How Robby became Better - Character Analysis/Theory
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- After fixing broken bridges, Robby Keene is finally on the right path. This is how Robby became better.
0:00 Intro
0:30 Recap of Robby's arc in Season 5
2:30 Road to Redemption
8:58 Relationship with Tory
11:30 Relationship with Miguel
15:10 Relationship with Johnny
17:23 Robby's Intelligence
18:33 Final Thoughts & Future
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What do you think we'll see from Robby in Cobra Kai Season 6?
Win The ST.
Would be nice if Robby wins the seika taikai since he's gotten second place in both all valley tournaments
@@StryfetheWarrior I hope robby wins the Sakai takai
Robby is the only teen who has done the handstand kick, who has fought two senseis, fought along with a sensei, been trained by the most number of senseis, beaten all of CK alone, taught CK moves, been in most fights, won most fights, had most 1 vs. many fights, shown mentorship to two kids, had his birth date mentioned directly, shown doing weight lifting, been very close to both of the two main characters (Johnny and Daniel), had been personally asked by two senseis to learn their ways, and entered the AVT in S1 unaffiliated.
Also, he has interactions with all of the major character. Everybody talks about him, whether in Miyagi-Fang or in Cobra Kai.
He's the only person to have one-on-one conversations with all four Larussos.
Also, his decision to go to Larusso and Kreese's coming were the storylines that gave them the feeling of a real show. Not to mention the writers never showed him inferior to Miguel and Hawk (by giving him an injured arm and a distraction with the camera focusing on Kenny for a moment) and literally telling us that both fights could go either way twice in the show.
You brought up a couple of points I never considered. The first one being Robby realizing that Johnny and Daniel were able to put aside their differences and work together to look for him when he was on the run, and thus he decided to stay with Johnny and help him find Miguel. And the other one being Robby having a soft spot for Kenny and others in Cobra Kai during Season 5. At first I was irritated that he was taking so much damage in the final fight after dominating the whole dojo the previous season. But I really think that Robby didn't want to fight, and thus didn't have his killer instinct in that moment.
Pretty interesting points I didn't consider it at first either. Caught it on a rewatch
My favorite moment in season five was when Robby enters the Cobra Kai dojo, this scene is very similar to the scene in season two.
Wdym the scene in s2?
@@rowbgo1575 I think they meant the Daniel scene after Hawk and others trashed Miyagi-Do
I love robby and tory relationship
I want Robby to win to the Sekai Taikai.
Same.
Me 2. 🥰
Would love to see Robby win this tournament. He’s due
Nah thats bad writing lol
@@gjjijji how?
Same, I would love to see him win as well
@@rohanbhati8357 1.im not a fan of a character winning just because he didn’t before
2. Johnny was hung up for 34 years because he didn’t win the tournament but now he realizes he didn’t need too, he can make a impact another way like teaches students. I would Robby to be the guy to be the new head cobra Kai in a real fight defending someone and not Miguel like a true miyagi do student
@@gjjijjihow other than bias hawk got rewarded for his character arc but Robby somone far more important (not down playing hawks importance but Robby and Miguel have a bigger role ) dosent get any wins for his
I love how you made that Tommy Oliver reference. It was to see you honour him...he will be missed.
Why do I what tanner to be a power Ranger has JJ Oliver
Agreed. I have a livestream VOD on my channel still where I talked about my experiences with him.
I never had any doubts that Robby always felt remorse for what happened to Miguel in the school fight
What made it hard for there to be reconciliation between the two was the constant feuding between the dojos as well as the relationship drama involving Sam and Tory
The show does a great job at highlighting the fact that Robby, despite making questionable life choices, is a good kid at heart who is fully capable of thinking of others
And also highlighting that Miguel, while also a good kid who has more friends and companions than Robby, is capable of making reckless decisions himself
Not everything is black and white
That’s what makes this show one of the greatest shows of all time
That’s why I like them both and torn between who should possibly win the tournament. They’re both good young men.
Is he had remorse, then how come every time Johnny brings up Miguel in the hospital in S3, he is only thinking about himself?
