Simple 3 Link suspension! DIY solid axle swap S10 with Jeep Gladiator coils!
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- In todays video we install the Barnes4WD three link suspension kit in the rear of the Chevy S10. We end up getting this on its own weight in this video. Lots of welding, grinding and a little fabrication gets us to our goal. I am using stock rear gladiator coil springs for the rear of this project. It didn't work as planned, but what ever does!
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wow, can we all take a minute to appreciate the work he is able to do in that tiny garage! truck is coming along nicely! Can you notch the frame 3in for the spring perches to sit up in the frame higher?
Haha, thanks, anything’s is possible with a grinder and welder..
Now you have me thinking about my Comanche...
This is what I plan on doing a leaf spring delete and do this same kinda setup to my 2011 ford ranger fx4, once I first start on my solid axle swap
3:50 The worlds smallest welding table 😆BTW Lovin' the progress on the SAS s10!!
Man do I feel you. I’ve built a few jeeps in my raised ranch garage with my back against the garage door and air hose and welding cables all over mixed with hand tools. Not to mention your back and hips the next day.
like seeing a chevy get some love, cant wait to see this S10 on trail
I love these videos on the s10 man. I'm gathering parts for my zr2 blazer project. My gas tank is over the axle so I have room for the 4 link rear.
Thanks, version 2.0 will probably have a blazer tank or a suburban tank for higher capacity and a 4 link.
Maybe notch the frame a bit and switch over to a triple rate spring that collapses down some more but has some softer coils for added free length?
That was the goal, I wanted metal cloak dual rate springs, but if stock is too high than 2.5” lift will definitely be too high. I am moving on to the front and worrying about springs later, I have lots of options.
I love fabrication, it's like solving an adult puzzle! Figuring out how everything is going to package together. Great stuff man, keep it coming!
Thanks
I'm really digging this. Love the family fun ride. I mean 2 seat bouncers are cool but I want to share the experiences with my whole dysfunctional unit in cab not bored to death watching dad show off for strangers. Haha
Thanks, you got it exactly👊
I really enjoy seeing what he does next.
If you wanna get technical "3 link/panhard" is still 4 link. I find that suspension links are the most fascinating part. It's my favorite to scratch build on rc trucks.
Sounds like Nate is rub..... nope, nope.... (phrasing) Nate is.... influencing.... you with the laser line (and tools) trick. Local Jeep/exotic shop has adopted the same.
Haha, I have been using the laser for years, not influencing but he has great tips and tricks for sure.
Thought about a c notch on the frame to lift the coils up as high as you want….. awesome build so far!
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This video was awesome dude. Simple and directly to the point. I'm planning to 3 link my 79 Cherokee chief. This video will be a great guide to do it. Thanks and cheers from Baja!
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Frustrating no doubt. But I greatly enjoy your videos MB! You show what a typical guy at home can accomplish if they set their minds to it. Kudos brother.
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I’m surprised more people don’t use factory Bronco2 gas tanks and skids. Love the build, very similar to mine
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Such cool build 🤙
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This thing is turning out awesome. you've got me thinking about future builds.
Thanks👊
Yes! Ice been waiting on some great S10 content! Can I ask why you didn't stay with leafs in the rear?
Thanks, I could have done leaf’s but that would have been too easy, lol. I am not a fan of how leaf’s ride, you have to spend big money to get really good leafs that perform. I have ridden in and owned many leaf and coil spring rigs. Coil spring vehicles ride sooo much better. I don’t want to be beaten up on the trail. Supposed to be a comfortable family wheeler.👊🏻
Maybe consider getting a shorter spring but still the same spring tension.
I won’t be making any decisions until the front is done and the whole truck is on its own weight. I don’t really want to go with a shorter spring, I would loose down travel, but we will see.
Look into airbags. I had the same problem when I linked my yj and wanted to use tj coils. You are limited to just over 9" of travel, I did 4" up and 5" down. I was surprised how well it works and the adjustability was an added benefit. Loaded down or highway use I thow a little extra psi in for stability, get to the trail and air down a bit for flex and comfort. It is a great budget fix for your problem. My setup was supposed to be a band aid until I could afford coilovers, but now I may just run it. I don't do much high speed stuff though, the lack of up travel could bite you in that application I bet.
I have thought about airbags, I know Dave loves them and he’s them figured out, not sure if I want to go down that road.. maybe
I'm sure you will figure out the coils... only other thing i would maybe change is the lower pan hard mount so the rod end is mounted vertical to get proper throw... It might be fine the way it is.
Once it is lowered down to the height I want the angles will be fine. I can’t put the axle side mount anywhere where it would be straight up, no room.
May be harder to retain the springs, but I’m wondering if you could put the springs on a slight angle(like coilovers) and then put your upper perches inboard on the frame. Going inboard gives you plenty of height options moving up and down on the frame and a 15 degree angle would give you back a little bit of height as well.
so, your 4 inch difference is because of the coil spring mounting location on jeeps tend to be inboard or outboard mounted on the frame and on the s-10 you set them under the frame.
The frames are different and stock jt they are mounted inboard of the frame as well.
I’m thinking Tj rear springs would work better. Great video!
Thanks, Tj rear springs are not made to carry loads like a truck. Tj’s have very light rears, so the spring rate would not work for a truck with camping gear, bed rack and roof top tent.
A TJ spring would be too light. Teraflex sells a line of JK springs aimed at Overlander type builds that are designed to carry more weight. The rear coils are a larger diameter like those JT coils, but considerably shorter.
