Das Interview enthält einige der interessantesten, philosophischen Ansätze die mir bisher untergekommen sind. Obwohl ich in vielen Punkten anderer Meinung bin, zeigt Herr Schueftan viele Blickwinkel auf, aus denen ich den Nahostkonflikt noch nicht betrachtet habe. Sehr zu empfehlen!
Leute, in den nächsten Tagen und Wochen kommen Folgen mit ganz vielen Ansichten auf diesen Nahost-Konflikt und die herrschende Lage hier. Wartet es ab.
*First episode of Jung & Naiv in the Middle East with Israel's security advisor, Dan Schueftan*. In this 90-minute episode we talk about: _What's going on in Israel? Why is there war? Is it about religion? What is zionism? Did Jesus come back in 1948? When und why was Israel founded? What happened afterwards? Is there dumb and smart optimism? What was the British mandate? Why is Israel such a happy nation? Why are there so many wars after its foundation? Who fights against whom? Are Arabs capable of pluralism? Why does Dan think Arabs are barbaric? Why does Dan hate Disneyland? Do Europeans live in Lala Land?_ (Thanks to the ever awesome Brent Sluder for a new theme, thanks to Sadaf Mirzaei for the new graphics.)
From 19 min up to 21:15 min !!! Great explanation of jewish society in Europe! Be Human. And because of that the most jewish people from east Europe do not want to go to Israel. The will become over there normal people :-) But on the other hand who wants to let his carrier as an musician or big boss ;-)
I think they are not trying to keep their sins away, because the israelis justify the attack or bombing of GAZA in the way that arabian liga trying to destroy them. So as result they are making so strong and merciless policy against palestine or groups who wants the same for israel! They have no other option. They are surrounded of muslim countries and have no way to do it other way. Try to live on continent surrounded of christian countries like in balkans.
Danke Herr Jung! Das is es was die Welt braucht: jedem zuzuhören, versuchen zu verstehen ohne gleich zu verurteilen. Sie haben ein Talent dafür! Ich konnte lernen :)
I have to tell you that Israel is the best. I m an old lady with grey hair and a stick and I get the most respect people help me to the bus with my agalah I have five children in the army. And pry for them. Are the things not so good. Yes. Burocracyn is impossible and as for the drivers on the roads well not the best behaved. Come to Israel peanut find at least ten good things to be thankful for ❤🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
ich muss gestehen ich kannte Daniel Schueftan vor diesem interwiev nicht, aber ich muss gestehen das mich seine art zu reden (argumentiern) wirklich faziniert hat..... schade nur das solche menschen kaum gehört bei uns im legalond bekommen. *g
@Tilo Jung, thanks for the amazing interview. It was very good but mostly due to Dan Schueftan. This interview showed how little knowlege you have about the history of Israel and the middle east. I am stunned how someone can talk about the middle east conflict and know nothing about the PLO, Hamas and Israel. Jung & Naiv is a perfect description.
5 years later, I've seen Mr. Schueftan chuckling on conference with Douglas Murray about how Europe finally can understand a bit how Israel feels....after the massive influx of Islam in recent years.
Seriously? You need to expand your knowledge before you can call him eye opening! He’s totally distorting facts to fit his views!!! Despicable!!!! He’s laughable as a Middle East expert🤯
@@SG-zv2uc My knowledge is expanded enough and I need no advice from a supporter of a cr!m!nal-tyr@nn!cal-g€n0c!d@l st@te. You nor him are hardly good sources to seek any knowledge, wisdom or common sense from! Since you offered your opinion I thought I’d trade you with a question to reflect upon…who’s more foolish, those you think are fools or the one who converses with fools? 🤔😉🫣🤭😑
@@Who.is.kidding.who.If you throw such accusations towards such individual, you MUST offfer some REASONS, some FACTS, some....SOMETHING. Otherwise, you better be QUIET.
Really interesting interview, if not more than a tad negative outlook by Dan (or perhaps he would say realistic.) Also speaking as a proud European, I don't think he gives us enough credit for our accomplishments & way of life. Shame the light went would love to have heard more.
Verdammt, ich habe gespannt zugehört und jetzt habe ich Bauchschmerzen - vielleicht, weil ich einer der beschriebenen naiven Europäer bin, die im Lalaland leben, weit entfernt von der Realität, die in Israel herrscht. Ich bin gespannt auf Euren Beitrag, welcher die Gegenseite zu Wort kommen lässt.
Sehr, sehr interessantes Interview @Tilo Jung. ! Klasse gemacht. EIn wirklich interessanter und sehr intelligenter Gesprächspartner. Würdest du mir verraten in wie fern er die Möglichkeit hatte, sich auf das Interview und deine Fragen vorzubereiten? Ich bin fasziniert davon wenn jemand seine Positionen so verständlich, aber dennoch umfassend und dazu verdammt eloquent ausdrücken kann. Da wird man richtig neidisch. Weiter so!
He makes jokes about Israelis, Jews, Europeans and Arabs. It goes quite a bit too far to call him a racist. That's ridiculous. He simplifies things and narrows them down for his opposite to understand fairly complex conditions. An ability quite rarely found in academic research.
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I mean, nothing has changed. He's still right. You just can't say it anymore without getting bullshit from clowns who don't know anything about the conflict
Wie krass! Eben erst - I've just in this moment, when I wanted to write a comment, realized, that this interview took place 9 years ago! But it is today still as actually informative and relevant as it was 9 years ago I think. But I remarqued a little mistake or slip of tongue, that happend to Mr. Schuftean, when he seid, that Hamas was founded in 1978. As I know, Hamas was founded in 1987... But doesn't matter! I appreciate the cool, friendly, sometimes a little bit ironic but always very patient way, in which Mr. Schuftean is making an effort to explain the history of the middle east conflict from the very different thinking and view of life of most of the jewish people against the view and thinking of most nice and well educated but therefore also rather naiv young european people with their happy and comfort lifestyle experiance (like living in Disneyland) to this young podcaster who represents his young european audiance very well with his questions and comments, which sometimes seem to relevate his non understanding or non believing of what his interview partner is trying to tell or to explain him. Thank you both for this honest and authentic conversation!👍
Egypt's leader Nasser in 1967 blocked the straits of Tiran which is Israel's port to the Southern hemisphere, so that was the trigger for the war, even though Israel attacked first.
Several points here: 1. He is extremely well trained at framing arguments. 2. What he says about optimism hit the nail on the head. 3. There are Muslims and Christians in Egypt who coexist and they actually do marches together. Egypt has an orthodox Christian church. 4. A lot of Arabs and Muslims do only want domination and don't like anyone who isn't Arab/Persian and (emphasis) Muslim in the part of the world. The thing is, every group of people wants to dominate too: Christians, Jews, Muslims, Whites, whatever the majority is or whoever has power wants to keep it and treat the other people like shit. 5. He is right about dictators in West Asia too...Let's be real Iraq was better off under Saddam Hussein than it is now. 6. Arabs don't know how to coexist and how can you expect them to? That part of the planet has been invaded, controlled, or exploited by Romans, Greeks, Mongols, British, U.S. etc. We put in place the Shah, we supported the Mujaheddin (Al Qaeda, Taliban, etc), supported Saddam, supported Mubarak, supported Ghaddafi, etc. We still support King Abdullah and let Saudi Arabia do whatever it wants just like Israel (America's two favorite spoiled brats).Not to mention wars, sanctions drone strikes. The Arab world is probably the most micromanaged area on Earth. 7. The Palestinian people support Hamas because looks out for them and they have no else one to turn to. 8. His assessment of Libya is also right on target. 9. This man really is the personification of Jewish excellence and superiority complex.
You should really be embarrassed to take on yourself the blame for the state of the Arab world! You should stop relieving the Arabs of responsibility for their own lives. They are responsible for their live, not the West! Stop already with this useless guilt!
ich habe einen kommentar weiter unten gelesen, dass der gast sehr interessant sei.... dem stimme ich voll zu.... man sollte mir solchen menschen öfter reden ... auch aus anderen ländern....