I get he has regrets but he’s so self-centered he can’t see that Johnny has to be there for Miguel
@@user-sz6wu6rt3rI do agree but you have to understand, his father, who was rarely there his whole life, is more there for Miguel, who he knew for barely a year at that point. It’s not to say Johnny should not be there for Miguel but he wasn’t even there for his visit bc of what? Miguel. In Robby’s eyes, he clearly felt that he wasn’t even worth his father’s time.
Tommy Oliver looks like young Thomas Ian Griffith
Robby's story in season 4 and especially in season 5 hit so so so hard for me personally because just like Robby, I DID have a biological father that cared about me, just had (and still has) a lot of demons (former Army blackhawk pilot and combat medic that served in Afghanistan for over 20 years). I was so mad and angry at him for not being there for me for most of my life, even missing out on my high school and community college graduation ceremonies, but one day after he recently showed up out of the blue at our house in order to try and patch things up with me, while I thought at first (and for a while to be honest) that I was going to scream ferociously at him in anger, I ended up almost crying, and we hugged things out as he owned up to his mistakes, and I finally forgave him. I treated that day as if i'd never see him mentally stable (or at all) ever again, and it was absolutely the right thing for me to do; I have no regrets anymore. At the moment he's still doing okay, fighting drug and alcohol addiction one day at a time (he's almost, if not past day 100 if I'm not mistaken?). :)
That's awesome. Continue to be there for your father.
Good for you bro!
Robby is my favorite character and I really hope he is the one who gets the dub at the last tournament!
I wish he won in S4 so Miguel could win this one
@@user-sz6wu6rt3r it would be fitting for Robby to win
@@SheaStyles would be but Miguel is basically the Karate Kid 2.0
Robby winning The ST makes the most thematic & narrative sensewhile also being integral to Johnny's overarching journey as The MC. Plus Miguel started out the Series like Daniel & they intentionally subverted us by revealing that hes meant to be this Generations redeemed & protagonistic version of Johnny. Robby makes a bit more sense as its a reverse to his father. This whole show started with a flashback of Johnny losing to Daniel & S1 ended with Robby losing like his father to Miguel. The best full circle is reversing that. Miguel is a Former Underdog Turn Champ/One Of The MC in an Essemble Cast. People need to understand that Miguel is not the primary Protagonist. Miguel is a Deuteragonist/Secondary Protagonist alongside Sam & Robby while Daniel & Johnny are the Main Co-Protagonists. Miguel is a flawed former Underdog but an overall likable & fun character regardless.
I can agree that Miguels journey should end with him fighting for the right reasons but that doesn't always have to apply on the mat/tournament either. Plus, the begining of the show began eith a flashback of Johnny losing to Daniel in 84 & S1 ended with Robby ending up like his father against Miguel. The best full circle is reversing the outcome. Not nesscarily having Robby VS Miguel again but having Robby gain the final tournament win. Most Underdog stories shows that Underdogs never cared about a tournament or a sense of Victory & Robby has shown that. Miguel is a former Underdog who is more The Overdog now. Johnny's entire redemption arc has been about Robby since the very begining. Miguel has already proven to be the better fighter than Robby despite the being equals (but Miguel has a slight edge). Underdogs are characters who mainly dont care about the win & end up getting ot at the end. Hell Daniel never cared about the win in 84 & he ended up becoming the Champ. Sure Robby's character doesnt depend on getting a tournament victory but he has proven more of an Underdog than Miguel since S1 alongside Miguel. Its more apparent that Robby is the one who has been emulating Daniel's Character Arc, not Miguel. S1, bit of 2, & 4 has showcased all of that. I mean look at Rocky in Rocky 1 & 2.
