Flex Pitch VS Melodyne - The Results Are SHOCKING...
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Lets compare Logics built in "Flex Pitch" against the industry standard pitch correction software "Melodyne".
Does Flex Pitch hold up against Celemony's Melodyne as far as ease of use and quality of sound are concerned? Let's find out!
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Been working with melodyne for years, the interface is really sluggish but man, In my honest opinion, it is the best and most natural sounding.
I think the interface works alright, better than flex pitch at least haha
@@spinlightstudiosis not bad bad, I know it like the back of my hand, but still, it could be a lot better and more snappy, sometimes splits doesn’t work right away, sometimes it detects a note on the wrong octave, etc etc. This is from someone that does 90% of my studio work on vocals and melodyne. Nice video by the way, quite interesting the tonal change of flex pitch
So true, I guess I’m just used to melodynes quirks haha I actually feel like it ran really smooth back in Logic 8 😂 then it went all clunky
Absolutely agreed
Literally thought about learning to code juice if that’s what they used to just change the gui lollllll
Great video! I did experience the same issues while using Flex Pitch - thanks for confirming and pointing it out.. would love to see a similar experiment with Waves Tune Real-Time and Melodyne.
I'd also like to see this comparison with the Waves Tune RT.
The Logic manual states that Flex Pitch and Flex time were designed to work with CAF files so if you use them you should change the Logic Setting to CAF files as the recording format. CAF files are lossless files that are just like WAV or AIFF but were designed to be pitch agnostic. This is why the Logic Loops are CAF files and conform to any key or BPM easily. CAF files are also good if you want to record long gigs or church services since they are unlimited in their time available unlike other lossless formats. CAF files will play on windows or in other DAWs so no worries there. You can change this setting in Logic under Settings/Recording/file type. CAF files were meant to change pitch and time and were created just for this when Apple added Loops around Logic Platinum. CAF is also the newest PCM container format with the newest code base. In my experience AIFF and WAV files do not work as well with Flex Time and Flex Pitch as the CAF format and ironically Melodyne will even do a better job with CAF files if you import one into Melodyne. Also another Thing that really helps is recording at a higher sampling rate since there are more Data points per second for the algorithm to work with. (It doesn't matter about the bandwidth). But the file format is actually more important than the sampling rate when it comes to the FLEX tools in Logic so try CAF.
Very objective comparison, great apps, thank you for taking the time!
Thanks!
Yep - I was trying to tune vocals with Flex Pitch and started hearing the same thing you did. I Stopped and bought Melodyne Assistant and worked up to the Studio version. It is hands down my most useful plug-in. Not only for tuning, but for timing polyphonic background vocals… Also, converting audio to midi… It does a lot of things really well, with no artifacts.
That said, the interface was a bit unique and took some time before the workflow became second nature.
I suppose it’s like anything, once you get used to it, it becomes second nature and flows. Melodyne is an amazing tool! Definitely one any serious recording engineer or enthusiast should invest in at some point.
Melodyne is better but I will say that I think you turned the vibrato way too low on the Flex Pitch, working primarily with fine tune and not touching vibrato unless you have to is the way to go IMo
Great comparison! I also noticed that the Flex version was kind of ‘cloudy’ in the highs compared to Melodyne. Agree, the software is pricey, but at the same time - the vocal is usually the star of the song, so in the long run I think it pays off dividends.
Absolutely! I’m yet to find a better pitch correction than melodyne, I’ve been using it for 10+ years and nothing beats it.
Flex pitch changes tone. MASSIVE RED FLAG! 'nuff said!
Amen
Nice comparison! I find using Melodyne as a plugin impossible since I can't touch the audio after the fact and use it exclusively in standalone mode and export the audio. It's interface is mediocre and it often hangs BUT it is more transparent than anything else I've tried. I got essential on sale for $49 and later upgraded to assistant (also on sale) for $99 which gets the job done for me.
I always bounce melodyne in place once I’m done tuning and then hide the original vocal - incase I need to tweak something later down the track. That way I can edit the audio as needed and am not stuck by having melodyne on the channel strip! It can’t be beat for quality of sound!
hello tommorton, what i do and what I recommend to everyone to do if your on a new version of logic not in rosetta and edit your audio with melodyne. click transfer in melodyne. press freeze on your track. press space bar to have the freeze be processed. then unfreeze your track. sometimes it takes 10 seconds or so but eventually your audio pops up. for me this makes melodyne 100% functional on current logic without rosetta. same thing for auto tune just change the transfer step to the track button for that software. I personally think its just better to process vocals on studio one for the time being until this gets resolved but hey if you want to use logic for your vocals i hope this helps.
@@olleyollet guys get Melodyne with ARA which works in real time with the audio rather than having to print to audio (bounce in place) before this it was a big annoyance for me and ended up using Flex pitch for the sake of ease.
great video, many thanks. Also a Melodyne user here
Thanks!
