Saucony Triumph 21 is an excellent shoe and much cheaper here in Australia where they are currently on sale at Running Warehouse Australia. Using a coupon code you could pick them up for $152 AUD which is approx USD$96 or €91 or £79. And you can pick up last year's Triumph 20 for $30 cheaper! I have multiple pairs of the Triumph 20 and am very satisfied. The Nike Vomero 17 is $240 AUD and not discounted (yet).
I picked up the Vomero 17 yesterday and ran a 5 x 1 mile repeats, then a 4 1/2 mile recovery run today. My legs feel wonderful. Although not the ideal shoe for mile repeats, it performed fine. Due to the comfort and impact protection, it may be my favorite daily trainer ever and is perfect for easy days, long runs, recovery runs, and is probably fine for strides and easier tempo runs.
Call me an old romantic Edd, but the first video I saw of yours was talking about the Vomero (16), so it always harks back to those days when you post a Vomero video. You've come a long way boss - I salute your good work.
I know you weren't fond of this shoe in your first review, but I ran in these for the first time the other day, and I absolutely loved it. Great comfort and bouncy underfoot. This is the Nike Pegasus on steroids, a great long run shoe. The Zoom X top layer combined with Cushlon 3.0 is 🔥. (IMHO)
I love this comparison video. PLEASE DO MORE like this. AND I love the how many shoes can you buy under so much “earth credits”. I love those video Keep up the GREAT work
I have done 3 runs for a total of 15 miles. On my run yesterday, it was the best of the 3. Like you said, it is starting to break in and I really like it.
As 200+ lbs runner. I ran one of my fastest runs in Asics Nimbus. It absorbs but shoots you right back, especially uphill. For my weight zoom x is too soft I go right through, the same with fuel cell. Those are too soft for heavier runners.
Nike shoes are seriously overpriced where I live in South America, so Adidas are my usual go to. However, I've picked up a pair of Saucony while I'm here visiting the UK and I am well impressed. 👍
I do appreciate Puma midsole for being fantastic straight out the box, went for another run in my Boston10's the other night and at about 300miles I think they're just starting to break in...
Im gonna wait for your 100 mile review for this one, zoomx shoes tend to split away from the upper, specially in the hot weather i run in. Vomero 16 and peg38 are the only ones which lasted for me for 400 miles, zoomx i can barely make it past 100-150 miles. Asics, adidas, puma all of them have been giving us some solid shoes, hence vomero 16 was the last nike shoe i picked up. Great review edd 👍
I love the Triumph 21 for daily runs and picking up the pace. Also the Deviate Nitro 2. I also love the Nimbus 25 for slow Long runs. Still searching for the Syperblast in my size
Re: musical interlude; I truly hope (for Mrs. Eddbud’s sake!) that opening new shoes don’t give you the feelings implied by the New Shoes lyrics. Truly new shoes may give us a desire to get out the door and run, but the vibe I get from this song is that you won’t be running back.
Ha ha - pleasant surprise for the shout out near the end :) Yeah 4 runs in for me now. Not done a video yet as still sort of trying to work it out. Certainly not a shoe one needs to only do 2 strides in is it and then say too expensive anyway :) It has softened since the first run which did feel firm. It now though sort of has that somewhat disconcerting Invincible feel where I feel I am sinking a bit and, as such, forward motion isn't as "easy" as I would hope for in an easy day shoe. I tried to run a bit faster in it today towards the end of my run as was late and that was a bit of a struggle too although maybe am now just too used to wearing "super" shoes too often. It is not exactly "light" - average daily trainer weight for me but at least it does not "feel" heavy. Oddly though one shoe is 14g more than the other although now I can't really notice it on foot but rather odd. Lockdown is decent enough for my narrow long feet. A reasonably padded tongue as we have here always helps a lot in that regard. It is also certainly comfortable just walking about it but maybe shame about the running! Traction today was also fine on very wet roads. But overall bit disappointing. Can't really see what am getting over a Pegasus for somewhat more and I kind feel the Pegs are "easier" to run in. Somebody on a FB forum said they felt they came alive at HM pace. Well I was (at least hopefully !) somewhere off getting there today nor felt I really wanted to try!
Just a thought on the weight imbalance, I bought a pair of Nike's many years ago that on one shoe had a cut out and a plastic insert that created a cavity under the insole, I presume it was for the drugs...
@@fergusdenoon1255 ha ha. I had a few pairs like that. Guess you could store some stuff in it but recall it was meant to be for a foot pod and it did work well there.
