Club head speed isn’t measured, it’s calculated using the dummy value of 1.45 smash factor from your ball speed. Ball speed is higher on the Sim irons because of the lower loft which is the equivalent of 1+ club longer than the PINGs. Irons are about consistent carry and tight dispersion, which the pings seemed to exceed your current set. Long irons could be a problem, but you probably need hybrids or fairway woods anyway if you speed is an issue.
I'd say these clubs can be gamed by just about anyone, assuming they get fitted with a shaft that's proper for them. This review hit on the highlights of this club very well; and that's the fact that they're lower lofted (meaning shorter carry distances), but with much better dispersion patterns. But that's the thing with the golf world now, it's not about consistency it's about what club hits it further no matter what. This is a club that helps to make shots repeatable, and that's the true key to good golf. But the price tag on these beauties is outrageous.
Gotta compare same lofts my friend, or use 'power spec' i59s to a similar club. This comparison is a bit strange. Additionally, more grooves equal more spin. So it's not going to go as far, but will be much more consistent. I have these irons. Moved from P790s. Haven't looked back since. 9 handicap.
I would be cautious of this simulator, it doesn't track both club head and ball speed. Club head speed probably less on the i59 because ball speed is lower on the higher lofted club (i59). The sim assumes a smash of 1.45 and applies it to every shot. Good information though, I like the dispersion of the i59, makes me think I can actually play it. I am currently an 8.0 and used to play about a 3.
Very good review on these irons, they look beautiful! There are so many iron sets now it’s hard to make a decision. But I must admit I am more for the traditional lofts when it comes to new iron sets, makes it more consistent for me. Keep up the great reviews!
They are pretty. 35 year old me would have loved them. 54 year old me would love everything about them except the distance. I’m just glad there are options available today. Thirty years ago they were much more limited.
You had me at forged and then I found out it really wasn't! Still a nice looking club. They should have written hybrid instead of forged on the club. Great review Gabe!
Gabe, I think you needed to compare apples to apples here.... The Sim 7 iron has a 28.5 degree loft where the Ping I59 7 iron has 37 degree loft, that's a full club almost 2 clubs in difference.
You came to a pretty similar conclusion to Shiels with these clubs. His shots with the shorter irons were inconsistent. I'm currently gaming a 2nd hand set of Ping G series (2017) and those bad boys are amazingly forgiving. I hope you have a total blast at Cirencester later this month, I'm working in Germany most of Sept but I hope one day our paths may cross! Its a great club about a half hour from me.
The thing about it is that a lot of companies are doing what Ping is doing here (part of the clubhead is forged, part is not). It's probably more common than folks realize.
The shaft lengths between the i59 and SIM2 irons are also different, which accounts for increased club head speed. i59 7i length is 37" and SIM2 7i is 37.25". Also swing weight of SIM2 irons might be 1 lower with stock spec, again potentially giving a touch more clubhead speed
Or the fact that's it's a fixed Efficiency Ratio at Edwind Watts and the club head speeds are CALCULATED off of your ball speed divided by that 1.45 ratio instead of being ACTUAL.... 😉
THIS is why we like you Gabe! Majority of RUclipsrs have an orgasm over anything Ping and it ruins the review... fake forged club = ❌ The fact that the sim2 felt better (had them for 2 months before i changed) says it all really 🚮
@@LetsPlayThru well I've only been playing for 12 months down here in aus and gone from 16 hcp to around 10 so i went with the srixon z forged blades (oh please do a video on them) i did it as i felt my ball striking was getting very good and wanted to force the consistency by punishing myself for bad shots! So happy i did as they feel amazing, helps that they're a fairly forgiving bladed iron!
Have you done anything with PXG? They are having an amazing deal and I am in tge market for new irons, but I am worried not being able to play them, or try them cause they are the Gen 2. I learn a lot of what to look for, and do you have any advice when it comes to picking a fitter for new clubs?
@@LetsPlayThru watched the video and it is great, I was wondering cause PXG is having a crazy sale on the gen 2 and 3s and I am seriously looking at getting them, the difference is I won't be able to get custom fitted.
Get the PXG Gen 3 and you can thank me later. If you are a high handicap get the 0311 XP, if not get the 0311P. They are 100% forged and feel better than a Mizuno. By the way, Taylordmade and now Ping are using the same technology that PXG first came out with on their Gen 1 irons.
@@frankperez526 thank you for the heads up, I am going to Golf Champion for an Iron fitting next week, so I am going to try as many clubs as I can, and then I will be buying a new set of Irons. PXG'S are the ones I am looking forward to trying the most.
@@LetsPlayThru I finally got a fitting for clubs at a brand name fitting establishment, and I tried so many clubs, and I will say I was surprised. The PXG Gen 4 was my Favorite of course, then the Ping G425 best dispersion, and then the Sirxon Forged which were great. Also finding that I do not need half the clubs in my bag was a eye opener.
