Stipe Miocic Holding up UFC Heavyweight Division
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Chael Sonnen talks Stipe Miocic on this episode of Beyond the Fight
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Its not stipe, its the ufc and Jon. In that order, if you asked me to bet on it.
100%, but I think there's a long term play behind it. MixedMollyWhoppery did a good video on the situation that you might find interesting, I'd definitely recommend giving it a listen. It's pretty recent and "scumbag" is the first word of the title. I would've added a few more things but it summed up most of my thoughts pretty well
It's not Jon either. He's just a fighter. It's purely the UFC.
@@SpyroTek "he's just a fighter" remember how hard Dana defended picograms?
@@sibusiso2841 Exactly, and that's on Dana/UFC. It's not Jon's fault that they bow down to him. IF they wanted to they could quite easily take the belt off him and he couldn't do anything about it.
@@sibusiso2841 remember when Leon said he's not fighting Colby because he did nothing to earn it? Then Dana or the UFC said oh yes he is, and we will strip him otherwise. The UFC has all power here. Jon is just blessed with their favor.
The thing about Alex is that we don’t need to “test” him at light heavyweight anymore. He isn’t on the same path as other fighters. He has the opportunity to be come a triple champ and we should allow him the opportunity to be different and attempt it. If he fails then he can go back to fight at light heavyweight. But not allowing him the opportunity because he needs to fight the wrestler and all this talk of the next opponent is unnecessary. He is already a star he is someone who is established and to say he “skipped the line” he answered the call to fight and did it. U do not punish someone for stepping up twice already. Give that chance to be the first modern triple champ. History in the making
I agree. Reward fighters who are active. Alex has fought 7x in the last 24 months and all 7 were against current, future, or former champs.
Considering Ankalaev isn't gonna wrestle anyways, he's not even gonna get that test. Where Jan failed to finish Ank, Alex will get it done. Gonna be interesting to see what the narrative is if that is indeed how it goes
That said, as much as I want to see it, the IC should be next in line. Then Alex. Assuming Jon loses to either Stipe or Tom/Curtis, that match would make even more sense, and Alex could be next for him if he loses to Stipe. Which I personally think will happen, by KO. And if that's how it goes, Alex's chances may be greatly improved.
Alex is a freemason and it's in the cards for him to be "triple champ" just like hermes is "the thrice great". You need to get over to Rigo and brush up on your knowledge on occultists breaking into the UFC
Strip Jon and unify the belt with Alex v Tom
@@Charles-mv7sv ur talking about the longest reigning champion of the light heavyweight division (the one Alex is dominating) think of it as they would be fighting for both light heavyweight and heavyweight titles. Tom is temporary. People seem to forget how long Jon has held titles
Jones is the only one holding up the division
WE KNOW ITS NOT STIPE HOLDING UP THE DIVISION, ITS JONES AND DANA IS LETTING HIM!!
Yes the greatest of all time gets that privilege, Tom Aspinall is a nobody that has a bit of hype that will die out soon.
The UFC is holding up the heavyweight division, not Stipe, by not stripping Jones due to his injury and proceeding inactivity. They did this to 2 light heavyweight champions in a row, but now Jones gets a pass. And because of that they issued another meaningless "belt" and now that "belt" is being defended, even though the interim belt itself is supposed to represent the guaranteed #1 contender next in line to fight the champion. They should have stripped Jones and put Aspinall against Stipe or someone else for the vacant belt.
Alex v Tom for unification!
It's no fault of Stipe's; Dana White is the one holding up the heavyweight division. Rightly or wrongly, he has placed his respect for the man and what he thinks Stipe deserves above the prospect of seeing the 2 actual BEST heavyweights in the world fighting - one of which is clearly Tom Aspinall.
We wouldn’t have heard from Stipe until his hall of fame induction if he wasn’t called out. Even when he was, all we got was “I’ll be there”
Funny thing about mma fans is that if Tom were to be given the undisputed title after Jon was stripped, a lot of those same fans would claim Tom wasn’t the real champ and won a paper belt. Similarly to how people treat DC’s Lhw career
This is true. I’m guilty of it too. It’s hard to recognize a guy as world champion when there’s a guy out there you think can beat him. But if they don’t fight, you need to do what’s right and give it to the active guy. Tom deserves a belt. But I also want him to fight jones. Same with dc. Jones throws a big wrench in all this.