I would question who is accountable for allowing a charity worker to go into an overseas on-going intensive war zone, when there is plenty of lifesaving opportunities in their own country. War-torn environments are zones that require specialised training and intense military awareness for self preservation. A noble deed doesn’t necessarily equate to an intelligent action. I would also question the commercial stations for the way they feed their popcorn-chewing narrow minded audiences. (AIIA and Chatham House would be a far better choice for receiving quality information) 😎
Think about how he might be right with his perspective. We people in Europe can afford to live in 'Lalaland' because we have shamefully forgotten about history. Just go and ask the descendants of the North American Natives, or the Mayas, the Indians, the Kongolese, the Malays how it turned out for them to be naive towards Europeans a few hundred years ago. Ironically, without exploiting these people, modern Europeans would not be able to live in wealthy Lalaland. But yeah, today, we can forget about all these petty things.
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Beeindruckend, wie du und dein Team arbeiten, unterstütze das gerne. Ich bin gerade ziemlich erstaunt darüber, wie wenig ich eigentlich über Israels Geschichte und all seine Kriege wusste. Das ist natürlich aus seiner subjektiven Sicht erzählt, dennoch erklärt das so ein bisschen dieses aggressive Wesen, was wir häufig in arabischen Staaten erleben. Gerade ja auch wieder in Lybien, die sich sehr schwer tun ihr Land ohne Diktator an der Macht zu regieren. Könntest du in Zukunft vielleicht nach so einem langen Interview noch ein Recap drehen? Mit deinen persönlichen Eindrücken.
+Der Dudelino da wird mit absicht alles in chaos gehalten... die araber waren lange vor dem westen zivilisiert... schon mal die geschichten aus tausend und einer nacht gelesen.... diese märchen erzählen nicht von barbaren...
In arabischen Ländern werden noch immer Frauen gesteinigt. Wer noch nach der Scharia lebt, dem fällt es schwer eine Zivilisation mit Werten aufrecht zu erhalten. Auch in Sachen Gleichberechtigung sind wir in Europa ein paar Jahrzehnte voraus.
Der Dudelino diese werte werden von den westlichen ländern gefördert ---- siehe saudi arabien..... in irak wie auch in den anderen arabischen ländern wurde regimes abgeschafft und mit der neuen ordnung chaos bewusst provoziert. man kann seine interessen besser durchsetzen wenn ein land zerstritten ist als wenn sich alle einig sind.... und manche bevorzugen eine politik der spannung.....
Damit hast du sicherlich Recht. Gerade die USA haben den Nahen Osten wissend oder unwissend massiv destabilisiert. Oft hat man ja das Gefühl, die CIA weiß nicht wirklich was sie tut und dient als schlechter Berater für das Weiße Haus.
and if you don´t know, now you know...; "let me give you an example";) He has an strange ideology and point of view, he seems to be a little bit, just a little bit righteousle. I think, no I bet, there will be a lot of people outrage, hear him speak and he knows and enjoys it. Difficult perspectives to difficult Problems, what more can I say!
Wojtek Bernhard I can say that you are a brainwashed individual with Europeans elite obsolete ideas. The Prof. Is talking about facts not wishful thinking.
Daniel Schueftan ist Israeli und er betrachtet alles unter dem Gesichtspunkt, ob es Israel schadet oder nutzt. Das ist sein gutes Recht als Israeli. Es ist aber auch unser gutes Recht als Deutsche oder Europäer, dasselbe zu tun, dieselbe Betrachtungsweise anzuwenden bezüglich unserer Heimatländer.
Minute 56: er meint die ägyptische Fliegerstaffel. Nicht die kompletten Streitkräfte. Den Iron Dome hat Israel nicht von Frankreich gekauft, die im Sechstagekrieg verwendete Munition kam meines Wissens aus den USA, so wie heute noch viel von der Ausrüstung.
He is referring to the Egyptian Air Force, then the Iraqi, Syrian and Jordanian Air Force. Everything was destroyed by Israel at the beginning of the war. You're wrong about armaments too. The U.S. did not supply weapons to Israel at the time.
@@frauleinanni1528And you think that the former First Lady of Egypt knows better where Israel got its weapons from than the Israeli academic and chairman of the National Security Studies Center at the University of Haifa. The main supplier was France, but there were also secret deliveries from Germany using American helicopters, the forwarding of which had not been approved by the Washington Office of Munitions Control. The USA had already refused to supply weapons to Israel during the Sinai campaign in 1956. My source is a scientific paper from the University of Göttingen in Germany.
wie unfassbar entlarvend ihn einfach reden zu lassen. Ich hab mich immer zurückgehalten mit meiner Meinung über Israel, weil ich ANgst hatte nicht alle Informationen zu haben, aber wenn sie selber so reden... Danke Tilo
Escriba DeBalaguer ich glaube israel verübt über einen langen zeitraum völlig unverhältnismäßige und unnötige gewalt und schikane an einer großen bevölkerungsgruppe, insbesondere zivilisten.
Hä, habe ich nicht geschrieben dass ich Angst hatte Fehlinformationen zu unterliegen? Dann habe ich mir ein 90-minütiges Interview mit einem israelischen Funktionär angeschaut, und ein paar weitere Videos dieser Reihe, und nun würde ich behaupten beide Seiten zur Genüge gehört zu haben. Und mein Schluss ist: Israel verübt über einen langen zeitraum völlig unverhältnismäßige und unnötige gewalt und schikane an einer großen bevölkerungsgruppe, insbesondere zivilisten. Ich meine: mit jedem Satz den der Kerl im Video sagt versucht er Krieg und Terror zu rechtfertigen und hat offensichtlich keinerlei Interesse an einer friedlichen Lösung. Es gibt auch weltweit kein Militär, dass eine solche große Zahl von Zivilisten in einem Freiluftgefängnis hält, ihnen den Zugang zu Nahrung und Wasser erschwert und willkürlich gegen die Grenzbewohner vorgeht. Flugblätter schön und gut, Haus und Hof sind danach trotzdem zerstört, und wenn man nirgends hinkann ist das eigene Leben trotzdem nicht sicher. Ich verteidige auch gar nicht die Hamas, aber Frieden kann nur vom Unterdrücker ausgehen.
ich werd mir das ding nicht nochmal angucken, nur um ein paar passende zitate zu finden, aber wenn israel ruhe will ist es nicht die cleverste option seine nachbarn zu unterdrücken und willkür walten zu lassen. die palestinenser haben keine rechte, sie können nur as dem untergrnd heraus agieren. und mir ist natürlich bewusst dass israel in weiten teilen verhasst ist, aber das wird durch so eine politik nicht besser werden. wann kam das letzte friedensangebot von netanyahu?
@@460mas Bullshit. You get either a tourist Visa upon arrival, at least for many countries, e.g. Germany among others, i have done it. Or being a Journalist invited to interview the Foreign Secretary you would get a press visa.
Well name the cases, and we will see. Most of them were either iranian nationals or they were working while they just applied for a tourist visa. Pretty dumb.
@@simonl.6338 er stellt es so dar, als hätten die Juden aus Osteuropa nir Chaos gebracht. Das möchte ich zumindest für Breslau/Wrocław zurückweisen. Daß es osteuropäische/sowjetische Juden waren, die während der Mandatszeit Großbritanniens Terrorakte verübt haben, wußte ich vor drei Monaten noch nicht. Insgesamt ist seine Redeweise ziemlich hitzig.
Er spricht von der Mehrheit der Juden in Palästina, die nur den Zarismus und Kommunismus zur Zeit der britischen Besatzung Palästinas kannten. Breslau gehörte nie dem Zarenreich an und wurde erst nach 1945 Teil eines sozialistischen Staates. Er meint also ausdrücklich nicht die Juden aus Breslau, die nur eine kleine Minderheit ausmachten. Die Mehrheit der Juden zur Zeit des brittischen Mandats stammt aus Russland, in den 50ern stammt die Mehrheit der jüdischen Einwanderer aus islamischen Regionen, die bis heute trotz Öffnung der Grenzen nach dem Zusammenfall der sozialistischen Staaten und einer erneuten Fluchtbewegung nach Palästina eine knappe Mehrheit der jüdischen Bevölkerung in Israel bilden. Vielleicht solltest du etwas aufmerksamer und aufgeschlossener zuhören, statt hier eine Unterstellung nach der anderen abzulassen.