Love those looks but I had to split the difference, the iblade/59 just didnt have a big enough sweet spot. The Sim2/Apex etc all are way to low spin for me, Im a low left (baseball dude) and on AZ hard greens I need height and spin, so I have a set of Ping i210s w stiff NS pro shafts, those were higher and spun more, the # on the bottom doesnt matter to me, greenies do. ;0) PS dispersion circle was smallest F/B and L/R than all others tried, sold!
@@smokinjaws3310 I suppose it depends on each individual's game. I need distance personally since I play tees further back and don't have a powerful swing but others who swing harder will appreciate the accuracy and not care about distance.
@@LetsPlayThru I’m hung in that same limbo. 2 back surgeries took my drives from 300+ to 275 if I really nail it. I’ve moved up to 6500ish yards. From the tips I got tired of 175+ approaches.
Cast = Hollow - Forged = Solid…. Also your ball striking is all over the place, giving you such large carry distance number with the Pings, your Sim2’s are made specifically with that in mind, for “forgiveness” across the face. Definitely keep playing the Sim2 shovels lol
i love the idea of a golf club factory full of medieval blacksmiths carefully tinkering until my iron is the perfect shape...but lets be honest that is not happening on the scale that clubs are produced these days!
Your SIM 2 is just silly with loft….a 28.5 degree 7 iron that spins 4500 rpm?! These companies are doing nothing more than hurting high handicap golfers with jacking lofts trying to claim distance numbers. But it hurts the golfer because they never have chance in the world holding greens. You should be playing these Ping irons on just the launch angle, descent angle and back spin numbers alone. You seem to be falling into the bottom number ego trap that a lot of people do.
It could be argued that playing a club because it has “traditional” lofts is an ego trap. The new tech is flying just as high and still holding greens well and it’s a lot easier for most people to get a 7 or 8 iron up in the air than a 5 or 6. I think that’s just smart golf.
@@LetsPlayThru But the new tech isn’t launching measurably higher and is certainly not maintaining spin rates is the whole point. Your 7 iron is lofted like a 5.5 iron and is spinning closer to a 4 iron. I would argue people with slower swing speeds would benefit more from play traditional lofts in irons and the fill in the bottom gaps of the bag with hybrids. At least the slower swing speed guys would be able to maintain more reasonable spin rates. But thinking your 7 iron spinning at 4500 with that decent angle holds well is just not reasonable. I could only imagine what it would be like trying to hold a green with a 21 degree 5 iron lol.
The way the term forged gets tossed around these days is a joke, it's even being applied to the face on certain titanium drivers. I'm old school, for me blades and CB's using a single grade of carbon steel like 1020/1025 are forged, I don't consider multi material construction iron heads to be forged, even if a portion of the head is made of carbon steel. Just my personal view, for me the i59s, P790s, and X5s aren't forged.
I SEE THAT YOUR BODY IS ALSO NOT FORGED HA HA if you do not care for yourself, i will not ever believe what those people say. I can sense your frustration
Club head speed isn’t measured, it’s calculated using the dummy value of 1.45 smash factor from your ball speed. Ball speed is higher on the Sim irons because of the lower loft which is the equivalent of 1+ club longer than the PINGs. Irons are about consistent carry and tight dispersion, which the pings seemed to exceed your current set. Long irons could be a problem, but you probably need hybrids or fairway woods anyway if you speed is an issue.
I'd say these clubs can be gamed by just about anyone, assuming they get fitted with a shaft that's proper for them. This review hit on the highlights of this club very well; and that's the fact that they're lower lofted (meaning shorter carry distances), but with much better dispersion patterns. But that's the thing with the golf world now, it's not about consistency it's about what club hits it further no matter what. This is a club that helps to make shots repeatable, and that's the true key to good golf. But the price tag on these beauties is outrageous.
Gotta compare same lofts my friend, or use 'power spec' i59s to a similar club. This comparison is a bit strange. Additionally, more grooves equal more spin. So it's not going to go as far, but will be much more consistent. I have these irons. Moved from P790s. Haven't looked back since. 9 handicap.
I would be cautious of this simulator, it doesn't track both club head and ball speed. Club head speed probably less on the i59 because ball speed is lower on the higher lofted club (i59). The sim assumes a smash of 1.45 and applies it to every shot. Good information though, I like the dispersion of the i59, makes me think I can actually play it. I am currently an 8.0 and used to play about a 3.
Very good review on these irons, they look beautiful! There are so many iron sets now it’s hard to make a decision. But I must admit I am more for the traditional lofts when it comes to new iron sets, makes it more consistent for me. Keep up the great reviews!
These are real lookers for sure! What is your current 7-iron loft?
They are pretty. 35 year old me would have loved them. 54 year old me would love everything about them except the distance. I’m just glad there are options available today. Thirty years ago they were much more limited.