Idk if you know what undisputed champion means but do your research 🤣
Literally getting handed a championship without earning it through a fight is the definition of disputed champion that people should call paper champ 😂
@@TPillyyeah is that how the ufc uses the term though? You think if Jones was stripped, never came back, and Tom was given the belt, he wouldn’t be considered the Undisputed champion by the UFC?It’s only disputed when there is an active champ to lay claim to the belt
@@Rugbiii yes that’s how the ufc uses the term. A champion isn’t announced as undisputed until they win the belt. Tom would be undisputed after his first real defense. But if there was a vacant title and tom was handed it without a fight. He would not be undisputed
Jon's resume is all that matters to Jones and UFC,
Get the shit over with already. The fight is almost completely uninteresting at this point. If Jones is going to retire after embarrassing stipe then that will be anticlimactic as fuck but at least we can move on.
Jones vs Pereira is obviously the dream but what are the actual chances of that? Maybe when they’re both over 40 since Jon only fights every couple of years?
jones agent should convince dana to give the title shot to periera. it would do more ppv buys for jones than miocic
Fair to think it shouldn't be Jon's next fight, but the only way to think it's a layup for Jon and uninteresting purely because of that is if you're either not actually very familiar with Stipe's style, skills, and attributes or if you're just bought and sold on the notion that he's too old or whatever. Which I truly, genuinely don't mean in a disrespectful or condescending way. I get it.
But, as far as style, skills, and attributes, he's a bad matchup for Jon. He's also in better shape physically and mentally. He may be older on paper, but heavy drinking and regular drinking, as well as drug use, all speed up biological aging for Jon. Jon is no spring chicken, and he's coming off an injury. His last fight that lasted longer than a round was before Stipe's last fight and that 2.5 minutes wasn't enough to stage off any potential ring rust, especially considering that it will have been 18 months since then when he fights again.
Ring rust is mostly nerves and timing. Stipe will have done much more sparring in the year leading up to this fight and he deals with higher pressure situations every week for his regular job.
Personally, I think Stipe is gonna be the first to KO Jon
A 43 year old man who hasn't fought in 3 years and when he last did, got knocked out viciously like a cartoon character is not a challenging stylistic match up for Jones Jones. You're being ridiculous.
Stipe literally burst out laughing when he was asked that question. That should be all you need to know.
CURRENT Pereira vs Jones @ 205 when Jones was still on a hot run would've been fuckin NUTS
Tito tapped
Uncle Chael, I agree with you 100%! Stipe is definitely not holding up the heavyweight division. If everyone recalls, Stipe said the only fight that he wanted was potentially Jon Jones. In lieu of that injuries, negotiation jargon, etc. Came into play. So, if anyone else was in Stipe's position, I am sure you guys would wait for Jon Jones. Because it would be potentially the last fight of their careers, a fight for legacy, and money. It all makes sense as to why Stipe opted to wait.
I wonder how much ufc pays chael to make these videos 😂
didn’t chael just beef dana
@@taylorkmevery1428he was hacked you schaub hating redditor/ chael casual. He covered this already
Not enough if hes selling jocko bullshit
Chael has been pumping out content for like 3 years straight on the tube it’s insane lol
Never heard of Serjy Pavlich before. Thanks for sharing that with me Chael.
I know absolutely 0 MMA fan who is interested in watching Miocic comeback vs Jones. UFC should pay him 100k and send him to the end.
They're trying to show that the Jon Jones fight is really competitive, but everyone knows it's not and no one wants to see that crap. This man didnt defeat anyone in the last 4 years and his last fight was a loss by brutal KO.
Chael please read the comments... Its Jon not Stipe
BTW, Ali fought between 206 (Fight against Liston) and 214 (Frazier in 1971
IHe ballooned up towards 230 by the end of his career, in 1980
Scrap interim belt. Make it a bmf belt in each division
We, as fans, have spoken overwhelmingly.
I am not even sure that Aspinall would beat Stipe…
I saw stipe after miocic vs dos santos 1 I was working at the airport. It was 3 am I really wanted to congratulate him but he looked pissed af he had just lost and I didn’t want to annoy him
Stipe/Jones was an interesting fight before Tom/Sergei.
Meaningless snoozefest between two dinosaurs
Jon Jones fought a non-champion in Cyril Gane, won and now is holding the division. Stipe is not doing anything bad
JON BONES JONES is not holding up division, Stipe is running from the end!
I would be happy to see Jones-Arlovski at this point if it got a fight in the cage
I can already imagine the eye pokes
Stipe is holding up the division. Stipe should have retired 3 years ago. He’s an excellent firefighter. If Stipe had retire Jon would have fought twice by now. Jon must be a -3000 on DK against Stipe.
