What really annoys me is that the BBC said that the article “met their standards” which to me isn’t a defense of the article, it’s a damnation of their standards.
@@bitnewt They are claiming it went through a rigourous editorial process with lots of back and fort and review. Just imagine what the original draft must have looked like
When Shaun said that reporter doesn’t care about women being assaulted I got confused that he would state something so hard to prove so definitively. And then he proved it. 👏👏👏
I'm of the opinion that they do care about women being sexually assaulted, but only in as much as it can prove that men (or those they consider men) are rapists and not out of any concern for the wellbeing of those who have been sexually assaulted.
Tbh that sounds like something you'd hear in one of the weirder missions of GTA V, or Fallout NV with wild wild wasteland turned on, not real life. Yet here we are.
@@chillichan explaining that someone used a rapist as a source for their transphobic article is very, very different from defending them. Did you watch the video?
Not fully related to the topic at hand, but just for background reference, Lily Cade also said in her murder manifesto that George Floyd was killed for, quote, "being an annoying piece of sh*t," just for some context on what kind of person we're dealing with here.
I hate this discourse because my reality is... despite being very vocal of my lack of attraction to women, cis women are constantly hitting on me and I'm constantly rejecting them. There are plenty of cis women who would consider themselves exclusively attracted to women who've expressed attraction to me and tbh, I reject women so frequently that I honestly feel lowkey homophobic about it because I always have to politely say that I'm straight over and over and over again. Like, whether transphobes like it or not, people are attracted to trans women and frankly, most of the trans women I know in relationships are in relationships with cis women. I'd go as far as to say that's probably an easier relationship than a trans woman and a cis man in this current environment. I don't personally believe rejecting a trans person romantically or sexually is inherently transphobic, but it's very hard for me not to say that the way these people obsessively portray trans women as predatory because occasionally cis lesbians find themselves attracted to them is strange. It's also frustrating because i believe in having conversations about sexual assault, but these people transform existing as an assault and it's very frustrating. I'd be all about condemning a predator regardless of their gender, but that's not the point. These people would like to argue outright that all trans women are inherently predators and they could give a fuck about actual survivors of assault, as evident by the fact that they cited a woman who assaulted women.
Agreed. Largely, I don't think TERFS or these "LGB drop the T" types actually interact with people - in general - and especially not with trans people. The majority of trans people I know, both from my regional country town and now, living in Melbourne, are dating other transgender or gender diverse people. When they do date cis people, it is, usually, cis women. I've met plenty of cis bi women and cis lesbians who have happily and regularly interacted with trans women and other TMA people in sexual/dating contexts with NO problems whatsoever. This is not an alien concept. They portray this idea that trans women aren't ever desired or liked by cis people ever, certainly not by cis women, which is just fundamentally incorrect and completely separate from the experiences in real life spaces. What I've also noticed is a large number of them tend to go for this very strange route of seeing particular behaviours as being innate or "biologically" written, throwing out any and all proper feminist and gender sociological theory that talks about socialisation and how society programs our children with regards to gender and gender roles. Instead, they take the approach that women are innately good, they are innately kind and empathetic and almost biologically predisposed to being conscientious if other people. Men, in their eyes, are innately violent and cruel and biologically predisposed to assault and rape. Men can only ever be abusive and dominant, and women can only ever be victimised and act as nurturers. Clearly, the above is absolutely insane and not in any way supported by material reality, nor is it supported by any kind of feminist literature. But it's such a common line of thought in these spaces and from these people. They recycle conservative, white nationalist ideas of gender and how men and women "work" while touting feminism and claiming to "protect" women.
@@remulous it's great that your own friends aren't pressuring rapists. i would be glad to link you to post after post of trans women talking about how cis women need to allow them into their dating pool, otherwise it's bigotry
@@remulous Not nearly enough people point out just how sexist TERF ideology is. We rightly condemn gender essentialism from other right-wingers, and we need to point out how absurd that same essentialism is from TERFs. In particular, I am thoroughly disgusted by their denial that women can be capable of predatory behavior.
Worth noting that this article was also translated for a Brazilian audience, and I believe that was the only international version the BBC made. Brazil is the country with the highest murder rate for trans women in the world.
As a cis man, in high school I had long hair and sometimes people would misgender me. I suppose that means I violated all those people by having long hair, and I was a serial sexual assaulter unwittingly. To all of those poor victims, I have to say I am deeply sorry.
@@FreeTheDonbas It is, in enough quantities. Google up "David Reimer". Got misgendered throughout his entire childhood, ended up with severe mental issues that contributed to his eventual suicide.
If a trans person passes its "deception" but if they don't then they're just a "man in a dress" or "woman in a suit". Can society PLEASE leave trans people alone? 👏
Really, can we stop being nosy about what's in anyone's pants in general? If you're moving into a sexual direction with a particular person, then yes, please go into depth about preferences, STI status, consent, etc, etc. But the average person doesn't need to know if you have a penis or a vagina. If you're not having sex or planning a family, it literally should make no difference to you
Maybe they want you to pass but wear a form of identification? A special hat? Maybe an emblem on your clothes, like ... for example a pink triangle, ... oh, that's already taken, I'm afraid!
Reminds me of a very infamous moment in Survivor when Jeff Varner outed Zeke Smith as trans and claimed it showed Zeke was capable of deception for not telling anyone.
You didn't even mention that in their update they specifically avoided calling Lily Cade by name, so people who didn't see article before, won't even know who they're talking about, to further avoid any more problems.
That’s an excellent point. They hid her identity, called her crimes merely “inappropriate behaviour”… their response was to minimise harm to the article and to hide their mistake as much as possible!
That's true, but then again, keeping her name up might still five her a platform and lead to more people finding her deranged "manifesto". I think it's better that they removed her name, but the euphemistic wording is just shameful
@@baynemacgregor8441 You see this a lot, people scoffing about their writing being "censored" for just "Having the wrong opinion", but will stay as vague as possible on what they actually said because they know it's indefensible.
Not only that, but they made the wording vague enough that a reader with no context might conclude that a trans woman was featured and named in the article, then made "inappropriate comments" and had her contribution removed. And I don't think that's accidental.
Glad to see this dumpster fire of an article dissected so thoroughly, and equally glad for your call to action. Here's what I wrote: "Chelsea Poe, a high-profile media figure and trans woman, was interviewed for this article; a fact which was stated by the BBC in an article on PinkNews. This is in express contradiction with the statement made by author Caroline Lowbridge in the BBC's article, where she says "[no high-profile trans women] wanted to speak to me but my editors and I felt it was important to reflect some of their views in this piece". This is blatantly false. Chelsea Poe has also stated that she had warned Caroline Lowbridge about Lily Cade, a contributor to this article, who has since been removed from the article following her blog posts calling for the murder and sexual assault of trans women. This is alongside Lily Cade's prior history of sexually assaulting women, which she has admitted to doing long before this article was published. Given the harm that has been directly caused by platforming and legitimizing Lily Cade on BBC, alongside the flagrant disregard for the author or the editors to do their due diligence in checking the backgrounds of their contributors, the article should be amended if not outright removed. The article should, at the bare minimum, be changed to explicitly state that Chelsea Poe had been interviewed, and that Caroline Lowbridge and the BBC at large decided to omit her interview while lying about Chelsea Poe's involvement. If you care about journalistic integrity, honesty, and the safety of sexual assault survivors as much as your editing team currently pretends they do, the article should be removed entirely and followed up with a public apology for allowing such blatant hate and bigotry to have a platform through one of the largest news publications in the world." UPDATE: Entirely unsurprised, but they got back to me and said they don't care. It's the same boilerplate message that everyone else has gotten. Give it a bit for the hateclicks to die down and they'll probably issue a very quiet retraction. Until then, the official stance from the BBC is "we did nothing wrong and don't plan on changing anything".
I remember a couple years ago when I realized the BBC had a specific agenda. I don't remember the exact context, but I think it was either an anniversary of the first Matrix film or maybe the announcement of the 4th... but anyway it was well after BOTH writers/directors came out as trans women and the review would not use their first names, would not use the phrase "wachowski sisters" and it was definitely after they said the film was filled with metaphors for transition. The review was titled something like "Matrix movie is just a male power fantasy" After reading that it was really really clear that BBC has an anti trans agenda. (Just did a quick google to make sure I got my facts right. Article was by Nicholas Barber from March 26 2019)
I think agenda is a bit of a strong word. It implies a planned manipulation of public opinion. I think it's more so a cesspool for transphobes to circlejerk.
@@nerida3347 Well, you could say the informed decision of removing accounts from trans women who experienced assault, and of platforming a sexual predator to spin tales in favour of the article's actual objective, coupled with the BBC's protection of the author and the article even when such blatant lies have come into light makes "agenda" a suitable term to me
@@nerida3347 it is an informed political motive tho. by alienating trans people with the excuse of feminism, they can pander to both conservatives and TERFS. big media loves scapegoating certain groups and the BBC is part of that
@@nerida3347 The BBC, like all western mainstream media absolutely, pervasively and systemically engages in planned manipulation of public opinion on behalf of capital and imperialism. Much like NYT, Reuters, WaPo, etc. it is a propaganda arm of the bourgeois state and takes its marching orders directly from state intelligence agencies who deliberately and knowingly plant false, inflamatory stories. This story is just the tip of the iceberg of their lies and hatemongering.
@@nerida3347 a cesspool for transphobes strikes me as a very likely environment for deliberate agenda. Not so much mutually exclusive as mutually inevitable.
8:29 - "Trans people's contributions are not relevant to stories about trans people." Really sums the British media's attitude to trans issues at the moment.
@@FreeTheDonbas are you saying all trans people are habitual liars? This seems verry improbable to me. Throughout history there were sociaties where pretending to be other genders was considered natural and som cultures even had gods specifically for people we would call trans today. As such modern trans people are not cis people lieing for fame or brainwashed by a comercial or something. These people have always existed and saying all of them are faking it requires completely ignoring all history. Also they are not hurting anyone by existing, so you cant argue they are inhumane by definition. As such, i see no reason we should not examine all points of view when discussing this issue.
@@davitdavid7165 Ignore this troll. They're finding every way and bending over backwards, beneath every comments to be transphobic. A bit sad honestly, albeit insufferable. So just let them destroy themself to their hearts content.
Practically all progressive countries like Sweden, Denmark and Finland all have abandoned puberty blockers for good reasons. Especially Finland had realized that the results of the dutch studies that led to the hormone protocols were probably a result of a huge methodological flaw. For anyone on interested read up on about the how they switched the questionnaires for the genders and how that led to a decrease in gender dysphoria scores which should have disaqualified that study altogether. There are currently practically no studies who met the minimum criteria who find a positive effect of puberty blockers but very few people know that. Just like most don't know about the huge course correction that is going on in scandinavian countries since 2021 even before the Cass report.