Yes 🙌
You had me at forged and then I found out it really wasn't! Still a nice looking club. They should have written hybrid instead of forged on the club. Great review Gabe!
That’s true Mark, I like that idea a lot
@@LetsPlayThru I would love to see you test out some blade! That would be awesome!
@@ChiliDippaGolf Mark, you want to see me hit a 7 iron 135 🤣
Dame with the i500
I had similar experience testing the i59's with p770 and Srixon zx7's.
Gabe, I think you needed to compare apples to apples here.... The Sim 7 iron has a 28.5 degree loft where the Ping I59 7 iron has 37 degree loft, that's a full club almost 2 clubs in difference.
You came to a pretty similar conclusion to Shiels with these clubs. His shots with the shorter irons were inconsistent.
I'm currently gaming a 2nd hand set of Ping G series (2017) and those bad boys are amazingly forgiving.
I hope you have a total blast at Cirencester later this month, I'm working in Germany most of Sept but I hope one day our paths may cross! Its a great club about a half hour from me.
Ah, too bad won’t be able to see you. Enjoy Germany!
Awesome video Gabe. Thanks for the honest review.
Thanks for checking it out 🙏
forged vs cast was very interesting. haven't found a good description of difference until now.
Awesome, glad it was helpful
The thing about it is that a lot of companies are doing what Ping is doing here (part of the clubhead is forged, part is not). It's probably more common than folks realize.
I really like the Ping Blue Print and this looks like a bigger version
The shaft lengths between the i59 and SIM2 irons are also different, which accounts for increased club head speed. i59 7i length is 37" and SIM2 7i is 37.25". Also swing weight of SIM2 irons might be 1 lower with stock spec, again potentially giving a touch more clubhead speed
Thanks for that info Mike
Or the fact that's it's a fixed Efficiency Ratio at Edwind Watts and the club head speeds are CALCULATED off of your ball speed divided by that 1.45 ratio instead of being ACTUAL.... 😉
@@oldandstiff 🤣
I love your videos man, always the best energy. Keep doing you. If you ever get out to the Houston area, I’d love to get a round In with you!
Thanks man, much appreciated
THIS is why we like you Gabe! Majority of RUclipsrs have an orgasm over anything Ping and it ruins the review... fake forged club = ❌
The fact that the sim2 felt better (had them for 2 months before i changed) says it all really 🚮
✊ thank you. Curious, what did you switch to?
@@LetsPlayThru well I've only been playing for 12 months down here in aus and gone from 16 hcp to around 10 so i went with the srixon z forged blades (oh please do a video on them) i did it as i felt my ball striking was getting very good and wanted to force the consistency by punishing myself for bad shots! So happy i did as they feel amazing, helps that they're a fairly forgiving bladed iron!
That’s definitely a good way to work on your ball striking. I did that when I was younger and forced myself to use blades. Congrats 🍾
Have you done anything with PXG? They are having an amazing deal and I am in tge market for new irons, but I am worried not being able to play them, or try them cause they are the Gen 2. I learn a lot of what to look for, and do you have any advice when it comes to picking a fitter for new clubs?
Yes I did a Gen 2 video, great clubs
@@LetsPlayThru watched the video and it is great, I was wondering cause PXG is having a crazy sale on the gen 2 and 3s and I am seriously looking at getting them, the difference is I won't be able to get custom fitted.
Get the PXG Gen 3 and you can thank me later. If you are a high handicap get the 0311 XP, if not get the 0311P. They are 100% forged and feel better than a Mizuno. By the way, Taylordmade and now Ping are using the same technology that PXG first came out with on their Gen 1 irons.
@@frankperez526 thank you for the heads up, I am going to Golf Champion for an Iron fitting next week, so I am going to try as many clubs as I can, and then I will be buying a new set of Irons. PXG'S are the ones I am looking forward to trying the most.
@@LetsPlayThru I finally got a fitting for clubs at a brand name fitting establishment, and I tried so many clubs, and I will say I was surprised. The PXG Gen 4 was my Favorite of course, then the Ping G425 best dispersion, and then the Sirxon Forged which were great. Also finding that I do not need half the clubs in my bag was a eye opener.
Good looking club, lofted more like my MP-60s... Look and feel all I care about... Results follow...
Love anything with MP in front of it!
Did you review the Ping i500s from a few years ago? What did you think of them?
Before I bought these clubs I was a bogy player, after these clubs I’m shooting 75. These clubs are amazing
Based on your swing speed and carry it sounds like you need regular shafts in all your clubs.
What is going on with smash factor / efficiency around 5:20? Seems questionably consistent.
That machine doesn’t measure smash factor so it’s just a default number.
WTH, did you just say you bought my clubs??? Sim2 irons🤔🤔🤔 NICE!!!!! Except I got the KBS stiff shafts.