Jones didn't fight for two years because of Stipe 😂😂
Stipe is the man and come to fight as he always does and will be the champ when it's over don't know if the rest of the Walkers is going to share that same thought
Rationale is not a part of some people's thought process nowadays, they just jump on whatever trendy new thing will get them clicks or likes.
How is he holding up a division if he been waiting on jones for going on 2 yrs
Crazy how few people realize that. He wanted it in Sep '22. I think he's gonna be the first to ko Jon, and I'm interested to see how the narrative will change if and when that happens. Something tells me that many of Jon's biggest haters will start making excuses for him just to keep their narrative intact, but hopefully not. Sucks that people are so obsessed with hating Jon that they're willing to trash a guy like Stipe just as a means of hating on Jon (not that I don't understand the hatred towards Jon, just saying)
@LarryMayvid we didnt know if jones was even coming back. stipe wasn't choosing to fight anyone while the ufc was negotiating with jon. other contenders like blaydes, pavlovich, gane and aspinall were doing the heavy lifting in the division while stipe was just sitting and gifted another title shot after getting finished.
Sir G. Pavlitch vs Alex Piyera
We can't blame fighters, even when they avoid opponents, they have to look out for their own interests. It's the organization miss managing the situation.
No views in 16 seconds chael fell off
Funny, creative, and original!!!
Who gives af
I've been saying for years that one of the reasons Stipe got KOed by Francis was he weighed around 30 lbs less than his opponent.
how did izzy ko alex when he weighs less than him? or how did almeida beat lewis when he was outweighed by 40lbs?
He got KO'd because he rushed Francis after landing a check right pivot and thinking he rocked a man mountain with an uncrackable chin and consequently walked right into Francis's power side. Stipe could have weighed 300lbs on Jones's stack and still would have been knocked out. It was a technical mistake on Stipe's behalf
I think The way he says Alex's last name is disrespectful personally to George St-Pierre 😂
Ngannou leaving and Jon getting hurt really set back the division. It was getting old for the most part and Francis was a bright, young star. Aspinall and Gane were coming up, Tuivasa was entertaining, Jon Jones was coming back. The Stipe and Jon fight is definitely holding it back though. They should’ve moved on from it after his injury. It should be Jon and Tom unless Jon plans on retiring after the Stipe fight
Heyy ! Chael! Gil from Modesto!
I needed Chael to sdress this ffs. I do think the division is being holded but how is it by stipe
With Andre Arlovski retiring, Stipe has zero wins over anyone in the company at the UFC.
Stipe is entitled. he ducked contenders after he got knocked out by ngannou. he should have fought the contractually signed backup fighter, Pavlovich. if stipe would have beat him, no one would be complaining about his title shot
counting blaydes out is going come back and make em cry n rage...after curtis KOs tom 😂😂😂
Blaydes won't ko tom
Are you talking about the guy that got nose dived by Derrick Lewis & Francis x2? 🤣
There are current UFC super fans that have never seen Stipe fight live and we're saying he's holding up the division.
Has Chevy Chase called requesting his glasses back ?
Stipe is holding up the division he shouldve fought segei that night he didnt. The hungry guy tom did and now heavyweight division is being turned into a joke with the interim champ defending the belt instead of fighting for the real belt
It was Jon's fault for pulling out. And since Stipe had already been sitting on the sidelines for two years leading up to that fight, people already treated him as though he was retired. The HWs should be smart enough to figure out that it will likely be his retirement fight.
What will make this more complicated is if Stipe beats JJ. Would JJ get an immediate rematch or would Stipe move on?
Doubtful, stipe will be at least 60 before the fight happens, to be fair brilliant tactic from jones trying to guarantee the win🤣
The whole Stipe and Jones fiasco IS holding up the whole division. Stipe just wants a retirement payday, which is fair enough and her deserves it but we have been waiting years and he's got Jon Jones on a leash because Jones is hiding from Aspinall.
He got smaller to be quick against dc liked how he felt at that weight til he grabbed onto Francis lol
You know me now. Let’s go Stipe
Jon should fight Tom first, then winner defends v Stipe, Francis and Alexander in that order.
I think when that person asked Stipe about it, they poorly worded it. I believe they meant that 'fight' is holding up the division, not Stipe himself. I think 99% of people know it's Jones controlling the UFC to keep his name relevant, because Dana would do anything for him lol.
How you gonna say HE’S holding up the division when JONES refuses to fight anyone else ???
Like what is worse s stipe or corner.
