Reviewing DICE ► Has Leadership Turned The Ship Around..?
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- DICE have had many managerial issues throughout Battlefield 2042's development/launch, but with a new Battlefield title rumored to launch in 2025, have they finally righted the ship to build a solid entry into the series?
00:00 Intro
00:28 What is Glassdoor?
01:25 What Happened with DICE?
03:28 Recent Reviews & Management Issues
06:37 Battlefield 2042's Launch
09:27 Battlefield 2042's Development
11:55 ''Stay away for the time being''
18:32 Is DICE now in better hands?
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DICE havening a communication problem?
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The last guy should get a raise and be promoted. They need more ppl like that guy to make great games again.
Seems DICE treat their employees like their customers , they ask for opinions and advice and then they just do what they want and it goes t1ts up
I wouldn’t say they stopped the sinking ship, so much as pailed some of the water out of the boat
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I've played the game for 400 hours, and I can say that BF2042 doesn't feel like a real game, but like a simulation of a game. I'll try to explain:
What is presented here under the game process, it feels like something is not real. The gameplay itself. It’s as if the game was designed in such a way that everyone was constantly killing each other, and there weren’t huge positive K\D ratios like in previous parts of the BF series. Even the maps themselves are built in such a way that everything is visible. There are simply no dominant positions here, as in previous parts, for which it is interesting to fight.
Both the cards and the approach to balance seem to have been generated by a neural network - living people simply could not do something so bad. Seriously, I recently went into BF V for comparison and saw a huge difference. BF V was made by real people, there is a logic to the way the game is designed. In what BF2042 is, it simply doesn’t exist. You can take a screenshot of my comment, but I am sure that in 3-5 years, DICE will reveal the terrible secret that BF2042 created their neural network. And the entire team of “developers” were just testers.
Lmfao yes dude. They made a safe space shooter game where everyone has a chance. They put mechanics in the game so no one can be good.😂
@@DontHesitate140 Dude, not only did they do this, but through their influencers they promote the idea that “who even plays BF to win? Everyone plays for fun!” That is why your ridicule does not surprise me.
@@DontHesitate140this is why when the game launched there was no scoreboard, the game was made so that no one loose or feel bad.
I play BF since the the 1942 & I follow DICE development when they start developing the Frostbite Engine, before Bad Company came out. The company start decining before BF1 release (in development fase). If you remember there was a big time gap b/w the main game & DLCs. Thats when DICE management structure started falling apart. BFV fiasco was the climax of all that, the visible part. I have left many comments in forums, videoclips & discussions, warning about this long before BFV came out but outside everything was looking OK. The financial success of BF1 was a big catalyst of the change DICE suffered.
I've also played since 1942, Vietnam, through all of the games minus the mobile and 1943 since it was console exclusive. Even played before it was called Battlefield, it was just the mod "Desert Combat" as I recall. I agree with you almost entirely and I've done similar in the community raising warnings. I would only argue that the fall and mismanagement of Dice started with Battlefield 4. BF4 was the absolute worst launch of its time, it was very similar to 2042 in this regard, except that thousands of people couldn't even run the game due to crashes, the bugs were enormous, the optimization for both FPS and network was absolutely game-breakingly hideous (it took over 1 year to fix and make it one of the best Battlefields) - nonetheless, all of this was so bad it brought to light a new cynical era for gaming and Battlefield, where publishers would start releasing games so early in completely unfinished states.
With this in mind, this is why 2042, BFV, etc. were such a huge deal because it marks a pattern dating all the way back to BF4. So, in my eyes, this is how long it's been going on, and I'm going to count Battlefront as well, same developers, same concepts, same problems: BF4, BF1, Battlefront 1, Battlefront 2, BFV, and now BF2042.
BF4 was launched in Oct 2013, that makes literally 11 years of broken games at launch. While BF1 and BFV are considered great or decent now, they launched with tons of game breaking bugs, balance issues, crashing, etc. - although not like BF4, it was bad enough for myself and my friends to quit for 3-6 months waiting for fixes. With each game launch it has taken them over 1 year to fix and make more enjoyable - now with BF2042 taking the crown at over 2+ years to put in basic content, features, fixes, and remaking the maps. If they do this again, Battlefield is done for as 2042 was the most publicly-faced "expose" of what Dice/EA has done to a loved franchise.
@@willfullyinformed Desert Combat was BF2 Mod. The first DICE game was Codename Eagle if thats what you mean. There was a console only Modern Combat (if I remember corectly). The BF4 and later games are purely EAs fault because they were preasuring them for time schedules. Thats why DICE LA was formed to help because it was impossible task. It started with BF4 because before that DICE was new addition to EA & had a more liberty. For ex. DICE had 5+ years to create BF3. DICE even scratched everything & start from the beginning at some point. I remember there was a leak made on 2-3pixel phone camera in 2008-9 & it looked like Bad Company (it was single player-on some bridge).
