I was in the middle of typing a comment that compared executive cost cutting with motion capture to generative AI, then you beat me to that exact point. Glad I didn't post that comment, otherwise I'd look like an IDIOT
I think the Doodley avatar works better as a mo-capped mascot suit than most others because it doesn't have pupils. Seeing an animated character tilt and turn their head without moving their eyeballs just reminds me of Foodfight. Also love the AI comparison, I am so tired of being prompted to use AI companions with pet names in every piece of software I touch. But when is a corporate fad not annoying lol
I get why people say the polar express was creepy, but as a kid, it was one of my favorite movies. Also the AI problem is also in programming, people EXPECT it to work, but then they have to spend a couple hours properly integrating it and it just ends up taking more time to get the same result.
Same. I think that many films couldn't really do the style well, but it works for Polar Express. It gives it this dream like quality. But more than the somewhat dated characters, the atmosphere, the music, it all feels so incredibly Christmassy.
Honest polar express and a Christmas Carol 2009 I think did a decent job with motion capture. Given there most realistic art style made the animation feel less noticeable. Also yes a Christmas Carol 2009 is one my favorite version of a Christmas carol.
I've always felt vtuber avatars looked a little uncanny, something about digital characters with realistic movement just doesn't look right. Now I finally understand why
This genuinely brought a lot of comfort to my worries of the industry. Yes AI is here to stay, but like mocap, that doesn’t mean there aren’t purposes for it. Execs just need to realize it again like they did with mocap
AI will be used for between frames; and probably reduce the man hours on a project but this was the opinion penned by (I forget his name but former Disney animator who was on PROKO, a few years ago), good for between, bad for keys & still needing touch up/review.
if i remember correctly pixar put that seal at the credits of ratatouille as a passive-agressive joke, due to happy feet winning the oscar for best animated film the year prior (beating pixar's cars) despite it being done with motion capture now i want every single animated film that comes out to include a seal of no AI-generated content
Gonna be honest, I had NO idea you used motion capture for your avatar! The performance felt so genuine because you use it so well! Great video as always!
I feel like I'm the only person who really enjoys the animation of the Polar Express, and didn't get the inhuman vibe from it people describe. But I wouldn't want it to replace hand animated projects.
I think it works in polar express and to extended a Christmas Carol is because it was going for a dream like experience and with the more relastic art style, it less distraction. To me the artstyle was more noticeable then actual movement.
I’m still very inexperienced with animation, but motion capture has been able to rapidly accelerate my abilities especially when it comes to complex poses. I’m even working on some animated films of my own at the moment :) it’s definitely just a tool to be used alongside traditional 3d animation, but I think it also has its merits as a learning tool for beginner animators and it helps make animation and filmmaking even more accessible!
Knowledge and skill is like a limit, can you hit 100% or just 90%, in terms of quality. So if you want 100%, and you have a shortcut tech that would bring you to 80%, bringing that 80 to 100 requires the same skill as making it from scratch to 100%. It kinda equals out in effort too because doing things from scratch eliminates the extra work of cleanup and interpreting the existing, subpar thing. That's why AI will never replace anything where perfect quality is needed. It will carve out it's own space but only for the slop. So anyone having a breakdown over AI, just remind yourself that in a competitive world, AI can never compete at the top. But it will dominate in low quality spaces, which has it's own implications that I don't want to go into.
Wait I’m early in the video, did you mocap yourself for this? Edit: Called it Edit 2: that comparison between the rise of motion capture and the current rise of AI is very apt. I’ve always viewed AI tools as something that will definitely become a tool in the future (even if its sources are questionable) instead of just the “output generator” that everyone is hyping it up to be.