To make light of this, I love the memes us trans folk have made with the headline. One of my favorites is "We're being pressured into *coding* by some trans women".
Complaint: "Have you lost your minds? " *Some* trans people"? "We're being pressured into sex by *some* trans people" is the title of an article that includes an interview with a TERF who has been accused of sexual assault by multiple victims? I suspect women are being pressured into sex by *some* astronauts, by *some* Baltic hairdressers. Who sets your editorial standards, Joseph Goebbels?"
*Edit: when the BBC decides they're innocent, you should escalate to Ofcom* YES Shaun, love the call to action, honestly can't understand how people at the BBC can just sit still whilst it actively distributes this dangerous nonsense. Someone should let them know that "some" British people commit transphobic hate crimes.
I mean, the British left also called people "racist" and "Islamophobic" for covering the Rotherham child rapes, so no wonder they're now coming after the BBC for "transphobia".
The BBC is British state propaganda, it serves the interests of british intelligence services and often has its stories either suggested or literally pre-written by them. It constantly publishes lies and hate. Like all western mainstream media, it is a tool of capital and imperialism and should be viewed as an enemy of the people.
“A respondent recalled being approached by an androgynous looking person for a date. After sex the person revealed being a post-op trans woman. Shocked, the respondent remained in the relationship until she realised that she was in a relationship with a man who acted like a man” - one of the more bizarre stories in that ‘report’. Is the person just outing themselves as sexist because they dumped their partner for ‘acting like a man’ (whatever that means)? What are people meant to be taking away from it?
It's such a strange story. I have preferences which means I would rather not date trans men. However if I met one who had actually working pen*s my reaction would be "huh, science advanced more than I knew" It wouldn't throw me into existential angst or something. It wouldn't be traumatic neither. Our relationship might not work out but hey. Life is too short to worry about this kind of things I still think it's good to be open about being trans to avoid this kind of situations (or worse)
this was my complaint, i would reccomend ticking “response needed”. “Chelsea Poe was interviewed for this article, but her contributions included informing the interviewer that another source (that wasn’t excluded until complaints were lodged against Cade) has a criminal record and personal history of sexual assault. Her entire interview was lied about, saying no “prominent” trans women wanted to be part of the article which is plainly false. Her contributions should not have been ignored or excluded; it embarrasses the institution of the BBC to include a rapist in an article about so called instances of pressuring cis women into sex, but not to fairly include the discussion with an actual trans woman that might have negated some of that bigotry. It would be rightly called out if the article was about a single individual like Cade being generalised as one of “some” lesbians pressuring women into sex, but because the BBC has a track record of transmisogyny and transphobia, it was shamefully allowed to be published past the censors by way of using “some” as a qualifier. It implies that trans women on the whole can be dangerous based on two actual named instances in the article. This is outright stereotyping and prejudice, which should have never been published in any news website, let alone an apparently unbiased one like the BBC. This article should be removed and adequately apologised for, the writer should have their position revoked or at least reviewed, and the many problems within it should never be repeated, such as lying by omission of an interviewee’s past, blatantly lying about a trans woman’s involvement, bias in the headline and throughout, poor fact-checking and quality, and other mistakes.”
One really important part about the BBC's complaints progress - when you get a response, it will initially be a cookie cutter template response from some poor mimimum wage person, usually in Belfast where the BBC have outsourced a load of their jobs to Captia. It's really important to follow up that complaint by replying that that initial response, saying the response is inadiquate (because it will be). Only then does the complaint get forwarded on to the actual people who made the damned article. If you don't do this, your response will still be counted in statistics concerning how complained about the article was, but otherwise your complaints will basically be ignored :edit: Someone asked an excelent question, which is: 'what do you have to do when you reply to the form response?' So, apparently you need to counter what they say in the form response. I haven't received mine yet but I anticipate they'll say something about needing to be impartial. How you respond to that particular bullshirt is up to you :) Another point my spouse made was - I was a little inaccurate up there when I Said the complaint would be ignored. Technically speaking, the people who make the decisions at the BBC always have access to complaints relevant to them. That said, there's very little chance of the sort of producer who would let such an article be put out would be interested in dissenting opinion.
Thanks for the thumbs ups gang, glad people are seeing this. My wife used to work for BBC complaints which is how I know a bit about their process. If anyone has any questions, tag me in a comment and I'll ask her
I complain about comments on their website occasionally - whenever they decide, for whatever reason, to open the comments about women's sport, you get a whole heap of sexist comments. Complaining removes half of them at most.
"Being approached by 'transwomen' they assumed to be women" Jesus christ just say "we're transphobic" before your whistle gets so loud my dog's head explodes
So if a flat-earther approaches me and I refer to him as "the guy that assumes the earth is flat" instead of a "flat-earther", does that make me "flat-earthphobic" or just expressing my belief while simultaneously expressing theirs?
@@kincaid9134 If they assume the transwoman to be a ciswoman, then it doesn't matter as addressing them the same as a ciswoman would cause no issue or scene. How is that a hard concept to grasp?
@@kincaid9134 If you were to swap Trans women and flat earthers here, what you would actually be saying "being approached by a flat earther you had assumed to be a normal person." The transphobia is not "identifying Trans people as Trans people" but rather saying that Trans women are not women, which is the implication of "Trans women they assumed to be women."
@@BritneyLaZonga my example isn't me equating anything. It's an example to show the use of words. If a person uses the analogy of water to express pressure as voltage, he's not equating water to electricity...this is my point. People use words like transphobic when really you don't know how to use the words you're using. It's very confusing.
As a cis guy who’s been groomed by a cis black women, (which yes, was traumatising, I still have panic attacks over it to this day), I still don’t discriminate against black people or women. As opposed to terfs, I’m mature enough to understand that an isolated incident does not mean I get a free pass on being a bigot.
I honestly think transphobia is just used by these people as a smokescreen for their own history of sexual assault so I don't think it even comes down to them having their consent violated by cis men half the time. TERFs associating with sexual predators and misogynists has become common enough I really think this has become the 21st century version of the priests that diddles kids railing against the gays so no one suspects him. I even see it in this article, right down to them literally using a cis lesbian sexual predator as one of their sources and her using that platform to rail against transwomen.
I've been assaulted by a black man (who had just been let out of jail) for refusing to do more than 25% of his job on top of my own. Not close to as traumatic, but _exceedingly_ in line with racist steriotypes. Also had to stay at a friend's house because I didn't want to get hit with a stray bullet while a SWAT team had an overnight standoff with a black neighbor. Somehow, didn't become racist or pro-prison industrial complex. In fact, the only thing that changed was my oppinion of cops dropped even lower seeing their incompetence and the excessive collateral property damage they caused on my street. All this while growing up in an _extremely_ white neighborhood with almost no exposure to non-white people during my childhood beyond a couple very light-skinned mixed race friends and a few Asian kids. There's never a real excuse for bigotry.
You just know that the writer desperately wanted the title "we're being pressured into sex by trans women" but someone probably told them to tone it back a little bit so they had to add "some" to it, in a weasel-y attempt to make an openly transphobic article sound less transphobic
It's alright. just put it in quotes and it makes it alright. Even if the source for the quotation is some random Twitter account. Or you, as you were writing it.
So for those who may missed it, a "gold star lesbian" is a lesbian who has only slept with women. Which is not only invalidating for lesbians who needed time to discover themselves or just wanted to explore their sexuality, is also awful in regards to bi and pan (and other mspec) people. It does have the advantage that if I see someone using it for themselves I already now they're not someone I want to interact with.
It's also pretty horrible for survivors of sexual assault who might not meet the "gold star" definition anymore because of it. Makes it seem like they're devalued by it.
@@baguettegott3409 Oh yes forgot about that one, honestly this "gold star" stuff is just an extension of women being defined by what men they sleep with, it's disgusting.
I've heard it in even grosser terms--that a gold star lesbian is someone who has only slept with women *who themselves have never slept with men*. As in, any woman who has slept with a man has forever been sullied and made "second rate" and unacceptable for the Truest Lesbians. Which is the sort of misogynistic madonna/whore bullshit we (rightly) give *men* shit for.
Gold star lesbian is a term used by some lesbians to degrade other lesbians. I have no idea why people think it has anything to do with bi people, I’m not a lesbian so I can’t be a “gold star lesbian” so the withholding of that title is irrelevant to me. I find it really weird that this obvious and specific way of being lesbophobic is continually talked about as though it’s primarily effecting bi/pan people. Biphobia exists but I don’t see it with this tbh.
@@smallspidersad78 It's because of the whole "women are tainted when they sleep with men" these people that take pride in being gold star lesbians very often don't want to date mspec people because "they've been with men, and might again in the future"
Thank you for highlighting this. My complaint: "I am an American who turns to The BBC for more objective coverage than much of what I can find in the US. So I was extremely disappointed to come across this biased, misleading article which plays into transphobic narratives. This writer clearly has an agenda, and by publishing it, it appears as though The BBC does as well. The author claims no "high profile" trans women wanted to speak to her, but this is verifiably false, as high profile trans women WERE interviewed for the article and not included. Additionally, there is absolutely no reason a piece that generalizes across an entire marginalized group should not include voices from trans women who are not "high profile," just as it included interviews with cis women who are not high profile. Instead, The BBC chose to profile interviews from two well known anti-trans activist groups. This is frankly disgusting, and if there's one bright spot here, its the reminder that at least the US media isn't alone at the bottom of the barrel. Do better."
you can't go to any media for something purely objective, I don't think that can be possible. all you can do is look at multiple sources and compile your opinion.
Have you tried DW or NHKworld as international media to supplement your media consumption? They are still relatively conserve, slow and boring but make for a window into German and Japanese culture.
@@sairassiili Aye, you just can't rely on any one media network for anything. This video proves that lmao I'm not agreeing with them, I strongly disagree. I hate the BBC, WSJ, etc etc. That's why you gotta look at all of them. and then some more and then come to your one conclusion. Humans are just really bad at being purely objective. Biases leak through.
So glad to see such a thorough video about the million fucked up things in that article. I submitted a complaint before Lily Cade’s genocide post came to light (still hard to believe). But there has to be more done than just removing the article. Since a lot of the damage has already been done. Potentially good but uninformed people are going to read it, come away with the idea trans women are inherently dangerous, and feel like they are better informed because it came from a BBC article.