I assume this will happen with Vince Zampela Ripple Effect (ex.DICE LA) as well. For now they have creative freedom but it wont last. Thats EAs pattern for many if not all their studios. Bad Company games were small & took less time. They were trials for the new engine. Actually the grand rehersal was MOH2010 Multiplayer-It was made by DICE & had for the 1st time that unified Weapon customization where all weapons had same attachment (heavy barel, grip & sights).
Fun Fact: that ability to dig trenches in BFV was a BF3 feature but was removed at the last minute because the servers wernt that powerful. With BF3 the server requirements were increased & many servers in East Europe just stopped working. I had 2-4ping in BC2 but after BF3 I cant get lower than 28-30ms & when add the physical distance the hit-reg was much worse.
It’s always management. It’s a new culture wave that’s taken over every industry the last few years. I work in a factory and I see it here too. Like the last dude mentioned, people are just being put in positions they aren’t really qualified to be in. They get really sensitive about their “vision” and they chase the dream of being like another project that made it big instead of making their project the best it can be.
Guarantee you that Call Of Duty, Apex, Fortnite, etc. all came up when pitching Specialists. Chasing trends when they should be making a Battlefield game.
corpo won't let change happen...
I'd like to see Enders prospective on this.
please no. This guy's take was level-headed, professional and didnt make too many assumptions.
Enders would do the exact opposite of that
@@mejdlocraftci I would find his unhinged rant comical....lol
Coming from a career software engineer (though not game dev), this honestly just sounds like the gaming industry is joining the rest of the tech industry in terms of how products and decisions get made - the description of top heavy decision making has been standard practice in tech for forever now. The days of "talented devs" are largely over at major companies, besides there isn't that big of a delta in raw code writing skills anyway, the "talented" part usually came from a time when devs had actual decision making and design power. Generally you'll have some higher up execs that want something done and then it's product leads/managers that make the decisions for how those goals will be achieved. The devs just figure out how to build the product they're told needs to be built in the time they're given.
Think of it like building a house - in the past for the gaming industry, the people who were actually building the house were also the ones designing and architecting the house, with help from people who have more specific skill sets for that, but generally the people building the house, who want to build the best house possible, were the ones deciding how the house gets built and how long that would take. These days, you have people who don't care how the house gets built, they just want to make the most money off of it and tell the builders what's going to be in the house, effectively stripping the builders from their power and input in the early design process of the house and putting all that power into the hands of people who have never built a house and aren't living in the houses being built and don't know how long it takes to build a house properly.
Working in the software industry myself, people dont realise how much depends on stakeholders taking the wheel and saying fuck you to the clients despite agreed feedback, its a big problem which is why Agile workflow is such a benefit to combat this but even sometime they try to take away the client needs with their needs. I do feel for ex DICE developers its clear they really didnt want to do this but had no to choice to leave and make their own studio when they could
Really interesting video! I love this kinda thing. Finding out that behind the scenes the regular folks at DICE agreed witn the community but some leaders pushed another direction is exactly how I thought it must have happened
Great video. Pretty much proves that a lot of the speculation was also a pretty accurate take on the state of things behind the scenes at DICE. Many factors at play, but nothing that couldn’t have been addressed by clear direction, decisive management and open discourse. As an ex-corpo I am overly familiar with the failings of one way mismanagement, both as an employee and a member of the leadership team. The one thing that continues to concern me is EA’s direction, because they absolutely will and do set key features that a title will need to be molded around, hence live service, extraction shooter, modding sandbox Battlefield game… Bears all the hallmarks of a Competitive Analysis report as well as fundamental misread of key opportunities. Great video 👍🏼
They've turned the ship around...in a circle so many times the navigation is broken and everyone got sea sick.
I’m still incredibly worried about the next battlefield.
I believe a lot of developers don’t actually play their own game. If they did they themselves would know what needs to be fixed.
As one can see with the 2042 Nightbird that can dominate entire rounds on public servers if a top pilot is in it.
Either that or they do play the game and it ended up like they wanted it to be, with weak vehicles and strong infantry.
I'm interested to know at what level of management do the problems start.
Is it at each department head, DICE as a whole, at EA, or maybe all of them.
Super long, but also super interesting. I really like background information like this. I really hope that the next title is created under better circumstances and that Dice shows us that they can still do it. Of course many have left, but for me it is also a small glimmer of hope that people like David Sirland are returning. Great video, keep it up!