Eine sehr unsympathische Figur - ich hoffe sehr dass diese Sendung nicht dem Anti-Semitismus Nahrung gibt. Gott sei Dank habe ich ganz andere Juden kennen gelernt.
Sonst würdest du alle hassen? 😂 Alter, lies dir deine Sätze nochmal durch.. was für ein vergiftetes Gewäsch. Ich hoffe auch, du hast ein paar "ganz andere" Schwarze kennengelernt, nicht dass die dir noch Anlass geben, alle zu hassen...
@@timkaradas3255 Ich habe genau das Gegenteil geschrieben! Mein Name ist übrigens jüdisch - ich habe ihn bei der Hochzeit angenommen weil der Vater meiner Frau der einzige mit diesem Namen gewesen ist der den Holocaust überlebt hat.
@@thomasszejnmann3917 Wenn man schlecht über Juden spricht, ist man entweder Rassist oder selber einer. Das ist so ähnlich als würde ein Schwarzer sagen, dass Afrikaner super faul sind und nur Ärger machen wollen😂
"You assume that barbarians and civilized people are the same thing- I'm sorry! The barbarians should be denied what civilized people should have!" 😢 Superiority talk par excellence without ever trying to understand the deep reasons why coexistence seems to be impossible in a lot of places, or portraying the many examples of peaceful cohabitation in Arab countries.
Great interview! But how could he say that the official Israeli policy has always been two states? You just need to listen to Netanyahu and the officials in his government to realize that that claim is false.
If, instead of Palestinians, Swiss or Belgians lived next to Israel, Netanyahu would agree to a two-state solution easily! The problem is not Netanyahu, but the Palestinians! Israel has offered them peace and its country several times - the Palestinians have always refused.
Interesting ..this man says Europeans took the Jewish identity from a Faith based group into a man based identity ... Abraham was a man of God this is what defined him and the commandments of God were given to he’s descendants... If you obey those laws you were accepted and if you reject those commandments you were not accepted in the nation.. Many people BECAME Jews and changed the meaning of being a Jew. Zionists took the name from the holy book (Zion) but reject the holy book itself...no wonder there is war in the holy land. Also he said we (Jews were exiled 2000 years ago ...and when he spoke about the messiah he said Jesus lived 2000 year ago......coincidence ???
Tilo, achte mal bitte demnächst auf deinen Fragen. Etwas Naivität ist ok, solange es nicht dämlich ist. Ich verstehe dass viele deine Zuschauern vom alter her, ziemlich jung sind. Aber das ist kein Grund deine Hausaufgabe als sozusagen jurnalist nicht zu machen vor der interview. Man will schließlich die Zuschauer informieren und dazu gehört ausser Fragen zu Stellen, auch die Antworten von den Person , den man befragen, zu verdeutlichen. Denn es könnte auf Dauer, zweifeln auf die Ernsthaftigkeit deine Sendung bringen. Die zweite ist, ich finde es ist schade, dass du so ein Hochqualifizierte Person bei dir in deiner Sendung hast, der deine Zuschauer gerne zuhört, aber dein Gast die letzte Momente deine interview in so eine Dunkelheit weiter zu befragen, wo man garnicht mehr sehen kann, ist einfach respektlos. Das ist schade. Versteht das bitte nicht als Beleidigung sondern mehr als Kritik von einem deiner Abonnenten.
hat selbst gemerkt wie irrsinnig die idee mit dem korridor ist und macht dann so ein hässlichen witz über das tunnelsystem, zwar versucht der mann die ganze zeit zu sagen ja nicht alle araber und man muss differenzieren aber der hat schon so einige vorbehalte, nichts desto trotz habt ihr da n echt interessanten interview partner gefunden
😂😂😂 was für eine verrückte Idee, Atheist hat von Gott ein Land versprochen bekommen! Ein Volk bzw Nation aus allen Kontinenten, verschiedenen Hautfarben, verschiedenen Kulturen… wen wollt ihr versrschen
Very interesting discussion. It would have been more interesting still if he was asked to clarify some of the foundations of his worldview, for example what is a barbarian? Can barbarians become civilised? Is it the obligation of civilised people to rule over or dominate the barbarians? What is the qualification to be recognized as civilised? Are all Jews civilised? Are all arabs barbarians? Is there a reliable test for determining a person is civilised? Is it possible for civilised people to regress to barbarianism? The more clarifications we have about what exactly Zionism is, the better for everyone. It seems to me that Zionism and globalism are closely related, perhaps even identical.
Zionism only expresses the desire to have a self-determined life in a state that offers Jews protection from pogroms, persecution, dispossession, expulsion and discrimination after 2000 years of exile. What this has to do with globalization is beyond me. And he explained your other questions with many examples. Maybe you didn't listen properly. "what is a barbarian" For example, someone or a society that strives for violence and war more than to provide a good life for its family/citizens. "Can barbarians become civilised?" Yes, of course. "Is it the obligation of civilised people to rule over or dominate the barbarians?" No, of course not. Civilized societies should strive for the well-being of their people and protect them from barbaric attacks. In other videos he always emphasizes that he is in favour of a unilateral withdrawal from most (96%) of the Palestinian territories in the West Bank. In 2005 he supported Ariel Sharon's withdrawal from Gaza and parts of the West Bank. "What is the qualification to be recognized as civilised?" For example, not threatening his neighbors with extermination, as Hamas does. To build a pluralistic and democratic society so that its citizens can lead a self-determined and good life that is life-affirming, instead of raising its children to martyrdom and paying terrorists who blow up civilians in buses, restaurants and bars with high monetary rewards. "Are all Jews civilised?" No, of course not. In other interviews, he advocates the shooting or arrest of Jews in terrorist attacks on Palestinians, just as Palestinians are shot or arrested in terrorist attacks. Every society, whether democratic or not, also has "uncivilized" people who are criminal and violent or want to impose their way of life on other people, such as fascists or religious fanatics, but in democratic countries these people are currently a minority. "Are all arabs barbarians?" No, of course not. He said that he knows many good, decent Arabs and that there are probably millions of good Arabs, but they form a minority in their societies. In his remarks, he distinguishes between individuals and societies with group dynamics. In Germany there were also good people during the Nazi era, but the society and its leadership was barbaric. "Is there a reliable test for determining a person is civilised?" He is not concerned with individuals, but with societies and leaderships. He considers Iranian society, for example, to be very progressive and open-minded, but its leadership is not. In other countries, such as Jordan, he considers the leadership to be trustworthy, but not the society. "Is it possible for civilised people to regress to barbarianism?" Yes, he cited Germany as an example, where a parliamentary democracy existed for the first time before Adolf Hitler came to power from 1918 to 1933. Or Turkey, which took a positive direction with Atatürk and is now moving backwards under Erdoğan. "The more clarifications we have about what exactly Zionism is, the better for everyone." Zionism means striving for an independent Jewish state. But Zionists are not a homogeneous group. There are left-wing, right-wing, secular and religious Zionists, but they all have one thing in common. The desire for a place of refuge where Jews can live in self-determination and freedom. Zionism is the emancipation of the Jews after thousands of years of oppression and persecution. "It seems to me that Zionism and globalism are closely related, perhaps even identical." No, globalization means worldwide interdependence in the fields of economics, politics, culture, science and others. Zionism means striving for an independent Jewish state. Two words with completely different definitions and nothing in common. There is no international financial Jewry, such constructs only exist in the brains of anti-Semites like Adolf Hitler and other people who believe in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", such as Hamas, which refers to them in its founding charter.
Very enlightening interview but it hurts to see that both sides in this conflict are so jaded they can't see peace as an option. Also no question was asked about current war crimes by the israelis. They signed the geneva convention and just don't care.( Yes I know there might've been rockets beneath those kids, it's still a war crime to shell refugee-camps and hospitals.)
I can easily guess what he'd say to the war crimes. Something along the lines of: You have to try everything to prevent war crimes, but you are naive if you think you can win a war without getting your hands dirty. Especially if the opponents strategy is to use civilians as a human shield for better publicity. In my opinion, the much more interesting question is what the security adviser would have had to say to the illegal settlements and if or how they threaten Israel's security. To be honest, I'm to afraid to go to Israel in order to ask him myself, I prefer my good old safe European Disney Land.