Miguel's character arc & purpose is more about being a better man than Johnny was, him not following under the shadow/footsteps of Johnny's past behaviors as a teen, & balancing his love life with Sam in which Johnny failed with Ali. Another is Miguel also playing a major part in giving Johnny purpose & a roadmap to his redemption. Yes, Miguel & Johnny are essentially Daniel & Miyagi to one another but its very apparent that Miguel's Character Arc is being a redeemed Johnny. In terms of "Main Teen Character" Miguel, Robby, & Sam share that title equally. Miguel is merely advertised as "The One Main Teen" but its clear, he shares that with Sam & Robby as a Trio. Miguel's Character doesnt depend on a Tournament Victory either as shown in S4. Miguel has already proven that he has redeemed himself & is already a Champ by heart by beating his injuries in S3 & fighting like honorable bad-@$$ compared to 1x10 going forward. Both Miguel & Robby are equally not dependent of the tournament win & both are deserving of it. By the end of this Miguel's Real Trophy is Sam. With both boys parrelleling elements of Daniel, one of them is getting that girl at the end & the other, the final tournament trophy & I dont think 1 is getting both. Im justs saying, its more preferable for the 2 characters who emulates elements of Daniel to have a Half/Half & Win/Win for both boys. Miguel's Trophy is Sam as his Ali (something Daniel & Johnny never achieved) & Robby getting The Tournament Win as a parrelel reverse of his father & homage to Daniel. Both Different versions of the Karate-Kids getting a win. Sam is considered to be this generation's Ali & Miguel did what Daniel & Johnny couldnt as a fusion of both men. In terms of Robby, him winning is a parrelel to Daniel in 84 while also being a reverse of his father. The show's first episode started with Johnny losing in Flashback along with the 1st Season ending with his son losing similarly (albiet under MD). Trust me I dont want Miguel to lose. Hell apart of me wants to see a clean win for him compared to S1 (welll.......thats gonna happen my way) But I feel like him taking a bad-@$$ loss while giving it his all is a better way for him. Miguel has always been too much of a proud fighter like Johnny. Plus Miguel can win a real fight rather than a competition & if its being MF Top-Dog Leader then so be it.
Robby winning The ST would be an amazing parrelel reverse of his father. Plus, the S1 Finale ended with Robby losing like his father added with being a What-If Daniel loss in 84 with Miguel having a Dark Daniel Win/What If Johnny won in 84 instead of Daniel. It would be an amazing full circle to not have Robby repeat his father's Runner-Up streak & win big. I want Miguel to win as well since he is my favorite character but The ST will not be one of them. Plus, Miguel did what both Johnny (in particuclar) & Daniel couldnt....potentially end up with his Ali through Sam. Robby can have the Big Underdog Tournament win while Miguel gets his Ali. Its a win win for both hybrid of both men. Its funny both both boys names rhyme with Daniel & Johnny tho. Migu-el/Dani-el & Robb-y/Johnn-y. The main difference is their roles at most times is in reverse.
Dang bro, didn't even watch the whole video yet 💀
Dang bro 💀
Sometimes men need to work things out by punching each other. I hope Kumiko returns, so we can find out about her and Chosen's status. Plus I think it would be fun to see Amanda's reaction, finding out Daniel fought to the death for Kumiko.
Agreed
I really wish they develop Daniel&Robby’s relationship like in s1&s2 seems to have been neglected from s3 onwards
I think it was done perfectly. Robby was let down by everyone in S3, was out for revenge in S4, and in S5 helped Daniel out of his depression. How is that neglectful?
@@StryfetheWarrior The kind of relationship Daniel and Robby had in s1&s2 was very similar to the kind of relationship Mr.Miyagi and Daniel had.Even though they reconcile in s5 that aspect of sensei-student relationship between them has taken a back seat in my opinion.
Robby might be the Son of Tommy Oliver
Facts!
That’s funny
Robbie rebuilding his relationship with Johnny was so great but it was actually his friendship and brotherhood with Miguel that made me love him again. I can see Robby was sorry and went along way to make things right.
The after party and all Valley in s4 was the proof Miguel and Robby shouldn’t hate each other, because there was clear signs that both highly respected each other and were willing to talk. But it was Tory and Sam who couldn’t get past it.
You mentioned JDF in this....on a different video someone did they also compared Robby to Tommy, fitting honestly. Also shame JDF passed & we're not getting him appearing at all cuz his school Rising Sun Academy would've been a fun touch
I had no idea until writing this video back in May that so many fancasted Tanner to be Tommy. It fits so much. RIP JDF. I did a livestream talking about my experiences with him that's still here on my channel.
I know Miguel came in to season 1 like Daniel, but this is johnnys show first and foremost. Robby has a lot of parallels with Johnny and he deserves the redemption. I also think he has more aura than Miguel too. His defensive style is way more entertaining and reminiscent of Daniel/miyagi. I’d love to have seen chozen teach him so moves before the sekkai takai
Amazing video bro
Thank you!
i love the content man keep it up
Thank you!
