Must-Know Orks Changes: Balance Dataslate Explained! MFM, Tournament Pack Rules Reactions
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
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Unpack the critical updates from the latest Warhammer 40k balance dataslate, including the Munitorum Field Manual and Tournament Mission Pack, and discover their significant impacts on Orks. This video provides in-depth reactions to the major nerfs targeting Bully Boyz and Green Tide, and strategies for adapting Orks in a meta filled with buffed adversaries.
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The age of bullies is over, the age of 120 grot deff dread mobs remains
Don't forget da DEFF dreads !!
A lot of this tells us that there's a massive disconnect within GW and we give them way too much credit. It seems like these knee jerk reactions that overlook or ignore other key elements are becoming more frequent. These hard swings in balance are typically from individuals who do not play the games and use pre-built equations to gauge the changes. These types of errors have been common in many MMO's that have PvP.
I think GW definitely doesn't understand Orks and constantly shows to have a lack of understanding every edition on how to make them balanced without destroying the meta
But that because GREEN IS BEST
WE ARE TO STRONG!! HAHA
but I did agree with some things you said in the video . All we can do is let GW know
on the list of possible bad matchups, dont forget Custodes, they are very much back. And death guard is also proberly back as a problem for orks
Very good callout on the custodians ..DG has been a constant hard match up for us but I should have added it !
WAAAAAAGGHHHHH!!
"Not that I'm salty about it" continues to drip salt for 45 minutes
Lol 🤣 oh no I made a video about Ork changes which none were positive. How dare I be objectively correct 💯 !! How can you forgive me random commenter !
Chaos and imperial big knights can now move through terrain but stompas and m/gorkanauts can't?
They want to go through terrain to
Yes ,we lack the proper keyword !
Orks got hit harder than most
Harder than most casual people or even somewhat competitive people realize. People don't understand Orks that well . We lack identity now
Crazy how bad GWS are … waiting for people to buy Nobs restock sell again THEN Kill them.
Crazy right lol " hey watch this '
WAAAAAAGGHHHHH GW HURTS
WAAAGHH
Just missed the stream! Good to see you guys going strong!
I appreciate you stopping by ! THE GREAT WAAAGH!!
Orks will be fine maybe have to adapt and change but we will. Think gw are generally too quick now they have molly coddled these players into allowing gw to solve the problems they face rather than trying to solve it themselves because once one person solves it others will copy or imitate that and the list becomes less potent and things change.
My biggest grips is they invalidated the deck before it came out yet will make millions on it and most of those mistakes should and could have been spotted sorted before going to print.
We are going to be good still but some hard match ups
Yes GW does take the lazy approach with Orks tbh
Like its cool to not be doomer pilled but its objectively messed up for GW to pull this. They release a codex which is effectively an advertisement for an army for their game and then within two months in their expensive/time consuming to play build, paint and play game they effectively push people to the least of the 3 that people were primarily running aka collecting. Forcing people to buy different models in order to continue playing the detachment they already wanted to play. Like sure you can run dread mob without lootas but are you really? Like whats the point? Certain models go with certain detachments thats just the way the game exists. But maybe im just saltly because I play Thousand Sons and GW literally just cut us off at the knees with various changes not even targeted at us and direct nerfs/changes. RIP Bully Boys at least in playing it how it was designed to be played.
i do agree that im not a big fan of how detachments work but like
i dont really get what you're trying to say
i feel like if you wanted to run 12 meganobz for fun you wouldnt care too much and overall i think gw has been a lot better lately with balancing
green tide sucks and so do meganobz a fair bit which is sad but its not like they're unplayable
i really think orks are still fine its just bully boyz isnt the " Meta " now, they were around a 50% winrate before
TS is the strongest army after dataslate. You can indirect turn1 now, Magnus is a god of speed with new totation and your prices dropped. While all other A tier were obliterated.
Git gud
I'm the dead sea salty about this fucking patch. All of it. Top to bottom.
