I met a macros guy who has perfect geese executions and he never miss one combo or raging storm... HOWEVER, he didn't know how to break throws, block lows or even punish well. So he never won a single round!. I still appreciate mix-box and any controller make this game easier..... But knowledge is very important in TK7.
MadmanGoneMad2012 so he is a pro and he deserves to be a good high-rank player in the game. Also, you forgot.. memorizing all frame data and proper punishments.. but how long it is going to take to master these things? This is the 1m$ question
wanted to make this reply myself. just tonight i fought a 600+ win heihachi.... never missed a single electric, could do perfect back dashes, made me wonder if he was using macros. still gave him a good fight with my 30 win jack i've been playing for handful of nights. i'd wager that technical input is like 25% of the skill in tekken at best
Finger fatigue is a big issue for me when i first bought tekken 7 and had nothing but a keyboard to play with. Back dashing in general puts quite a strain on my fingers and wrist. P1 wave dashing is fine but P2 is a whole other thing to learn. Once i picked up a stick, yeah it took long to get used to, but it ended up feeling more natural to use
The reason why your backdash technique works is because the MixBox is equipped with a protection to avoid pressing left+right or up+down at the same time, because some games (esp the 2D ones) can take advantage of it. As such, pressing right while holding left = neutral. As simple as that 😁 This is what is called a SOCD cleaner.
Yes, and that's a good thing. Makes it easier for new players to get into the game, if anyone hates on it because" it's too easy" they seriously need to stop
Riahisama Well, it presents a serious balance problem. If everyone can do iSW, iWR2, and Taunt Jest Upper, then all of these characters become stupidly OP
Peter Fitzsimmons honestly iwr2 isn't that hard in the first place. I'd say drag is still a pretty dumb char without it. And even with simplified inputs, TJU will always be hard, because it's still frame perfect. T,B+4 is still hard, but the input is still easy. The input is not what makes taunt moves hard, it's timing
i play on keyboard and i can tell u that it is that easy seriously xD , HOWEVER it isn't the real kbd u would see from pro's(even tho the inputs are the same) so basically even we have to use the normal way of learning kbd if we wanna play on a competitive level. note: reason why i'm saying that it isn't the real kbd is simple. u can't do it fast enough for it too look like a natural kbd where the character doesn't even go down. even TMM needs to use both hands for it to come out + it's no where near his usual kbd's
got about 300h of keyboard experience in tekken 7 with Steve and just learned Shirou combo (ext dck+1) learning the iWS wasn't that easy tbh i tried to learn it when i had about 200h and i couldn't do it once (tried it for 2h) .>
The Old Man in me does not like these new input devices making things immensely easier... But the Realist in me appreciates them for allowing new players to come in & play
It clearly cuts the learning curve on some inputs, and makes others just straight up easier. But taken overall, and once you're good, it's probably only incrementally better than a stick at best. I'm completely speculating, but I have to think that if it was all huge advantages and zero disadvantage in any area, you'd see wider adoption at tournaments. None of the big name pros use one as far as I'm aware, and you'd think at least one would make the switch. Cutting the learning curve without giving some broken unfair advantage is only a good thing imo
As someone who had never even held an arcade stick before I bought one earlier this year and having played exclusively on the PC since late 90's, keyboard feels so much more natural for me than the pad or the stick. Seriously thinking of getting one of these.
Well most of the top players cut their teeth playing at arcades, and many in Japan and Korea still do play at the arcade where obviously you can't use a device like this. As time goes on, it's more likely that we'll see more people using a device like this or the Hitbox, though it'll still be a minority simply due to the initial cost of such a device.
the same advantages can be found on a keyboard, which is an older input device than a joystick. don't fall for this "mixbox" scam! it is basically a very expensive keyboard wrapped up in the packaging of a stick, and you can't actually use it to type words!
Top players are korean and japanese, and korean and japanese players can't play on keyboard because they normally play in arcades. If you go onto a korean player's stream or a japanese player's stream on twitch and ask them if online tekken is good they will tell you no and to go to an arcade. Hence most Koreans and Japanese only really know how to play on stick since you can't plug your controller into the cabinet, they are literally forced to play stick.
What he was showing you with the backdash is slightly misleading. Using two hands to backdash is great. It's fast, easy. But using two hands means you don't actually have a hand free to react with a whiff punish (which is the main reason for backdashing in the first place). I've seen heaps of players that use the 2hand method and have great execution, but they have no ability to react to whiffs and actually play Tekken outside of practise mode. You can do the same thing with one hand so you keep your other hand free to whiff punish, but using 1hand method on 2p is tiring and hard as it uses your ring finger a lot. Just be aware the reality of this controller in game won't be the same as what he's showing you, which is what I was hoping he'd explain is a disadvantage.
To be fair, he doesn't have the time to learn backdashing with one hand. While I agree with you, I think the point that he's making is that learning how to backdash is easier on mixbox than stick.
Borta Maga yeah makes sense. Though backdashing on 1p is just alternating your ring and index finger - not too hard. I just don't want to see TMM start selling out and misleading his fans.
@@youronlybro9708 Exactly what I thought. Like, are people's fingers disabled that they can't use their 3 fingers? Not to mention, there's a keyboard backdash method that only uses 2 fingers. b, n, (B, bd, b), n, (repeat enclosed inputs)
Thank you! Was looking for this comment. This is basically an ad for mixbox. That's fine and all because they seem like a cool company and they make a good product. But this information is not entirely accurate.
13:02 This combo needs to be spotlighted. Its an absolutely absurd step cancel and while running combo. He perfect step cancels into jab 4 times into a literal instant while running with no delay at all.
For those of you who really think hitbox/mixbox/keyboard is not easier I will give you my perspective as I have both and believe that hitbox/mixbox/keyboard is significantly easier, and have used all three for about 2 months. The true benefit of these controllers lies in the fact that directional and movement inputs become dramatically consistent, you obviously still need to learn the timing of things. For example doing 6 electrics on Kazuya is more of a timing thing and is something that comes with understanding timing than having good inputs. Your combos will become much more consistent though once you understand timing, as I will never drop a combo on either controller and I can do max damage combos consistently because of the controllers. Now movement, again as I have said, movement inputs become easier which is the true benefit of these controllers. Movement becomes so insane, there is an Aris video where he compares Pad to Stick and says the true advantage of pad is how easy the movement is, well the advantage to a mixbox/hitbox/keyboard is that movement is even easier than pad. This is because you aren't trying to move with only your thumb but instead can use your fingers. My backdash is insanely fast I can move at the speed of light with my backdash but on stick my backdash is slightly above average. Don't forget that sidestepping also becomes easier because instead of slamming a stick up or down really fast, or having your thumb travel to up or down really fast, instead you just have to tap a button and if you use a hitbox you have two dedicated fingers for up and down buttons (Thumb and middle finger) Wavedashing as well is extremely easy as you can just do f qcf repeatedly to do so. So for those of you who really want a controller that is just very easy to use then I believe buying hitbox or mixbox is good, or just having a decent keyboard is great as well. Personally I think Hitbox is the best controller of these three as you have 4 fingers for each directions rather than 3 which is simply better ergonomics. giphy.com/gifs/tekken-backdash-3NwTI5rpvf8LSKwJPQ/fullscreen Here is a gif of my backdash on hitbox giphy.com/gifs/tHyvNYDPdQGuGjPthO/fullscreen here is on Mixbox
I'm switching from pad with mapped shoulder buttons to a custom hitbox. I'm thinking about having 4 mapped on the 3rd button on the top row. Do you have expierence with that? So you have for tekken every input at one fingertip
@@Liproqq you can do that but its really easy to hit two buttons at the same time especially with a hitbox because of ergonomics. Less buttons is more efficient in the long term because you assign one button per fingertip.