After Jones beats Stipe I'm excited to see Jones vs Arlovski or maybe even Jones vs Couture 🥳🥳
Stipe should have had to fight by now or be dropped from contention and not be allowed to fight anyone higher than #10. Jon should HAVEto fight the interim champ on then1st fight back from a prolonged injury or be stripped of the title.
Jones want Miocic but the fans not much the planet want see Jones against the number 1 in the Ranking right now in his category that are Tom Aspinall.
I like Stipe and he does deserve this fight. But I give him less of a chance to beat Jones than Tom. And I don’t want Jon to have the opportunity to retire on a win.
What is the Jon at 232 lbs, Cael?? Jon was 248 lbs for Gane.... #COME ON MAN
I mean if it was frank mir, the actual UFC heavyweight goat that Dana doesn't like talking about, then maybe I would understand this. But I could care less about making the heavyweight division wait. If y'all wanna see Jones vs stipe then Kool but you can do it without the title on the line. Tom is the actual champion
This is the most satirical title Unc Chael has done so far
Jon Jones Is holding up UFC HW division. He should win and retire, because HW was always interesting to watch till he comes and paralize the division.
Stipe gonna throw more combos than a Chinese menu. Forgetaboutit.
Suga Sean says he should have fight news sometime in the next two weeks
Francis held up the Heavyweight division for the longest time playing his contract games with the UFC & now Jones is holding it up with his injury. Stipe has been Chandlered 2x in the past 3 1/2 years. Aspinall will have his time. Just gotta wait til November for the double retirement then will fight for vacant undisputed fight against Ciryl Gane I bet.
Stipe lost weight to be lighter and faster to beat Daniel Cormier. It worked but then he was too small for Francis. I’m pretty sure you talked about it when it was all happening.
UNCLE CHAEL
Jones and stipe had this fight planned before he got hurt, but still
Stipe is coming off a KO loss and pushing 4 years on the couch, and good ol UFC kiss ass uncle chael trying to tell us that Stipe vs Jones is somehow the better fight than interim champ Aspinal vs Jones! No, Aspinal now has to defend a belt he will be stripped of the moment Stipe v Jones happens, and both fighters in Jones vs Stipe are 100% retiring after that fight! This has been one big shit show cuz Dana wanted to destroy Francis Ngannou for leaving without losing the precious belt! Jones gets to fight Gane, who also lost to Ngannou and lost two title fights before that, and now Jones gets to skip over the number 1 heavyweight currently still fighting, and he gets to hand pick Stipe off 4 years couch and KO loss for his "legacy fight" and fans get fucked when Jones and Stipe both retire! Then Aspinal will have to fight a 3rd title fight in a row, if he beats Blaydes, before he gets the actual belt, and none will be against the current champion!
Chael I love yiu
who? dude hasn't fought in over 3 years
Tom vs Alex gets Alex wrecked
Stiepe has how many straight wins in the division as heavyweight champion. It’s only like three or four and his last fight was a fucking knock out. And it was him they got knocked the fuck out. I think it’s the new CEOs who are making this decision and changing up the format wherever they think they could make money over the best people.
Let’s just start talking about Tom and stop talking about Jon and Stipe
To be fair...Stipe is no longer the youngest. While I do think he has 1 or 2 good fights left in him a third fight whit ngannou would be the only one that truly would motivate him
Plus kids,wife etd
Heavyweight division? Diddnt know there was one!
Dana Blanco still riding that Jon Jones (D)Train, cocaine is the color of his last name tho so it must feel familiar for Jon 😂
Jones is right. Tom Aspinall is just not a super-fight and no one cares. He doesn't capture the collective imagination like Ngannou or Gane, is probably mostly unknown to most viewers, he doesn't bring anything new or PPV $ points to the table. Jones got screwed and wanted Ngannou... now I'm 100% he would be way more interested in fighting Pereira.
And Jon DIDN'T?
People have receny bias. They forget he already held up the division for 3 years when jones was defending his LHW title. DC did the same thing out of spite when he got the belt, then he lost it to stipe, whom again held up the division, then lost it to francis.. So yeah... This is super common in the heavyweight division. Id bet this division has the most interim title belts
Dc literally put his title on the line twice in 10 months after he won the belt. and between that 10 months, he had back surgery
Both Stipe and Jon were bulking getting ready for Francis. Francis exited stage left and made bank with the Fury and AJ fight.
And now Stipe and Jon are stuck fighting each other for peanuts.
Francis won.