@@return4887 Meganobz are literally unplayable except as ghaz bodyguards to soak up damage. Melee only termies that have a 5+ fnp for 2 turns of the game that hit on 4’s at the same price as regular terminators that are infinitely better at literally everything is very bad. And I didn’t say it was unplayable just unplayable as advertised. The entire detachment was supposed to be simple mega+nobz+warbosses and truks to carry them around now had one of its 4 factors practically removed. But we just disagree with how bad we think they now are. Also idk how with the number of errata’s in 10th they are doing a good job. I don’t think there is a single data sheet set you know the thing they sell at like $40 a pop that is actually accurate. Awesome balancing people that like to things like forgetting to put firing deck on all the appropriate rhinos or choosing to rule the warboss attacks after being in a transport the way they did. Like idk if you watched the announcement from them but they basically came out saying that they are only ruling that way to prove a point about rules as written. Thank you GW for teaching me a lesson it just isn’t the one they probably wanted me to learn.
@@return4887the meta is tanks and we have only the battle wagon. Orks are just being taxed on their detachments might as well just go index Orks again.
I'm fairly new to 40k but I've realized pretty quick how incompetent gw is when it comes to creating and maintaining balance. Kinda crazy when you consider they've been doing this for 40ish years. That said, it's likely intentional just do get people to buy a bunch of one model, kill it's stats, boost another, repeat. Literally bought 6 boxes of meganobz and haven't even had a chance to build any yet
why would you buy 6 boxes of meganobz
@@return4887 3 units of at least 5 and some meks in mega armor
Same situation mate. I already put together and painted 3 meganobz out of like 18? At least my friends dont have problem with me playing on old rules. Casual Warhammer is the best
@@bylezagrac6337 yeah I that's true, I only play casual too
They've done quite well overall this edition but have inconsistency with how they adjust factions
Even in the face of all this doom, I really appreciate how you try to overcome the obstacle rather than just complain.
That's our job! As a community!
IN THE FAR FUTURE...THERE IS ONLY WAR ! AND ORKS ARE The ONLY ONES Having FUN
These changes couldn't have come at a better time. I'm gonna go have a good time stomping around new AoS for a few months, and I'll wander back over to 40k once Orks have swung back a bit.
That's not a bad idea at !
WAAAAAAGGHHHHH
The +10 points plus the 5+ change for MANZ is too much should have been one or the other.
you could just ignore the dataslate
@@BillyBob-vk8du why would you even say this
i think they maybe shouldve gotten +5pts per model + the fnp nerf but 5+ fnp with 10pts tacked on is definitely too much
Majority of us know this..I doubt GW will. give us back 4+++
The warboss ability says "da biggest and da BEST": when you call a Waaaaghh!, until the start of the next Battle round, add 4 to the attacks characteristic of this model's melee weapons". It is an ability that lasts for a period of time, specifically a Battle round (your turn and that of your opponent). And the faq says: Q: If a model has an ability that triggers when you call a Waaagh! and that model is embarked within a Transport when this happens (e.g. a Warboss’ Da Biggest and da Best ability), does that ability take effect? A: No. Abilities do not take effect while units are embarked within Transports unless they explicitly state otherwise. The answer says that it does not apply WHILE units are embarked. When they disembark they are no longer subject to that restriction.
No buddy ,I'm sorry you're not interrupting this correctly . The ability never gets activated therefore he doesn't get the 4A even once he disembarks. It's a order of operations thing .
WAAAAAAGGHHHHH FOR THE BAD RULING !
@@WAAAGHTaktiksinterpreting
As a CSM player that has felt the GW double-whammy a few times already, I do feel a bit for the Ork Bully-boy players. I think a 5+ feel no pain and 35 pts/model would have been a much more sensible option and STILL erring on the side of caution.
Yeah absolutely, CSM gets bit with bats constantly lol 🤣 GW wants the imperium Boyz and metal gitz to feel better I guess !
Could you clarify plz where it is written that you cannot push Bigger Shellz for Bigger Gitz on any target?
20:57 the rules specify that you have only can push it if you target a vehicle
Yes sir in video we got it !
I 100% get the meganobz nerf, a bit heavy handed but my god, they RUINED green tide
They definitely hurt GREENTIDE. I haven't tested the new rules on tide but the manz nerf was over done ! Absolutely we gotta let them know !
I'm glad I print my models. I'd be pretty upset if I purchased 15 meganobz.
Honestly the printer is always the win
What did the painboss ever do to anyone?
Have the word "pain" when GW was seeking to nuke greentide haa
They Excel spread sheet’d the “pain”
You nailed it haha 😂
Da Big Hunt feels like it could be proppa kunnin.