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I play on keyboard with arrow keys (you can buy a reverse edition Mixbox for the same feel) and 2P side doesn't feel awkward at all. You just need to practice.
The main things I'd want to know about mixbox: - How it compares to trying to do inputs on an actual keyboard - How it compares to using a hitbox (it's not clear to me why there'd be an advantage to this over the hitbox tbh) - Why he hasn't really used it in ranked (maybe just because he's more accustomed to stick inputs but it should still be addressed)
-It should be quite similar to do inputs on keyboard if you have mechanical keyboard except it has bigger buttons for attack buttons so it should be more comfortable. It has Red Cherry MX Mechanical Switches and Sanwa buttons according to website. -I think it is probably easier to pickup and start compared to Hitbox because pretty much everyone used to have WASD type of layout and direction placement make sense.But hitbox allows you to use 4 fingers for directions so it might be better in longer run. -Mixbox Arcade sends free Mixbox to him and other people who are famous in fighting game communities and asks them to do review.They might be also paying though idk if they pay for it.So he wouldnt do bad review about it.Also i believe he would play worse if he used Mixbox for few months at least.Combos and hard stuff might be easier to perform on Mixbox but its not easy to switch console.I use pad and i had mechanical keyboard,so i tried using it back then.I could backdash and do some moves better in "practice mode" But i cant play my best in actual match,so i gave up playing on keyboard.
It isnt a WASD layout, its the arrow key layout - in case you didnt notice the W is slightly to the left side of the S while Arrow keys are perfectly straight ahead
Labrador Dali How can u punish when u have both of your hands on the directional pad? U can’t. Tmm is being a sellout and is not showing the HUGE side affects on the mixbox.
As a keyboard user who has a whopping 130 hours in Tekken in my entire life, I'm doing electrics and instant f,f moves very consistently even on 3 bar connections, If this thing is as I assume it is, without a standard laptop keyboard's ghosting or input delay limitations when pressing a lot of buttons, I can definitely believe that this thing is fully capable of giving pro players absolute consistency on anything, so much so that using this might even slightly affect tier lists imo
Im a keyboard user with 800 hours and i practise electrics often, and i can still rarely do them. Either youre lying or there is some technique here that im missing
@@KDBSPORTS_ENT not really tekkens a multiplat game on PC now, most of the world outside of NA/EU is dominated by PC because consoles are inaccessible or expensive or just unpopular, KB is the default controls for a PC and a mixbox is just a keyboard in the form of an arcade stick
I bought one after ur initial review of this because of how much Minecraft and pc games in general I’ve played I figured this would help my inputs and stop accidentally jumping and stuff. I have 2 sticks and played on pad for a while and after trying this I am never going back. It is really nice. But for those wanting to buy one just know that it’s made in Hong Kong which means it will be $70 usd shipping fee making it $320 usd total. Not sure about our European brothers.
@Ruben Hernandez your keyboard needs nkro n key roll over so it doesn't ghost. Most membrane keyboards don't have this. Buy a better keyboard (mechanical or topre)or buy a mixbox (I'd go with a better keyboard since it does wonders for your typing too)
I just love the feel of an Arcade Stick. I wouldn't switch. For me, that's the controller the game was designed for. I think, if the fighting scene grows further and EVO gets bigger, we have to have a conversation about which controllers are legal and which are not. I saw Pros playing on a DS4 and using the analog stick as a additional buffer for certain techniques. I do think skill ultimately out ways these advantages. But still. We gotta have a level playing field.
Honestly mental skill matters more than mechanical skill. No matter how much electrics one can land with a mixbox, if they cant block a predictable low then theyre trash.
@@Sutobuto I'd agree in Tekken. But certain other fighting games have mechanics that can be easily exploited with a mixbox. I believe there is one in Street Fighter where, after a certain move, the ability to press two opposite directions at the same time with a mixbox/Dualshock can allow you to instantly block an otherwise unsafe move. That's where I think the controller you use should be restricted to the ones the game was designed for.
I bought one of these, the PCB is cable tied to a piece of plast in which a single hole is drilled through and a nut and bolt holding it down This was snapped. Not a delivery error, as the case (the best aspect of the device) is metal. Though the case was terribly protecxted with loose torn pieces of polystyrene wedged in and around the box. The left arrow key was broken as well, this required changing. Description on the product is vague to mislead you into believing it's full sanwa, that only the face buttons were sanwa (I am still unsure if this is the case, as they're taller than any other sanwa I have used before) As per their terms and conditions I can get a full refund barring the £30 tax I paid, and the return shipping of £40 and any other taxes returning to China (even though it's all their fault) As a collector I STRONGLY advise against this, the unit is way too expensive for what it is at $250 for a fixer upper. Do not fall for the hype. Learn from my mistake.
Yeah .. but also mixbox and keyboard seem easier at first because you can do quarter circles and other techs easily.. but the efficiency curve declines pretty quickly.. Because no matter how hard you try your fingers can't get faster than a certain speed.. also your fingers get tired much faster than on stick Wavedash is really hard and tiring on keyboard/mixbox.. especially on p2
Two-handed EWGF should probably be mentioned as one of the advanced techniques here, it straight up makes player 1 electrics easy. It's probably more comfortable to do on a regular hitbox than on a mixbox due to button placement, but I can do this stuff on keyboard, so there shouldn't be anything stopping you from doing it on a mixbox.
