The reason why Minecraft runs a lot better in linux is because it's using OpenGL, while most of games is running using DirectX, OpenGL can run natively in Linux, while DirectX games needs to be emulated Edit: yes, it is translated, not emulated.
Then why is there not much of difference with Vulkan CS2 on Windows and Linux? Why does Doom Eternal run worse on Linux using Vulkan with no translation. I think there is something else causing the difference honestly, I don't think it's just a matter of graphics API especially when Minecraft is especially CPU bound
@@nonetrix3066well Vulkan is native to Linux so most of the time you get better performance, not sure why doom eternal decides to be lower, sometimes that just kinda happens.
Good content bro, did you use gamescope or gamemode? Proton version? I read that The tkg kernel improves performance a lot but it takes too long to compile. I haven't tried it. I had very good performance experiences with Bazzite. Keep it up👍
Thanks! Yes, I used gamemode and the proton version was the experimental one. I tested the gamescope on Arch and the performance was the same, so I left it disabled.
the fact that they are so close is actually impressive, especially for the wine ones, while minecraft is already runing in a java vm in both systems, but in linux I think it uses openjdk, that has better performance and integration in the kernel. On older pcs a good reason to switch to linux is that the gpu stops receiving official updates on win, but it gets community updates on linux, that's how I can still use mine, otherwise I'd be stuck to a driver 4 years old. On some systems it also gets more features than the official one, like the gpu in apple silicon, that is far more performant in linux
I've been playing on linux for some time but then I decided to go back on windows. If you play online games you'll find for sure a game that doesn't work. Performance can be good (as the video shows) but people shouldn't focus on avg fps, 1% lows and even 0.1% lows are also important, in fact on linux I had pretty much the same performance I had on windows but the frametime was just a mess and even 120fps felt laggy (less smooth than windows) on my 165hz monitor sometimes.
Maybe because you dont use gpl in RADV driver , or have nvidia. I have nvidia 1660s and looking some stutters , cause nvidia driver sucks. Maybe on amd with RADV 0.1% and 1%. much better then nvidia , i dont know...
@@nullux1166 I have a 6700xt so AMD. I tried changing drivers even installing proprietary blobs. As for distros I used Ubuntu 20/24, nobara 39/40 (that comes with gaming oriented tweaks) and Manjaro. Windows always runs better. Even in games that had high 0.1% and 1% the games felt less smooth than windows in fact the frame time on mangohud was just a mess.
@@nullux1166 I have a 6700xt so AMD GPU. I tried using different versions and I even installed proprietary blobs. I've used Ubuntu, nobara (that comes with gaming oriented twaks) and Manjaro. I've noticed that even in games where I have a high 0.1% and 1%, the frame time on mangohud is just a mess.
For me even getting 70% of the performance on windows would have been okay enough to switch, Arch exceeded my expectations and I been daily driving it since 2022.
This meets my expectations. Most games run with a few more FPS in Win7 than PopOS for me. So if I have really poor fps in PopOS, running the game in Win7 might get me that extra few valuable FPS to get it playable. This is if Win7 can even run the game, which is getting less viable over time as steadily more games require a newer Windows OS. But that never holds linux back as it can run any game targetting any Windows version (unless it is straight up garbage performance from ProtonDB and/or runs incompatible Kernal anti cheat).
Other testing I've seen suggests i3 is (counter-intuitively) _less_ performant than alternatives. In particular, recent gnome desktops on xorg seem to perform best. Wayland still trails xorg, but in theory should overtake it in time. The yet to be mainlined NTSYNC kernel patch should be a game changer (pun intended). Once it's merged, any testing done previously will be outdated. So take all results until then with a grain of salt.
Generalmente los juegos que utilizan Proton se ven algo afectados en rendimiento. Si tienes una buena PC la pérdida de FPS es relativamente insignificante. Sin embargo, los juegos que utilizan OpenGL o (en especial) Vulkan nativo (no las implementaciones de DirectX a Vulkan como DXVK) tienen un muy buen rendimiento, incluso podrían llegar a superar a una instalación de Windows con DirectX 11 & 12. === Generally, games that use Proton are somewhat affected in performance. If you have a good PC the FPS loss is relatively insignificant. However, games that use OpenGL or (especially) native Vulkan (not DirectX to Vulkan implementations like DXVK) perform very well, even outperforming a Windows installation with DirectX 11 & 12.
Good content , Myabe you could make a video comparing gaming performance of lightweight custom windows iso like xos with linux It would be owsm video to see
Thanks for the recommendation. I've already considered that. The problem is that many people don't trust these modified Windows ISOs. Perhaps using optimization scripts on a clean Windows installation would be a better option.
you should know linux isnt made for gaming, and that the fps is SO IMPRESSIVE since win games are sort of emulated, the performance is crazy edit: oh and i hate windows but yoi should optimize windows you would get like 1,5 more fps
NTsync bout to make linux utterly STOMP windows into the ground gaming performance wise for the forseeable future, can't wait for those performance gains to pull linux ahead of windows in many more games.