AI brings to light the question of how much impressiveness should affect our opinion of a thing because before I knew what it looked like and could never sniff it out, I was really impressed by the visuals, but that was from the result and not an engagement with core ideas or concepts presented in the piece through the medium, and now when I see pretty much any recognizably AI thing I don't care much because it's so hard to quantify what it actually took to make it happen, and I'm recognizing now how rarely something is done with it with a purpose other than trying to impress or appeal to certain senses without putting in the fundamental work of learning the old mediums. I don't think every use of AI is going to be completely unethical or bad or stupid or what have you, but I do think using it as a primary tool appeals a lot more to the most cynical perspective of the arts than traditional planners; that there's nothing new under the sun so why not just hodge podge old stuff together, and that we can get results quickly for low cost and flip it for profit. And I think with all the tools available to individuals, every artist would be wise to look into broad indie options as a fallback or goal, not because AI is better, but because you don't want to be working for a company that thinks it is purely because then it can replace you.
What's frustrating is that AI has a massive use if companies use a small algorithm with all of their previous works they legally own to provide new hires references for what they are working on. This could be such an important technology to help in-betweeners, key framers, style sheet artist, etc. get onboarded with a company's process SO MUCH FASTER than any traditional training. They would have unlimited access to it, it could tell them where it pulled the reference and for what purpose and become comprehensive lesson on what does and does not work in certain scenes. Even if it looks like garbage it could provide invaluable data to an artist to use in their judgement of how they should handle it. But corporations don't think like that and now we have to tear this nonsense down and make new laws until they stop ruining everything.
Love the casual doodley face reveal!! MoCap is something that I'm a little unfamiliar with as someone who focuses on 2d and stop motion animation, so it was really fun to learn about. Awesome video! And congratulations on the free MoCap suit 🎉
How come no one mentioned Red Dead Redemption during this video, probably the most balanced use of mocap, the animation was so good that it was basically a playable movie.
The new Dragon Ball game actually uses motion capture, and it looks a tad bit odd bc its goku and co., but i think it can be tinkered with a bit so that it looks more like what toriyama would actually pose his characters to
Frezetta did similar with his art - more real than real; I believe they phrased it as hyper reality during the 50’s and 60’s, because artistic mediums can never capture the whole vibrancy of reality through just the medium & cameras existed so the real advantage of art was to reveal the reality that was unseen; or to make real that which is fantastic in some ways
Doodley, I don’t think generative AI will replace any form of art and media. Honestly It always has and will generate slop and force people to not be creative and steal from other’s work regardless.
Seriously, atleast motion capture atleast still has soul and human elements to it. Pure ai stuff has no soul and trying to fix the ai mistake, you just animating at that point.
one legend to another pardner. Also, I'm currently rehabilitating myself from a severe procrastination for a life of animation. Thanks for giving me a bit of a boost
Not all that important but if you know about glitch production studios and there recent shows like tadc or Murder Drones then you should look back at their early work like Meta Runners and sunset paradise both those shows also use motion capture and actually looks pretty amazing in it actually if you look back at the Murder Drone pilot it also used motion capture before they decided to change it to 3d animation, and also for that rose tinted glasses viewing on AI that is sorta becoming true cause animators are actually finding a way to use AI that for effects that actually need improvement instead of using AI to replace the people that can (Im not good at explaining but I hope you get what I mean)
Amazing video, I always love the quality content. I wished you dived deeper into the video game side of animating, maybe have an entire video about it?
Yeah, speaking of souless lately I've been seeing videos made my Corridor and other youtubers make shorts with mocap. That paired up with the use of random assets they pulled from online/use of AI really does make those videos feel off
if a pastry is handmade, its more appealing than if it was made in a factory. if a steel bolt is made in a factory it is more appealing than if it is handmade. there is a use and misuse fir everything
It's kind of a shame that this video doesn't describe the very unique intersection of use of both AI and Motion Capture that's currently going on and manages to be both practical and ethical. Pete Williams, creator of the Undergrads series for MTV, is currently experimenting with both technologies to make progress on the continuation film he's working on. He produced 3D models of the main cast as well as fed an AI production stills that were individually redrawn of the characters to create a toonshader that accurately replicates the original show's style. Obviously an amount of cleanup is still going to be necessary in the aftermath of the series production, but it's still very promising and impressive use of the tech I think more people should have their eyes on rather than the typical AI generated materials that pull indescriminately from sources without consideration for plagiarism and produce work that's very sloppy and borderline unusable.