Go read the full article. No one who reads the WHOLE thing can reasonably be expected to come away thinking all trans women are dangerous when it is repeatedly stated that this is a rare phenomenon/minority of experiences.
@@andrewteague114 what is the point of the article titled “We’re being pressured into sex by some trans women” if not to stoke fear and bigotry against trans people ffs?! You aren’t really that dense are you? Swap in almost any other minority group into there and I’m sure it would be blatantly obvious it would never be published by the BBC, especially without any genuine scientific studies which fully backed up the notion that the minority group in question posed a strongly significant increased chance of doing that.
@UCERGWhrfNxqB4hCKDkyOdSA okay but also if there's LITTLE TO NO DATA ON THE SUBJECT AND ITS THE MINORITY WHY WAS IT MADE?? its not like stories about cis people who have raped people come out all the time while saying "its the minority of cis people, there's little to no data".
fe·male /ˈfēˌmāl/ Learn to pronounce See definitions in: All Biology Mechanics adjective of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes. Call me when a one of is them is menstruating, until then quit trying to gaslight
I'm a trans woman. In 2017 and 2018 I was in a toxic relationship with a cis woman who frequently forced me to have sexual intercourse with her against my will. It left me with severe suicidal tendencies that I'm still dealing with until this day. Based on my individual experience and BBC's methodology I'd like to ask them to publish an article about the systematic rape danger that cis women pose for trans women.
@Stripes I'm pretty sure the "get a job" comment is cause you've clearly spent ages defending this article for no apparent reason than to be a hateful twit.
That could actually be a very interesting article, a lot of people (sometimes subconsciously) often use their heightened social status and wealth in order to take/do things to others that they wouldn't otherwise, considering the marginalized status of trans people everywhere one could probably find hundreds if not thousands of examples of similar experiences that were previously undocumented Granted I'll probably be dead before sometimes close to this is even pitched as an idea for an article because it frames trans people in a non-antagonistic light but hey a girl can dream
Not to be invalidating or anything but about "the systemic rape danger cis women post to trans women"… is that really a thing. Is this actually a systemic issue that happens a lot?
@@BooksRebound I believe that was a wry joke about BBC's misleading writing. But looking at it logically, cis women are politically more powerful than trans women, so in the sense of power dynamics, one should be careful. For instance, trans people are more likely to have weaker boundaries due to low self esteem and desire for validation, and are much more likely to be financially unstable, which can lead to relying on an abuser for housing, and trans people are morely likely to be traumatized, suicidal, or have multiple mental health disorders due to prolonged stress, dysphoria, and familial/social rejection. I don't think it's anywhere near a systemic r*pe problem, but trans people are, on average, simply vulnerable.
That survey is even worse than Shaun shows it to be in the video: Under the Deception section it includes two examples: One of a cis woman being informed someone was a trans woman before anything happened, and one where a cis woman dating a trans woman for several months in full knowledge she's a trans woman, and then retroactively deciding "he[sic] behaves like a man". It also states that "Queer Propaganda" can count as a form of indirect coercion, such as "The Dogmatic assertion that trans women are women". In other words, the survery literally outright says that repeating the sentiment that trans women are women is a form of coercion.
There is nothing within the scientific literature that even implies that "TWAW". Therefore the sentiment is an extremist, unsubstantiated view (aka a lie).
Obviously repeating the lie that "trans-womxyn are women" is a form of coercion. You certainly won't find any scientific source backing it up. Take a lie detector test, you'll find out that you don't believe they're women either.
The BBC responded and said the following: "The BBC is committed to ongoing coverage of this subject, hearing a wide range of viewpoints across our output. Impartiality is a core value of the BBC, something we apply to all our news coverage and we do not take an editorial position on the stories that we cover. Throughout our coverage we seek to reflect the opinions of key figures, include contributions from organisations involved in the debate, and address questions or concerns raised by members of the public. We appreciate that the BBC plays an important role in informing and facilitating debate about subjects of public interest, some of which are divisive." Bollocks.
Classic 'False Balance' journalism. Usually employed by media sites in attempt to push for extremism, conspiracism, or/and denialism. Disappointing from the BBC.
At least it wasn’t their earlier “this has been controversial but we’re not here to nanny you, you might read something you dislike sometimes, deal with it” response… which I only vaguely paraphrased…
I read somewhere in the comments that one has to respond to the BBC's response if they want their initial complaint to be forwarded to the people that actually wrote the article instead of being only read by staff that always copy-pastes standard statements.
this is the best the trans movement can hope for. enjoy it while it lasts. no one is going to believe that some people are born with a cross-gender identity forever.
I remember when I first came out as trans, and set up a dating profile on an LGBTQ+ friendly dating site; I'd occasionally get a message from lesbian women expressing interest - then (presumably after she'd actually read the profile) she'd angrily message again, blaming me for "tricking" her. Mind you, the first sentence in my profile was literally: "I am a transgender woman."
So if a lesbian has negative experiences with trans people, she is a liar & a bigot, but when you express negative experiences with lesbians you're a victim telling the truth? Sounds like a double-standard.
Sorry to put down your hopes, but he mentioned yesterday on Twitch that he's planning on a week-long break til he starts working on vids again. Seems like the anger took it out of him a bit!
To be honest, Shaun is argueing in good faith but I'm not and I'm pretty sure many if not most of these people made their answers up, some probably not even being woman.
@@intrepidtomato First, the whole black pill rhetoric is actually true. There is a class of men you belong to who just inheritly cause a sense of disgust in women and you will never ever find a girlfriend. There is no hope and there is no level of self-improvement you could commit yourself towards that would help your economic, social or romantic living situation. And I'm pretty sure that believe her and #metoo weren't some fringe online surveys on radical transphobe websites, so your comment is an example of false equivalence. Which is no wonder, you are an incel after all, you are just born to be less intelligent than the majority population.
OK Even if the BBC somehow dodges the whole "it's impertial trust me :)))))))" thing, how the hell do they ignore the fact that Lowbridge lied about her sources and general misconduct in regards to its research and citation? Seriously wtf, it's an absolutely abhorrent article in terms of its integrity and quality let alone the massive transphobia.
My expectations regarding the journalistic integrity of the BBC were already on the floor. They somehow managed to limbo under those expectations, through the molten mantel of the earth, and into the planet’s core. I’d be impressed if I wasn’t so offended on a visceral level.
Most telling part about the article might be the title. "We're being pressured into sex by some transwomen," could just as easily be, "We're being pressured into sex by some ciswomen," "We're being pressured into sex by some cis men," or "We're being pressured into sex by some transmen." Seriously, sexual assault happens (as sad as it is), all groups of people commit sexual assault (because groups of humans are diverse), and focusing specifically on transwomen pressuring cis women into sex without justifiably statistically verifying it is a seriously underhanded tactic that implies a very serious accusation as a result of not revealing all relevant information.
well, not exactly. "We're being pressured into sex by cis men" is a phrase that reflects a systemic reality, in which cis men are afforded a disproportionate amount of power over every other category of people (women, be they cis or trans, and trans men), which results in those categories being regularly discriminated against, assaulted in large numbers, and not believed/protected/granted justice when that happens. I feel like Shaun should have specified this. we all know that does NOT mean that all cis men do this, nor that ONLY cis men do this. but there is a specific system in place that 1) teaches men that masculinity = aggressiveness 2) allows those who internalize this notion to exert power over others with impunity (while ridiculing and emasculating cis men who refuse to do so, along with gay, bi and trans men ofc). this cannot be ignored if we wish to ever free ourselves from the hetero-normative patriarchy, because that IS the hetero-normative patriarchy. of course, every other marginalized category has, in turn, the power to marginalize those who stand below them in the food chain. and this is, sadly, where we white cis women come in, and the reason why our feminism need to be intersectional. we should aim to never hurt others the way we have been hurt, but sadly, I often see so called "feminists" go in the direct opposite way.
@@bdp8102 I've seen a lot of TERFs specifically weaponize transphobia as a means to cover up sexual assault so honestly the second part checks out. Like from what I can gather from this whole BBC article here is that a cis woman with a history of sexual assault is using transphobia as a smoke screen for her own history of sexual assault. I've seen a lot of cis sexual predators do the same thing. Everytime I see a cis man spouting TERF shit I assume he rapes women to be honest.
@@commanderboo8879 I would assume the same. TERFs go hand in hand with rapists, nazis and religious fundamentalists, as long as they are cis. That's the only thing they care about anymore. I have been called a "handmaid of the patriarchy" by TERFs more times than I can count, because I am a cis feminist who believes trans women are women (I am aware of the fact that trans women do not need my approval over their womahood and I feel awful talking on their behalf, but that's just the shitty way things go nowadays). Every time that happens, I'm BAFFLED. What patriarchy are we talking about here? Because the patriarchy that *I* am used to sees trans people as enemies, sooo... looks like I'm not the handmaid here. And I am frankly scared of what women can encounter in TERF "safe spaces", when I think about who they consort with. (However, the first part checked out too. Kinda hard to ignore the fact that cishet white men rule the world, and I truly hope that we women will not end up having to fight for this notion in progressive spaces too. It gets pretty tiring after a while, you know).
@@bdp8102 if you're going to conflate every single gender critical feminist/rad feminist to nazis and religious fundamentalists as you said, then i see no issue making the general statement that most "transbians" resent lesbians for not wanting to have sex with them and actively pressure them into doing so since it's so clear you don't know what you're talking about. if you can make such an egregious and ignorant statement and stand confidently by it, i don't see how you're in any right to say that lesbians expressing distress in males trying to force them into sex is an exaggeration or that "woman only care about cis people". lesbians are lesbians because they are homosexuals. can you explain to me why homosexuals ever existed in the first place, if anyone can identify into gender? what is the difference in saying that lesbians need to accept trans women as women because "they say they are" vs telling lesbians "you just haven't had a good dick yet"? you can live in delusion all you want, it doesn't make males any less male no matter how much makeup they wear or how stereotypically feminine they dress
@@tryingnotto first of all, what I said is that TERF groups consistently ally themselves with extremists, which is demonstrably true, because they do so publicly. You can check for yourself if you don’t want to rely on me and my “ignorance”, then you can evaluate how safe women should feel in a space where white supremacists, anti-choice/anti-gay religious bigots, and actual sexual predators, like this Lily Cade character here, are welcome (the one and only requirement for access and support being hate for trans people). second of all, trans women, as a political group, do NOT believe that they have a "right" to have sex with us if we do not want them. They just fight for their right to be recognized as women, which is not only a issue of who they end up having sex with (and the fact that TERFs believe it is sounds really insane to me, not to mention creepy) but an all-encompassing existential matter. Lots of lesbians have sex, and relationships, and marriages with trans women, you know, and that's ok. Lots of lesbians don't, and that's ok too. What is not ok is denying people their identity by saying "I don't believe you are who you say you are". What is not ok is misgendering them, which you promply did at the end of your answer. It is a form of hate speech, in case you did not know: reeeeeally undercut your argument about not all " gender critical radical feminists" being extremists btw. Personally, I've never felt significantly attracted to a trans person so far (I've only met a few, to be fair), but I've never thought that my personal preference made any of them any less of who they are. Why should it? Their identity does not depend on me or my personal taste. I am not attracted to a majority of cis people either, that does not mean that there's something wrong with them. There's all kinds of different activities and relationships one can entertain with their neighbor, aside from sex. And the idea that your neighbor should be evaluated and classified on the basis of whether you find them attractive or not sounds pretty patriarchal to me. EDIT: there's plenty of radical feminists who are trans inclusive, Catherine McKinnon being the most prominent example. Never said there weren't, never will.