Really liked the video, Im glad you didnt overdo do it with baseless assumptions based only on your feelings about the game but stuck with what the reviews were actually saying. Very informative and level headed. Thank you!
This whole "they force their visions through" thing shines a new light on the double TTK disaster in Battlefield V :D
Sticked around for the whole video, and it is very informative. The date of the reviews definitely correlates with the chronology of the problems around the release of Battlefield 2042. I'm definitely hoping to see the right team working at Dice for the upcoming Battlefield title!
If they can get their netcode together it'll be amazing.
Agreed, I was tired of dying around corners since 4
Last leadership thought of building a game to get rich off selling skins not having a good game epic leadership hiring a guy from candy crush on marketing skins to sell to get rich thank God the guy from apex is on the job i hope for the best but expect the worst
I have hope because I love this franchise but we're still talking about EA here. Like many companies these days, EA cares more about their ideologies than they do about Battlefield development and their fan base. It's a recipe for disaster as far as I'm concerned.
Very interesting vid, Ghost! Thx for! More of that please!!!!!!
don't put a candy crush designer in charge of a fps...
You know what, I have no faith in the next title. 2042 will be looked at as one of the better modern bfs in the future.
Yeah just like BF4 "it had a rocky start" is what they will remember.
Except BF4 was actually a good game and just broken.
I disagree. I think 2042 will be viewed as the definitive worst Battlefield title. The game still feels like a free-to-play ripoff.
no it wont. anyone with a brain will remember 2042 is the worst fps of the 2020s and the worst battlefield ever released.
@@diddykong9366’Worse fps’. 😂 You clearly haven’t played anything except Fortnite and bf42 on your step dad’s game pass.
Only time will tell at this point
Great video! This one needs more eyeballs
This kinda gave me a little bit of hope for next BF, hopefully they finally learn from their mistakes and we can have at least good and fun to play game (that resembles previous BF games). Thanks for video.
great video man, puts a lot into perspective
Fantastic video - very interesting to learn about. Thank you for this!
Excellent video. Nice research.
As a software engineer (not in gaming but in other sectors) i can tell you that most of the time the managers are the problems not the engineers. Most managers have no idea how software is made, all they care about is meeting arbitrary deadlines and KPIs pleasing the manager above them and making money. They constantly push for faster deliveries which means delivering buggy crap, increasing technical debt ... It's the sad reality of the software industry
great video ... Glassdoors will be a great source for the next 12-18 months to keep an eye on!!
What really counts is three next release. Don't preorder. Don't believe statements or trailers. Just check what they really put out after release, then you know what you get. Everything is changed. The people, the engine. It has nothing to do any more with the titles you remember.
It is about #1 making money,#2 saving money,#3 how to make more money... like all business owners
Good video Ghost, truly eye opening stuff 😵
Well thats explains alot on how this game turned out. Must have been frustrating for the devs working when some of them knew about the cracks in the ship… Great scoup ghost!
Yeah like I see and hear it's all about the management not listening to the developers and employees
Oh man, I'm so sharing this video. Super informative.
very good find and video
So long story short, blame the captain not the crew. Cool video btw :)
No browser so the 1 match I play a day has me forced into a random ping cluster most of the time.
fuck now i need to add more to my 2042 video lmao i never thought to go and look into Glassdoor to see the actual Reviews for Dice. I feel like it would give me clarity to the mismanagement of the higher ups
Great vid!
Really informative and great video
12:05 BFV kept getting major updates untill June of 2020
Just a little um actually for u there.
Struck Gold! U have there Ghost.
More content creator needs to talk about this
Thank you for a great video! I have suspected it was like described for years now (problem in top leadership taking strange decisions). Alot of strange decisions like very long TTL in BFV around christmas 2 years in a row. And BF2042 was a joke at release... I have played Alpha in earlier BF-games in better state than BF2042 was.
Another issue is that DICE seems to try and chase fads. It's also where DICE fails because they never execute it as good as the game that created such fad.
Battlefield was different. It's what set it apart. Do things that Battlefield does well. Don't chase cod, do your own thing. Update your netcode, lean into the M rating, add gore and such. Have maybe even a gore system with chunks and guts. It is a Battlefield after all.
So many things could be done. They just need to open their minds
Great vid. much appreciated
They made a game that uses team work, while the whole time they didn't do just that! Holding my breath on next game
We want a Battlefield 3-4 experience basically.
No superhero bulldust. Classes.
LOTS, I repeat, LOTS of maps on launch and with each season/dlc. Say 8 maps at launch and 3-4 maps per season.