It's cheaper to exploit animators from start to finish, than pay celebrities for weeks of motion capture on top of voice acting and then have animators do the clean up afterwards.
I shouldn't be because this game is about as well known as ones great great great grandfather in witness protection, but I am dissapointed you didn't at least mention the first ever game to utilize motion capture to the extant we see today: Normality! ruclips.net/video/2RWc5R2jYnM/видео.htmlsi=B6irpubrg_Q6x-wc The game itself isn't anything to write home about, but there are cutscenes both animated traditionally and with motion capture (with the motion capture being a solid 10 or so frames lesser than the traditional) Its a major landmark that isn't discussed enough
Artificial intelligence has no place in creating art because it doesn't have any imagination. It's all just 1s and 0s. I don't see it replacing animators, actors, storyboard artists, or any creator. It's just gonna end up just like NFTs: a costly mistake. Great video, btw.
Motion captured Doodley's movement feels too sharp at the start and end(of the action). When I think of how Doodley moves, I think of how it eases in and out.
I've used plask motion capture for a previous project. ruclips.net/video/sY14Szj1DVI/видео.html "Oh man, this is so much work, am i doing this mocap wrong?" No. That actually IS how it's done, it's just nobody shows it in the BTS. --_--;
11:08 actually most of the AIs I’ve seen barely use more natural learning algorithms, its like giving a newborn child a paint brush, all the art you can find, and then telling it to recreate the Mona Lisa. This is extremely cheap compared to using darwinian algorithm to teach the AI how to draw which would be ungodly expensive
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I was in the middle of typing a comment that compared executive cost cutting with motion capture to generative AI, then you beat me to that exact point. Glad I didn't post that comment, otherwise I'd look like an IDIOT
No reply’s?guss I’m the 1st reply.
its the guy!
I think the Doodley avatar works better as a mo-capped mascot suit than most others because it doesn't have pupils. Seeing an animated character tilt and turn their head without moving their eyeballs just reminds me of Foodfight.
Also love the AI comparison, I am so tired of being prompted to use AI companions with pet names in every piece of software I touch. But when is a corporate fad not annoying lol
I get why people say the polar express was creepy, but as a kid, it was one of my favorite movies. Also the AI problem is also in programming, people EXPECT it to work, but then they have to spend a couple hours properly integrating it and it just ends up taking more time to get the same result.
Same. I think that many films couldn't really do the style well, but it works for Polar Express. It gives it this dream like quality.
But more than the somewhat dated characters, the atmosphere, the music, it all feels so incredibly Christmassy.
I adore The Polar Express.
Honest polar express and a Christmas Carol 2009 I think did a decent job with motion capture. Given there most realistic art style made the animation feel less noticeable.
Also yes a Christmas Carol 2009 is one my favorite version of a Christmas carol.
I can't believe jar jar binks was the catalyst of vtubers
Another reason to hate him
I've always felt vtuber avatars looked a little uncanny, something about digital characters with realistic movement just doesn't look right. Now I finally understand why
This genuinely brought a lot of comfort to my worries of the industry. Yes AI is here to stay, but like mocap, that doesn’t mean there aren’t purposes for it. Execs just need to realize it again like they did with mocap
AI will be used for between frames; and probably reduce the man hours on a project but this was the opinion penned by (I forget his name but former Disney animator who was on PROKO, a few years ago), good for between, bad for keys & still needing touch up/review.
@@yogeybogeybear3542I think the only Disney animator that’s been on Proko is Aaron Blaise
not to mention “genAI” and “AI assistant tool” are more-or-less two things lumped in the same category
Fun fact: Tom Hanks did a lot of face capture for the kids in the polar express which could be a large contributor to why it looks the way it does
Haven’t finished the video yet, but it’d be hilarious if Doodley motion captured himself for the entire video.
Hehehehe
YOU WERE RIGHT LET’S GO
i think he actually is
That’s really funny you said that then it actually happened
it might seem crazy what im bout to say
The fact they had to put a seal of approval at the end of a movie's credits to say that there was no motion capture is honestly wild 😭
if i remember correctly pixar put that seal at the credits of ratatouille as a passive-agressive joke, due to happy feet winning the oscar for best animated film the year prior (beating pixar's cars) despite it being done with motion capture
now i want every single animated film that comes out to include a seal of no AI-generated content
DOODLEY!! A GLORIOUS DAY IT IS NOW!