I will wait for a possible Black Friday deal before I think to get the Vomero 17 at full price. Here in Brazil it is a bit more expensive than the NB 1080 v13, More V4 ,the Gel-Nimbus 25, Gel-Kayano 30 or a Mizuno Wave Sky 7 ! The Vomero is costing as much as the super expensive Invincible 3 ( costs almost as Adios Pro 3 or Mizuno Rebellion Pro )that is 35% more expensive than all other high cushioning shoes ! I'm not sure why Nike raised their prices so much in here since 2021 ! New Balance and Saucony recently re-establish their business here, and their prices are much lower than Nike's.
I've been freshening up my rotation recently, a lot of shoes with far too many miles on. The replacements have often been the same shoe, brand new sat in a box waiting to be used! Talking of rotation, I can make you turn your hands over without touching you 👐 💷
I raced several triathlons in the Vomero 1. Version 2 and 3 were also quite good but nowadays, being a lot older I prefer the Invincible ... because pure ZoomX makes me almost "invincible".
I was a long time user of the Vomero but the 16 did it for me. Even after 200 miles it still felt like a brick. I now wear the Triumph which is great right out of the box.
I tried the Saucony Triumph 21 on a liked them .The midsole feeling soft but a kind of bottomed out feel compared to previous editions. I generally like a firmer feel and I liked the Saucony Ride 14 and 15 better cus a firmer more responsive feel to those compared to the Saucony Ride 16.The 16 felt like the rubber traction under the ball of the foot wore out too fast leaving a bottomed out feeling with a soft but floppy unresponsive feel to them. Never tried the Vemaro only the Pegasus which have been hot or miss over the years.The problem is no matter how good a pair of running shoes feel in the store its hard to know how they will feel once you've ran a couple of 6 to 10 miles in them
Edd this video should be about Vomero17 vs rest ZoomX shoes, how is it compared vs Vomero16, Streakfly, Invincible 2-3, Turbo3NN, Zoom Fly5, Pegasus39-40, Vaporfly2, and Zegama. Zegama is same pure zoomx foam wraped in cushlon foam. I am waiting Vomero17 to come to Croatia, and I'll try them in a store, I am interested in buying Vomero17. 👍
Hi Ed Love these videos! I’m looking for an easy/recovery shoe to partner with my Superblast. I’m torn between the Triumph 20, Nimbus 25 or magnify 2. Im a 70kg runner, but wanting to protect my legs as got a couple of marathons pencilled in this year now so looking for that comfort. I had a pair of more v4 but found them clumsy, heavy and not enjoyable to run in 😢
Seems quite odd that a super shoe is good right out of the box and then goes flat after 50 to 100miles..a brick like the vomero, and almost all shoes, you have put up with the hard midsole until it's just about worn out..reminds me of jeans..just about when they're comfortable and soft they tear out..maybe the kids are onto something and just buy them worn out with holes and all..maybe you could sell a shoe beating up service and we can get someone with feet like bricks to beat up our shoes until they are ready..😅unfortunately my feet are too old to waste time breaking in hard shoes..
Nike is a very dull brand. The drop looks alot in the vomero 17 and it reminds me of the ultraboost from adidas where the heel was a ship while the forefoot was a leaf. who likes such a massive drop?!! 🤔🤔🤔 its super icky puma magnify or the saucys on my list!!!!😋
Saucony Triumph 21 is an excellent shoe and much cheaper here in Australia where they are currently on sale at Running Warehouse Australia. Using a coupon code you could pick them up for $152 AUD which is approx USD$96 or €91 or £79. And you can pick up last year's Triumph 20 for $30 cheaper! I have multiple pairs of the Triumph 20 and am very satisfied. The Nike Vomero 17 is $240 AUD and not discounted (yet).
Not a fan
I picked up the Vomero 17 yesterday and ran a 5 x 1 mile repeats, then a 4 1/2 mile recovery run today. My legs feel wonderful. Although not the ideal shoe for mile repeats, it performed fine. Due to the comfort and impact protection, it may be my favorite daily trainer ever and is perfect for easy days, long runs, recovery runs, and is probably fine for strides and easier tempo runs.
It’s a good absorber. Not sure I want to do much extreme pace stuff in them
I'd still take the Triumph 21 me Ed. What a shoe
Call me an old romantic Edd, but the first video I saw of yours was talking about the Vomero (16), so it always harks back to those days when you post a Vomero video. You've come a long way boss - I salute your good work.
I know you weren't fond of this shoe in your first review, but I ran in these for the first time the other day, and I absolutely loved it. Great comfort and bouncy underfoot. This is the Nike Pegasus on steroids, a great long run shoe. The Zoom X top layer combined with Cushlon 3.0 is 🔥. (IMHO)
Exactly! This one is a banger!