I'm a trans man and very much not British but out of compassion for all the vile, horrid, genuinely threatening sea of garbage trans women have to face, and feeling flooded by the rampant also life endangering transphobia happening in my own country, seeing someone stand the ground behind their support means so much. Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos.
@@RB-qq4hx The very real fact that transgender people are despised by a shocking amount of the world and countless would willingly commit violence against them? What do you mean "Life endangering how?"?
@@ladyhm.6748 Despised how? I note your hyperbole ("shocking" etc). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. How are trans lives endangered exactly? Just so you know, suicidal threats and suicidality are not the fault of anyone but the person who threatens suicide. Suicidal threats are also a form of abuse and are a violent threat, which is why people who threaten suicide are taken to psych wards. Factually they can even be considered legal extortion. So, what do you actually mean by "life endangering." Do you mean like when gay people used to get tied to poles and beaten to death in the US? Because that was how gay people were treated pretty recently, but now there is a 76% approval rate for LGBT in my country. So what do you mean exactly?
@@RB-qq4hx I wish I was making an extraordinary claim. However, statistics do not lie; violence, discrimination, prejudice is standard in the life of an LGBTQ member. LGBT people (16+) are nearly 4 times more likely to experience violent victimization , compared to non-LGBT people. LGBT people are about 6 times more likely to experience violence by someone who is well known to them and about 2.5 times more likely to undergo it at the hands of a stranger , compared to non-LGBT people. LBT women are 5 times more likely than non-LBT women to experience violent victimization . The risk of violence for GBT men is more than twice than that of non-GBT men. About half of all victimizations are not reported to police . LGBT people are as likely as non-LGBT people to report violence to police. Approval rate means little; consider that a great amount of abuse is suffered at the hands of authorities, within oppressive social structures. ..If you've intellectual (and empathetic) honesty, you ought to read into the daily life of how LGBTQ+ members are treated in 'modern' society. At this point, your education is your responsibility. Be respectful, be polite, set aside your biases.
What i love about the image of the skull you used throughout the video, is that it looked like you just poked your head out of the ground to tell us this story
I love how the article has ‘some Transwomen’. Even they can’t really make it out to be a systematic thing or problem with the Trans Community, they just have to say ‘some transwomen’. As if there’s like, three of them.
"I don't like that this is happening in my country." I feel you, man. As an American trans woman, this is my perspective on the whole transphobia in British media situation. When I think of European countries like Britain, I think of them being overall far more progressive than my own country. At least they HAVE a left wing at all. Maybe not perfect, but a huge step up from the US where left wing viewpoints aren't represented at all in the media or the government. And that's why this really upsets me because I already know my own country is completely doomed, and my hope comes from the knowledge that my country is just exceptionally bad, and that most other first world countries at least know better, but when I see shit like this it crushes that hope.
If I may suggest, instead of relying on media which is all just noise and childish nonsense, seek other people's support. It's the local places that matter the most. Admittedly, I do kind of struggle with the idea of transgender . However, regardless of how you identify, I wish you good health and support as long as you do the same with other people. Take care.
I've been feeling really disappointed and truly saddened by the huge amount of transphobia coming from the UK media, government and institutions, I can only imagine how trans people feel having these constant attacks against them for just existing.
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Because it's extremely prevalent in government, media and institutions. It's not a "lifestyle" Whats your problem with me talking about it, do you hate free speech or something?
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Did you watch the video? The BBC pulled a vile move. If that alone isn't enough to merit your slight attention and concern, I don't know what would
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 I'm trans, and it's hard not to notice this stuff when you're literally the target of this stuff. also, being trans is not a lifestyle.
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This is the angriest I think I've ever seen Shaun. He almost raised his voice slightly at certain points! Also I'm glad this is followed with a call to *some* kind of action, though I have no idea whether it's really meaningful action, but it's at least worth a shot.
loads of people have complained, and they all got the same "we believe this article is balanced and fair" bullshit response. if you complain and get that response, _complain again_ . you can complain the response, i believe that eventually it will go up to Ofcom
I'm not gonna watch the video to protect my mental health, but from reading the comments and discussion surrounding this video, as a transwoman I want to say thank you: you're doing God's work. Transphobia succeeds when allies stay silent, and this kind of exposing analysis is what we need to fight ignorance.
Biology is transphobic. Homosexuality is transphobic. Reality is transphobic. The only way to not be transphobic is to become a habitual liar & accuse feminists of transphobia.
@@FreeTheDonbas Well I just wrote a big thing and then accidentally pressed something on my laptop and deleted it... soooooo here's the abridged slapdash version. Biology and reality supports trans people. However our understanding of trans people on a biological level is so complicated and hard to put into laymen's terms, that the general public doesn't really understand it. The general public also has issues trusting researchers on even basic things which is adds to the issue. Sexuality isn't about chromosomal sex. No one is getting off to chromosomes. It's more about primary and secondary sex characteristics which vary even in cis people (even ones who aren't intersex). Primary and secondary sex characteristics are also able to be changed to an extent through medical procedures and/or changing ones hormonal sex with HRT. No it's not transphobic to not be into a trans person and there is valid reasons to not want to date some trans people such as fertility or emotional baggage. However, if you're loudly and proudly proclaiming you'd never date a trans person with no real reason as to why, you're probably transphobic. I didn't really write this for your sake. I already know you're going to call me a liar because you don't understand, nor do you want to understand. I'm not really interested in debating someone like that. However, if one person reads this, looks into it, and becomes a more informed person from it, then I've done my job.
Imagine being so triggered by what other people define themselves as that you get mad about it and refuse to just live and let live. Even if you for some reason don’t believe in the science of gender identity you could just move on with your life and afford trans people the same respect you do all random strangers, but no. You’re too mad that other people are doing harmless things you don’t particularly like. Pathetic.
Someone else simply existing is NEVER a violation of your consent or some kind of forced sexual engagement. If you can't separate seeing someone from your personal sexual desires, that's on you. Take your trauma to a therapist.
It's important this ground not be ceded at all costs. No matter what emotions, panics, or fears someone gives you by sight, they aren't violating your consent unless you aren't free to leave/disengage. Otherwise I'm sorry, but deal with it
As upsetting as this video is, I'm so glad you made it. I never could bring myself to trust the BBC. I would also like to say how grateful I am that you encouraged me and others to file a complaint and ever went the distance by walking us through it and providing a pre-made complaint, it really means a lot.
Honesty, it still blows my mind how openly and brazenly transphobic UK media is. It's so weird to see the USA actually (somewhat) ahead of the curb on this, considering how regressive we are in so many other aspects.
@@pippincovington1348 this is the most exaggerated statement i've seen in all these comments. you really want to talk about how terfs want you to die? i'd be glad to show you picture after picture literally 30+ examples of trans women holding guns and talking about wanting to kick the teeth in of "terfs". that's not violence, but stating biological reality is. get a grip bro
@@tryingnotto No it isn't. Men, particularly in the United States, use the trans panic defence after murder. Claiming that trans people existing is tantamount to them being an evil rapist, absolutely is cover for the trans panic defence.
@@sharifsalem Still you. A transgender woman was nearly set fire to in her own house just a few months ago. Lily Cade just posted a serial killer manifesto calling for the murder of all trans women and the rape of their families. You are operating a moral panic and its pathetic.
Wow that’s particularly disgraceful. Clearly that reporter has a lot of science to read.. the biological science studies showing that Trans is a biological phenomenon go back more than 25 years.
I'm sure this video is thorough and informative, but I am not in a position to hear transphobia right now. Will definately watch later when I'm ready for it. Thank you Shaun for all your good work.
If you feel up to it, the final portion of the video starting at 13:01 is just instructions on how to send a complaint to the BBC, with the relevant text to send included in the video description. Stay safe either way, friend.
My complaint is as follows, because I got Real Mad: "Have the journalistic standards of this company truly slipped so low as to write a hit piece decrying trans women as "predators", without batting an eye at the irony of having part of it written by Lily Cade, a known, self-admitted predator? In the slimy, responsibility-shirking redaction of said predator's statement when she suggested genocide against the exact group of people she helped this company commit borderline libel against, I noticed two inexcusable derelictions of basic integrity that make me unlikely to ever consider the BBC a reliable news source again: 1.) Failing to disclose that Lily Cade is, herself, a rapist. Never making this fact clear in the article itself was already scummy. Referring to the crimes she committed as "her past actions", in an article that otherwise takes no issue with using the words "rape" and "sexual assault", is a clear sign that that the BBC cares more about demonising trans women than helping victims or stopping assault. 2.) Failing to disclose that Lily Cade made direct death threats against trans women. Lily Cade did not make "Comments" about the trans community. She claimed she wants to lynch trans women, citing specific innocent people she wants to murder by name. At what point, precisely, did death threats become "comments"? Was it the same point that the BBC decided that it only cared about death threats pointed at cis people? In conclusion, the BBC has shown that it cares more about accusing all trans women of being predators than it cares for truth, ethics, or basic human decency. The company's actions here will stain its name for generations to come. Maybe you lot can take advice from the Daily Mail on what spot remover works best on supporting genocidal cretins."
@@cristianoreddevil9736 They were right in platforming a rapist? They were right in supporting the views in someone who calls for murder of innocents? They were hypocritical if anything. You cannot platform a rapist while discussing the topic of sexual assault and rape.
@@Ellie-bj2uw Hardly any Lesbians dare to speak out on this. They get dogpiled, thrown out of lesbian orgs, harrassed. There are stories like this all over the net. #metoo just happened. I believe them. I believe the lesbians. Because I'm an actual feminist, not a fake 'ally'.