If you ask me, the WASD layout should be the standard for traditional fighting games. I don't see the point of a 360 degree stick in games where there isn't 360 degree analog control; having clearly defined directional controls is far more intuitive and just makes sense. Also it's curious that Geese' half circle inputs seem to work when you do it like that, because you're not hitting the diagonals at all. This doesn't work for giant swing/tijuana or Gigas overkill and probably any other half circle throw. You have to the the diagonals as well which makes it significantly easier to mess up. For Giant Swing on 1p with WASD you have to do: D, A, A+S, S, S+D, D. It's very easy to miss a diagonal when doing so. I can do it more consistently on stick than I can on keyboard and I rarely use my stick.
Daedric Well, I tried my keyboard after this video and I had no problem doing what you said. You just have to transition between each key, don't release A until you press the S and then don't release the S until you press the D.
Yeah I don't necessarily think it's super hard or anything. I Just think TMM was misrepresenting it; it's not as easy as he was making it look in this video. Every HCF or HCB I tried did not work the way he did it, *except* with Geese who seems to have different input parameters. He shouldn't be advertising it in the way he did because it's misleading.
Daedric I misunderstood you, my bad. This video is definitely a sellout, maybe he didn't have enough with the money he got to go to EVO (which he didn't go to).
Note that anything requiring a down to up input generally is a pain in the ass to do with the arrow key layout since you have to move a finger off something else to hit it. Not the end of the world for most games/characters, but while 180s are ez mode 360s are hard.
I love my Mixbox, it feels perfect for every game, and it's pretty damn comfy. JF OTGF feels so good to do. I had to get the right handed version, but damned if it's not a worthy purchase.
I grew with consoles with Tekken but later moved to PC so when fighting games started coming out on PC I was super hyped and since I didn't have a controller, I had to rely on the keyboard. It's such a big advantage with he only problem being ghosting. If you had a cheap keyboard you had to set up your controls just right so that you aren't hitting keys that don't register at the same time. SFV on PC is a special kind of garbage if you have a cheap keyboard or even your default laptop keyboard. Game requires you to press 3 buttons at the same time, you can't hold back and throw because that you meant you had to press 3 buttons and since SFV does this stupid thing where you are given the same number of buttons as a controller you can't map a throw button without sacrificng a 3P or 3K button, which is also essential for most characters. The mixbox may be a good alternative to anti ghosting keyboards. Especially if you feel the keys are too small. I personally like using space for up or to jump. So I don't see a point in using the mixbox over a keyboard but I still think these types of input devices should still be allowed. If it's on PC you have to accept the default form of input just like we did when fighting games went from arcade to consoles. The only thing I'm not a fan of is making left + right or up + down neutral. SOCD input. In Street Fighter there are so many alternate forms of input thanks to that. Games already have built in logic so you don't get a back and forward input at the same time to account for keyboards. I believe in this game the last direction you pressed takes priority. But the mixbox makes it neutral so, that is a tournament ban for me. It's not standard keyboard stuff and most games don't default to neutral if you press back and forward at the same time on the keyboard. If the game did default to neutral I would allow it. It's only an advantage if it provides benefits and not default form of input which the whole socd thing kinda is.
shoryuken.com/2018/08/18/mixbox-showcases-street-fighter-v-character-combos-and-discusses-their-new-socd-switch/ There is a new feature that enable to choose the mode SOCD. the SOCD switch has multiple settings, allowing two keyboard inputs to be read as neutral, upwards, or forwards. “When you press left, and then press right, the forward input will become neutral,” a representative explained. “When you press down and press up, the forward input will become up. Another option is, when you press left and then press right, the forward input it will become right. When you press down and press up, forward will become up, as well.” the switch is tournament legal, as consulted by staff of the Evolution Championship Series.
My son has been looking for it these kinds of arcade sticks existed. Thank you gor posting this TMM I'll be sure to show him this video! n_n Now my son can find one, pick it up and play an FG that has 6 buttons that he's always wanted to play (he could play it on pad but he isn't great at multitasking with the triggers/bumpers).
In SC2 is was possible to buffer any running or sidestepping move from a double tap in any direction. It's possible to run straight at someone and then do a double tap sideways or backwards move without having to press additional directions and with no delay.
Can you start practicing on a keyboard to get used to the mixbox? Or are there functions that only a mixbox can do? I mean in regards to the arrow keys. I tried doing the back dash cancel and maybe I'm just bad at the input but it doesn't seem to work.
Hi Superspeedstar Yes. You can start practise on keyboard. Please practise with the display with input command. Look at the wrong input that is not working and correct it. Practise more Bro!
"don't ask me why..." They made it so that R+L becomes neutral input, so if you hold R and press L for you get R, N, R that is a backdash. It's no rocket science. In some games you can block in both directions with a R+L input, so it had to be removed, but I guess one can buy this thing and cheat it.
But if you play PC, there really is no benefit in purchasing a $249 Mixbox unless you are competing at tournaments for the legality purpose (I’m not even sure how my local competitive scene would feel about the Mixbox) So based on this video, I think I am going to start using keyboard, maybe the backdash setting where it goes to neutral automatically maybe a setting within the box itself but I feel like the right coder could make a program if that would be the case to implement that to keyboard. With that all being said, I am going to try keyboard out now, but the Mixbox looks amazing this was a successful advertisement
this video is pointless for us cause MIXBOX wont ship any sticks to normal consumers, its has said PRE-ORDERS NOW OPEN FOR TWO YEARS ON THEIR SITE and every month the ship date changes to the next month. Only the most famous/important people of the FGC were lucky enough to receive the MIXBOX so i don't know whats up with this company maybe they will actually start shipping before 2019 is over, but when JANUARY 2020 rolls around and if it still says PRE-ORDERS NOW OPEN i will sell my soul to have their site destroyed!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know about Geese, but doing circle motion like for example Devil Jin's command throw isn't that easy because you have to input the diagonal notations as well which can be tricky to new players in a real match.
Yep.. there are many motions you can't do properly or cannot even do on keyboard.. and also your fingers can't be faster than a certain speed.. so picking keyboard up is easier but doesn't mean you'll get even more faster with time.. no it doesn't work like that.. on a stick however.. you constantly improve on using it
I dont want to be an ass or anything but what's the difference between this and a cross up? Both of them make execution much easier but you don't seem to be so pissed of at this. Granted that cross up does it much more but still, both makes it easier.
I think these are also very easy on mechanical control pads lik the razer raiju, or nacon revolution...these dont use the traditional membrane found in the Ds4 pads
If this design is appealing to you, then just go with the Hitbox instead, unless I'm missing something I love the idea of using keycaps so keyboard warriors can easily transition to consoles, but having the up button on top of the down button creates slow, awkward and uncomfortable inputs I think most people playing seriously on a keyboard probably remap their up button to the more ergonomic space bar so they don't have to maneuver their hand or fingers at all If this was re-released with a space bar at the bottom of the face instead of the up arrow, then I think it would become immediately more viable
@TheMainManSWE how comfortable is it for prolonged use? They've released one with a slightly angled WASD layout and I'm wondering which is better for comfort/use. Any ideas?