Yes, I prefer EU-Disneyland too. Also the "I know many Arabs who are nice but the collective is evil." sounds pretty much like the white racist telling me that he has black friend....
I didn't catch that. I understood him the way that although he is in favor of pluralistic Arabs, they will not be the majority anytime soon. I fear he might be right. He seems a bit like one of these stereotypical movie-soldiers. The one who is fighting for the "right thing" but has seen to much shit to allow himself to be hopeful about the future. A man who doesn't allow himself to hope, because it could kill him. Guess this is the kind of mindset you get, if you live constantly in a warlike situation.
Tulipau Should go without saying that he is a total racist. Even for Israeli standards. Look at what colleagues and students say about him. bit.ly/1AYE2Qp
No, it is not a war crime to shell hospitals and refugee camps when they are used militarily. en.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention/Fourth_Geneva_Convention "Article 19 The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy."
Ich weiss nicht wie der interviewte typ heisst.... aber er hat sehr starke vorurteile..... ich würde ihm ein blick hinter die kulissen empfehlen..... entweder weiss er nicht mehr oder er will es nicht wissen... :-)) er ist wirklich entweder sehr naiv oder ignorant.....
It's absolutely TRUE. I found this out when I went there and interviewed elderly people from that era. I couldn't believe I had been fed political LIES all my life. Crap is what people are being told by those who have power and evil.
Der Typ ist der Wahnsinn. Wenn seine Art der Weltanschauung bedeutet erwachsen zu sein und anzuerkennen wie die "the real world" funktioniert, dann wird mir die Zukunft enorm schwer fallen. Er hat zwar Humor, aber seine Position zu Krieg und "Spaß im Leben"/"Immer was zum Meckern haben" ist so hart scheiße. Es macht mir immer wieder Sorgen wie Menschen in diese Positionen kommen.
1st.Even when people talk about europe in a demeaning sense they just end up making a complement. (I'm not european) 2nd. This guy sound religious to me. 3rd. You can even be dialetic without contradicting yourself, he is just contradicting himself.
Tilo should work on his accent. Or rather NOT work on his accent. It’s OK to sound German when you talk. Just please stop trying to imitate Brits and US people at the same time…
Very dubious... It seems that you are, and rightfully so, not allowed to deny the Jewish Holocaust, but here we see the denial, in his very first sentences, of the very existence of a whole people - the Palestinians - taking that their rights are attached to the definition of their existence... Even though coins were printed with the name of the place on it as represented, even under colonisation, by the management of a specified people... Interesting and dubious logic, that it seemed holds validity only in a might is right to recognition scenario... But hey... It would also seem that aptitude is also engendered in alignment with goals and objectives. So by such extended logic, all the formerly colonised states, around the world, it would seem, anywhere that has been colonised, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Southern China, British Malay, Burma, Singapore, Philippines, Ghana, Nigeria, South Africa, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Djibouti, Aden, even Mecca and Medina were said to have been under Ottoman steerage, do not and did not really exist, and ergo, the people of those nations have no derived rights under today's laws as the ephemera quality of a name, trumps all other factors that symbolised an unbroken attachment to a land... Interesting - I wonder how many courts of law would uphold this logic? Well I guess, in a world where identity has become predominant and subjective, anything goes...
It's a fine story he tells himself to try and convince himself he is rational and moral. I doubt there are any gods to judge him, i think he should hope there are not.
Your comment is so infantile ! 🤦🏻♂️ Do you know any person, not country, a person who can survive alone? Without any help? Answer me when you'll grow up. PS. USA is your (German) best friend father mother and rich uncle. At 1945 instead of crushing the German nation after what you made to the world, they made the greatest thing, they helper you to become a normal society, from people what live in order to dominant others to that live and build better future. You would never succeed without USA!
Das ist das allererste Interview von JuN, das ich mir nicht komplett geben kann. Eine Stunde ignorantes Geblubber eines Verwirrten alten Onkels reicht mir, ehrlich gesagt.
Der Verwirrte alte Onkel ist mit Sichefheit viel gebildeter als du. Und er lebt da. Da darf man ihm schon eine Expertise zugestehen. Besonders Da er als Berater für die Regierung fungierte.
Das Interview enthält einige der interessantesten, philosophischen Ansätze die mir bisher untergekommen sind. Obwohl ich in vielen Punkten anderer Meinung bin, zeigt Herr Schueftan viele Blickwinkel auf, aus denen ich den Nahostkonflikt noch nicht betrachtet habe. Sehr zu empfehlen!
Es wäre Zeit dass Schueftan in Deutschland bekannter wird!
Leute, in den nächsten Tagen und Wochen kommen Folgen mit ganz vielen Ansichten auf diesen Nahost-Konflikt und die herrschende Lage hier. Wartet es ab.
I love this guy. Ein wirklich humorvoller Mann der sehr viel Ahnung von seinem Land und dem Konflikt darin hat.
*First episode of Jung & Naiv in the Middle East with Israel's security advisor, Dan Schueftan*.
In this 90-minute episode we talk about:
_What's going on in Israel? Why is there war? Is it about religion? What is zionism? Did Jesus come back in 1948? When und why was Israel founded? What happened afterwards? Is there dumb and smart optimism? What was the British mandate? Why is Israel such a happy nation? Why are there so many wars after its foundation? Who fights against whom? Are Arabs capable of pluralism? Why does Dan think Arabs are barbaric? Why does Dan hate Disneyland? Do Europeans live in Lala Land?_
(Thanks to the ever awesome Brent Sluder for a new theme, thanks to Sadaf Mirzaei for the new graphics.)
From 19 min up to 21:15 min !!! Great explanation of jewish society in Europe! Be Human. And because of that the most jewish people from east Europe do not want to go to Israel. The will become over there normal people :-) But on the other hand who wants to let his carrier as an musician or big boss ;-)
Haha "optimism" terminal disease^^
Useless explanation, World knows Israel greedy occupation.
these kind of videos can not hide your sins.
killing childs have not good reason at all
I think they are not trying to keep their sins away, because the israelis justify the attack or bombing of GAZA in the way that arabian liga trying to destroy them. So as result they are making so strong and merciless policy against palestine or groups who wants the same for israel! They have no other option. They are surrounded of muslim countries and have no way to do it other way. Try to live on continent surrounded of christian countries like in balkans.
Danke Herr Jung!
Das is es was die Welt braucht: jedem zuzuhören, versuchen zu verstehen ohne gleich zu verurteilen.
Sie haben ein Talent dafür!
Ich konnte lernen :)
I have to tell you that Israel is the best. I m an old lady with grey hair and a stick and I get the most respect people help me to the bus with my agalah I have five children in the army. And pry for them. Are the things not so good. Yes. Burocracyn is impossible and as for the drivers on the roads well not the best behaved. Come to Israel peanut find at least ten good things to be thankful for ❤🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
ich muss gestehen ich kannte Daniel Schueftan vor diesem interwiev nicht, aber ich muss gestehen das mich seine art zu reden (argumentiern) wirklich faziniert hat..... schade nur das solche menschen kaum gehört bei uns im legalond bekommen. *g
i rewatchted this videos the fourth time in the last two years. this guy is so amazing, there is so much diversity in what he says.
*Every word coming out of that guy's mouth is an outrageous lie.*
Every word, supremacist Zionist propaganda.
@@ChristineQ-wr6iv like what ?
@@ChristineQ-wr6iv thats right bitch ,none !
@@martalevin4829 He is full of prejudiced Zionist propaganda.
@@martalevin4829 He has fabricated an imagined Jewish history.
Great interview about the big Problem.
Thank you for your series about Isreal and Palistina
Dan Schueftan ist eine absolute Legende!
@Tilo Jung, thanks for the amazing interview. It was very good but mostly due to Dan Schueftan. This interview showed how little knowlege you have about the history of Israel and the middle east.
I am stunned how someone can talk about the middle east conflict and know nothing about the PLO, Hamas and Israel. Jung & Naiv is a perfect description.
ein wunderbares Gespräch, ich habe so viel gelernt über die Heimat - Israel
Hi Heidi deine Heimat ist hier …
5 years later, I've seen Mr. Schueftan chuckling on conference with Douglas Murray about how Europe finally can understand a bit how Israel feels....after the massive influx of Islam in recent years.