They have improved over time it has to be said
I love this comparison video. PLEASE DO MORE like this. AND I love the how many shoes can you buy under so much “earth credits”. I love those video
Keep up the GREAT work
Will do!!
I have done 3 runs for a total of 15 miles. On my run yesterday, it was the best of the 3. Like you said, it is starting to break in and I really like it.
As 200+ lbs runner. I ran one of my fastest runs in Asics Nimbus. It absorbs but shoots you right back, especially uphill. For my weight zoom x is too soft I go right through, the same with fuel cell. Those are too soft for heavier runners.
This is the same with boost. Loads of people still love that for the same reasons.
Love the 17. Much better than Peg 40, Infinity 4 and Invincible 3. Reminds me a bit of the Superblast but a bit heavier and softer.
Nike shoes are seriously overpriced where I live in South America, so Adidas are my usual go to. However, I've picked up a pair of Saucony while I'm here visiting the UK and I am well impressed. 👍
Hey bro what is your Instagram id
I do appreciate Puma midsole for being fantastic straight out the box, went for another run in my Boston10's the other night and at about 300miles I think they're just starting to break in...
Yes the Puma midsoles seem to be good straight away. Quite good to have such a feature these days when other need loads of break in miles.
Im gonna wait for your 100 mile review for this one, zoomx shoes tend to split away from the upper, specially in the hot weather i run in. Vomero 16 and peg38 are the only ones which lasted for me for 400 miles, zoomx i can barely make it past 100-150 miles. Asics, adidas, puma all of them have been giving us some solid shoes, hence vomero 16 was the last nike shoe i picked up.
Great review edd 👍
I think it’s a bit dependant on the weather conditions. Seems to be more prominent in warmer climates.
I love the Triumph 21 for daily runs and picking up the pace. Also the Deviate Nitro 2. I also love the Nimbus 25 for slow Long runs. Still searching for the Syperblast in my size
Sounds like a good rotation. The Superblast is in a zone of its own. Lighter than all of those!
🧡@@EDDBUD
You mentioned the Vomero edges out the Magnify Nitro 2 for versatility, but can it transform into a world-saving Autobot too?!
Sadly not
Re: musical interlude; I truly hope (for Mrs. Eddbud’s sake!) that opening new shoes don’t give you the feelings implied by the New Shoes lyrics. Truly new shoes may give us a desire to get out the door and run, but the vibe I get from this song is that you won’t be running back.
I do feel from time to time that I might stay out there. Gump style.
You are to be commended on the incredibly clean state of your shoes. Mine are all filthy!
I do brush them off after use. You would be amazed at what 30 secs with a wet wipe can do.
Ha ha - pleasant surprise for the shout out near the end :) Yeah 4 runs in for me now. Not done a video yet as still sort of trying to work it out. Certainly not a shoe one needs to only do 2 strides in is it and then say too expensive anyway :) It has softened since the first run which did feel firm. It now though sort of has that somewhat disconcerting Invincible feel where I feel I am sinking a bit and, as such, forward motion isn't as "easy" as I would hope for in an easy day shoe. I tried to run a bit faster in it today towards the end of my run as was late and that was a bit of a struggle too although maybe am now just too used to wearing "super" shoes too often. It is not exactly "light" - average daily trainer weight for me but at least it does not "feel" heavy. Oddly though one shoe is 14g more than the other although now I can't really notice it on foot but rather odd. Lockdown is decent enough for my narrow long feet. A reasonably padded tongue as we have here always helps a lot in that regard. It is also certainly comfortable just walking about it but maybe shame about the running! Traction today was also fine on very wet roads. But overall bit disappointing. Can't really see what am getting over a Pegasus for somewhat more and I kind feel the Pegs are "easier" to run in. Somebody on a FB forum said they felt they came alive at HM pace. Well I was (at least hopefully !) somewhere off getting there today nor felt I really wanted to try!
The recent Pegasus is one of the better ones of the last few years. Easily available too
Can’t imagine doing a HM pace longer run in the Vomero. But ok for shorter bursts I guess
Just a thought on the weight imbalance, I bought a pair of Nike's many years ago that on one shoe had a cut out and a plastic insert that created a cavity under the insole, I presume it was for the drugs...
@@fergusdenoon1255 ha ha. I had a few pairs like that. Guess you could store some stuff in it but recall it was meant to be for a foot pod and it did work well there.
@@TimGrose a foot pod! cheers Tim, I always wondered what it was for, it hadn't dawned on me it had a "legitimate" purpose ha ha
I will wait for a possible Black Friday deal before I think to get the Vomero 17 at full price. Here in Brazil it is a bit more expensive than the NB 1080 v13, More V4 ,the Gel-Nimbus 25, Gel-Kayano 30 or a Mizuno Wave Sky 7 ! The Vomero is costing as much as the super expensive Invincible 3 ( costs almost as Adios Pro 3 or Mizuno Rebellion Pro )that is 35% more expensive than all other high cushioning shoes !