Sonic if king is a grapple character he should be weak in neutral and close up confrontation, but he's not. King players have the skankiest ways to make a comeback from any range that isn't far
I've always been a pad user, my sparring partner has had a few sticks over the years, but he has yet to become proficient with them. The joystick on sticks feel too loose to me and I want something that'll stick closer to a dpad setting. I'm DEFINITELY thinking about getting a Mixbox. It was also suggested that I try out a Hitbox, but I don't know if I like the up/jump button being separate from the other directional inputs.
Its really not the execution barrier that holds players back. Every blue rank can do good combos with his main character but still is stuck in blue or green. Doesnt mean that this thing looks funny af.
I remember thinking that the arrow keys are shit for fighting games back when emulators were first becoming a thing. Some keyboards are really bad because they have the maximum number of simultaneous inputs limited by hardware or firmware, making them virtually useless for gaming in general. I prefer D-pad anyway. It's just what I'm use to. Fortunately it doesn't seem to make a difference in the end (except for I can't really use arcade cabinets).
01:39 if you press: example; because the pressure in some fights: the hit button after press the last move on directional you will fail command, you know ⬇️↘️🅿️➡️, hitbox can't cover inabilities 🤣
Hey MainMan! The Mix Box looks like a super neat way to play! But how about backdashing with sway characters? Is it still easier? I main Nina and I do find it very hard to execute on a pad (even harder on stick). Does the Mix Box make backdashing with sway characters easier as well???
Yes, most if not all controllers are allowed as long as they lack macros. In case you don't know what they are, macros are essentially an input that you can map onto a button. For example, mapping a specific button to do electrics and whatnot. That isn't allowed. Things like this and even a hitbox(?) Is allowed. However, they are frowned upon, because they make the game "easier".
I thinking of getting the universal edition in a few months. Been using my keyboard on my left hand (using the arrow keys) and the buttons on my stick in my right hand to train in the mean time. Having a real difficult time pulling off giants swings but could that be because I’m using a crappy plain ghosting keyboard? I swear I hit all the directions but it almost never registers the down input unless a go slow which hinders when I want the move to come out
different things are harder on these. Imo electric easiest on hit/mixbox, on stick dps 360s and half and quarter circles are way easier and kbd is easiest on pad for me.
This is a noob question here.. Looking at the "Hardcore Akuma combo"..HOW do u actually convert into the rage art at that wall combo...do i really have to buffer that fast??
I met a macros guy who has perfect geese executions and he never miss one combo or raging storm... HOWEVER, he didn't know how to break throws, block lows or even punish well. So he never won a single round!.
I still appreciate mix-box and any controller make this game easier..... But knowledge is very important in TK7.
Maher I agree. Even if you have the execution to do whatever combo, you still have three million things to learn
At the end of the day, knowledge is the most important weapon in most situations, including videogames.
MadmanGoneMad2012 so he is a pro and he deserves to be a good high-rank player in the game. Also, you forgot.. memorizing all frame data and proper punishments.. but how long it is going to take to master these things? This is the 1m$ question
MadmanGoneMad2012 nightmare
wanted to make this reply myself. just tonight i fought a 600+ win heihachi.... never missed a single electric, could do perfect back dashes, made me wonder if he was using macros. still gave him a good fight with my 30 win jack i've been playing for handful of nights. i'd wager that technical input is like 25% of the skill in tekken at best
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One of the most chill tracks on Tekken 4. Along with Authentic Sky.
I agree completely with you.
Finger fatigue is a big issue for me when i first bought tekken 7 and had nothing but a keyboard to play with. Back dashing in general puts quite a strain on my fingers and wrist. P1 wave dashing is fine but P2 is a whole other thing to learn. Once i picked up a stick, yeah it took long to get used to, but it ended up feeling more natural to use
OH MY GOD I HAVE THE SAME PAIN WITH P2 WAVEDASHING, it's so weird, uncomfortable and annoying
Yo mainmam, what is this 10mins ad that im seeing here.
did you watch the whole ad? 😂
The reason why your backdash technique works is because the MixBox is equipped with a protection to avoid pressing left+right or up+down at the same time, because some games (esp the 2D ones) can take advantage of it. As such, pressing right while holding left = neutral. As simple as that 😁
This is what is called a SOCD cleaner.
Yeah tell that to my old rubber pad keyboard which works yeah sure protection making stuff up, knock it off it's just simple pressing.
Keyboard and Hitbox can also make use of this for simpler KBDs
@@FreeAudio what're you trying to say?? SOCD is a genuine thing lol you can look it up
That backdash cancel can be learned within seconds with mixbox ? Damn !
Yes, and that's a good thing. Makes it easier for new players to get into the game, if anyone hates on it because" it's too easy" they seriously need to stop
Riahisama Well, it presents a serious balance problem. If everyone can do iSW, iWR2, and Taunt Jest Upper, then all of these characters become stupidly OP
Peter Fitzsimmons honestly iwr2 isn't that hard in the first place. I'd say drag is still a pretty dumb char without it. And even with simplified inputs, TJU will always be hard, because it's still frame perfect. T,B+4 is still hard, but the input is still easy. The input is not what makes taunt moves hard, it's timing
i play on keyboard and i can tell u that it is that easy seriously xD ,
HOWEVER it isn't the real kbd u would see from pro's(even tho the inputs are the same) so basically even we have to use the normal way of learning kbd if we wanna play on a competitive level.
note: reason why i'm saying that it isn't the real kbd is simple. u can't do it fast enough for it too look like a natural kbd where the character doesn't even go down. even TMM needs to use both hands for it to come out + it's no where near his usual kbd's
got about 300h of keyboard experience in tekken 7 with Steve and just learned Shirou combo (ext dck+1) learning the iWS wasn't that easy tbh i tried to learn it when i had about 200h and i couldn't do it once (tried it for 2h) .>
11:13, besides the first few bryan combos you did at 6:00, that is now my favorite combo in tekken. It just flows so smoothly it’s great! Great video!
The Old Man in me does not like these new input devices making things immensely easier...
But the Realist in me appreciates them for allowing new players to come in & play
It clearly cuts the learning curve on some inputs, and makes others just
straight up easier. But taken overall, and once you're good, it's probably
only incrementally better than a stick at best. I'm completely speculating, but I have to think that if it was all huge advantages and zero disadvantage in any area, you'd see wider adoption at tournaments. None of the big name pros use one as far as I'm aware, and you'd think at least one would make the switch. Cutting the learning curve without giving some broken unfair advantage is only a good thing imo
As someone who had never even held an arcade stick before I bought one earlier this year and having played exclusively on the PC since late 90's, keyboard feels so much more natural for me than the pad or the stick. Seriously thinking of getting one of these.