SERVER BROWSER at launch.
Leaderboard and anything else Dice considers a "legacy feature" IN THE GAME AT LAUNCH.
Weapon attachments that aren't all same, same.
Stop pandering to twitch heli abusers, 100+ kills 1-2 deaths heli pilots kill lobbies.
Don't faff around with base weapon stats 2 years into the lifespan of the game.
You know what the last post proves? "Old Guard" has every reason to be blamed for 2042 as is management. They really didn't do anything to stop the disaster, instead just farmed salaries before jumping ship.
I also would like to point out that EA is very much responsible for 2042, not just management. EA are the ones who picked this new management to run 2042's development. They really thought it was a good idea
I don't know. The state of S7, the staff that has recently left like ML and the sacking of the whole Ridgeline studio is not giving me confidence.
Employee politics is insightful, but gamers are going to judge them by the games they release. They didn't do enough in 2042 to give it the "Battlefront 2 revival" as claimed by EA's CEO Andrew Wilson in the last investor call.
Don't get me wrong, they have made some great improvement to the game. But S7 is a clear management call that has undone all that good will the developers had built up to Season 6. You would have to be so out of touch with the games community to think the effort on Season 7 was going to be nothing but a failure.
Makes you now question have they really learned anything?
My fear is EA got cocky after season S6 success. Changed plans to go all out for that WZ clone and are going to bite off more than they can chew, and the core BF experience will suffer once again.
I hope they realize how crucial it is that they kill it with this game. If we have a third failure, it's most likely over for the franchise. All they have to do is let the devs give us what we want.
Very good video very informative
that thumbnail is what ive been saying. the entirety of dice has forgotten what makes a battlefield game its own ip. ever since the old dice left theyve been chasing this cod warzone copycat clone. at least bfv still felt looked and played like a battlefield game. it had destruction, server browsers, rotating maps, and it introduced the most in depth physics. it had the best graphics in any battlefield to date and it ran extremely well. that game also implemented skins way better, they had actual faction bases skins. 2042 is literally a ripoff of warzone and they really tried to copy it to fit into the br craze.
They've been chasing COD/MW ever since BF3 which was a highly controversial release among the fans at the time.
Unfortunately most companies are more concerned with selling add ons
the worst thing is reduced content, worse than unbalanced or bug
Ok so dice is dead ... I understand why Marcus left.
He saw how bad the management was and nothing can be done
There's definitely things that are out of the hands of the devs and are entirely to blame on management, like the overall vision of the game, gimmicky events like the weather events, the superhind and railgun tank existing or the amount of explosive abilities, but things like vehicle balance, weapon balance, class balance, map design, all of these things are to blame on the devs. 2042 has many faults and some of it is to blame on EA, some of it is to blame on DICE management but the devs are hardly innocent and I think it's important that we still recognise the mistakes they've made and don't just shove it under the rug and blame big bad EA for every little thing.
I would take every review of DICE on Glassdoor, ESPECIALLY the last guy with a huge grain of salt. It is VERY easy to say 'management bad' and 'us devs good' when your one of the devs, and never have been in management. The last Glassdoor review sounds like a very disgruntled employee freshly separated from the company and listening to a disgruntled employee talk about their ex-company is like listening to a child rant about their parents, is there actually truth here? Or is the kid just mad? People who have never held positions of management are always quick to blame management for things when sometimes management is just doing their job as they best see fit, I learned this bit of common sense as a teenager working my first job, noticing that some kids complained about the managers and how 'they were so mean' but when working with these kids and observing the situation, the managers were making those kids actually work, and the kids would complain.
Obviously management does not seem to be perfect at DICE & 2042 clearly launched with some questionable changes, but these Glass Door reviews are something NOT to take as hard truth, but as one persons side of how their employment went with some expected exaggerating to support their views of how it should have been.
At the end of the day, if a game is a failure then that falls on the shoulders of EVERYONE involved, trying to say 'oh its managements fault, us programmers are great' or 'us engineers are the good guys' here etc is just not going to fly, the ENTIRE COMPANY is what failed when the product fails and trying to act like it is just one part of the company really does not work. The consumer doesn't care who didn't do their job right, the whole company failing is what they see.
answer NO
Don't be sad, this is how it works out sometimes😂
That fits into what Shroud has said, they paid the streamers for their advise and didnt listen to even one thing the streamers said^^ lol
Season 7 has been very difficult. Fun limited time game modes are very laggy. Servers can not seem to keep up. Too many times at the start of the match server crashes and I get kicked back to the lobby. Sometimes I get an error code, sometimes it just says the match has ended. Other times it says nothing just black screen and then back to the main screen.