I'm not sure why Nike raised their prices so much in here since 2021 ! New Balance and Saucony recently re-establish their business here, and their prices are much lower than Nike's.
Yes some big price hikes from Nike
Just managed to pick this up for £62 at ASOS. Must be worth a go for that!
I've been freshening up my rotation recently, a lot of shoes with far too many miles on. The replacements have often been the same shoe, brand new sat in a box waiting to be used!
Talking of rotation, I can make you turn your hands over without touching you 👐 💷
The same model “the 2nd time around” 🤣
@@EDDBUD Perfect for the Clacton Half Marathon! 😂
@@EDDBUDI thought it's a serious channel...😇 midsole now...😜
I raced several triathlons in the Vomero 1. Version 2 and 3 were also quite good but nowadays, being a lot older I prefer the Invincible ... because pure ZoomX makes me almost "invincible".
It’s a bit old stack for sure
Thank you, Edd.
Very welcome
" ... a desert running island ..." now that sounds brutal! 🥵
☀️☀️☀️
I was a long time user of the Vomero but the 16 did it for me. Even after 200 miles it still felt like a brick. I now wear the Triumph which is great right out of the box.
I liked the 16. The triumph 21 is a banger though. Brilliant model
I tried the Saucony Triumph 21 on a liked them .The midsole feeling soft but a kind of bottomed out feel compared to previous editions. I generally like a firmer feel and I liked the Saucony Ride 14 and 15 better cus a firmer more responsive feel to those compared to the Saucony Ride 16.The 16 felt like the rubber traction under the ball of the foot wore out too fast leaving a bottomed out feeling with a soft but floppy unresponsive feel to them.
Never tried the Vemaro only the Pegasus which have been hot or miss over the years.The problem is no matter how good a pair of running shoes feel in the store its hard to know how they will feel once you've ran a couple of 6 to 10 miles in them
The ride certainly is a bit firmer for sure
Love mine. Peg + 10%
Nice🎉
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Edd this video should be about Vomero17 vs rest ZoomX shoes, how is it compared vs Vomero16, Streakfly, Invincible 2-3, Turbo3NN, Zoom Fly5, Pegasus39-40, Vaporfly2, and Zegama. Zegama is same pure zoomx foam wraped in cushlon foam. I am waiting Vomero17 to come to Croatia, and I'll try them in a store, I am interested in buying Vomero17. 👍
Read the initial review, this is a comparison against other shoes
Hi Ed
Love these videos!
I’m looking for an easy/recovery shoe to partner with my Superblast.
I’m torn between the Triumph 20, Nimbus 25 or magnify 2.
Im a 70kg runner, but wanting to protect my legs as got a couple of marathons pencilled in this year now so looking for that comfort.
I had a pair of more v4 but found them clumsy, heavy and not enjoyable to run in 😢
The triumph or magnify 2 are the most enjoyable ride. The nimbus is all out impact protection.
@@EDDBUD thank you so much for the quick response. Stay safe in the current storms we are having here!
Seems quite odd that a super shoe is good right out of the box and then goes flat after 50 to 100miles..a brick like the vomero, and almost all shoes, you have put up with the hard midsole until it's just about worn out..reminds me of jeans..just about when they're comfortable and soft they tear out..maybe the kids are onto something and just buy them worn out with holes and all..maybe you could sell a shoe beating up service and we can get someone with feet like bricks to beat up our shoes until they are ready..😅unfortunately my feet are too old to waste time breaking in hard shoes..
The adidas shoes take some time to liven up too
@EDDBUD you are spot on Edd..Adidas are the worst for me and I stopped using them..
Cumulus 25 is the direct competition to Nike Vomero 17.
I think you mean the nimbus. The cumulus 25 is nothing like the Vomero.
the forefoot stack of the vomero is reported to be 30ish mm right? why does it look way less compared to the triumph’s when triumph is is only 28mm
It’s the big old side walls.
I think ASICS cumulus 25 would be a better comparison than the nimbus.
Sadly don’t have that shoe for comparison.
Hello.
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Most probably those shoe boxes are cardboard boxes, you could have touched anyone of them for "touchwood"😁
You are very correct!
Nike is a very dull brand. The drop looks alot in the vomero 17 and it reminds me of the ultraboost from adidas where the heel was a ship while the forefoot was a leaf. who likes such a massive drop?!! 🤔🤔🤔 its super icky puma magnify or the saucys on my list!!!!😋
The Vomero is a decent shoe this time around but Nike have got to spice things up soon.