Wish I could find that recording.
@@gruweldaaddid u find it in the meantime? Would love to see it as well
@@juanzulu1318 Douglas Murray & Israeli Intellectuals
(At the end)
Very interesting and eye-opening. A realist to the bone.
As expected from security advisors
Seriously? You need to expand your knowledge before you can call him eye opening! He’s totally distorting facts to fit his views!!! Despicable!!!! He’s laughable as a Middle East expert🤯
@@Who.is.kidding.who. He is spot on. You seem to be the fool.
@@SG-zv2uc My knowledge is expanded enough and I need no advice from a supporter of a cr!m!nal-tyr@nn!cal-g€n0c!d@l st@te. You nor him are hardly good sources to seek any knowledge, wisdom or common sense from!
Since you offered your opinion I thought I’d trade you with a question to reflect upon…who’s more foolish, those you think are fools or the one who converses with fools? 🤔😉🫣🤭😑
@@Who.is.kidding.who.If you throw such accusations towards such individual, you MUST offfer some REASONS, some FACTS, some....SOMETHING.
Otherwise, you better be QUIET.
If situation was reversed, do you think there would be one Jew left there?
Exactly. In a nutshell this question describes the essence of the moral difference between both sides.
Really interesting interview, if not more than a tad negative outlook by Dan (or perhaps he would say realistic.) Also speaking as a proud European, I don't think he gives us enough credit for our accomplishments & way of life. Shame the light went would love to have heard more.
Tilo Jung, another excellent interview, thanks for sharing!
Wild and amazingly great conversation.
Sehr interessantes Interview. Leider hat der Mann mit dem meisten, was er sagt, recht.
Verdammt, ich habe gespannt zugehört und jetzt habe ich Bauchschmerzen - vielleicht, weil ich einer der beschriebenen naiven Europäer bin, die im Lalaland leben, weit entfernt von der Realität, die in Israel herrscht. Ich bin gespannt auf Euren Beitrag, welcher die Gegenseite zu Wort kommen lässt.
Sehr, sehr interessantes Interview @Tilo Jung. ! Klasse gemacht. EIn wirklich interessanter und sehr intelligenter Gesprächspartner.
Würdest du mir verraten in wie fern er die Möglichkeit hatte, sich auf das Interview und deine Fragen vorzubereiten? Ich bin fasziniert davon wenn jemand seine Positionen so verständlich, aber dennoch umfassend und dazu verdammt eloquent ausdrücken kann. Da wird man richtig neidisch.
Weiter so!
Nice comment!)
Die Eloquenz von Dr Dan ist wirklich beeindruckend
He makes jokes about Israelis, Jews, Europeans and Arabs. It goes quite a bit too far to call him a racist. That's ridiculous. He simplifies things and narrows them down for his opposite to understand fairly complex conditions. An ability quite rarely found in academic research.
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Interesting guy
love this guy
Oh how things have changed since this euphoric interview 9 years ago
I mean, nothing has changed. He's still right. You just can't say it anymore without getting bullshit from clowns who don't know anything about the conflict
Nothing has changed.
Nope nothing has changed. Only pseudo religious psychopaths
have the right "to return".
Wie krass! Eben erst - I've just in this moment, when I wanted to write a comment, realized, that this interview took place 9 years ago! But it is today still as actually informative and relevant as it was 9 years ago I think.
But I remarqued a little mistake or slip of tongue, that happend to Mr. Schuftean, when he seid, that Hamas was founded in 1978. As I know, Hamas was founded in 1987...
But doesn't matter! I appreciate the cool, friendly, sometimes a little bit ironic but always very patient way, in which Mr. Schuftean is making an effort to explain the history of the middle east conflict from the very different thinking and view of life of most of the jewish people against the view and thinking of most nice and well educated but therefore also rather naiv young european people with their happy and comfort lifestyle experiance (like living in Disneyland) to this young podcaster who represents his young european audiance very well with his questions and comments, which sometimes seem to relevate his non understanding or non believing of what his interview partner is trying to tell or to explain him.
Thank you both for this honest and authentic conversation!👍
Egypt's leader Nasser in 1967 blocked the straits of Tiran which is Israel's port to the Southern hemisphere, so that was the trigger for the war, even though Israel attacked first.
salam from Indonesia, Prof. Schueftan
Great video
cool wie du dich bei einigen geschichten "unwissentlich" verhälts, um ihm so ein gefühl von lehren zu vermitteln haha
darum geht's doch! so ist Tilo in jedem Interview ---> jung & NAIV
Several points here:
1. He is extremely well trained at framing arguments.
2. What he says about optimism hit the nail on the head.
3. There are Muslims and Christians in Egypt who coexist and they actually do marches together. Egypt has an orthodox Christian church.
4. A lot of Arabs and Muslims do only want domination and don't like anyone who isn't Arab/Persian and (emphasis) Muslim in the part of the world. The thing is, every group of people wants to dominate too: Christians, Jews, Muslims, Whites, whatever the majority is or whoever has power wants to keep it and treat the other people like shit.
5. He is right about dictators in West Asia too...Let's be real Iraq was better off under Saddam Hussein than it is now.
6. Arabs don't know how to coexist and how can you expect them to? That part of the planet has been invaded, controlled, or exploited by Romans, Greeks, Mongols, British, U.S. etc. We put in place the Shah, we supported the Mujaheddin (Al Qaeda, Taliban, etc), supported Saddam, supported Mubarak, supported Ghaddafi, etc. We still support King Abdullah and let Saudi Arabia do whatever it wants just like Israel (America's two favorite spoiled brats).Not to mention wars, sanctions drone strikes. The Arab world is probably the most micromanaged area on Earth.
7. The Palestinian people support Hamas because looks out for them and they have no else one to turn to.
8. His assessment of Libya is also right on target.
9. This man really is the personification of Jewish excellence and superiority complex.
hamas uses the palistinian's as human shields !!!!Dante Brown
You should really be embarrassed to take on yourself the blame for the state of the Arab world! You should stop relieving the Arabs of responsibility for their own lives. They are responsible for their live, not the West! Stop already with this useless guilt!
Dr Dan, nie von ihm gehört. Aber extrem interessante Gedanken, die eine ganz neue Sichtweise aufzeigen
yeah peace in middle east is a lost cause.
Wonderful.
I am sure Prof. Shueftan has read the Koran. A lot about the behavior of the Arabs is dictated by their understanding of the Koran.
Märchenstunde ala Kolonialismus
Wie kommen denn diese Tonaussetzter (zB kurz vor Minute 6) zustande? Oder ist das nur bei mir so?
Kohtason muss am neuen Mikro liegen. war glaub ich nur einmal der Fall, sorry.
Danke für die Antwort Tilo Jung (: Wirkte so geschnitten.. Da musste eine naive Nachfrage einfach mal sein ;) Wie immer eine super spannende Folge!
Minute 37: A functional anarchy which scratches on democratic principles might be the better description.
ich habe einen kommentar weiter unten gelesen, dass der gast sehr interessant sei.... dem stimme ich voll zu.... man sollte mir solchen menschen öfter reden ... auch aus anderen ländern....
He should explain the specifics of the "partition plans"
Google partition plan
What is to explain?
Israel offered to Palestinians a state within 1967 borders with East Jerusalem as a capital! What more can they ask?
awsome interview !!!!
I would question who is accountable for allowing a charity worker to go into an overseas on-going intensive war zone, when there is plenty of lifesaving opportunities in their own country. War-torn environments are zones that require specialised training and intense military awareness for self preservation. A noble deed doesn’t necessarily equate to an intelligent action. I would also question the commercial stations for the way they feed their popcorn-chewing narrow minded audiences. (AIIA and Chatham House would be a far better choice for receiving quality information)
😎
God bless Israel
Think about how he might be right with his perspective. We people in Europe can afford to live in 'Lalaland' because we have shamefully forgotten about history. Just go and ask the descendants of the North American Natives, or the Mayas, the Indians, the Kongolese, the Malays how it turned out for them to be naive towards Europeans a few hundred years ago. Ironically, without exploiting these people, modern Europeans would not be able to live in wealthy Lalaland. But yeah, today, we can forget about all these petty things.