Well most of the top players cut their teeth playing at arcades, and many in Japan and Korea still do play at the arcade where obviously you can't use a device like this.
As time goes on, it's more likely that we'll see more people using a device like this or the Hitbox, though it'll still be a minority simply due to the initial cost of such a device.
the same advantages can be found on a keyboard, which is an older input device than a joystick.
don't fall for this "mixbox" scam! it is basically a very expensive keyboard wrapped up in the packaging of a stick, and you can't actually use it to type words!
Top players are korean and japanese, and korean and japanese players can't play on keyboard because they normally play in arcades. If you go onto a korean player's stream or a japanese player's stream on twitch and ask them if online tekken is good they will tell you no and to go to an arcade. Hence most Koreans and Japanese only really know how to play on stick since you can't plug your controller into the cabinet, they are literally forced to play stick.
What he was showing you with the backdash is slightly misleading. Using two hands to backdash is great. It's fast, easy. But using two hands means you don't actually have a hand free to react with a whiff punish (which is the main reason for backdashing in the first place). I've seen heaps of players that use the 2hand method and have great execution, but they have no ability to react to whiffs and actually play Tekken outside of practise mode.
You can do the same thing with one hand so you keep your other hand free to whiff punish, but using 1hand method on 2p is tiring and hard as it uses your ring finger a lot.
Just be aware the reality of this controller in game won't be the same as what he's showing you, which is what I was hoping he'd explain is a disadvantage.
To be fair, he doesn't have the time to learn backdashing with one hand. While I agree with you, I think the point that he's making is that learning how to backdash is easier on mixbox than stick.
Borta Maga yeah makes sense. Though backdashing on 1p is just alternating your ring and index finger - not too hard. I just don't want to see TMM start selling out and misleading his fans.
C0rnwallace you can use the 3 fingers on ur left hand
@@youronlybro9708 Exactly what I thought. Like, are people's fingers disabled that they can't use their 3 fingers?
Not to mention, there's a keyboard backdash method that only uses 2 fingers.
b, n, (B, bd, b), n, (repeat enclosed inputs)
Thank you! Was looking for this comment. This is basically an ad for mixbox. That's fine and all because they seem like a cool company and they make a good product. But this information is not entirely accurate.
13:02
This combo needs to be spotlighted.
Its an absolutely absurd step cancel and while running combo. He perfect step cancels into jab 4 times into a literal instant while running with no delay at all.
For those of you who really think hitbox/mixbox/keyboard is not easier I will give you my perspective as I have both and believe that hitbox/mixbox/keyboard is significantly easier, and have used all three for about 2 months.
The true benefit of these controllers lies in the fact that directional and movement inputs become dramatically consistent, you obviously still need to learn the timing of things. For example doing 6 electrics on Kazuya is more of a timing thing and is something that comes with understanding timing than having good inputs. Your combos will become much more consistent though once you understand timing, as I will never drop a combo on either controller and I can do max damage combos consistently because of the controllers.
Now movement, again as I have said, movement inputs become easier which is the true benefit of these controllers. Movement becomes so insane, there is an Aris video where he compares Pad to Stick and says the true advantage of pad is how easy the movement is, well the advantage to a mixbox/hitbox/keyboard is that movement is even easier than pad. This is because you aren't trying to move with only your thumb but instead can use your fingers. My backdash is insanely fast I can move at the speed of light with my backdash but on stick my backdash is slightly above average. Don't forget that sidestepping also becomes easier because instead of slamming a stick up or down really fast, or having your thumb travel to up or down really fast, instead you just have to tap a button and if you use a hitbox you have two dedicated fingers for up and down buttons (Thumb and middle finger) Wavedashing as well is extremely easy as you can just do f qcf repeatedly to do so. So for those of you who really want a controller that is just very easy to use then I believe buying hitbox or mixbox is good, or just having a decent keyboard is great as well.
Personally I think Hitbox is the best controller of these three as you have 4 fingers for each directions rather than 3 which is simply better ergonomics.
giphy.com/gifs/tekken-backdash-3NwTI5rpvf8LSKwJPQ/fullscreen Here is a gif of my backdash on hitbox
giphy.com/gifs/tHyvNYDPdQGuGjPthO/fullscreen here is on Mixbox
I'm switching from pad with mapped shoulder buttons to a custom hitbox. I'm thinking about having 4 mapped on the 3rd button on the top row. Do you have expierence with that? So you have for tekken every input at one fingertip
@@Liproqq
you can do that but its really easy to hit two buttons at the same time especially with a hitbox because of ergonomics. Less buttons is more efficient in the long term because you assign one button per fingertip.
As much as i want one i can't warrant spending 350+ in aud for it
If you are really considering it try a Odin mod
I didn't realize there was a combo vid at the end of this, very nice
or just use the keyboard you already have
my keyboard is part of my laptop, and it don't got sanwa buttons.
Some keyboard doesnt support 3 or more inputs at the same time. Its called keyboard ghosting.
NETHURETA i had that issue than i bought logitech g413 u can put 27 inputs at same time xd
You need an anti-ghosting keyboard, though, most keyboards have ghosting
tourneys are on console , u cant connect a keyboard with the console
seeing Jin's $100 combos consistently is convincing
Wow ! Results are great ! Thank you for the video and a link to purchase one is description would be a cherry on cake.
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on 1P side its really good but on 2P side its really feels awkward for the left hand
The Container exactly as you can see mainman only did 1 combo on 2P side
I play on keyboard with arrow keys (you can buy a reverse edition Mixbox for the same feel) and 2P side doesn't feel awkward at all. You just need to practice.
Not really, I play on keyboard and with just a bit of practice it works just fine.
I think that situation is worse on pad and stick
@Smoove got a feeling that guitar players won't have that issue
Damn this is crazy, it’s crazy, damn, and here I am for 3 hours on certain days of the week practicing wavedash and electrics lol
You're still gonna have to do this with Keyboard
2:36 the voice change lol
“that’s it” ... “SO THE POINT IM TRYING TO MAKE”
Lmao
The main things I'd want to know about mixbox:
- How it compares to trying to do inputs on an actual keyboard
- How it compares to using a hitbox (it's not clear to me why there'd be an advantage to this over the hitbox tbh)
- Why he hasn't really used it in ranked (maybe just because he's more accustomed to stick inputs but it should still be addressed)
-It should be quite similar to do inputs on keyboard if you have mechanical keyboard except it has bigger buttons for attack buttons so it should be more comfortable. It has Red Cherry MX Mechanical Switches and Sanwa buttons according to website.