Probably because it looks uncanny and unappealing at times
Yeah
Imagine Spider Verse uses motion capture for all of the characters.
As always the problem boils down to executives trying to cut costs without understanding why those costs are there in the first place.
Gonna be honest, I had NO idea you used motion capture for your avatar! The performance felt so genuine because you use it so well!
Great video as always!
im pretty sure it was just for that section, the head looks a lot shakier than usual
Imagine asking a guy to backflip in motion capture because it's better
I feel like I'm the only person who really enjoys the animation of the Polar Express, and didn't get the inhuman vibe from it people describe. But I wouldn't want it to replace hand animated projects.
I think it works in polar express and to extended a Christmas Carol is because it was going for a dream like experience and with the more relastic art style, it less distraction. To me the artstyle was more noticeable then actual movement.
all you have to do to answer that question is look at the mocap in sonic 06
That and sonic unleashed too
@@OrimaJam yes but sonic unleashed is actually a good game (imo)
there were also some cutscenes that were also mocap in sonic adventure 2
Everyone in the mocap Sonic cutscenes moves like a toku suit actor lol
@@octavgg doesn’t matter what you think of unleashed, it still uses motion capture
This has some UNCANNY resemblances to the current AI problem. Animators now be like: "Not this sh*t again."
I’m still very inexperienced with animation, but motion capture has been able to rapidly accelerate my abilities especially when it comes to complex poses. I’m even working on some animated films of my own at the moment :) it’s definitely just a tool to be used alongside traditional 3d animation, but I think it also has its merits as a learning tool for beginner animators and it helps make animation and filmmaking even more accessible!
Knowledge and skill is like a limit, can you hit 100% or just 90%, in terms of quality. So if you want 100%, and you have a shortcut tech that would bring you to 80%, bringing that 80 to 100 requires the same skill as making it from scratch to 100%. It kinda equals out in effort too because doing things from scratch eliminates the extra work of cleanup and interpreting the existing, subpar thing. That's why AI will never replace anything where perfect quality is needed. It will carve out it's own space but only for the slop. So anyone having a breakdown over AI, just remind yourself that in a competitive world, AI can never compete at the top. But it will dominate in low quality spaces, which has it's own implications that I don't want to go into.
Wait I’m early in the video, did you mocap yourself for this?
Edit: Called it
Edit 2: that comparison between the rise of motion capture and the current rise of AI is very apt. I’ve always viewed AI tools as something that will definitely become a tool in the future (even if its sources are questionable) instead of just the “output generator” that everyone is hyping it up to be.
AI brings to light the question of how much impressiveness should affect our opinion of a thing because before I knew what it looked like and could never sniff it out, I was really impressed by the visuals, but that was from the result and not an engagement with core ideas or concepts presented in the piece through the medium, and now when I see pretty much any recognizably AI thing I don't care much because it's so hard to quantify what it actually took to make it happen, and I'm recognizing now how rarely something is done with it with a purpose other than trying to impress or appeal to certain senses without putting in the fundamental work of learning the old mediums. I don't think every use of AI is going to be completely unethical or bad or stupid or what have you, but I do think using it as a primary tool appeals a lot more to the most cynical perspective of the arts than traditional planners; that there's nothing new under the sun so why not just hodge podge old stuff together, and that we can get results quickly for low cost and flip it for profit. And I think with all the tools available to individuals, every artist would be wise to look into broad indie options as a fallback or goal, not because AI is better, but because you don't want to be working for a company that thinks it is purely because then it can replace you.
What's frustrating is that AI has a massive use if companies use a small algorithm with all of their previous works they legally own to provide new hires references for what they are working on. This could be such an important technology to help in-betweeners, key framers, style sheet artist, etc. get onboarded with a company's process SO MUCH FASTER than any traditional training.