Wait, _what?_ What. I'm late to the story (not currently in Britain). But she's a rapist herself?? I've got to look this up, this is too important to just pass up.
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 It was a reference, not an answer. Besides, it isn’t technically wrong is it? Most duels usually take place in high-noon.
yeah the absolute worst thing is that this isn't an article in Spiked or a gutter tabloid. The fact that this is BBC represents how far they have gone off the deep end and how ingrained transphobia still is
can you explain to me how homosexuals not wanting to have sex with, and feeling pressured to have sex by the opposite sex is "ingrained transphobia"? can you explain to me how homosexuality ever existed if there was never a need for a distinction besides an individual saying "yeah im a woman now"? like you can't be that stupid
Terfs are also constantly contradicting themselves, changing their opinions depending on how they’re bullying trans women in that particular moment. For example, if a trans women has full surgery/makeup/pretty clothes to become cis passing, terfs say this is an unhealthy view of women and misogynistic because it suggests women have to be pretty and feminine. But if a trans women decides she’s happy with her natural features and adopts a more natural look then terfs say she’s just a man in a dress and therefore a predator just trying to get into womens spaces. So which is it? Is it wrong to be hyper feminine, or is it wrong to not be feminine enough? Like I wish their hatred was AT LEAST consistent.
As a trans nonbinary person that is masc and gay, it honestly feels so great when cis people talk about these situations where we get demonized from spaces that we actually were supposed to feel safe in. MLM, NBLM, and even WLW and NBLW deserve to be in these spaces regardless if they are trans.
ok so you're a straight girl is what you're saying. wtf is masc? you like to wear pants and a button up? if you were born a female, no matter how you identify you're still female. that is material reality lmfao
@@michimatsch5862 It's fine, i've been used to it lately, transphobes have the same takes and never learn when to shut up. So its kinda boring seeing them doing things over and over again lmao. But thank you!
And honestly, I might make a separate complaint specifically for the fact that they didn't take the article down the second that manifesto went up. The fact that she published something with multiple clear calls to violence, and they didn't want to immediately run as far away from this person as possible in the public sphere??? Why are you holding hands with someone who is fantasizing about murder on Twitter BBC? YES I WANT A RESPONSE TO THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
It’s my field so I decided to go for the methodological critique: “This article is built on the premise of using the actions of a minority of people within a marginalized group to paint a picture that demonizes them. In order to do so, it cites a survey with numerous methodological flaws. Firstly, the number of people surveyed (n) unnecessarily small (
I came at the article from a different angle, but this is a fucking masterclass in pointing out bad methodology. May I quote you when they respond to my complaint with their boilerplate horseshit about "impartiality"?
BBC's writer wrote what many women feel about transgender "women"! Lets be honest. I aint a woman, but i heard this kind of argument many times before from females. First of all you cannot force biological women to share bathrooms, lockerooms and other facilities because of biological reasons and the reasons of privacy. A lot of trans women may still have penises, and how will that justify their presence in those rooms?! It doesnt mean that they hate transgenders, but that they have natural reaction to something illogical as this! The solution is to create separate bathrooms, lockerooms, etc. for transgenders, and not force them to share with biological women. That is only logical and "non bigoted solution"!
@@cristianoreddevil9736 So let me get this straight: women are biologically hardcoded to have a phobia of penises, to the point that being near them causes them distress. ...Why don't we sex-segregate the ENTIRE society, then?
A while back, the BBC published an article about a deepfake tool that could turn regular clothes photos into nude photos, and they literally included the name of the website in the article. I complained about it and they said "While we understand your concerns, on balance we think the name of the site is an important detail to include in the story, particularly in light of Maria Miller’s intervention and the fact this site uses more sophisticated technology and appears to already be widely used." They just don't care lol
@@ulture How are you even tying in deep nudes as weapons against oppressed groups? Unless you're including literally any form of coercion, harassment, or really any kind of assaultive behavior as a "weapon to wield against oppressed groups" I'm not seeing it. Also, are you implying that women are an oppressed group? If we're going that broad, then literally everyone on earth is part of an oppressed group - not all women are oppressed, and some men are oppressed - there comes a point where the complete and utter lack of distinction in these claims of oppression just work against people who are *actually* oppressed. The reality of women in the U.S. or Canada ≠ women in Saudi Arabia (or a surprising amount of other, equally shady places). Equality as we think of it is a human construct - we strive for it, but by the nature of life its self there are always going to be minor inequalities in society (though the major ones we mostly hear about in NA are straight up debunked myths, like the gender pay gap), but to call NA women "oppressed" does a tremendous disservice to women in countries that, you know, oppress them. So I hope that's not what you were saying.
Trans woman here. I'm literally just trying to exist, that's all. why are transphobes so obsessed with us? lmao let us simply just vibe pls it's literally all I want. Also thanks for speaking out on these issues, it really helps make me feel a little less alone in all the ill-directed hate
@AmateurThespian I mean that's true but you might be misjudging your audience? "don't worry, you don't matter" does not seem to me like the tone to take with someone who expressed the feelings summarized in the comment you're replying to
@AmateurThespian I was talking about tone rather than content, I didn't mean to assert that you outright stated anything in particular. I just feel like if one is already upset, one may have to do an unnecessary amount of legwork to interpret "You're just ammo in the culture war" in a positive or supportive light, rather than casually dismissive.
@AmateurThespian I don't know where your other comment went but I think the disparity here is I assumed the pretense of not understanding to be lamentation in search of compassion (which is fine and appropriate) rather than genuine confusion. I am still not certain your interpretation is accurate, though it certainly could be, a lot of trans people are neurodivergent (because neurodivergent people are more likely to be trans), as am I, so the lack of understanding could absolutely be literal, and in that case I concede that your response no longer seems dismissive. No hard feelings, I hope.
The whole thing makes me regret defending the Beeb against the anti-PC brigade. I suppose I’m the fool for expecting anything else from the organisation that covered up Jimmy Savile’s abuse.
You do know a BBC journalist went on Twitter after this to suggest it was proof that trans women are like Savile? The current ambitions of the BBC focus only on seeing how low they can go.
@@cobieeliseforshaw8162 Given the history with Saville I wouldn't be surprised if the BBC's hyper focus on making transphobic arguments is really just a ploy to distract from sexual assault going on behind their own doors. You know when someone gets away with that shit for so long there than that shit probably still goes a good bit deeper. I mean we've literally got them using an actual sexual abuser as one of their sources in this article.
@@commanderboo8879 I'm pretty sure the use of Lily Cade was simply that they were arrogant enough to think they'd get away with it because they think everyone agrees with them. It's pure echo chamber behaviour that we in the trans community absolutely cannot indulge in, because we're always very consciously aware of the opposition and threats against our very existence. It's odd, because you'd think the BBC would be a bit more aware that almost everyone has criticisms of them owing to their perpetual both-sidesing of important human rights issues of the day and following moral panics - I've lived through their platforming virtually everything, from the idea that horror movies will turn children insane, through to homophobia in the 80s, to early 90s racism about whether the Music Of Black Origin Awards excluded white people, to lad culture being a breakdown in moral standards, onto Islamophobia pre- and post-9/11 (and the hilariously anti-US Newsnight audience on 9/11 itself, I think), through to demonizing single mothers, not wanting to call out austerity, promoting anti-immigrant hatred, constantly platforming a political party who almost never had a single MP (UKIP, especially Farage) whilst refusing to platform the Greens, who did, because internally they sympathized with Brexit and were climate deniers... The point being that the BBC tries to follow a niche populism surrounding only the party in power, and almost always ends up on the wrong side of history as a result. I mean, people are flabbergasted right now that higher-ups are pushing institutional transphobia uncritically, but people often forget that they so crushed mention of Savile's abuse that Ian Hislop and Paul Merton were warning people on HIGNFY not to talk about it - even though it got left in. The BBC have always been this bad, and are thoroughly untrustworthy. But that's what it is: the institutional arrogance that they can get away with this stuff, because they're beloved and trusted despite, historically, being a national embarrassment that regularly lies to people - because decades later they finally go, "But look! We did a documentary about how awful we were, using all that depressingly relevant footage we broadcast back when we caused so much harm! We're very sorry now. Now, let Louis Theroux show you we're listening by interviewing all the people whose lives we ruined." (Theroux used intentionally - I cannot believe he didn't know and make a deal with the bigwigs at the BBC to say nothing for his Savile doc, as otherwise he's just a bit crap at his job, isn't he?)
Gotta love how my response from the BBC basically amounted to "The article wasn't lying because we don't consider Chelsea Poe to be high profile". Fucking unbelievable.
Thank you for this Shaun. I'm bisexual transgender woman. Seldom have I been informed on transgender topics by a cisgender person this effectively and powerfully. That's not a slight to cisgender people as much as it is a reality of our experiences and perspectives. That said, I am very impressed and thank you for this work.
Thank you, Shaun. The trans community fights a new battle against hatred every week, it feels like. We get mischaracterized as everything from predatory to helpless, delusional, militant, overly-sensitive... we, like most other human beings, just want to live our lives in peace, and we're sick of having to fight battles with people who refuse to let us do so.
@@elliemckenna50 seriously, I WANT to enjoy Harry Potter. I WANT to laugh at Dave Chapelle. It sucks I can't enjoy these things because people refuse to hear our side of things for even ten seconds.
@@apollofell3925 I hear you. It's exhausting. One of my workmates had a go at me the other week because I'm "Cancelling Dave Chapelle". I hadn't even seen the special at that point.
@@elliemckenna50 lordy. The implication that YOU personally are going to guarantee a man who gets paid $20 million a special can never make another dollar or play another gig - as though his life would be completely destroyed by it. As if it were even possible to actually remove him from the public sphere.
@@apollofell3925 Oh I know. To be honest I had no idea that I wield that level of power. I barely thought about the guy and I cancelled him! I'll need to be more careful with my powers in the future and use them for good. I'm going to spend today thinking about how the BBC is an outdated bias news source and personally owes me £3 million for slander damages and see what happens. I'm gonna be rich!