Then Usa and Australia are in big trouble because yall are coming but both cultures are more similar to Europe than Arabic culture
Stop with this permanent guilt already!
Sehr interessanter Beitrag, gerade wenn man sich wissenschaftlich damit befasst.
Maybe the Arabs cannot live in a pleasant place either,
»Erfahrung ist eine harte Schule, aber Narren [und Naive] lernen in keiner anderen und selbst dort nur selten.« ~ Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Thanks!
If the sky was green would there be one Goose leaved flying ?
Beeindruckend, wie du und dein Team arbeiten, unterstütze das gerne. Ich bin gerade ziemlich erstaunt darüber, wie wenig ich eigentlich über Israels Geschichte und all seine Kriege wusste. Das ist natürlich aus seiner subjektiven Sicht erzählt, dennoch erklärt das so ein bisschen dieses aggressive Wesen, was wir häufig in arabischen Staaten erleben. Gerade ja auch wieder in Lybien, die sich sehr schwer tun ihr Land ohne Diktator an der Macht zu regieren.
Könntest du in Zukunft vielleicht nach so einem langen Interview noch ein Recap drehen? Mit deinen persönlichen Eindrücken.
+Der Dudelino da wird mit absicht alles in chaos gehalten... die araber waren lange vor dem westen zivilisiert... schon mal die geschichten aus tausend und einer nacht gelesen.... diese märchen erzählen nicht von barbaren...
In arabischen Ländern werden noch immer Frauen gesteinigt. Wer noch nach der Scharia lebt, dem fällt es schwer eine Zivilisation mit Werten aufrecht zu erhalten. Auch in Sachen Gleichberechtigung sind wir in Europa ein paar Jahrzehnte voraus.
Der Dudelino diese werte werden von den westlichen ländern gefördert ---- siehe saudi arabien..... in irak wie auch in den anderen arabischen ländern wurde regimes abgeschafft und mit der neuen ordnung chaos bewusst provoziert. man kann seine interessen besser durchsetzen wenn ein land zerstritten ist als wenn sich alle einig sind.... und manche bevorzugen eine politik der spannung.....
Damit hast du sicherlich Recht. Gerade die USA haben den Nahen Osten wissend oder unwissend massiv destabilisiert. Oft hat man ja das Gefühl, die CIA weiß nicht wirklich was sie tut und dient als schlechter Berater für das Weiße Haus.
and if you don´t know, now you know...; "let me give you an example";)
He has an strange ideology and point of view, he seems to be a little bit, just a little bit righteousle.
I think, no I bet, there will be a lot of people outrage, hear him speak and he knows and enjoys it.
Difficult perspectives to difficult Problems, what more can I say!
Wojtek Bernhard I can say that you are a brainwashed individual with Europeans elite obsolete ideas.
The Prof. Is talking about facts not wishful thinking.
I get the concept of the chanel but still it's beyond me why Mr Shueftan accepted to this interview with this interviewer....
G. W. Bush's doctrine was PREVENTIVE war, not pre-emptive. Read 'The Promethean Right: Why the Right is Losing the Battle of Ideas'
Daniel Schueftan ist Israeli und er betrachtet alles unter dem Gesichtspunkt, ob es Israel schadet oder nutzt. Das ist sein gutes Recht als Israeli. Es ist aber auch unser gutes Recht als Deutsche oder Europäer, dasselbe zu tun, dieselbe Betrachtungsweise anzuwenden bezüglich unserer Heimatländer.
Minute 56: er meint die ägyptische Fliegerstaffel. Nicht die kompletten Streitkräfte.
Den Iron Dome hat Israel nicht von Frankreich gekauft, die im Sechstagekrieg verwendete Munition kam meines Wissens aus den USA, so wie heute noch viel von der Ausrüstung.
He is referring to the Egyptian Air Force, then the Iraqi, Syrian and Jordanian Air Force. Everything was destroyed by Israel at the beginning of the war.
You're wrong about armaments too. The U.S. did not supply weapons to Israel at the time.
@@1610dim ok, that's the question now which information is more correct ... I am referring to Jehan Sadat's autobiography - and you?
@@frauleinanni1528And you think that the former First Lady of Egypt knows better where Israel got its weapons from than the Israeli academic and chairman of the National Security Studies Center at the University of Haifa. The main supplier was France, but there were also secret deliveries from Germany using American helicopters, the forwarding of which had not been approved by the Washington Office of Munitions Control. The USA had already refused to supply weapons to Israel during the Sinai campaign in 1956. My source is a scientific paper from the University of Göttingen in Germany.
The naivety of questions
❤
wie unfassbar entlarvend ihn einfach reden zu lassen.
Ich hab mich immer zurückgehalten mit meiner Meinung über Israel, weil ich ANgst hatte nicht alle Informationen zu haben, aber wenn sie selber so reden...
Danke Tilo
Escriba DeBalaguer
ich glaube israel verübt über einen langen zeitraum völlig unverhältnismäßige und unnötige gewalt und schikane an einer großen bevölkerungsgruppe, insbesondere zivilisten.
Hä, habe ich nicht geschrieben dass ich Angst hatte Fehlinformationen zu unterliegen? Dann habe ich mir ein 90-minütiges Interview mit einem israelischen Funktionär angeschaut, und ein paar weitere Videos dieser Reihe, und nun würde ich behaupten beide Seiten zur Genüge gehört zu haben.
Und mein Schluss ist: Israel verübt über einen langen zeitraum völlig unverhältnismäßige und unnötige gewalt und schikane an einer großen bevölkerungsgruppe, insbesondere zivilisten.
Ich meine: mit jedem Satz den der Kerl im Video sagt versucht er Krieg und Terror zu rechtfertigen und hat offensichtlich keinerlei Interesse an einer friedlichen Lösung.
Es gibt auch weltweit kein Militär, dass eine solche große Zahl von Zivilisten in einem Freiluftgefängnis hält, ihnen den Zugang zu Nahrung und Wasser erschwert und willkürlich gegen die Grenzbewohner vorgeht. Flugblätter schön und gut, Haus und Hof sind danach trotzdem zerstört, und wenn man nirgends hinkann ist das eigene Leben trotzdem nicht sicher.
Ich verteidige auch gar nicht die Hamas, aber Frieden kann nur vom Unterdrücker ausgehen.
ich werd mir das ding nicht nochmal angucken, nur um ein paar passende zitate zu finden, aber wenn israel ruhe will ist es nicht die cleverste option seine nachbarn zu unterdrücken und willkür walten zu lassen. die palestinenser haben keine rechte, sie können nur as dem untergrnd heraus agieren.
und mir ist natürlich bewusst dass israel in weiten teilen verhasst ist, aber das wird durch so eine politik nicht besser werden. wann kam das letzte friedensangebot von netanyahu?
@M Seit die Muslimbrüder nun auch in Indonesien die Fäden in der Hand haben, ist auch dort der gesellschaftliche Zusammenhalt gefährdet.
You should fly to Teheran and interview Javad Zarif.
@@460mas Bullshit. You get either a tourist Visa upon arrival, at least for many countries, e.g. Germany among others, i have done it.
Or being a Journalist invited to interview the Foreign Secretary you would get a press visa.
Well name the cases, and we will see. Most of them were either iranian nationals or they were working while they just applied for a tourist visa. Pretty dumb.
18:54 Are you actully listening, or listening to yourself??
Klasse!
Zu Minute 35: Breslau war ein kulturelles Zentrum des Deutschen Reiches, aber das paßt vielleicht nicht in seine Argumentation.
Inwiefern?
@@simonl.6338inwiefern was von beidem?
@@frauleinanni1528 inwiefern passt es nicht in seine Argumentation? Oder was hat es überhaupt mit dem Punkt zutun den er hier bespricht
@@simonl.6338 er stellt es so dar, als hätten die Juden aus Osteuropa nir Chaos gebracht. Das möchte ich zumindest für Breslau/Wrocław zurückweisen. Daß es osteuropäische/sowjetische Juden waren, die während der Mandatszeit Großbritanniens Terrorakte verübt haben, wußte ich vor drei Monaten noch nicht. Insgesamt ist seine Redeweise ziemlich hitzig.