@@LinuxMadeEZ maybe down the road when Nvidia releases driver 560 for linux you could redo the test with wayland. I'm using the 555.58 drivers with wayland and seeing almost 10 percent less cpu usage in games so it might be worth a test. * never mind i just looked again and you have an ATI card so you dont need to care about Nvidia drivers lol.
Yeah, but Windows can also be optimized, so unless you're giving both roughly equal time that's unfair to do. Linux takes more time to set up to begin with, even if it's comparable nowadays. And no, SteamOS is also not flawless in that regard. I take the occasional broken registry over kaput Wine on there.
@@gregsar1321 Optimization varies on hardware. Distro maintainers can't compile and ship a dedicated kernel version with settings tailored to your CPU and so on, disabling the stuff you don't need. They can only apply generic optimization that'll work for most
@@whohan779 First of all, no Windows can't really be optimized as it's locked source. At most people can strip bloat ware and set some settings for performance, but they can't edit either the kernel or system As to steamos not being flawless, no brick Sherlock. No OS is perfect and Windows is far from that title actually. And those wine kaputs and registry shenanigans are a skill issue + they can be easily and quickly fixed.
after installing linux many times, games work bad, and this weekly i decide install again linux, BUT after watch this, NO thanks.... and all censore i tell about linux...:( also i need xbox app and microsoft store, for play xbox games! and nobody tell that i cant install microsoft store, or xbox... only tell, yes u can install every think, msi after burner, check temperature, but dont tell cant install xbox...:(
The reason why Minecraft runs a lot better in linux is because it's using OpenGL, while most of games is running using DirectX, OpenGL can run natively in Linux, while DirectX games needs to be emulated
Edit: yes, it is translated, not emulated.
Then why is there not much of difference with Vulkan CS2 on Windows and Linux? Why does Doom Eternal run worse on Linux using Vulkan with no translation. I think there is something else causing the difference honestly, I don't think it's just a matter of graphics API especially when Minecraft is especially CPU bound
Not emulated, translated
@@nonetrix3066well Vulkan is native to Linux so most of the time you get better performance, not sure why doom eternal decides to be lower, sometimes that just kinda happens.
@@RetroDelete because doom eternal doesn't have native linux support
it runs through proton
@@nyvyme oh yah, true, thanks :D
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really nice video dude, and also great methodologies for the tests, please keep the nice work
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Good content bro, did you use gamescope or gamemode? Proton version? I read that The tkg kernel improves performance a lot but it takes too long to compile. I haven't tried it. I had very good performance experiences with Bazzite. Keep it up👍
Thanks! Yes, I used gamemode and the proton version was the experimental one. I tested the gamescope on Arch and the performance was the same, so I left it disabled.
@@LinuxMadeEZHave you actually added your user to the gamemode group? 🗿
hey, thanks for the info! I have to try that setup
@@LinuxMadeEZu use gamemode with corectrl CPU performance mode?
I heard there can be a conflicts
the fact that they are so close is actually impressive, especially for the wine ones, while minecraft is already runing in a java vm in both systems, but in linux I think it uses openjdk, that has better performance and integration in the kernel.
On older pcs a good reason to switch to linux is that the gpu stops receiving official updates on win, but it gets community updates on linux, that's how I can still use mine, otherwise I'd be stuck to a driver 4 years old.
On some systems it also gets more features than the official one, like the gpu in apple silicon, that is far more performant in linux
I've been playing on linux for some time but then I decided to go back on windows. If you play online games you'll find for sure a game that doesn't work. Performance can be good (as the video shows) but people shouldn't focus on avg fps, 1% lows and even 0.1% lows are also important, in fact on linux I had pretty much the same performance I had on windows but the frametime was just a mess and even 120fps felt laggy (less smooth than windows) on my 165hz monitor sometimes.
Please use Wayland for a less laggy experience
Maybe because you dont use gpl in RADV driver , or have nvidia. I have nvidia 1660s and looking some stutters , cause nvidia driver sucks. Maybe on amd with RADV 0.1% and 1%. much better then nvidia , i dont know...
@@nullux1166 I have a 6700xt so AMD. I tried changing drivers even installing proprietary blobs. As for distros I used Ubuntu 20/24, nobara 39/40 (that comes with gaming oriented tweaks) and Manjaro. Windows always runs better.
Even in games that had high 0.1% and 1% the games felt less smooth than windows in fact the frame time on mangohud was just a mess.
