the driver aids and bought mostly as a status symbol.
My first car was a 1991 ma MR2 converted into a turbo version after I blew the original motor. (Frayed throttle cable kept her stuck)... Never had so much fun driving in the city than I did in that car.
Down to the transmission - put a 6spd manual in the McLaren and this is a lot closer. Congrats to the MR2 owner for building a fast car, even if he lost this one
This is good content
I had old Honda prelude I think it was 1983 model and that had ALB (Anti-Lock-Brake-System)
Later I bought 1991 Honda Prelude and this also had ALB and 4WS (4 wheel steering system)
The aerodynamics of the car plays a big roll
20 years ago I had a 91 MR2 Turbo. Still wish I had it.... Oh and it had ABS back then. Maybe if he had spent as money money on the brakes as he did the engine he would have stopped a little earlier.