If only the detachment rule was so easy to avoid. Casually it's perfectly fine but for competitive play, a proper opponent won't allow it to trigger 😕 n. Plus the warhorde does very similar things without as many restrictions
i can't find the time to paint the units that help win games in time before there nerfed.
i know, i know dont chase the meta... BUT when i do have a game and win majority of the games that is the only motivation i have to keep painting, if i lost most my games i wouldn't waste my time painting.
It sucks when you actually want to play a certain style but it gets nerfed.
You don't need to make a meta list to win. Take this as an opportunity to get back to the fundamentals of Orks and find your style of winning without a spam meta list. Though those can be fun too forsure ! Haha
WAAAAAAGGHHHHH
lol I tried to get into 40k, bought the book, now it's already outdated. All the complexities an nuance changing so fast. what a joke. I want to game, so I'll stick with OPR.
Never Buy the books. Unless you want the Art and Lore. The Rules are Sometimes outdated ob Delivery. Just get the Rules online.
I understand man. I always say just play casually and don't care about the meta or any of that stuff.. crusade is always fun
Now is the time for meme lists.
Time for da stompas , DEFF dreads ,kanz , Mando's and WAAAAAAGGHHHHH TO TAKE THE STAGE !
I guess the Neurotyrant and the Synaps Range do not add up for the battle Shock since both say -1 to the test/-1 to the roll.
But if there is a Deathleaper in range it would add up since he does worsen the leadership characteristcs. Please correct me if I am wrong but thats how I would see the rules here.
Edited..they do stack
Good call out
@@WAAAGHTaktiks You know what? It does. I just look d it up since I was trusting you more than myself 😃.
Seems like in 10th edition, there is only a modifier restriction to hit rolls or better limitations are specified in at the rule for a specific roll. So Battleshock Tests can get.modified multiple times.
You right .I double checked! Leadership 9 🤣😭
I already disliked the detachment system as it's purely in place to build skew lists that will only encourage people to break the game. My army collections are fairly random so to build any but the basic universal list would require me to spend more than I'm willing especially as it likely to get nuked within a few months.
No I totally understand this .it's just GW way of trying to balance datasheets to correlate to rules
I get the rebalancing but I think it would have been easier if the stratagem were not tied to set units. Just have a combat detachment that had generic combat strats open to all units but better on units dedicated to combat. Same for a shooting based detachment. By thing the stratagem to a couple of good units every time those units get nuked it screws the whole army.
Someone on the balance team must have gotten tabeled 😂
Absolutely lol 😂 bad touched and spammed +10pts ! Haha
They made these characters & units more desirable people rushed & spent money then they killed them, They probably wanted us to clean out their old inventory $$$
Sometimes it's hard not to think the worst of the GW .they don't have our trust..nor should they
Email GW, they listen but they need numbers-the more people that email the more they are going to feel like they need to make a change
Honestly,I want to call out the Ork community to hit up GW because clearly they don't understand what Ork player want or need
We don't have a identity
We don't hit hard , we don't horde well ,we don't have good STOMPY ,we aren't fast
. Like uhh? Haha
@@WAAAGHTaktiks time to Unionize! Get it started! You should be telling the boys in every video to email GW so that they know they have a huge population that isnt happy with the changes. Theyll fix it!
Like 7-8 years ago they put out a new ork codex and left the looted wagon out of it and people FREAKED. Within a week they dropped a pdf dataslate for the looted wagon 🤘
Nuked???? Click Bait !!!!
Green tide had a 4 way nerf. Characters cost more, boyz cant score in combat, detachment ability massively scaled back, meganobz now have no synergy. What else would you call it but NUKED. Calling it click bait is fake news. !!!!????
@@kerbo5918 it depends, it sucks for those detachment but orks are still very much viable
The amount of stacking nerfs green tide took really is insane, many many layers of nerfs, direct and indirect, hit harder than Aeldari when they had a 70% win rate imo. Not to mention Speed Freakz, a 27% winrate detachment that with the Nexus changes has basically been nuked from orbit. Its hard to see how War Horde will work in the new meta tbh, not having punchy flash gitz and the old school Mozrog, not sure the Ghaz buff from the codex outweighs those two things. It's not just Orks GW messed up, look what they did to Firestorm Assault force, a SM detachment that has also been unfairly torn down. Feels like this dataslate tried to do too many changes all at once and has made a whole lot of collateral damage to many lists.
GREENTIDE was arguably nuked buddy . I stated why too but agree to disagree. We don't ever click bait
@@WAAAGHTaktiks they removed some durability, but "nuked"..... thats dramatic