Okay UNC, you wanna talk about Stipe, let’s talk. He has not fought in 3&1/2 yrs, oh and btw in that fight he got slept! His last win was 4 yrs ago in which Jon wasn’t even in the division. This fight is dumb and if they don’t put some BANGERS below it I’m not buying
Jones wants to fight Stipe. Simple.
Thats what we are waiting for. Stipe is the current HW goat, people forget who tf this man is because he hasnt fought lately. Jones wants to beat him for that reason. Have no doubt the winner will fight Aspinall.
Nobody cares about Stipe ….
NOOOOOObody!!!
Stipe doesn't care about you 😂😂😂😂😂
I care about stipe. I care enough to tell you he should just retire and make Jon Jones fight Aspinall or someone who is relevant.
@@ryanhogan1561nobody cares about Aspinall either tho.
@@B_uttcrumbs Aspinal could have defended his belt 3 times like Poatan did in the time Jones was out but instead he chose to be a Twitter Fingers like Chimaev and sit out. Now he missed his chance and is irrelevant
Ngannou got lucky, but stipe shouldn't have boxed him. Should have wrestled. Regardless, it's Jones fault and ufc is complicit
Should have Wrestled ? You're a Genius every MMA Coach on the planet doesn't thinked about it and they Let Ngannou became World Champion, You know that Ngannou defense evolved a lot ? Miocic tried Grapple Ngannou but he can't this time.
Ngannou split when he knew he wouldn't last as champion.
Why are we still talking about Stipe? The guy retired 4 years ago
He's been trying to fight for two years now and the first the time he said he didn't want to fight anyone but Jones (or Francis) was after they dicked him over on the IC
"He's been trying to get s fight for 2 years now". The UFC is CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED to offer EVERY fighter 3 fights a year. If a fighter isn't fighting 3 times a year, it means they declined the UFC's offer. Otherwise Stipe can sue the UFC for breach of contract.
It's a bad news day because John's gonna get hurt right before the fight again john doesn't want to fight John's doing all this partying but ain't fighting nobody John's the one holding up to the vision
Stipe is gonna be the first to KO Jon. I just hope he gets the respect he deserves afterwards
He's gotten old by now man, it's been fucking years!....
@@njmalldayStipe is tough as an old leather boot! Jon will not KO him 😂😂😂
@@njmallday So has Jon, and years of regular, heavy drinking quite literally accelerates biological aging. It's shown in his diminished movement and speed in his last few fights, especially against Gane. He very narrowly managed to beat Santos, who wrecked his knee halfway through the fight and who still managed to win 1 or 2 rounds after that.
Meanwhile, Stipe has been clean and making a living doing something that requires him to stay in great shape physically, and that also keeps him mentally sharp, dealing with extremely high pressure scenarios that require the ability to make decisions and change his gameplan in a split second. Solid wrestling and has never been submitted, even by Werdum, better boxing than Jon, and true one punch KO power. He's a very tough matchup for Jon, and he's in better shape. Even more so when you consider that Jon is coming back from an injury
@@LarryMayvid well fucking alright! You just gave that fight some life for me. I like your take. I'd always route for Stipe.
No, Dana/Jones is.
This fight is more like a Thank you Jones for your services your last fight will be against a Veteran and is low risk for you, Miocic never Sell PPV and doesn’t win a fight since 2018.
Chael once again in Stipe's woife's DMs 💀
Jon is recently injured and out of shape is why the fights still not happened
jones waiting on stipoc like chandler was waiting on conor
Francis will never fight in PFL
And people still act like he's some hero for fighters. He said himself that the UFC had offered him enough money that he was even willing to forget about boxing but the deal breaker was that his pay would go down significantly if he lost to Jones, as if that doesn't happen to every champ when they lose the title. The important part of that, though, is the deal breaker wasn't fighters not getting health insurance or any of that - it was him not being guaranteed enough money regardless of if he won or lost. Now he's still trying to box again before fighting in the PFL while Davis is saying his next fight will be in the PFL. Clearly not good to work with and none of his potential opponents over there will ever get that guaranteed million if he never fights them
@@LarryMayvid well said. Most people miss this.
Quite why Dana didnt have his favourite relinquish ghe title l, we have stipe vs pavlovich for the title and then jone ls vs the winner is beyond me. Hell jones likwly beats winner and becimes a 2x champ and looks even betterm everyone wjns!!! But they didnt!! Y is beyond me
Aspinall is the real champ, and the main belt is for the senior citizens
Francis ducked stipe. Stipe deserves that belt. Too bad jon got it first.
dana white is holding it
It'll be funny if Stipe beats Jon.