-I think it is probably easier to pickup and start compared to Hitbox because pretty much everyone used to have WASD type of layout and direction placement make sense.But hitbox allows you to use 4 fingers for directions so it might be better in longer run.
-Mixbox Arcade sends free Mixbox to him and other people who are famous in fighting game communities and asks them to do review.They might be also paying though idk if they pay for it.So he wouldnt do bad review about it.Also i believe he would play worse if he used Mixbox for few months at least.Combos and hard stuff might be easier to perform on Mixbox but its not easy to switch console.I use pad and i had mechanical keyboard,so i tried using it back then.I could backdash and do some moves better in "practice mode" But i cant play my best in actual match,so i gave up playing on keyboard.
It isnt a WASD layout, its the arrow key layout - in case you didnt notice the W is slightly to the left side of the S while Arrow keys are perfectly straight ahead
Labrador Dali How can u punish when u have both of your hands on the directional pad? U can’t. Tmm is being a sellout and is not showing the HUGE side affects on the mixbox.
Raof Al Halafi
You could just backdash with one hand.
@ufi125 you don't need two hands to whiff punish
As a keyboard user who has a whopping 130 hours in Tekken in my entire life, I'm doing electrics and instant f,f moves very consistently even on 3 bar connections, If this thing is as I assume it is, without a standard laptop keyboard's ghosting or input delay limitations when pressing a lot of buttons, I can definitely believe that this thing is fully capable of giving pro players absolute consistency on anything, so much so that using this might even slightly affect tier lists imo
You mean it be unfair 😏
Im a keyboard user with 800 hours and i practise electrics often, and i can still rarely do them. Either youre lying or there is some technique here that im missing
@@KDBSPORTS_ENT not really tekkens a multiplat game on PC now, most of the world outside of NA/EU is dominated by PC because consoles are inaccessible or expensive or just unpopular, KB is the default controls for a PC and a mixbox is just a keyboard in the form of an arcade stick
WOWWWWW I didn’t know you had a vid up like this
Super Akouma definitely watched this errrday
It really surprises me that you still have not checked out the hitbox yet.
Id like to watch you play online with the mixbox.
Idk why but he play a very electric -less kazuya on mixbox.. also wavedash is hard especially on p2 .. your fingers get tired much faster
I bought one after ur initial review of this because of how much Minecraft and pc games in general I’ve played I figured this would help my inputs and stop accidentally jumping and stuff. I have 2 sticks and played on pad for a while and after trying this I am never going back. It is really nice. But for those wanting to buy one just know that it’s made in Hong Kong which means it will be $70 usd shipping fee making it $320 usd total. Not sure about our European brothers.
I have a budget mixbox.
its called a keyboard...
same here :D
its not even in the same ball park LMAO
@Ruben Hernandez your keyboard needs nkro n key roll over so it doesn't ghost. Most membrane keyboards don't have this. Buy a better keyboard (mechanical or topre)or buy a mixbox (I'd go with a better keyboard since it does wonders for your typing too)
Same here. It's called a PS4 controller
I just love the feel of an Arcade Stick. I wouldn't switch. For me, that's the controller the game was designed for. I think, if the fighting scene grows further and EVO gets bigger, we have to have a conversation about which controllers are legal and which are not. I saw Pros playing on a DS4 and using the analog stick as a additional buffer for certain techniques. I do think skill ultimately out ways these advantages. But still. We gotta have a level playing field.
Honestly mental skill matters more than mechanical skill. No matter how much electrics one can land with a mixbox, if they cant block a predictable low then theyre trash.
@@Sutobuto I'd agree in Tekken. But certain other fighting games have mechanics that can be easily exploited with a mixbox. I believe there is one in Street Fighter where, after a certain move, the ability to press two opposite directions at the same time with a mixbox/Dualshock can allow you to instantly block an otherwise unsafe move. That's where I think the controller you use should be restricted to the ones the game was designed for.
If they make a version with a Sega Astro or Namco Noir (Tekken arcade) button layout, I'd be all over it.
I bought one of these, the PCB is cable tied to a piece of plast in which a single hole is drilled through and a nut and bolt holding it down
This was snapped. Not a delivery error, as the case (the best aspect of the device) is metal. Though the case was terribly protecxted with loose torn pieces of polystyrene wedged in and around the box.
The left arrow key was broken as well, this required changing.
Description on the product is vague to mislead you into believing it's full sanwa, that only the face buttons were sanwa (I am still unsure if this is the case, as they're taller than any other sanwa I have used before)
As per their terms and conditions I can get a full refund barring the £30 tax I paid, and the return shipping of £40 and any other taxes returning to China (even though it's all their fault)
As a collector I STRONGLY advise against this, the unit is way too expensive for what it is at $250 for a fixer upper.
Do not fall for the hype. Learn from my mistake.
Holy fuck dude
Fuck.. I don't want to run into someone with a mixbox in a dark alley
The mixbox is really great! Greetings from Sundsvall!
I mean, there are no rules saying you have to give yourself a hard time. I'll let people use what they want.
Yeah .. but also mixbox and keyboard seem easier at first because you can do quarter circles and other techs easily.. but the efficiency curve declines pretty quickly.. Because no matter how hard you try your fingers can't get faster than a certain speed.. also your fingers get tired much faster than on stick
Wavedash is really hard and tiring on keyboard/mixbox.. especially on p2
I cant even mist step on a keyboard. Your muscle memory off the charts.
Two-handed EWGF should probably be mentioned as one of the advanced techniques here, it straight up makes player 1 electrics easy. It's probably more comfortable to do on a regular hitbox than on a mixbox due to button placement, but I can do this stuff on keyboard, so there shouldn't be anything stopping you from doing it on a mixbox.
If you ask me, the WASD layout should be the standard for traditional fighting games. I don't see the point of a 360 degree stick in games where there isn't 360 degree analog control; having clearly defined directional controls is far more intuitive and just makes sense.
Also it's curious that Geese' half circle inputs seem to work when you do it like that, because you're not hitting the diagonals at all. This doesn't work for giant swing/tijuana or Gigas overkill and probably any other half circle throw. You have to the the diagonals as well which makes it significantly easier to mess up. For Giant Swing on 1p with WASD you have to do: D, A, A+S, S, S+D, D. It's very easy to miss a diagonal when doing so. I can do it more consistently on stick than I can on keyboard and I rarely use my stick.
Daedric Well, I tried my keyboard after this video and I had no problem doing what you said. You just have to transition between each key, don't release A until you press the S and then don't release the S until you press the D.
Yeah I don't necessarily think it's super hard or anything. I Just think TMM was misrepresenting it; it's not as easy as he was making it look in this video. Every HCF or HCB I tried did not work the way he did it, *except* with Geese who seems to have different input parameters. He shouldn't be advertising it in the way he did because it's misleading.