They would have unlimited access to it, it could tell them where it pulled the reference and for what purpose and become comprehensive lesson on what does and does not work in certain scenes. Even if it looks like garbage it could provide invaluable data to an artist to use in their judgement of how they should handle it.
But corporations don't think like that and now we have to tear this nonsense down and make new laws until they stop ruining everything.
Would’ve loved to see motion captured Gimberly in this video
I’m still waiting till you hit the griddy I’ve been waiting since the ultrakill stream
Love the casual doodley face reveal!! MoCap is something that I'm a little unfamiliar with as someone who focuses on 2d and stop motion animation, so it was really fun to learn about. Awesome video! And congratulations on the free MoCap suit 🎉
Now I want to know what mocap would look like with people who are doing animation-style posing, like the TikToks that people have done
MY SENSES ARE TINGLING, I JUST WOKE UP
How come no one mentioned Red Dead Redemption during this video, probably the most balanced use of mocap, the animation was so good that it was basically a playable movie.
The new Dragon Ball game actually uses motion capture, and it looks a tad bit odd bc its goku and co., but i think it can be tinkered with a bit so that it looks more like what toriyama would actually pose his characters to
Frezetta did similar with his art - more real than real; I believe they phrased it as hyper reality during the 50’s and 60’s, because artistic mediums can never capture the whole vibrancy of reality through just the medium & cameras existed so the real advantage of art was to reveal the reality that was unseen; or to make real that which is fantastic in some ways
Just starting the video and doodley looks like hes being motion captured
I knew it
Doodley, I don’t think generative AI will replace any form of art and media. Honestly It always has and will generate slop and force people to not be creative and steal from other’s work regardless.
Seriously, atleast motion capture atleast still has soul and human elements to it. Pure ai stuff has no soul and trying to fix the ai mistake, you just animating at that point.
one legend to another pardner.
Also, I'm currently rehabilitating myself from a severe procrastination for a life of animation. Thanks for giving me a bit of a boost
Not all that important but if you know about glitch production studios and there recent shows like tadc or Murder Drones then you should look back at their early work like Meta Runners and sunset paradise both those shows also use motion capture and actually looks pretty amazing in it actually if you look back at the Murder Drone pilot it also used motion capture before they decided to change it to 3d animation, and also for that rose tinted glasses viewing on AI that is sorta becoming true cause animators are actually finding a way to use AI that for effects that actually need improvement instead of using AI to replace the people that can (Im not good at explaining but I hope you get what I mean)
Your character is doing a lot more hand movements!
If i didnt know better id say they were motion tracked!
Please do a video on animation pipeline, I've always wanted to know how studios do it
YAY NEW DOODLEY VIDEO! (we say in unison)
MONSTER HOUSE MENTION, LET'S GOOOOO-
LETS GO NEW DOODLY JUST DROPPED
You know its gonna be good day when its the weekend and doodley posted a video
Amazing video, I always love the quality content. I wished you dived deeper into the video game side of animating, maybe have an entire video about it?
babe wake up new doodley vid
Yeah, speaking of souless lately I've been seeing videos made my Corridor and other youtubers make shorts with mocap. That paired up with the use of random assets they pulled from online/use of AI really does make those videos feel off
0:38 TUNGTEN RAT MENTIONED! 💗🐭
DAD'S BACK‼️‼️
YESSS NEW VIDEO!!!
I love Motion Capture, It's my favorite animation!
It was a funny wiplash at like 3 minutes into the video when I realized they were using motion capture to animate doodley
if a pastry is handmade, its more appealing than if it was made in a factory. if a steel bolt is made in a factory it is more appealing than if it is handmade. there is a use and misuse fir everything
u make awesome vids.
also ur my fav youtuber.👍
I LOVE MONSTER HOUSE 🗣️💕🗣️💕
NEBBERCRACKER HAD THE BEST CHARACTER ARC OF THE 2000'S
It's kind of a shame that this video doesn't describe the very unique intersection of use of both AI and Motion Capture that's currently going on and manages to be both practical and ethical. Pete Williams, creator of the Undergrads series for MTV, is currently experimenting with both technologies to make progress on the continuation film he's working on. He produced 3D models of the main cast as well as fed an AI production stills that were individually redrawn of the characters to create a toonshader that accurately replicates the original show's style. Obviously an amount of cleanup is still going to be necessary in the aftermath of the series production, but it's still very promising and impressive use of the tech I think more people should have their eyes on rather than the typical AI generated materials that pull indescriminately from sources without consideration for plagiarism and produce work that's very sloppy and borderline unusable.