Along with Shaun's perfectly outlined case of the inaccuracies in the article itself, and the demonstrable harm/discrimination it causes to transwomen, my concern is that the BBC will simply say "mistakes were made", revise or memory-hole the article, and move on to later publish more hate disguised as 'genuine concerns'. As such, I would highly recommend that anybody making a complaint also highlights the clear failures in *editorial process* that the article represents. The whole disgusting saga (publishing obviously discriminatory content, lying about use of sources, failure to check/corroborate evidence, the laconic response to complaints, the decision to even fucking publish this piece at all) points to systemic journalistic and regulatory misconduct (yes yes who's surprised here). BUT unlike the effectively unregulated newspaper industry, the BBC trembles at suggestions its *processes* aren't wholly proper and effective. I expect that many commenters here will (with very good reason and multiple historical cases) snort at the idea that the wider BBC editorial processes can be fixed with polite-but-furious complaints. In the spirit of effective, collective calls to action I would simply hope that flagging the clear evidence of systemic failures in basic journalistic process will encourage everyone to keep the issue alive for longer beyond the lifespan of this one article, and (idealistically...) actually prompt a media organisation with supposed public service values to reconsider and reform its on LGBTQ+ reporting .
That’s an excellent point especially as the initial defence of the article was bragging about it passing the rigorous editorial process. Every single person involved in platforming Cade while knowing her past abuses should be sacked and an investigation launched into how this could have happened and how to prevent it happening again.
Yeah, this very much feels like a "mask off" moment where they try to gauge how acceptable it is to move on from the genuine concerns rhetoric to outright, unapologetic transphobia. If too many people see the bullshit in this article, they can always return to dogwhistles. And I predict they probably will
the only "discrimination" trans women face in this instance are lesbians not wanting to fuck them, and rightfully so, because lesbians are homosexual and trans women are literally males. like you can identify and say you're something all you want, that doesn't change material reality and you cannot force/guilt/manipulate people into having sex with a demographic by trying to say they're bigoted/transphobic/awful people for not
@@tryingnotto wow well done for repeating stuff other terfs are saying verbatim, in which you deflect, minimise, misrepresent the issues, move the goalposts. Are you having fun stewing in this hate? Do you like the “friends” you’ve made in this “community”? Do you enjoy subjecting yourself to the modus operandi of cults, with repeated traumatic exposure followed by group discussion? Do you think it’s not obvious when you repeat something that 200 other comments are saying?
God, I just read a transcript of that Lily Cade rant... genuinely felt sick reading it. And I'm not even trans. It's just - there's nothing left there except for hate, it's incoherent in parts and horrifying from start to finish, and there's no attempt to conceil it.
for anyone else who needed inspiration for writing their own complaint, i filed mine under 'bias', with the following text: "the article linked refers to coercion, sexual assault, and rape by name specifically when talking about the actions of trans women, and yet the note from november 4th (about the removal of lily cade's contributions to the article) refers only to 'inappropriate behaviour' and 'comments', rather than actually admitting that the 'inappropriate behaviour' was 'a history of sexual assault' and the 'comments' were 'targeted rape and death threats'; given the content of the article, framing those actions so euphemistically makes it seem hard to justify that the article is trying to present an honest view of issues surrounding sexuality and sexual assault, and seems much more as though it's concerned with framing trans women specifically and excusing the actions of anyone else"
I used to date a terf (I didn't know lol) and this article is basically word for word talking points she would throw out at me. Not great to see it in a larger media setting.
A past best friend of mine turned out to be a terf. It was a mix of Rowling's essay, and my coming out to her, that made me just nope right out of that friendship.
@@bellarosethorne I too, can attest to this. As soon as Ms Rowling started her diatribes, she went full on terf, defending her words and even going with the whole 'terf is a homophobic slur' nonsense I'd known her since I was 18. I was flabbergasted that she would turn to that side so quickly
Here's my complaint: "Chelsea Poe was interviewed for this article by Caroline Lowbridge in September of 2020, proven by a tweet she made at the time. The article says, however, that no high-profile trans women who have spoken about the issues raised agreed to speak to the BBC. Furthermore, Chelsea Poe warned the BBC at that time about the many accusations of sexual assault made against Lily Cade but was ignored. The fact that a woman accused of multiple sexual assaults was featured as a source in this article is disgraceful, as is the vague, unapologetic editorial note left in its place after she made public death threats against trans women. That the feature appeared alongside testimony from rape victims is unforgivable. It is proof to me that the BBC cares more about painting the trans community as predators than women's safety. "
It breaks my heart to see lesbians and trans women being pitted against each other like this. These lesbians are giving us a bad reputation for all being transphobes. They can’t justify their transphobia by associating it with lesbianism. Lesbianism is beautiful and lovely and has nothing to do with transphobia
Excellent work as always Shaun. Here's my complaint to them. I figured most people would choose factual inaccuracy so I went with Bias. As a rape survivor, I was very angry, and did not hold back: -- You decided to give a platform to a woman the authors knew was accused of sexual assaults, in a piece targeting trans women to try to paint them as abusers. Your weasel-faced retraction carefully excludes the specifics of what this awful person said and did, and you do not afford trans people the same dignity. This is a nakedly bigoted piece of propaganda, designed to dehumanize a vulnerable group. Trans people, in reality, are far more likely to be the victims of violent crime than the general population. The BBC apparently wants to create a climate under which that situation will be worsened, by painting them with a broad brush as rapists and sexual deviants. As a rape survivor, you do not get to use people like me as fodder for an agenda of transphobia, not without hearing from us. Some of us survivors are protective bears against the same misery befalling someone else, and articles like this all but invite violence against vulnerable trans women. Furthermore, the article outright lies about trans people refusing to speak, since it's come to light that Chelsea Poe was interviewed for it. I guess she didn't have anything to contribute to the obvious agenda here. She probably made trans women appear a little too human. Stop printing articles that misgender people. Stop platforming sex pests. Stop issuing non-apologies when you do. Stop acting as though bigotry against women is fine so long as it's against trans women. Stop using rape survivors as weapons for your agenda. My story and the stories of people like me are NOT fodder for you to hurt or dehumanize vulnerable people.
I’m just sitting here like, “Which bit of transphobia? BBC has plenty to choose from.” Can’t wait to see which bit when I watch the video! Edit: Wow. The bar for the BBC was already pretty low, but goddamn, they grabbed a shovel.
I love how they added "some" in the title of the article to be like "well, obviously we aren't discriminating against trans women, we said "some", you're the one generalising.", when the context of the article as well as the substance and the "resources" scream loudly about their actual intentions.
This trans woman thanks you from the bottom of her heart for using your platform to tackle this propaganda. I came out 11yrs ago & the increase in hate over the last few years has been very clear. I'm not fortunate to blend yet as I've only recently hit my target of having £20k+ for facial feminisation (some of us hate the words pass/passing so se blend/blending btw). Just in the last 12 months I spent 6 months with an injured arm from an attack in late 2020, it was just starting to heal when another attack by a group of men made the injury much worse. I also had to have a couple of teeth repaired after a group of men attacked me & one kicked me in the mouth as I was down on the floor. It's almost always groups of men who get violent, they're cowards who need numbers to feel brave enough to go on the attack, their anger is fuelled by articles like this. The last few years of increasing hate has now resulted in me being diagnosed with agoraphobia & PTSD. After I have my facial surgery abroad I may have a couple of thousand left over from my surgery fund which will then go into a fund for leaving England. Depending on how the SNP's upcoming GRA act reform goes I may move to Scotland. I'm also considering certain 'safe' states in America as I have trans friends there who have offered to help me settle. These friends live in areas where they have been out as trans for multiple years & have yet to experience being physically attacked & say verbal abuse is very rare. just let that sink in for a second, even with America's reputation there are states there that are safer than the entirety of England.
TBH I can recommend Scotland for trans acceptance etc anyway. That reform is nice but stuff is a lot better in other ways regardless. For instance I never had any trouble having all my NHS stuff say F, woman, etc. NHS England kept having old archive stuff saying M just like how a retired GP of mine kept showing up as the current practitioner long after she’d been replaced. The most extreme example of people being out and about I suppose is that I’ve walked past multiple different femme couples openly doing PDAs with big luscious conditioned and moisturised glittery braided beards while wearing super elegant dresses, for instance. Which I’d only seen anything like in England in, like, Brighton. (And I’ve walked past many other people who set of my gaydar and transdar in much more subtle ways but I can’t know for sure like with the three different couples I’ve seen who match that description.) Also even when I occasionally get misgendered I’ve still had some of the people who did it like.. compliment my dress or nail varnish and stuff, so I don’t think it was malicious misgendering but simply an honest mistake? Like, yeah so okay, a few people thought I was maybe just a crossdresser…. but they seemed supportive about that? (Like I’m not talking mocking or sarcastic or backhanded compliments, either.) IDK if that makes sense exactly but yeah. I’m sure I could think of other examples if I wanted but yk.
If your considering US states, Pennsylvania is pretty accepting of trans people, I came out as Gender Fluid a few months ago, and a ton of my friends are trans as well, and most people around here are very understanding of our situation and either try to support us or allow us to exist in piece
@@FreeTheDonbas I'm commending Shaun for standing up to hate. True feminism is intersectional & inclusive, TERF's are not feminists. This is why in the UK a majority of women support trans inclusion. It's mostly angry men with fragile ego's & insecurities about their sexuality who lash out at trans people. Btw, it's spelt dysphoric not dysphirics, if you can't spell the basic terminology then maybe you're not as well educated about this topic as you think you are
So, I just had a look on the Complaints page, and on the top, there are updates and responses to complaints. There was one yesterday, as it happens, and it reads as follows: *Summary of complaint* We’ve received some complaints about our news coverage of trans activism. ------ *Our response* The BBC is committed to ongoing coverage of this subject, hearing a wide range of viewpoints across our output. Impartiality is a core value of the BBC, something we apply to all our news coverage and we do not take an editorial position on the stories that we cover. Throughout our coverage we seek to reflect the opinions of key figures, include contributions from organisations involved in the debate, and address questions or concerns raised by members of the public. We appreciate that the BBC plays an important role in informing and facilitating debate about subjects of public interest, some of which are divisive. If ever anyone doubted the BBC would simply double down on something as pathetic, disgraceful and purposefully shit-stirring as this article, well...they didn't just double down, but *tripled* down. This his the same BBC who sought to cover up child abuse scandals over the years; this shouldn't even be the remotest shock. At this point, the only options here are to simply barrage them with enough complaints so that it forces action, or escalate it somehow to Ofcom or whatever.
You know one thing that reaffirms for me the idea that I'm on the right side of history? When the other side has to "Ship of Theseus" their argument so hard they get "trans women are preying upon 'real women" out of "I saw someone call a trans woman a woman on Facebook and it made me furious".
JKR said male dysphorics pose the same danger to women that any man does. Male dysphorics responded by sending her rape & death threats, thereby proving her point & ending the debate in an own-goal. Turns out they don't have a cross-gender identity at all. Who knew? (everyone). FYI, the "right side of history" is never on the opposite side of feminism. Notice how every Shaun video on trans people, is a thinly veiled anti-feminist piece? No? Sexist must be hard for someone to see when they are part of an anti-woman movement.