Er spricht von der Mehrheit der Juden in Palästina, die nur den Zarismus und Kommunismus zur Zeit der britischen Besatzung Palästinas kannten. Breslau gehörte nie dem Zarenreich an und wurde erst nach 1945 Teil eines sozialistischen Staates. Er meint also ausdrücklich nicht die Juden aus Breslau, die nur eine kleine Minderheit ausmachten. Die Mehrheit der Juden zur Zeit des brittischen Mandats stammt aus Russland, in den 50ern stammt die Mehrheit der jüdischen Einwanderer aus islamischen Regionen, die bis heute trotz Öffnung der Grenzen nach dem Zusammenfall der sozialistischen Staaten und einer erneuten Fluchtbewegung nach Palästina eine knappe Mehrheit der jüdischen Bevölkerung in Israel bilden. Vielleicht solltest du etwas aufmerksamer und aufgeschlossener zuhören, statt hier eine Unterstellung nach der anderen abzulassen.
haha, bester mann! :-D
wenn ich ihn Deutsch reden höre, dann frage ich mich, ob er nicht in Wirklichkeit fließend deutsch spricht??? :)
Ich denke schon, daß er es könnte, aber nicht will.
Wie er das mit der Judenverfolgung in den ersten 20 Minuten umdreht, alter Schwede!
The interviewer is very annoying
"read ha aretz" hahahahaha
Eine sehr unsympathische Figur - ich hoffe sehr dass diese Sendung nicht dem Anti-Semitismus Nahrung gibt. Gott sei Dank habe ich ganz andere Juden kennen gelernt.
Sonst würdest du alle hassen? 😂 Alter, lies dir deine Sätze nochmal durch.. was für ein vergiftetes Gewäsch. Ich hoffe auch, du hast ein paar "ganz andere" Schwarze kennengelernt, nicht dass die dir noch Anlass geben, alle zu hassen...
Ich hab nichts gegen Juden, aber .....
@@Daniel-yl8y Von "hassen" habe ich nichts geschrieben, und auch nichts von "Schwarzen" - spare dir und uns deine Phantasien.
@@timkaradas3255 Ich habe genau das Gegenteil geschrieben! Mein Name ist übrigens jüdisch - ich habe ihn bei der Hochzeit angenommen weil der Vater meiner Frau der einzige mit diesem Namen gewesen ist der den Holocaust überlebt hat.
@@thomasszejnmann3917 Wenn man schlecht über Juden spricht, ist man entweder Rassist oder selber einer. Das ist so ähnlich als würde ein Schwarzer sagen, dass Afrikaner super faul sind und nur Ärger machen wollen😂
"You assume that barbarians and civilized people are the same thing- I'm sorry! The barbarians should be denied what civilized people should have!" 😢 Superiority talk par excellence without ever trying to understand the deep reasons why coexistence seems to be impossible in a lot of places, or portraying the many examples of peaceful cohabitation in Arab countries.
Yes, of course. They are not to blame for anything, these are all circumstances. It's all the West with its colonialism. Hh
Great interview! But how could he say that the official Israeli policy has always been two states? You just need to listen to Netanyahu and the officials in his government to realize that that claim is false.
TeslaStellar two states?
This is a European dream that would not materialize.
Palestine will decide its fate. Israel need to separate.
That’s it.
If, instead of Palestinians, Swiss or Belgians lived next to Israel, Netanyahu would agree to a two-state solution easily! The problem is not Netanyahu, but the Palestinians! Israel has offered them peace and its country several times - the Palestinians have always refused.
Interesting ..this man says Europeans took the Jewish identity from a Faith based group into a man based identity ...
Abraham was a man of God this is what defined him and the commandments of God were given to he’s descendants...
If you obey those laws you were accepted and if you reject those commandments you were not accepted in the nation..
Many people BECAME Jews and changed the meaning of being a Jew.
Zionists took the name from the holy book (Zion) but reject the holy book itself...no wonder there is war in the holy land.
Also he said we (Jews were exiled 2000 years ago ...and when he spoke about the messiah he said Jesus lived 2000 year ago......coincidence ???
Tilo, achte mal bitte demnächst auf deinen Fragen. Etwas Naivität ist ok, solange es nicht dämlich ist. Ich verstehe dass viele deine Zuschauern vom alter her, ziemlich jung sind. Aber das ist kein Grund deine Hausaufgabe als sozusagen jurnalist nicht zu machen vor der interview. Man will schließlich die Zuschauer informieren und dazu gehört ausser Fragen zu Stellen, auch die Antworten von den Person , den man befragen, zu verdeutlichen. Denn es könnte auf Dauer, zweifeln auf die Ernsthaftigkeit deine Sendung bringen. Die zweite ist, ich finde es ist schade, dass du so ein Hochqualifizierte Person bei dir in deiner Sendung hast, der deine Zuschauer gerne zuhört, aber dein Gast die letzte Momente deine interview in so eine Dunkelheit weiter zu befragen, wo man garnicht mehr sehen kann, ist einfach respektlos. Das ist schade. Versteht das bitte nicht als Beleidigung sondern mehr als Kritik von einem deiner Abonnenten.
hat selbst gemerkt wie irrsinnig die idee mit dem korridor ist und macht dann so ein hässlichen witz über das tunnelsystem, zwar versucht der mann die ganze zeit zu sagen ja nicht alle araber und man muss differenzieren aber der hat schon so einige vorbehalte, nichts desto trotz habt ihr da n echt interessanten interview partner gefunden
Finally I'm finished watching this episode.
I guess this guy is learning a lot about his own naivity these days.
He was right about everything. And he is even more sure about everything those days!
nächste Stufe: untertitel. Ich hasse mein Englisch...
Was für eine merkwürdige politische Ansicht...
Europe: Legoland / Israel: Real World.
Aha.....
He was very mean with europeans.
+David Cano Wie recht er hat. Das können wir demnächst live erleben & verifizieren.
David Cano … LaLa-Land, not Legoland. Legoland has far better management than the godamn EU.
quote unquote … nun haben wir 2019 und man sieht leider, wie richtig er lag.
@@earlyivermectincancelscovi2522 es ist 2020 und ich sehe hier gar nix. Welche Werte sollen denn aufgegeben werden? Ihr leidet wohl an Paranoia.
Will you also go to Palestine Tilo Jung ?
yes
He was there
😂😂😂 was für eine verrückte Idee, Atheist hat von Gott ein Land versprochen bekommen! Ein Volk bzw Nation aus allen Kontinenten, verschiedenen Hautfarben, verschiedenen Kulturen… wen wollt ihr versrschen
Delusion at its worst.
gut das der bart weg ist sonst erschiessen sie dich noch ausversehn
Very interesting discussion. It would have been more interesting still if he was asked to clarify some of the foundations of his worldview, for example what is a barbarian? Can barbarians become civilised? Is it the obligation of civilised people to rule over or dominate the barbarians? What is the qualification to be recognized as civilised? Are all Jews civilised? Are all arabs barbarians? Is there a reliable test for determining a person is civilised? Is it possible for civilised people to regress to barbarianism? The more clarifications we have about what exactly Zionism is, the better for everyone. It seems to me that Zionism and globalism are closely related, perhaps even identical.
Zionism only expresses the desire to have a self-determined life in a state that offers Jews protection from pogroms, persecution, dispossession, expulsion and discrimination after 2000 years of exile. What this has to do with globalization is beyond me. And he explained your other questions with many examples. Maybe you didn't listen properly.
"what is a barbarian"
For example, someone or a society that strives for violence and war more than to provide a good life for its family/citizens.
"Can barbarians become civilised?"
Yes, of course.
"Is it the obligation of civilised people to rule over or dominate the barbarians?"
No, of course not. Civilized societies should strive for the well-being of their people and protect them from barbaric attacks. In other videos he always emphasizes that he is in favour of a unilateral withdrawal from most (96%) of the Palestinian territories in the West Bank. In 2005 he supported Ariel Sharon's withdrawal from Gaza and parts of the West Bank.