It's cheaper to exploit animators from start to finish, than pay celebrities for weeks of motion capture on top of voice acting and then have animators do the clean up afterwards.
30 seconds into the video and i have noticed that doodley is also being motion captured
4:24 honestly, not that bad.
I shouldn't be because this game is about as well known as ones great great great grandfather in witness protection, but I am dissapointed you didn't at least mention the first ever game to utilize motion capture to the extant we see today: Normality!
ruclips.net/video/2RWc5R2jYnM/видео.htmlsi=B6irpubrg_Q6x-wc
The game itself isn't anything to write home about, but there are cutscenes both animated traditionally and with motion capture (with the motion capture being a solid 10 or so frames lesser than the traditional) Its a major landmark that isn't discussed enough
we can’t forget the infamous 2017 gorillaz mocap figures, those things were so silly looking 😭
i wish it's not Doodley's downfall 1 min 32 views
But do the gravity gloves actually works?
Another Great Video!
Whoa das so coool!
I never knew monster house was motion captured
0:38 IRONMOUSE!!!!
9 CAMEOOOOOO
I AM STILL WAITING FOR 18
Honey wake up, new Doodly video just dropped.
Artificial intelligence has no place in creating art because it doesn't have any imagination. It's all just 1s and 0s. I don't see it replacing animators, actors, storyboard artists, or any creator. It's just gonna end up just like NFTs: a costly mistake.
Great video, btw.
Perfect video to watch while my computer renders
I have this playIng in the background as I clean motion data for a game XD
Remember what the artist can do, not what the computer does.
0:40 ironmouse mentioned
The virgin Posy AI video vs the chad Doodley AI video
Motion captured Doodley's movement feels too sharp at the start and end(of the action). When I think of how Doodley moves, I think of how it eases in and out.
ive paused to thankyou for saying "in itself" and not the unholy abomination "in and of itself"
I don’t care what anyone says, As a train enthusiast, I LOVE The Polar Express. I think it’s a genuinely great film!
Was about to go build some Lego but saw this and had to watch
Yeah i noticed that the video was motion capture fairly quickly
Short answer: It's very limited.
Let me say this:
For games that aim for realism: Yes
For cartoons that are not by any means realistic: No
New vid let’s go!
You didnt include that video in the description
From the description: Sources/citations will arrive by Monday! (I'm at Lightbox this weekend and SUPER tired.)
Under 1 hour gang
Imagine if Motion Capture was still around today.
I've used plask motion capture for a previous project.
ruclips.net/video/sY14Szj1DVI/видео.html
"Oh man, this is so much work, am i doing this mocap wrong?"
No. That actually IS how it's done, it's just nobody shows it in the BTS. --_--;
it took me 4 minutes to realize doodley was using motion capture (bro explained it right after lol)
The CalArts Video for Those Looking:
ruclips.net/video/YA7V6fwzJtI/видео.html
💥
We've also been here before when Digital Art first became a thing.
Yippee!!!! new doodley vid!!! :D
hmmm… motion captured doodley talking about motion capture…
The video seriousely dropped when i was mocaping things.
You're not a marshmallow IRL?!
THE DOODLER
Kewl
because .. it looks crepy,, on .. sonic .
I wonder if they can motion capture smears
Why always these damn iPhones for every face tracking thing?
Doodly moment
11:08 actually most of the AIs I’ve seen barely use more natural learning algorithms, its like giving a newborn child a paint brush, all the art you can find, and then telling it to recreate the Mona Lisa. This is extremely cheap compared to using darwinian algorithm to teach the AI how to draw which would be ungodly expensive
Hi
So what you’re saying is AI art is the result of Jar Jar Binks existing? Curse you Jar Jar!