@@FreeTheDonbas LOL..Funny how people can find something to dramatize over when no such event has explicitly or "thinly-veiled" occurred. Get of your soap box. If you think all cis women have it worse than trans women, then you're no different to a TERF and just as reprehensible.
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax What? Of course lesbians have it worse than straight guys. "cis-privilege" & "TERF" are just the modern MRA versions of "female privilege" & "FemiNazi".
Lily Cade having only performed with other female performers is an odd thing to brag about - if she isam THAT gatekeepy about being a “real“ lesbian, wouldn't she take issue with the fact that LOADS of men used her videos for their ... pleasure? PS: Cades actions and comments are ... beyond unhinged.
When I was heading to the BBC's website to make a strongly worded complaint I spotted their response, presumably to the amount of complaints being made about this article, so if anyone is curious, here's their "statement": "The BBC is committed to ongoing coverage of this subject, hearing a wide range of viewpoints across our output. Impartiality is a core value of the BBC, something we apply to all our news coverage and we do not take an editorial position on the stories that we cover. Throughout our coverage we seek to reflect the opinions of key figures, include contributions from organisations involved in the debate, and address questions or concerns raised by members of the public. We appreciate that the BBC plays an important role in informing and facilitating debate about subjects of public interest, some of which are divisive." In my opinion, this addresses literally none of the complaints made about the article and I don't really know what they expect to get from that wishy-washy cowardly statement
I’ll believe the rhetoric of “protecting women and children” when politicians ban priests from public restrooms (who’ve raped 100 fold the number of people) hell we know for a fact who commits the most cases of sexual assault, and that’s the victims family. So why are we not discussing banning parents taking there children to restroom if the goal is protecting children and women. Who are you supposed call if you see a trans person? The police? The police sexually assault FAR more people then trans people so that would ironically only put the supposed “victim” (victim of being around trans people I guess) in more danger then then they would’ve been if they just allowed a trans woman to use the restroom.
You really think moms are the ones doing the raping of their own kids here DM? 98 times out of 100 its a male relative, neighbor or friend. Theres a reason why women fought very hard for single sex spaces, especially mothers with small children.
I can't tell you how important this is. Thank you for standing up. It should also be noted that the effects of the UK's transphobic media campaign are global. This article was reprinted in most major Brazilian media, which I believe has the greatest homicide rate against trans women in the world.
@matt holston that it's a way to avoid the realities of biology. Gender dysphoria is a result of abuse and legitimatey bad attitudes toward either sex within a given society.
@@heatherrogue it's very unfortunate we can't see into each other's minds. I've gone through a dysphoria of gender as a teenager. I acted in what was considered a feminine set of mannerisms to my town's standards. I realized it was based on a dislike of the image that men have as a whole within American society (piggish, seen a superior, esp in my town). I realized there were better, less toxic societal attitudes regarding either sex in other cultures, so I adopted those and feel better as a man. Maybe in general people should counter toxic norms put on sexes, instead of creating genders that don't make sense or are connected to reality. But of course this could be likened to a gay conversation camp testimony, so I'll stop it here.
@@krunkle5136 It sounds like you questioned your gender and decided you were cis, great job man. But that's not at all my experience of dysphoria, nor most trans people. For me, correcting my view of women enabled me to transition, rather than cure the desire to. For me and other trans people, transitioning is the only way to cure dysphoria. If you had a different experience, that's great for you, but you didn't have a universal experience that allows you to speak for others.
Trans people are fairly in need of so many allies, every attack on trans people is an attack on cis people as well. The attacks on trans people are designed to weaken one of the links in the wider LGBTQIA+ community, by suppressing trans people they'll move onto every cis LGB+ person while chipping away at cis women's rights so to re-enforce the genital based oppressions of before that saw cis women oppressed for centuries. Trans people are living proof that the definition of a person is not limited to their reproductive organs but to who they are as a person within the body when it comes to gender, self expression, identity, personality and more. By suppressing that it's an attack on the very human right to be free to be yourself and live your life as yourself instead of enforced limitations based around genitals.
Crazy to me how we've made so much progress in the last decade towards homophobia (at least in a lot of the western world) yet many people don't have the same perspective on transphobia. As a young person I'm often alarmed by how casually transphobic otherwise forward-thinking people can be. Just let people use whatever labels they want, they don't actually affect anything anyway.
Indeed. If it helps I was thinking that about casual homophobia in otherwise progressive spaces back 2009. So this can change relatively quickly. I didn’t even expect gay acceptance to reach this point until 2030-40, tbh. Of course trans stuff could end up taking longer…
The trans movement is deeply homophobic. It keeps transing gay children & historical figures & groups. The trans movement is a form of present day homophobia. Also, the ideology is sexist by trying to erase single-sex terms & spaces - these issues need to be addressed before you can claim that trans identity doesn't affect anything.
What really annoys me is that the BBC said that the article “met their standards” which to me isn’t a defense of the article, it’s a damnation of their standards.
Absolutely!
Breaking: BBC lowers bar for own publications even more.
The way things are looking, their standards go something like, "Hmm, is this transphobic enough?"
@@bitnewt They are claiming it went through a rigourous editorial process with lots of back and fort and review. Just imagine what the original draft must have looked like
@@ronanstephens1597 the original was the lily cade manifesto 😔
Did Shaun just slightly raise his voice? I've never seen such violent rage from our favorite talking skull.
The facade cracks. And what is underneath the tea and crumpets is the longbow bolt
as he should!
"Now, you might notice that I'm a little bit annoyed about this..."
If you want to hear Shaun get mad (and more scouse) watch his "CinemaSins" videos
8:58 I heard it too! I was so shocked that I had to look up from folding my laundry!
BBC Tomorrow: "We are being pressured into amending articles by some floating skulls"
I confess I Lol’d at that one!
Daily Mail tomorrow: "LOONY liberals try to CANCEL free speech by COMPLAINING to the BBC"
More inaccuracies from the BBC, the skull is clearly sitting on the ground not floating! /s
I'm proud to have the honor of being "like" no. 420 of this comment and will now celebrate appropriately
"We are being pressured to Ignore Brexshit by some Sentient Hams.".
A transwoman: *Looks like a woman*
A very concerned citizen, who has no ulterior motives, we swear: "HOW DARE YOU!"
Looool trans women don’t look like women at all
@@richardtyson100 depends on the transwoman, hunter schafer is trans and looks like a women to me
@@richardtyson100 POV: You have never seen a trans woman
@@oldwomanfujoshi no matter how much you think a TW """passes""" as a woman, it doesn't erase the reality of the fact that they are male
@@tryingnotto L + ratio + you liked your own comment + yb better + trans rights
When Shaun said that reporter doesn’t care about women being assaulted I got confused that he would state something so hard to prove so definitively. And then he proved it. 👏👏👏
For a second I really thought Shaun actually dipped into personal opinion or hyperbole; but no it really just was that awful.
@@Mekose not gonna lie they had us in the first half
Same. I was like, "Well, that's a bold claim!" But there it is.
They don't give a flying fuck about helping people, they just want to milk the hateful social storms since positivity doesn't actually provide clicks.
I'm of the opinion that they do care about women being sexually assaulted, but only in as much as it can prove that men (or those they consider men) are rapists and not out of any concern for the wellbeing of those who have been sexually assaulted.
"Note the lack of apology for platforming a rapist who writes serial killer manifestos." A perfect sentence.
Tbh that sounds like something you'd hear in one of the weirder missions of GTA V, or Fallout NV with wild wild wasteland turned on, not real life. Yet here we are.
To be fair, Shaun never apologized for defending a rapist so he has no room to complain.
@@chillichan When did Shaun defend a rapist? Links appreciated
@@chillichan When did this happen?
@@chillichan explaining that someone used a rapist as a source for their transphobic article is very, very different from defending them. Did you watch the video?
Not fully related to the topic at hand, but just for background reference, Lily Cade also said in her murder manifesto that George Floyd was killed for, quote, "being an annoying piece of sh*t," just for some context on what kind of person we're dealing with here.
I’m not surprised, seeing how TERFs tend to rub elbows with white supremacists and actual misogynists...
bigots 🤝 bigots
being bigoted
I've said this before, TERFery is fascism, for her.
@@blede8649 Fascism for people who pretend to have read The Handmaid's Tale instead of pretending to have read The Turner Diaries.
It's the fragile White woman fascist.. grr
I hate this discourse because my reality is... despite being very vocal of my lack of attraction to women, cis women are constantly hitting on me and I'm constantly rejecting them. There are plenty of cis women who would consider themselves exclusively attracted to women who've expressed attraction to me and tbh, I reject women so frequently that I honestly feel lowkey homophobic about it because I always have to politely say that I'm straight over and over and over again.
Like, whether transphobes like it or not, people are attracted to trans women and frankly, most of the trans women I know in relationships are in relationships with cis women. I'd go as far as to say that's probably an easier relationship than a trans woman and a cis man in this current environment.
I don't personally believe rejecting a trans person romantically or sexually is inherently transphobic, but it's very hard for me not to say that the way these people obsessively portray trans women as predatory because occasionally cis lesbians find themselves attracted to them is strange. It's also frustrating because i believe in having conversations about sexual assault, but these people transform existing as an assault and it's very frustrating. I'd be all about condemning a predator regardless of their gender, but that's not the point. These people would like to argue outright that all trans women are inherently predators and they could give a fuck about actual survivors of assault, as evident by the fact that they cited a woman who assaulted women.
Agreed. Largely, I don't think TERFS or these "LGB drop the T" types actually interact with people - in general - and especially not with trans people.
The majority of trans people I know, both from my regional country town and now, living in Melbourne, are dating other transgender or gender diverse people. When they do date cis people, it is, usually, cis women. I've met plenty of cis bi women and cis lesbians who have happily and regularly interacted with trans women and other TMA people in sexual/dating contexts with NO problems whatsoever. This is not an alien concept. They portray this idea that trans women aren't ever desired or liked by cis people ever, certainly not by cis women, which is just fundamentally incorrect and completely separate from the experiences in real life spaces.
What I've also noticed is a large number of them tend to go for this very strange route of seeing particular behaviours as being innate or "biologically" written, throwing out any and all proper feminist and gender sociological theory that talks about socialisation and how society programs our children with regards to gender and gender roles. Instead, they take the approach that women are innately good, they are innately kind and empathetic and almost biologically predisposed to being conscientious if other people. Men, in their eyes, are innately violent and cruel and biologically predisposed to assault and rape. Men can only ever be abusive and dominant, and women can only ever be victimised and act as nurturers.