Hey man, try re-pitch (synchro arts)
ARA integration made Melodyne the best. As a S1 user, Melodyne Essential comes with S1, which is a blessing. I also like Cubase's Vari Audio. I think those two are one of the best that comes with the DAW tbh. Although Melodyne Essential is limited.
Melodyne is having a Black Friday sale right now. Essential - $49 , Assistant - $249 , Editor - $399
I'm an ex-gigging musician - but just a recording hobbyist now - making my own music.
I was leaning towards Assistant - but curious if you think it's worth the extra money to get Editor - given my 'non-professional' status.
Hmmm for my needs I like being able to view all melodyne tracks in the same
Plugin window, so I can compare harmonies against the Melodie’s and line up double tracks tuning properly. I’m not sure which level of melodyne you need for that feature, but that’s what makes melodyne so useful for me!
I can’t afford Melodyne right now. Flex Pitch has its issues but overall it’s been ok for what I need and I have fixed a ton of problems.
For sure man, you gotta work with what you’ve got! I’m sure flex pitch can do the task if needed, but melodyne surpasses it with ease of use and quality of sound ultimately in my opinion.
Can't you get the Melodyne Essentials? It's 50 bucks or so I guess. It came free with my DAW and I use it a lot. I will upgrade later, because it's limited.
Melodyne is a very good software.
Celemony "MELODYNE "Assistan"t is what i work with for years ( LOGIC FLEX) give more artifacts from what i've experienced over the last couple Decades.
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Flex pitch has sometimes adds clicks to signals
It’s definitely got some issues!
I wanted to give Flex Pitch a chance (I recently moved from Windows to Mac) but after watching this I'll definitely won't want Flex Pitch messing with my High End Fidelity. Especially if I'll be working with yelled/gritty/distorted vocals.
Which by the way; how do you fine tune pitchy screams? Melodyne keeps splitting the single-note screams into like 3 different octaves.
I have said this for years Flex messes with the audio. People said no your hearing shit.. ya they are right!!! im hearing stuff. I go as far as to even delete the old voc tack and load a new one. Even after turning of flex on a track it sill sounds like it has messed with the audio some how.
I’ve always thought flextime in polyphonic was really obvious that it messes with the tone. I mostly try to stick with slicing for drums and use any other flex sparingly
I'm with you on this, Flexpitch is OK(ish) but I find Flextime is completely unusable compared to something like Ableton or Bitwig. Melodyne all the way for me with pitch though.
@@spinlightstudios Monophonic gives you the best results for vocals
Airy Top End for metal is a must...with extended range guitars taking the frequencies lower than normal. Flex Pitch should cost a lot less than Melodyne and bill itself as an affordable solution..because..it almost sux...Buy Melodyne 5 Studio, and never need anything else 🤘
I can’t with Flex Pitch ruin so many vocals trying to do timing corrections. Just causes pops and clicks. Maybe I was doing too much. I bought melodyne essential and definitely worth it.
So worth it!
Can't you just hand edit your timing and then stick it in Flex Pitch? Would that make it handle better I wonder? .. I don't like using the Flex Time stuff .. it sounds weird to me so I just OCD the cuts and fades
Good video but wish you would’ve solo’d the vocals for the comparisons
Was an autotune user until I switched to melodyne. Hands down best in vocal tuning and ease of use. I have the studio version and for doing background vocals it’s a no brainier.
Absolutely, great for getting those harmonies and layered vocals tight!
I’m transcribing polyphonic Audi to midi. Melodyne seems the best option, would be great if it was half the price though. Pretty OTT if you’re not making big dosh for a big record label etc.
Context aside.. I LOVE that song! Beautiful…
Great video! I use Logic and I’ve been trying to decide whether to buy Melodyne. I was mainly interested for the polyphonic use to help transcribe a lot of my old piano recordings but then I saw the $399 price tag for what I’d need lol. So now I’m thinking of getting the Essential on sale for $49 first to dip my toe in and use it for vocals. Thanks for the comparison, enjoyed your delivery style!
Thanks! Yes it is pricey.. but melodyne really is an amazing tool!
get the free trial for 30 days you can use any version you want
@@tjandhuri thanks for the tip! I bought the Essential on sale and then downloaded the free trial but now they’re doing an upgrade sale so I can just get the one I want for $149 😁
@@spinlightstudiosdo you need anything above Melodyne Assistant for vox. I’m never super off key but I like the idea of focusing more on just the delivery. As far as just vox pitch corrections go how much better can it get then Assistant. I don’t care about putting it on guitars. I believe there’s such thing as too perfect in my type of music
I'm having an issue with 5.3.1. The Tempo window is absent...(did they remove it??) Also it's not keeping my edits. Can someone help and advise.