Yesterday I tried Frontlines, Conquest and Breakthrough. In all 3 game modes I could only get a match on redacted. After pressing cancel for the 7th time I quit. I uninstalled 2042 and installed BFv.
It is SHOCKING how much 2042 has lost compared to BFv. According to these comments . All the devs could see it was all going wrong. know devs have put a lot of time and effort into getting 2042 up and running. The is just not good enough. I uninstalled 2042.
Battlefield V, the last real Battlefield game.
Sounds like they enjoy the work environment, but dont have faith in a good game still due to management. So they have a cushy job, but dont like the product....
And that is why we got garbage field 2042
Sorry, but how can you call 3.9 a “good company”?
It’s above average at best.
I always thought EA was the biggest priblem why bf games become so bad. Reading all these reviews makes it clear it’s mostly DICE (leadership) problem.
Nope no confidence in them anymore whatsoever
Great video, the next game will be a fail, at least initially
People think this team won't keep trying to push their shitty ideas through in the next version? Think again. Battlefield as we know it is dead.
Just can’t wait to see how much worse they can make the next one.
DICE is not solely the problem. It's mostly EA and their need to release a new game every year, usually when it's not fully complete.
EA definitely play a big role in this as well and are even likely influencing the manager that are spoken about in these reviews. DICE's opportunity for redemption is coming though, let's hope they seize it!
I think you have it backwards. EA is a big part of the problem, but DICE management bears the most responsibility for producing the worst and most un-Battlefield game in the franchises history.
DICE/EA have learned nothing. EA will always put people in management positions that they believe are best suited to push their agenda forward. You can bet that the best people have left the project, and the people left steering the next game will only continue the slow death of the franchise. 2042 is an unmitigated disaster. Based on the most recent decisions with 2042 in terms of the changes and content they have released, it's clear they are not interested in listening to feedback. The next BF game will be just as bad as this one.
The answer is: NO!!!
Hear me out…a new battlefield game where we can play as different special ops from all over the world with different abilities and weapons per team…for example seals can swim faster and longer or whatever each teams specialties are…delta force Spetnaz Grom etc
So...... Basically, "specialist teams"? GTFOH! That's not Battlefield.
@@jaym1244 from what I've read he is clearly describing asymmetrical warfare which is not unheard of in fps games that ARE NOT hero shooters and asymmetrical warfare was featured in battlefield Vietnam.
They messed up the Drone I used to be able to destroy their spawn Beacon other stuff with my drone now you can't even destroy anything with your drone that's bullcrap get them to put it back
Reviewin-geh, puts me off, sorry.
I'll be 100% honest.
EA needs to move away from using frostbite, use Unreal Engine. that way more people from different studios can assist, as it's widely used and easier to use.
then, I'm sorry, this will piss people off. End DICE. I love DICE, and the old devs that still works there.
But end it.
Kill DICE, let another studio take battleifeld in, allow them to have all of DICE old resources, but have it as a clean reset. Allow new eyes to look at the franchise, allow new people to provide feedback, and use the old currently emplyeed devs to take the responses to run a new studio within EA.
No more Frostbite, a clean sweep.
that said, obviously EA is the trouble child that needs to go, but that aint happenin
Frostbite engine in terms of its capabilities far outright Unreal engine. Not saying that Unreal Engine is bad, If you use frostbite engine in the right way now that its also bein getting upgraded the last 3 years, I'm sure its the better option knowing it will be used in the right degree.
This is most important video about the situation of battlefield
Is there any new post about the "new dice"?
When the bar for leadership was buried 6ft deep, excavating it to ground level is an improvement, but still leaves much to be desired. If 2042s support was righting the ship, RIP DICE. Hopefully BF goes to a studio who's leadership isn't totally up it's own ass. 🖕EA🖕DICE🖕2042
Fact: The game has been playable since season 1.
Fact: New BF players are going to suck at the game for months.
Fact: BF is an awful game to play when there are no good players on your team, leading to an even more awful experience.
Fact: Having AI Bots on both sides ruins the experience even more.
Fact: As playable BF may be, other titles are more fun to play right now.
A dark grity bf is all i want like bf3
This has been an interesting video to watch. It has brought to light some of the weird decisions that were made behind the scene. But I will NOT be caught up in the next marketing hype. No no no. I didn’t buy 2042 and I’m not buying the next until I see some goddamn quality.
i dont think dice have improved anything on this game other than making the light vehicles not act like tanks. The guns still have no recoil and no spread. The rockets still do very little damage to tanks and now they even made it so the only person you will ever see running enough c4 to kill a tank is lis.