"What is the qualification to be recognized as civilised?"
For example, not threatening his neighbors with extermination, as Hamas does. To build a pluralistic and democratic society so that its citizens can lead a self-determined and good life that is life-affirming, instead of raising its children to martyrdom and paying terrorists who blow up civilians in buses, restaurants and bars with high monetary rewards.
"Are all Jews civilised?"
No, of course not. In other interviews, he advocates the shooting or arrest of Jews in terrorist attacks on Palestinians, just as Palestinians are shot or arrested in terrorist attacks. Every society, whether democratic or not, also has "uncivilized" people who are criminal and violent or want to impose their way of life on other people, such as fascists or religious fanatics, but in democratic countries these people are currently a minority.
"Are all arabs barbarians?"
No, of course not. He said that he knows many good, decent Arabs and that there are probably millions of good Arabs, but they form a minority in their societies. In his remarks, he distinguishes between individuals and societies with group dynamics. In Germany there were also good people during the Nazi era, but the society and its leadership was barbaric.
"Is there a reliable test for determining a person is civilised?"
He is not concerned with individuals, but with societies and leaderships. He considers Iranian society, for example, to be very progressive and open-minded, but its leadership is not. In other countries, such as Jordan, he considers the leadership to be trustworthy, but not the society.
"Is it possible for civilised people to regress to barbarianism?"
Yes, he cited Germany as an example, where a parliamentary democracy existed for the first time before Adolf Hitler came to power from 1918 to 1933. Or Turkey, which took a positive direction with Atatürk and is now moving backwards under Erdoğan.
"The more clarifications we have about what exactly Zionism is, the better for everyone."
Zionism means striving for an independent Jewish state. But Zionists are not a homogeneous group. There are left-wing, right-wing, secular and religious Zionists, but they all have one thing in common. The desire for a place of refuge where Jews can live in self-determination and freedom. Zionism is the emancipation of the Jews after thousands of years of oppression and persecution.
"It seems to me that Zionism and globalism are closely related, perhaps even identical."
No, globalization means worldwide interdependence in the fields of economics, politics, culture, science and others. Zionism means striving for an independent Jewish state. Two words with completely different definitions and nothing in common. There is no international financial Jewry, such constructs only exist in the brains of anti-Semites like Adolf Hitler and other people who believe in "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", such as Hamas, which refers to them in its founding charter.
where are the critical questions? I am not used to a Mr. Jung whi doesn't question these statements...
You couldn’t have chosen, an ill informed presenter even if you have tried 😂
I tried to give this guy a chance, I can buy any of his shit.
I am glad that you bought everything. I hope your English improved.
Sein Englisch ist eine totale Katastrof.
Very enlightening interview but it hurts to see that both sides in this conflict are so jaded they can't see peace as an option. Also no question was asked about current war crimes by the israelis. They signed the geneva convention and just don't care.( Yes I know there might've been rockets beneath those kids, it's still a war crime to shell refugee-camps and hospitals.)
I can easily guess what he'd say to the war crimes. Something along the lines of: You have to try everything to prevent war crimes, but you are naive if you think you can win a war without getting your hands dirty. Especially if the opponents strategy is to use civilians as a human shield for better publicity.
In my opinion, the much more interesting question is what the security adviser would have had to say to the illegal settlements and if or how they threaten Israel's security.
To be honest, I'm to afraid to go to Israel in order to ask him myself, I prefer my good old safe European Disney Land.
Yes, I prefer EU-Disneyland too. Also the "I know many Arabs who are nice but the collective is evil." sounds pretty much like the white racist telling me that he has black friend....
I didn't catch that. I understood him the way that although he is in favor of pluralistic Arabs, they will not be the majority anytime soon. I fear he might be right.
He seems a bit like one of these stereotypical movie-soldiers. The one who is fighting for the "right thing" but has seen to much shit to allow himself to be hopeful about the future. A man who doesn't allow himself to hope, because it could kill him.
Guess this is the kind of mindset you get, if you live constantly in a warlike situation.
Tulipau Should go without saying that he is a total racist. Even for Israeli standards. Look at what colleagues and students say about him. bit.ly/1AYE2Qp
No, it is not a war crime to shell hospitals and refugee camps when they are used militarily. en.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention/Fourth_Geneva_Convention "Article 19
The protection to which civilian hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy."
" *Claims to be totally not religions* "
"Proceeds to use the Torah as a basis for all his arguments"
Ah, the old 'Palestine never existed canard', whatever makes u sleep well at night
A state called Palestine never existed, he is right in this...
Facts matters. Read a history book.
0:00 This must be the earliest I've seen a lie into a video. They were exiled by God for their sins.
Ich weiss nicht wie der interviewte typ heisst.... aber er hat sehr starke vorurteile.....
ich würde ihm ein blick hinter die kulissen empfehlen..... entweder weiss er nicht mehr oder er will es nicht wissen... :-))
er ist wirklich entweder sehr naiv oder ignorant.....
Before 1948 Palestinian included Jew, Christian and Muslim and all three spoke Arabic. Stop the lies!!!
It's absolutely TRUE. I found this out when I went there and interviewed elderly people from that era. I couldn't believe I had been fed political LIES all my life. Crap is what people are being told by those who have power and evil.
Der Typ ist der Wahnsinn. Wenn seine Art der Weltanschauung bedeutet erwachsen zu sein und anzuerkennen wie die "the real world" funktioniert, dann wird mir die Zukunft enorm schwer fallen.
Er hat zwar Humor, aber seine Position zu Krieg und "Spaß im Leben"/"Immer was zum Meckern haben" ist so hart scheiße. Es macht mir immer wieder Sorgen wie Menschen in diese Positionen kommen.
1st.Even when people talk about europe in a demeaning sense they just end up making a complement. (I'm not european)
2nd. This guy sound religious to me.
3rd. You can even be dialetic without contradicting yourself, he is just contradicting himself.
Tilo should work on his accent. Or rather NOT work on his accent. It’s OK to sound German when you talk. Just please stop trying to imitate Brits and US people at the same time…
Very dubious... It seems that you are, and rightfully so, not allowed to deny the Jewish Holocaust, but here we see the denial, in his very first sentences, of the very existence of a whole people - the Palestinians - taking that their rights are attached to the definition of their existence... Even though coins were printed with the name of the place on it as represented, even under colonisation, by the management of a specified people... Interesting and dubious logic, that it seemed holds validity only in a might is right to recognition scenario... But hey... It would also seem that aptitude is also engendered in alignment with goals and objectives.
So by such extended logic, all the formerly colonised states, around the world, it would seem, anywhere that has been colonised, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Southern China, British Malay, Burma, Singapore, Philippines, Ghana, Nigeria, South Africa, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Djibouti, Aden, even Mecca and Medina were said to have been under Ottoman steerage, do not and did not really exist, and ergo, the people of those nations have no derived rights under today's laws as the ephemera quality of a name, trumps all other factors that symbolised an unbroken attachment to a land... Interesting - I wonder how many courts of law would uphold this logic?
Well I guess, in a world where identity has become predominant and subjective, anything goes...
It's a fine story he tells himself to try and convince himself he is rational and moral. I doubt there are any gods to judge him, i think he should hope there are not.
israel gäbe es ohne ausländische hilfe bis heute nicht.... es ist leicht zu reden, wenn man einen starken bruder hat....
Your comment is so infantile ! 🤦🏻♂️
Do you know any person, not country, a person who can survive alone? Without any help?
Answer me when you'll grow up.
PS. USA is your (German) best friend father mother and rich uncle.
At 1945 instead of crushing the German nation after what you made to the world, they made the greatest thing, they helper you to become a normal society, from people what live in order to dominant others to that live and build better future.
You would never succeed without USA!
Very smart liar
Das ist das allererste Interview von JuN, das ich mir nicht komplett geben kann.
Eine Stunde ignorantes Geblubber eines Verwirrten alten Onkels reicht mir, ehrlich gesagt.
ichabe dichlieb
Bist halt dumm
Der Verwirrte alte Onkel ist mit Sichefheit viel gebildeter als du. Und er lebt da. Da darf man ihm schon eine Expertise zugestehen. Besonders Da er als Berater für die Regierung fungierte.