I’m not sure sorry 😞
Hello friend, I express my gratitude to you for the videos you shared with us. I am a garageband user, I want to correct vocal sounds. However, Melodyne is paid, is there a free plugin similar to Melodyne or Flex Pitch that you recommend? To draw out-of-tone sounds to their proper note for vokal
Thank you
Hey! Unfortunately I don’t know of any good free pitch correctors - I have only ever used melodyne, flex pitch is probably the next best option as far as free goes, but as you can hear it’s got some issues, but some people say they get results they are happy with!
thx
Doesn't ARA work for you?
It’s just buggy
nice video, also what is shocking about that?
That flex pitch ruins the quality of the audio 😢
Have you used Crispy tuner ? There editor seems pretty good any thoughts on that VS these two ?
I haven’t tried that one. Is that Plugin Alliance?
@@spinlightstudiosyes plugin alliance it came with my NI Kontact Standard pack 14 tho, has elements to go against auto tune but also has graphical edit as well modes for both aspects it’s pretty cool I got melody. Essential, Crispy tuner, and Flex Pitch 😂 like them all for different things
This comparision is nonsense! Melodyne costs $ 699 only for pitch- and timecorrection, while Logic Pro X with FlexTime and FlexPitch and hundreds of instruments and thousands of samples and all the great features costs just $ 199 !
The problem with Melodyne is that you need the studio-version to work professional. If you buy the cheaper versions (essential, assistance or editor) you can't do pitch and time-corrections on several tracks at once, which is crucial for vocal alignement; backing vocals, doubling lead-vocals, and so on. The problem is that Melodyne not allows to run FlexTime / FlexPitch and Melodyne together on the same track. So you need to do pitch first, bounce the track and than use the pitchcorrected tracks without melodyne and correct timing on several tracks with FlexTime. Any other ideas how to find a work-around for this problem. . .???
It’s a comparison of the tuning/audio quality. For which melodyne is way better then flex pitch. Flex pitch is “okay” but melodyne is much cleaner, easier to use and if you can afford a version where you can view all of the vocals at once, it is worth it. I use melodyne everyday and have never regretted paying for it. Most people would do all of their timing edits and then use melodyne - or if it becomes an issue, you bounce melodyne in place and then continue editing. Then just keep the original vocal track with melodyne on it “hidden” incase you need to adjust some tunings later.
Hey man love your videos! I was wondering if could do a tutorial on how to get clean electric guitars to sit well in a mix?
Thanks mate! I’ll definitely keep that in mind for next time a track with some clean electrics comes my way!
Have you tried Repitch at all by Synchro Arts?
I haven’t, but probably need to
Why many vocal tutorials put music background?? I don’t understand pñeaseeeeeee remove the music background pleaseeeeee😮
Why so many people complain about free content 😮 vocals go over music - it’s important to hear how they sound in context after being tuned.
What is the name of the track?
Where can I buy it?
Wild & free by Catherine Sarah
@@spinlightstudios Thank you, man! That is great music.
I here the exact opposite in your playback: the Flex version has more top end "air". But I guess the aim of the video is to sell Melodyne.
Not at all - this is not a sponsored video. Melodyne imo is superior to flex time and if you look through the comments most people agree. Flex is still a useful tool if you don’t want to buy melodyne - just something I noticed when comparing the two. Take what you want, agree, disagree. Either way it’s not a sales pitch
Flex Pitch sounded obviously darker to me.
You need to get your ears checked🤦🏽. Please stay away from audio mixing all together
@@josiah8351 Glad to speak to such an accomplished mixer as yourself. Congratuations for your recent Grammy
Flex Pitch: main benefit... it comes with Logic. As a non-pro with a v restricted budget, I'll stick with Flex Pitch. For now... till the lottery win... etc.
Of course! Make the most of the tools you have!
Or you could just do what I'm gonna do and not care about pitching vocals and leave it sounding crappy. 👍🏻I kinda feel like if my playing and songwriting is crappy, .. it'll blend in better. 😁
Melodyne glues the vocals with music....
Melodyne 🙌🏻
Sounds better with vibrato.
Who is here in 2024?
I've never liked flex because it always sounded boxy.
Yeah it’s got issues. Still useful when used in the right applications. Mostly just drum edits for me in slicing mode
Looking forward to Apple buying out Melodyne. As a plugin Melodyne is really annoying.
As soon as I’m done tuning I bounce it in place, I never leave the plugin running longer than I have to haha
No way. I'd hate to lose Melodyne to Apple, they'd make it exclusive to Logic which is a massive no.
Logic cannot handle all info, destroy audiofiles and makes system collaps - Warning!!! Melodyne is safe and good sounding!
Logic’s not that bad 😂 but melodyne is definitely better for tuning!
Flex is robot. Melodyne is closest thing to organic as you'll get.
Yep!
flex pitch is trash get Melodyne if you serious
Testify!
Yea flex doesn't sound great
Agreed