Daedric I misunderstood you, my bad. This video is definitely a sellout, maybe he didn't have enough with the money he got to go to EVO (which he didn't go to).
Note that anything requiring a down to up input generally is a pain in the ass to do with the arrow key layout since you have to move a finger off something else to hit it. Not the end of the world for most games/characters, but while 180s are ez mode 360s are hard.
I love my Mixbox, it feels perfect for every game, and it's pretty damn comfy. JF OTGF feels so good to do. I had to get the right handed version, but damned if it's not a worthy purchase.
I grew with consoles with Tekken but later moved to PC so when fighting games started coming out on PC I was super hyped and since I didn't have a controller, I had to rely on the keyboard. It's such a big advantage with he only problem being ghosting. If you had a cheap keyboard you had to set up your controls just right so that you aren't hitting keys that don't register at the same time. SFV on PC is a special kind of garbage if you have a cheap keyboard or even your default laptop keyboard. Game requires you to press 3 buttons at the same time, you can't hold back and throw because that you meant you had to press 3 buttons and since SFV does this stupid thing where you are given the same number of buttons as a controller you can't map a throw button without sacrificng a 3P or 3K button, which is also essential for most characters. The mixbox may be a good alternative to anti ghosting keyboards. Especially if you feel the keys are too small. I personally like using space for up or to jump. So I don't see a point in using the mixbox over a keyboard but I still think these types of input devices should still be allowed. If it's on PC you have to accept the default form of input just like we did when fighting games went from arcade to consoles.
The only thing I'm not a fan of is making left + right or up + down neutral. SOCD input. In Street Fighter there are so many alternate forms of input thanks to that. Games already have built in logic so you don't get a back and forward input at the same time to account for keyboards. I believe in this game the last direction you pressed takes priority. But the mixbox makes it neutral so, that is a tournament ban for me. It's not standard keyboard stuff and most games don't default to neutral if you press back and forward at the same time on the keyboard. If the game did default to neutral I would allow it. It's only an advantage if it provides benefits and not default form of input which the whole socd thing kinda is.
shoryuken.com/2018/08/18/mixbox-showcases-street-fighter-v-character-combos-and-discusses-their-new-socd-switch/ There is a new feature that enable to choose the mode SOCD. the SOCD switch has multiple settings, allowing two keyboard inputs to be read as neutral, upwards, or forwards. “When you press left, and then press right, the forward input will become neutral,” a representative explained. “When you press down and press up, the forward input will become up. Another option is, when you press left and then press right, the forward input it will become right. When you press down and press up, forward will become up, as well.”
the switch is tournament legal, as consulted by staff of the Evolution Championship Series.
Will you be using this for now on?
I wondered the same thing when he first talked about it in a video and he didn't, so I'm guessing not
He would not use it because it’s garbage to perform good movement. Tmm is just being a sellout
@@ufi125 yeah, movement on keyboard is trash and feels even worse
My son has been looking for it these kinds of arcade sticks existed. Thank you gor posting this TMM I'll be sure to show him this video! n_n
Now my son can find one, pick it up and play an FG that has 6 buttons that he's always wanted to play (he could play it on pad but he isn't great at multitasking with the triggers/bumpers).
Adam Wizel Eat shit for life shithead
Adam Wizel You finished?
Adam Wizel Shut up you stupid bitch
Everyone talking about how it feels awkward for the left hand. Me as a left handed person: ✨“This is where I shine”✨
Great video and Reference to ARIS at Jin combo was goood :D
Mikołaj Trepka - how much was that combo worth!?!
100 Dollars :D
In SC2 is was possible to buffer any running or sidestepping move from a double tap in any direction. It's possible to run straight at someone and then do a double tap sideways or backwards move without having to press additional directions and with no delay.
I wish mixbox arcade was cheaper... I had to resort to a budget one from amazon, but so far its been good
For anyone interested : www.amazon.com/Mixbox-Arcade-Stick-for-PC/dp/B08MB812PD/
@@danielbaychev9297 thanks for this man
Holy shit im still learning korean backdash on a pad.
It is so ez with that... I need to invest in one of those
He didn’t convince me to use a mixbox...he convinced me to use my keyboard
good for you
I really want one but they're so expensive...
Can you start practicing on a keyboard to get used to the mixbox? Or are there functions that only a mixbox can do? I mean in regards to the arrow keys. I tried doing the back dash cancel and maybe I'm just bad at the input but it doesn't seem to work.
Hi Superspeedstar Yes. You can start practise on keyboard. Please practise with the display with input command. Look at the wrong input that is not working and correct it. Practise more Bro!
"don't ask me why..." They made it so that R+L becomes neutral input, so if you hold R and press L for you get R, N, R that is a backdash. It's no rocket science. In some games you can block in both directions with a R+L input, so it had to be removed, but I guess one can buy this thing and cheat it.
Im so glad you made this video. such an interesting stick and would like to see how beginners use this
Thanks for the support ! Please free fee to visit www.mixboxarcade.com for more information !
But if you play PC, there really is no benefit in purchasing a $249 Mixbox unless you are competing at tournaments for the legality purpose (I’m not even sure how my local competitive scene would feel about the Mixbox)
So based on this video, I think I am going to start using keyboard, maybe the backdash setting where it goes to neutral automatically maybe a setting within the box itself but I feel like the right coder could make a program if that would be the case to implement that to keyboard.
With that all being said, I am going to try keyboard out now, but the Mixbox looks amazing this was a successful advertisement
Awesome video TMM. Very enjoyable
this video is pointless for us cause MIXBOX wont ship any sticks to normal consumers, its has said PRE-ORDERS NOW OPEN FOR TWO YEARS ON THEIR SITE and every month the ship date changes to the next month. Only the most famous/important people of the FGC were lucky enough to receive the MIXBOX so i don't know whats up with this company maybe they will actually start shipping before 2019 is over, but when JANUARY 2020 rolls around and if it still says PRE-ORDERS NOW OPEN i will sell my soul to have their site destroyed!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't know about Geese, but doing circle motion like for example Devil Jin's command throw isn't that easy because you have to input the diagonal notations as well which can be tricky to new players in a real match.
exactly he never shows that shit.
the 2d characters one is brain dead easy because the command is b, n, d, n, f
Zangief spinning pile driver? 360° motion Zangief/T-Hawk super in Super Turbo? 2x 360° motion
Yep.. there are many motions you can't do properly or cannot even do on keyboard.. and also your fingers can't be faster than a certain speed.. so picking keyboard up is easier but doesn't mean you'll get even more faster with time.. no it doesn't work like that.. on a stick however.. you constantly improve on using it
Perfect video for the mixbox
"Half circles are impossible to miss"
* Proceeds to miss a half circle 4 times in a row *
i play on keyboard ...the only thing i cant do fast is long wavedash
I dont want to be an ass or anything but what's the difference between this and a cross up? Both of them make execution much easier but you don't seem to be so pissed of at this. Granted that cross up does it much more but still, both makes it easier.