Love your videos bro
Thank you!
I don’t get how people can look at his character his growth and potential as a fighter and say that he shouldn’t win the sekie tekia like he hasn’t won anything dispite growing the most learning the most and training the most
Agreed, I think he should win
@@StryfetheWarrior Even I think he should win since Miguel, Hawk and Tory have already won their fair share of tournaments so Robby winning would not only give his arc closure but to wrap up his entire storyline altogether.
Miguel is way better
Robby is just an annoying self-centered character
He can be team captain for the tournament, or he can win a fight against Miguel, but its clear the best fighter should win, and that’s Miguel
@@user-sz6wu6rt3r your serious you think Robby is a self centered character have you just not watched the show Robby has the biggest arc out of anyone this is what I’m talking about people just don’t pay attention to characters and how they grow
JDF reference in Cobra Kai? I never even noticed that….and I’m a big Power Rangers Fan!
Ik people want Miguel to win the Sekai Taikai to go full circle but I really think Robby needs to win to complete his character arc and actually win a tournament
I hope Robby wins too.
Seriously his arc of second place isn’t over just because he became the captain
Awsome video
Thank you!
I can see both Robby and Miguel sparring over who's gonna change the baby's diaper. Lol
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If Robby Keene was Force-sensitive and he imbued upon a kyber crystal for his own lightsaber, what color would he get and why?
I feel like it would be purple. But then something tells me eventually it’d be green. He reminds me of a young Revan. Which in some ways is also reflective of Anakin. He started in the light. Fell slowly to the dark, well in this case turned, and then came back to the light again. But has a deep understanding and respect for both. Maybe I’m wrong though. Idk, I like these kinds of what ifs, most people look at me like I’m saying something crazy when I do this 🤷🏾♂️
Blue, briefly red.
@@jimmikulsky4810 I can see this
I can't wait for season 6
Robby imho is the best fighter among the teens.
I Love Robby Hes had such a good development and i Hope in Season 6 He gets the Respect He deserved i mean in Season 5 He tried to fix everything but non of the Teens either Hawk Sam Miguel cared in the end of the water Park Robby Just walks Out Bit Miguel instently pushed Robby instead of talking to him so i think also when IT comes to Fighting Robby Always is 2 place whats Not fair i Hope in Season 6 He proves everyone wrong also in Season 5 He stands in Front of Silver ALONE but No one really Respect that i mean ever Kim was there so having the Balls to do that big Respect #TeamRobby♥️💪🤘
Also I think it make sense for the two get along, since they barely talk each other like Sam and Tory do.
Yes power ranger reference I met JDF before he died! Shi Han Chris Casamassa trained JDF. I’m currently training there. Red dragon karate. Shi Han Chris was in the original karate kid movie.
That's awesome. When he passed, I did a livestream on my experiences with JDF. The VOD is still on my channel
@@StryfetheWarrior yes I did comment on that videon
I respect all views and opinions, and you bring up many very good points. In this final season I see it like this: Johnny/Kreese/Silver stand for tournaments and trophies, Miyagi always stood for using karate to defend yourself and others. Miguel is in the lineage of Kreese and Johnny, Robby in the lineage of Daniel and Miyagi. Son if there are two major fights, my pick is Miguel wins the tournament so the show started like it began, Sensei Johnny and student Miguel take the trophy, and Robby survives a fight to the death and follows the path of Miyagi and Daniel. Some people on YT wrote Miyagi would be proud if Robby wins a trophy. No he wouldnt, watch KK3 again, Miyagi disliked tournaments.
Thanks for watching! Correct, Miyagi was not a fan of trophies. Ken Cole and I discussed a while back in a previous vid (I think it was my "Why Devon Didn't Lose to Tory" or one of his livestreams) about Robby entering the tournament in S1, and stating that he had no need to compete. Though personally, I think Robby needs the W, even if it involves a trophy. Ultimately, though Miyagi was not a fan of Daniel competing in both All-Valleys at first, he would end up agreeing to coach Daniel twice because it was for LaRusso to stand his ground in self-defense. And as it was said in S5, there are some fights Miyagi could not walk away from.