Shot 77 with them last week on Streamsong Red, tough course
I would love to see you do a review of the new titleist t300’s!
Me too! Hey Titleist, my address is in the description
You should have tested the Ping i7 against your Taylordmade i9 to be a fair test. There is only half a degree difference between those two.
Love those looks but I had to split the difference, the iblade/59 just didnt have a big enough sweet spot. The Sim2/Apex etc all are way to low spin for me, Im a low left (baseball dude) and on AZ hard greens I need height and spin, so I have a set of Ping i210s w stiff NS pro shafts, those were higher and spun more, the # on the bottom doesnt matter to me, greenies do. ;0) PS dispersion circle was smallest F/B and L/R than all others tried, sold!
Sweet! Great setup
I hope you can test them on the course!
Maybe down the road, but I need to gain about 15mph swing speed first 🥴
@@LetsPlayThru I’m curious if the accuracy will offset the loss of distance.
@@smokinjaws3310 I suppose it depends on each individual's game. I need distance personally since I play tees further back and don't have a powerful swing but others who swing harder will appreciate the accuracy and not care about distance.
@@LetsPlayThru I’m hung in that same limbo. 2 back surgeries took my drives from 300+ to 275 if I really nail it. I’ve moved up to 6500ish yards. From the tips I got tired of 175+ approaches.
Cast = Hollow - Forged = Solid…. Also your ball striking is all over the place, giving you such large carry distance number with the Pings, your Sim2’s are made specifically with that in mind, for “forgiveness” across the face. Definitely keep playing the Sim2 shovels lol
i love the idea of a golf club factory full of medieval blacksmiths carefully tinkering until my iron is the perfect shape...but lets be honest that is not happening on the scale that clubs are produced these days!
Oh absolutely not, although some boutique Japanese brands might be a little more hand finished than others.
@@LetsPlayThru my mate bought some miura’s last month. They look like they have been fettled and polished by ninjas and cleaned in milk.
That butter didn’t look very soft
Cool video. These are definatly out of my league.
Congrats on the new clubs man, saw them on Instagram. They look sweet. The customization is very cool
@@LetsPlayThru I have custom matching stickers coming in soon and I think then ill be ready to do my updated whats in the bag vid.
I'm a Ping guy from way back but I don't want a club that says forged if its not actually forged, especially not for $250 each for the wedges.
Another good review with lots of information. Thanks.
Your SIM 2 is just silly with loft….a 28.5 degree 7 iron that spins 4500 rpm?! These companies are doing nothing more than hurting high handicap golfers with jacking lofts trying to claim distance numbers. But it hurts the golfer because they never have chance in the world holding greens. You should be playing these Ping irons on just the launch angle, descent angle and back spin numbers alone. You seem to be falling into the bottom number ego trap that a lot of people do.
It could be argued that playing a club because it has “traditional” lofts is an ego trap. The new tech is flying just as high and still holding greens well and it’s a lot easier for most people to get a 7 or 8 iron up in the air than a 5 or 6. I think that’s just smart golf.
@@LetsPlayThru But the new tech isn’t launching measurably higher and is certainly not maintaining spin rates is the whole point. Your 7 iron is lofted like a 5.5 iron and is spinning closer to a 4 iron. I would argue people with slower swing speeds would benefit more from play traditional lofts in irons and the fill in the bottom gaps of the bag with hybrids. At least the slower swing speed guys would be able to maintain more reasonable spin rates. But thinking your 7 iron spinning at 4500 with that decent angle holds well is just not reasonable. I could only imagine what it would be like trying to hold a green with a 21 degree 5 iron lol.
If you hit the ball out of the sweet spot it will feel soft its like you haven't hit the ball.
Sim 2 versus I-59 hmm...
Crazy price
Only problem with SIM2 driver and irons is they are so incredibly bloody ugly
The way the term forged gets tossed around these days is a joke, it's even being applied to the face on certain titanium drivers. I'm old school, for me blades and CB's using a single grade of carbon steel like 1020/1025 are forged, I don't consider multi material construction iron heads to be forged, even if a portion of the head is made of carbon steel. Just my personal view, for me the i59s, P790s, and X5s aren't forged.
Agree completely
yes but you can adjust these lofts unlike a cast iron
Should be Can a mere mortal afford these? 😎
True!!! I think they are $275 per club? That’s PXG territory
@@LetsPlayThru pxg gen 4 is now $229 per club.....
@@jek7011 yes it’s good to see them coming down a bit
"forged"
Please no one say iron cover's...
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This music not it 🤣🤣
Would look good in the bag, get admirering glances from fellow players but I know would not be for me.
Same John. Maybe if I was a little younger
I SEE THAT YOUR BODY IS ALSO NOT FORGED HA HA if you do not care for yourself, i will not ever believe what those people say. I can sense your frustration