@@nullux1166 I have a 6700xt so AMD GPU. I tried using different versions and I even installed proprietary blobs. I've used Ubuntu, nobara (that comes with gaming oriented twaks) and Manjaro. I've noticed that even in games where I have a high 0.1% and 1%, the frame time on mangohud is just a mess.
For me even getting 70% of the performance on windows would have been okay enough to switch, Arch exceeded my expectations and I been daily driving it since 2022.
This meets my expectations. Most games run with a few more FPS in Win7 than PopOS for me. So if I have really poor fps in PopOS, running the game in Win7 might get me that extra few valuable FPS to get it playable. This is if Win7 can even run the game, which is getting less viable over time as steadily more games require a newer Windows OS. But that never holds linux back as it can run any game targetting any Windows version (unless it is straight up garbage performance from ProtonDB and/or runs incompatible Kernal anti cheat).
Stop POP OS ltt,stop,use Mint beach!
Other testing I've seen suggests i3 is (counter-intuitively) _less_ performant than alternatives. In particular, recent gnome desktops on xorg seem to perform best.
Wayland still trails xorg, but in theory should overtake it in time.
The yet to be mainlined NTSYNC kernel patch should be a game changer (pun intended). Once it's merged, any testing done previously will be outdated. So take all results until then with a grain of salt.
Generalmente los juegos que utilizan Proton se ven algo afectados en rendimiento. Si tienes una buena PC la pérdida de FPS es relativamente insignificante. Sin embargo, los juegos que utilizan OpenGL o (en especial) Vulkan nativo (no las implementaciones de DirectX a Vulkan como DXVK) tienen un muy buen rendimiento, incluso podrían llegar a superar a una instalación de Windows con DirectX 11 & 12.
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Generally, games that use Proton are somewhat affected in performance. If you have a good PC the FPS loss is relatively insignificant. However, games that use OpenGL or (especially) native Vulkan (not DirectX to Vulkan implementations like DXVK) perform very well, even outperforming a Windows installation with DirectX 11 & 12.
Good content , Myabe you could make a video comparing gaming performance of lightweight custom windows iso like xos with linux It would be owsm video to see
Thanks for the recommendation. I've already considered that. The problem is that many people don't trust these modified Windows ISOs. Perhaps using optimization scripts on a clean Windows installation would be a better option.
Wow actually beats windows in some cases.
lol copium
@@MagikGimpcopium for what? mf is just saying anything these days lol
you should know linux isnt made for gaming, and that the fps is SO IMPRESSIVE since win games are sort of emulated, the performance is crazy edit: oh and i hate windows but yoi should optimize windows you would get like 1,5 more fps
uhuh tell that to SteamOS
@@NumeroSMG i mean most linux distros
NTsync bout to make linux utterly STOMP windows into the ground gaming performance wise for the forseeable future, can't wait for those performance gains to pull linux ahead of windows in many more games.
Performance tweak u do only with core ctrl?
thats a lot better :)
i use arch btw
Any game I try on my nongaming laptop runs 100x times better on linux
x11 or wayland?
X11
@@LinuxMadeEZ maybe down the road when Nvidia releases driver 560 for linux you could redo the test with wayland. I'm using the 555.58 drivers with wayland and seeing almost 10 percent less cpu usage in games so it might be worth a test. * never mind i just looked again and you have an ATI card so you dont need to care about Nvidia drivers lol.
It would've been much higher if you actually took time into optimizing the system and the kernel.
i dont know how to optimize my system or the kernel and i would expect the ditro maintainer to ship an already optimized os
Yeah, but Windows can also be optimized, so unless you're giving both roughly equal time that's unfair to do. Linux takes more time to set up to begin with, even if it's comparable nowadays.
And no, SteamOS is also not flawless in that regard. I take the occasional broken registry over kaput Wine on there.
@@gregsar1321 Optimization varies on hardware. Distro maintainers can't compile and ship a dedicated kernel version with settings tailored to your CPU and so on, disabling the stuff you don't need. They can only apply generic optimization that'll work for most
@@whohan779 First of all, no Windows can't really be optimized as it's locked source. At most people can strip bloat ware and set some settings for performance, but they can't edit either the kernel or system
As to steamos not being flawless, no brick Sherlock. No OS is perfect and Windows is far from that title actually. And those wine kaputs and registry shenanigans are a skill issue + they can be easily and quickly fixed.
@@gregsar1321 optimization depends on hardware and use-case. Your distro can not predict your usage and exact hardware for you.
By 2030 Linux will COMPLETELY surpass Windows in gaming performance
after installing linux many times, games work bad, and this weekly i decide install again linux, BUT after watch this, NO thanks.... and all censore i tell about linux...:( also i need xbox app and microsoft store, for play xbox games! and nobody tell that i cant install microsoft store, or xbox... only tell, yes u can install every think, msi after burner, check temperature, but dont tell cant install xbox...:(
Use Nobara Linux.