I think these are also very easy on mechanical control pads lik the razer raiju, or nacon revolution...these dont use the traditional membrane found in the Ds4 pads
If this design is appealing to you, then just go with the Hitbox instead, unless I'm missing something
I love the idea of using keycaps so keyboard warriors can easily transition to consoles, but having the up button on top of the down button creates slow, awkward and uncomfortable inputs
I think most people playing seriously on a keyboard probably remap their up button to the more ergonomic space bar so they don't have to maneuver their hand or fingers at all
If this was re-released with a space bar at the bottom of the face instead of the up arrow, then I think it would become immediately more viable
I kinda like this.
Thank you so much for the support SolidSonicTH. Please feel free to visit at www.mixboxarcade.com for more information
@TheMainManSWE how comfortable is it for prolonged use? They've released one with a slightly angled WASD layout and I'm wondering which is better for comfort/use. Any ideas?
Hi Mainman, how do you got your MixBox Arcade through customs clearance? I bought a hitbox and the german customs clearance had to sent it back.
but how is your backstep? or movement in general? quarter/half circles aren't even difficult on a stick.
ill be honest, i dont care for the topic but man i stayed for that sick ass background tune
The LAST thing i need is king players with anymore advantages than they already have
TeryonTheHuman
Your fate has been chosen
wdym than they already have
Sonic if king is a grapple character he should be weak in neutral and close up confrontation, but he's not. King players have the skankiest ways to make a comeback from any range that isn't far
TeryonTheHuman
Most of Kings throws are breakable.
TeryonTheHuman and the price for being the dumbest person in the internet for this week goes to you, congratulations =)
I've always been a pad user, my sparring partner has had a few sticks over the years, but he has yet to become proficient with them. The joystick on sticks feel too loose to me and I want something that'll stick closer to a dpad setting. I'm DEFINITELY thinking about getting a Mixbox. It was also suggested that I try out a Hitbox, but I don't know if I like the up/jump button being separate from the other directional inputs.
Have you gotten one yet and if so how's it been for you because I thinking about switching from pad as well
TMM, would you consider a Hitbox vs Mixbox comparison? Thx!
Its really not the execution barrier that holds players back. Every blue rank can do good combos with his main character but still is stuck in blue or green. Doesnt mean that this thing looks funny af.
Oh man just bought a 200€ arcade stick and now I want a mixbox. My biggest issue is the stick and inputting wrong directions.
Practice bro ull be there just enjoy 😇
I remember thinking that the arrow keys are shit for fighting games back when emulators were first becoming a thing. Some keyboards are really bad because they have the maximum number of simultaneous inputs limited by hardware or firmware, making them virtually useless for gaming in general.
I prefer D-pad anyway. It's just what I'm use to. Fortunately it doesn't seem to make a difference in the end (except for I can't really use arcade cabinets).
I tried to buy this but the only checkout they have is paypal and I'm scared. Did anyone order it?
01:39 if you press: example; because the pressure in some fights: the hit button after press the last move on directional you will fail command, you know ⬇️↘️🅿️➡️, hitbox can't cover inabilities 🤣
Keyboards are tournament legal if you use Brook sniper converter which tricks the keyboard as a dual shock 4
Hey MainMan! The Mix Box looks like a super neat way to play! But how about backdashing with sway characters? Is it still easier? I main Nina and I do find it very hard to execute on a pad (even harder on stick). Does the Mix Box make backdashing with sway characters easier as well???
Is this better than a keyboard or just the same (matter of preference)
What's the difference between a mixbox and a hitbox?
Lmao. The famous "100 dollar Jin combo". :D Thanks Aris
YES! A video that includes Paul's qcf1's as a showcase of a difficult input! Go TMM!
Amazing wall combos with Bryan,Akuma,Paul & Geese, nasty amount of wall cary + dmg
Some objections im seeing are that wrists lay on the edge of the box making it a bit unconfortable due to the arrow keys are placed low. Is that true?
whats the difference of using mixbox controller and a normal pc keyboard?
Is this allowed to use in tournements?
Yes, most if not all controllers are allowed as long as they lack macros. In case you don't know what they are, macros are essentially an input that you can map onto a button. For example, mapping a specific button to do electrics and whatnot. That isn't allowed. Things like this and even a hitbox(?) Is allowed. However, they are frowned upon, because they make the game "easier".
I hope so
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Mixed Martial Anime I think super akouma uses something similar
Yes , mixbox is allowed in EVO / tournaments
After all that i still wonder why Noctis is on Tekken 7 and not on Soulcalibur 6
I want 1 so bad except in order to obtain 1 aren't they like $350? Which in this case makes it the most exspensive out of the 3?
I thinking of getting the universal edition in a few months. Been using my keyboard on my left hand (using the arrow keys) and the buttons on my stick in my right hand to train in the mean time. Having a real difficult time pulling off giants swings but could that be because I’m using a crappy plain ghosting keyboard? I swear I hit all the directions but it almost never registers the down input unless a go slow which hinders when I want the move to come out
different things are harder on these. Imo electric easiest on hit/mixbox, on stick dps 360s and half and quarter circles are way easier and kbd is easiest on pad for me.
This Is really cool ,
Is the mixbox better than a hitbox ?
Is the mixbox korean backdash fast as an arcade stick one ?
Vegetto Blue they are exactly the same, they offer the same advantage only difference is button layout
GETTING ONE RIGHT NOW!
Can you use this on tournaments?
You could probably get the same effect on a keyboard ? I'm definately finding game pad a lil slow for movement, one thumb just can't keep up lol.
Am debating hit box and this what you think I should pick up I got super into tekken 7
Came here because I saw MainMans comment on ATP review of the hitbox and calling it a cheatbox lmao
The utility is undeniable, but the arcade romance is gone with this thing
This is a noob question here..
Looking at the "Hardcore Akuma combo"..HOW do u actually convert into the rage art at that wall combo...do i really have to buffer that fast??
Marshall Fist after d1,2 u have to input the ra command while hes in the d1,2 animation
Teqneh so u do really need to buffer input that RA that fast?
Marshall Fist yes.
Teqneh okay then, thanks for the info
bruh u gotta be the Flash aka barry allen when it comes to executing that rage art in a combo. hella hard. gl .
THANKS FOR THIS VIDEO!
Holy fuck this man did 224 damage in one combo with Paul WTTTTTFFFFFF
Hitbox or Mixbox : pros and cons?