Ive learned when you have the front of truck on jackstands(to the frame, not axle) it can mess up the weight balance and throws all that stuff off and it looked like you had stands under the driver area. . I would try to set the front on ground if you can and see if any weight shifts back to the rear. or at least put the stands exactly where your front springs will be. I had to redo a few things due to that very thing throwing off my measurements.
Yup, jack stands on the frame in the front. I can’t set it down in the front because there is nothing there. I am not going to make any final decisions until, like you said I have everything on it and the front on the axle as well. Thanks 👊🏻
Love watching this build man! Great work! Thanks 🙏
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I LOVE this project!!!
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i think the spring rate on those JT springs is about double what you need, find some stock tj front springs.
Why do you think the spring rate would be too much? A stock JT is heavier, but only 500-800lbs heavier with a longer wheel base. They are both crew cab trucks with similar frame construction. I don’t think TJ springs would be the right move. My truck is going to have a good amount of weight in the back, with all my gear, rack and rtt.
@@MuddyBeards4X4 the jt weight is about 5k and then 1.2k added for payload, the rated spring rate i would think would be way higher than what your finished build would be. i guess what you really have to look for is what you want for as unload length and to get your full droop and then set frame side for full stuff before coil bind and then go for spring rate. lots of brain hurt'n to do....
@@MuddyBeards4X4 oh and it didn't look like the springs compressed much at all. still a lot of space between those perches.
“I’m running out of room real quick”. Wait till you get to the front axle. There is a ton of room on the rear compared to the front. 😊
Lol, true.
See a good pro for tons. A few more inches wide for tabs and only double the weight. Lol.
@@slowfox89 🤣
You may want to wait to set your rear height until you get the front linked and ride height set.
For sure, I am going to lower it 1.5”, and then like I said put the bed on and all the weight I will have daily back there and see where I am at. I am just 100% sure I don’t want it this high.
I wonder if you could get some 2nd gen 4runner coils from a wrecking yard if they would be the right height
Plus if there too soft or low you could get hd ones, lots of spring rates to choose
God i love this thing.
Haha, thanks. Me too
Notch the frame to set coils up higher
That is an option👍🏻
With a rear drag link I’m assuming your passenger side can droop more than the drivers side being that’s where the drag link is connected to the axle. I noticed this on my TJ. Wondering if you noticed this too?
Super glad you’re doing this build. I really like the idea of the S 10 and all that you’re doing to it. Did you move the axle back any? Or is it in the stock location?
Thanks, it is moved back about 1.5”, I wanted to keep it as close to stock as possible, it’s already pretty long
I would love to know what the finished wheelbase length is. I am currently planning a 4-door cab for my build, and haven't decided on the cab yet .... (GM 3+3, S-10, or Colorado)....
Thank You
Isn’t that top link triangulated and would cause binding with a trac bar?
Yup, just fixed it. Thanks for the tip🤟🏻
Awesome build! Just one question... isn't the coil upside down? Usually the small tip is on top. Keep up!
Thanks, nope these go small side down.
Why not get different coil springs instead of trying to make the gladiator springs work?? You could probably find a spring shop give them the dimensions of what you want along with Spring rate that way you dont have to go back through and redo everything……… can’t wait to see what this thing is going to look like
I have some factory height front XJ springs you can have. I’m in Federal Way, let me know if you want them.
Forgive my ignorance, I've been away for a while... you seem to be using a lot of parts from the TJ did something happen that I missed or are these extra parts that you had lying around? Either way I like the S10
Haha, yup the TJ is on jack stands. So far I have only taken out the axles, everything else is still there. I have huge plans for the Tj once this is done, full ground up rebuild🤟🏻
Cut the springs? 🤷🏻♂️ kinda janky but it’d work lol
haha, would it work... yes, but I am not going to do it.
Not hating by no means but are you using a harbor freight welder for the whole job? 110v or 220v? Looking good so far.
Air bags
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My poor ass would have chopped the springs to height 😂
I have a 98 zr2 truck. I am stoked about this. So you're leaving your factory fuel tank in the stock location?
Thanks, yes. Leaving the tank alone for now. I am eventually building a custom overland bed, I will probably put a suburban tank in the back when I do that, or a blazer tank if I don’t think I will need the extra fuel
So.. Just for informations sake, What's the length of the springs as it sits. Give someone like me an idea of where things would need to be if we copied this. I feel the small garage. Mine is full of a 68 F100. Built my Jeep outside on gravel beside the garage.
Can this be done with air bag suspension rather than coil springs?
You can but airbags and off road dont mix.
Throw some airbags in it instead of the coils.
Maybe.. 🤔
would you like to get some free light bars?
my question is when its all said and done wouldn't it have been easier and possibly cheaper to have just bought a jeep. I don't know just asking never owned a 4wd jeep i drive a ram 2500 4wd gas burner
Yes,he had a jeep,and using some parts off of it. Have to have youtube content i suppose.
No reason to buy a 20k jk that's been beat on for 10 years when he's got the parts to make a unique build and start fresh.
Chop spring lol
Too tall? You mean everything else is too short.
Its seems....not that simple.
Cut the coils. Iowriders have been doing it for years
Notch the frame? I've seen a few TJ guys have the coils on the outside of the frame but I'm pretty sure they had close to full width axles.
Full gas tank weight too
Yup 👍🏻