@@StryfetheWarrior I agree with you about "Robby needs a W, even if it involves a trophy", thats true. But my point was should there be two big fights, one in a tournament, one Chozen vs Daniel fight to the death, my pick would be Miguel for the tournament and Robby for the death battle. I read many comments and many ppl think it will be the other way around.
Of course anything is possible. But when it comes to the All Valley: In KK1 it was Miyagi's idea for Daniel to compete with Johnny there. Most probably he thought a tournament with rules and protected by the referee is the best and safest way to bring Daniel and Johnny to the mat and fight it out.
And when Daniel first wanted to defend his title in KK3 (even before Barnes and Silver showed up), Miyagi was not amused and didnt want it. Later Daniel was basically blackmailed by Barnes to fight there, or lets say pushed, not blackmailed.
But yeah we will see :). Anything is possible.
I have a kind of scenario in my head which would end the war Kreese vs Miyagi/Daniel. And in it Robby has to end in such a fight to the death, not in a tournament. And for some reasons I think one of the goals of the Big 3 is to end this war who started in 1984. Kreese still blames Miyagi and Daniel for everything as we saw again in Season 5. "Miyagi and LaRusso took our chances away in 1984", thats what he said to Johnny. He cant let it go, Daniel and Miyagi are still his personal enemies, even if Miyagi is death.
@@StryfetheWarrior PS: I just saw something. In one of the current interviews, Ralph stated in Episode 3 two new Korean kids will emerge, Kwan and Yun. So I would guess those two are the two for Miguel and Robby. We already know about Kwan but not Yun.
I know I wrote in the past days Kwans full name would be Kwan Jaesun, but maybe this was wrong. There was only once source that his given name is Jaesun and his family name Kwan. I did some little research and saw actually "Kwan" is a boys given name Korea, but not a family name. So maybe Kwan and Yun are the two given names of the two. Kwan means "strong", so I am sure the name fits.
He was my least favorite character in season 1 and now my favorite in season 5. Miguel went from my favorite to number 3 as Hawk is now number 2 in my book.
All good picks.
Off topic but I'd love to see you dive into a certain Power Rangers Characters. Preferably from the Zordon and Post-Zordon eras of Characters.
I grew up with MMPR, some Zeo and some Turbo. I've considered doing this specifically for Burai (the original Green Ranger in Zyuranger that Tommy was based on), and was fortunate to have met JDF twice. I talked about it on a live when he passed and the VOD is still up if you want to check it out. Forever Green!
@@StryfetheWarrior I'll take a look! And I miss him too. I look forward to seeing Legend of the White Dragon. Heavily recommend checking out the trailers for that.
is MIyagi fan the confirmed new dojo name?
That's the generally accepted "fan name." The new official name is going to be revealed in Season 6.
1:59 Snakes do not have claws
No, they don't. And they don't have hooks either, but that was me paraphrasing what Shannon said in S4E8 when talking about Silver treating Robby to prom: "I tried to talk to Robby, but this guy... he has his hooks in him."
Here is the thing with Robby for me. I hated his guts from seasons 1-4 (until the moment with Johnny) and only praised him in rare moments if he was worthy. In season 5 I had much less to complain about but from hatred it became neutrality. When the fights at Silver's house/Dojo happened and there was that moment that both got hurt, for Johnny I was really concerned but for Robby it was like yeah so what. It didn't do anything to me, probably because I hated him for so long and now I couldn't care less about him. Maybe the same will happen to me with Sam in the final season. Until now Sam never gave me a reason to truly love her character she proved the opposite to me.
Agree to disagree.
@@StryfetheWarriorI mean I wasn't too fond of Robby in season 1-3 (especially in season 3), but my negative attitude towards him lessened somewhat I just can't ignore his actions in season 2 (especially with kicking Miguel over a balcony).
who irl would forgive someone kicking them off a ledge breaking their back?
You would be surprised
@@lycanthropegaming3432 the same kid who didnt forgive his dad? he didnt even tell him.
Wrestlers have forgiven others with similar injuries.
@@mobparkerRocky forgave Drago for killing Apollo Creed (his best friend) and nearly breaking him during their match, which caused him to have PTSD and brain damage.
@@dragonfire4527 and rocky's son forgave rocky. why cant Miguel for his dad?