Clearly, the above is absolutely insane and not in any way supported by material reality, nor is it supported by any kind of feminist literature. But it's such a common line of thought in these spaces and from these people. They recycle conservative, white nationalist ideas of gender and how men and women "work" while touting feminism and claiming to "protect" women.
weird flex but okay
@@remulous it's great that your own friends aren't pressuring rapists. i would be glad to link you to post after post of trans women talking about how cis women need to allow them into their dating pool, otherwise it's bigotry
@@tryingnotto How about you cut the taunting and just post the links?
@@remulous Not nearly enough people point out just how sexist TERF ideology is. We rightly condemn gender essentialism from other right-wingers, and we need to point out how absurd that same essentialism is from TERFs. In particular, I am thoroughly disgusted by their denial that women can be capable of predatory behavior.
Worth noting that this article was also translated for a Brazilian audience, and I believe that was the only international version the BBC made. Brazil is the country with the highest murder rate for trans women in the world.
Yes, this story just keeps getting worse and worse.
I'm completely surprised... not.
Oh, god...
It's basically a call to action then. Vile. Just vile.
I'm extremely curious about who was responsible for this decision
As a cis man, in high school I had long hair and sometimes people would misgender me. I suppose that means I violated all those people by having long hair, and I was a serial sexual assaulter unwittingly. To all of those poor victims, I have to say I am deeply sorry.
dont worry about it. for some reason highschool students are safe from being accused of this
@@krybling I've seen transgender high school students being framed as dangerous perverts for trying to use the bathroom or play sports.
@@FreeTheDonbas where did you hear that?
@@TheLithp honestly i dont want to deal with that shit so as of now i just use the nurses bathroom
@@FreeTheDonbas It is, in enough quantities. Google up "David Reimer". Got misgendered throughout his entire childhood, ended up with severe mental issues that contributed to his eventual suicide.
Honestly Lily Cade comes off like some transphobe caricature ContraPoints would make for a 10 second joke, only she got Pinocchio’d into a real person
I read that as Pinochet, I spent some time wondering how the chilean dictator is relevant before realizing you were trying to write "Pinocchio"
@@Eeo_Mii only other overlap I can think of is "really f'in horrible helicopter jokes".
@@Eeo_Mii I trusted you spell check
@@ctographerm3285 helicopter jokes are for amateurs. Lily Cade is a professional
@@beowyfe source for spell check: i be italian.
If a trans person passes its "deception" but if they don't then they're just a "man in a dress" or "woman in a suit". Can society PLEASE leave trans people alone? 👏
That ties into “we can always tell” and the toupee fallacy as well.
Really, can we stop being nosy about what's in anyone's pants in general? If you're moving into a sexual direction with a particular person, then yes, please go into depth about preferences, STI status, consent, etc, etc. But the average person doesn't need to know if you have a penis or a vagina. If you're not having sex or planning a family, it literally should make no difference to you
Maybe they want you to pass but wear a form of identification? A special hat? Maybe an emblem on your clothes, like ... for example a pink triangle, ... oh, that's already taken, I'm afraid!
Reminds me of a very infamous moment in Survivor when Jeff Varner outed Zeke Smith as trans and claimed it showed Zeke was capable of deception for not telling anyone.
Yeah, if you find me attractive and don't like that bc I am trans, that's not my fault. I am just existing
You didn't even mention that in their update they specifically avoided calling Lily Cade by name, so people who didn't see article before, won't even know who they're talking about, to further avoid any more problems.
That’s an excellent point.
They hid her identity, called her crimes merely “inappropriate behaviour”… their response was to minimise harm to the article and to hide their mistake as much as possible!
That's true, but then again, keeping her name up might still five her a platform and lead to more people finding her deranged "manifesto". I think it's better that they removed her name, but the euphemistic wording is just shameful
@@baynemacgregor8441 You see this a lot, people scoffing about their writing being "censored" for just "Having the wrong opinion", but will stay as vague as possible on what they actually said because they know it's indefensible.
Not only that, but they made the wording vague enough that a reader with no context might conclude that a trans woman was featured and named in the article, then made "inappropriate comments" and had her contribution removed. And I don't think that's accidental.
@@lizardperson780 Good point. Double edged sword
Glad to see this dumpster fire of an article dissected so thoroughly, and equally glad for your call to action. Here's what I wrote:
"Chelsea Poe, a high-profile media figure and trans woman, was interviewed for this article; a fact which was stated by the BBC in an article on PinkNews. This is in express contradiction with the statement made by author Caroline Lowbridge in the BBC's article, where she says "[no high-profile trans women] wanted to speak to me but my editors and I felt it was important to reflect some of their views in this piece". This is blatantly false.
Chelsea Poe has also stated that she had warned Caroline Lowbridge about Lily Cade, a contributor to this article, who has since been removed from the article following her blog posts calling for the murder and sexual assault of trans women. This is alongside Lily Cade's prior history of sexually assaulting women, which she has admitted to doing long before this article was published.
Given the harm that has been directly caused by platforming and legitimizing Lily Cade on BBC, alongside the flagrant disregard for the author or the editors to do their due diligence in checking the backgrounds of their contributors, the article should be amended if not outright removed.
The article should, at the bare minimum, be changed to explicitly state that Chelsea Poe had been interviewed, and that Caroline Lowbridge and the BBC at large decided to omit her interview while lying about Chelsea Poe's involvement.
If you care about journalistic integrity, honesty, and the safety of sexual assault survivors as much as your editing team currently pretends they do, the article should be removed entirely and followed up with a public apology for allowing such blatant hate and bigotry to have a platform through one of the largest news publications in the world."
UPDATE: Entirely unsurprised, but they got back to me and said they don't care. It's the same boilerplate message that everyone else has gotten. Give it a bit for the hateclicks to die down and they'll probably issue a very quiet retraction. Until then, the official stance from the BBC is "we did nothing wrong and don't plan on changing anything".
When the Luke is based 😳
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Oh hey Luke! Big fan of your work (the meme/shitpost voiceovers AND all the fundraising you do).
Holy shit it's the Frogge guy!
And he's based too?
Nice.
Hey, just wanted to say I love your videos! It's great to know you stand up for important issues as well
I remember a couple years ago when I realized the BBC had a specific agenda.
I don't remember the exact context, but I think it was either an anniversary of the first Matrix film or maybe the announcement of the 4th... but anyway it was well after BOTH writers/directors came out as trans women and the review would not use their first names, would not use the phrase "wachowski sisters" and it was definitely after they said the film was filled with metaphors for transition.
The review was titled something like "Matrix movie is just a male power fantasy"
After reading that it was really really clear that BBC has an anti trans agenda.
(Just did a quick google to make sure I got my facts right. Article was by Nicholas Barber from March 26 2019)
I think agenda is a bit of a strong word. It implies a planned manipulation of public opinion. I think it's more so a cesspool for transphobes to circlejerk.
@@nerida3347 Well, you could say the informed decision of removing accounts from trans women who experienced assault, and of platforming a sexual predator to spin tales in favour of the article's actual objective, coupled with the BBC's protection of the author and the article even when such blatant lies have come into light makes "agenda" a suitable term to me
@@nerida3347 it is an informed political motive tho. by alienating trans people with the excuse of feminism, they can pander to both conservatives and TERFS. big media loves scapegoating certain groups and the BBC is part of that
@@nerida3347 The BBC, like all western mainstream media absolutely, pervasively and systemically engages in planned manipulation of public opinion on behalf of capital and imperialism. Much like NYT, Reuters, WaPo, etc. it is a propaganda arm of the bourgeois state and takes its marching orders directly from state intelligence agencies who deliberately and knowingly plant false, inflamatory stories.
This story is just the tip of the iceberg of their lies and hatemongering.
@@nerida3347 a cesspool for transphobes strikes me as a very likely environment for deliberate agenda. Not so much mutually exclusive as mutually inevitable.
8:29 - "Trans people's contributions are not relevant to stories about trans people."
Really sums the British media's attitude to trans issues at the moment.
@@FreeTheDonbas are you saying all trans people are habitual liars? This seems verry improbable to me.
Throughout history there were sociaties where pretending to be other genders was considered natural and som cultures even had gods specifically for people we would call trans today.
As such modern trans people are not cis people lieing for fame or brainwashed by a comercial or something. These people have always existed and saying all of them are faking it requires completely ignoring all history.
Also they are not hurting anyone by existing, so you cant argue they are inhumane by definition.
As such, i see no reason we should not examine all points of view when discussing this issue.
@@davitdavid7165 Ignore this troll. They're finding every way and bending over backwards, beneath every comments to be transphobic. A bit sad honestly, albeit insufferable. So just let them destroy themself to their hearts content.
Makes me ashamed to be British
@@justalostlocal Sneed liberal. Men will never be women, and vice-versa.
Practically all progressive countries like Sweden, Denmark and Finland all have abandoned puberty blockers for good reasons. Especially Finland had realized that the results of the dutch studies that led to the hormone protocols were probably a result of a huge methodological flaw. For anyone on interested read up on about the how they switched the questionnaires for the genders and how that led to a decrease in gender dysphoria scores which should have disaqualified that study altogether. There are currently practically no studies who met the minimum criteria who find a positive effect of puberty blockers but very few people know that. Just like most don't know about the huge course correction that is going on in scandinavian countries since 2021 even before the Cass report.
To make light of this, I love the memes us trans folk have made with the headline. One of my favorites is "We're being pressured into *coding* by some trans women".
I really like that one
“We’re being pressured into completing every Fallout: New Vegas achievement by some trans women. Yes, even the caravan one.”
@@KimperialMarch "we're being pressured into beating MegaMan 2 on orginal hardware by Some Transwomen"
@@KimperialMarch LITERALLY polls show 50% of us have played NV (and awesome username lol)
I wanna add "We're being pressured into using obscure PAL release OoT speedrunning tactics by some trans women"
Complaint:
"Have you lost your minds? " *Some* trans people"? "We're being pressured into sex by *some* trans people" is the title of an article that includes an interview with a TERF who has been accused of sexual assault by multiple victims? I suspect women are being pressured into sex by *some* astronauts, by *some* Baltic hairdressers. Who sets your editorial standards, Joseph Goebbels?"
"Women are being pressured into sex... by a ridiculous amount of Republicans" would be a better article.
Thanks for this. I needed a good chuckle after reading that article.
*Edit: when the BBC decides they're innocent, you should escalate to Ofcom*
YES Shaun, love the call to action, honestly can't understand how people at the BBC can just sit still whilst it actively distributes this dangerous nonsense. Someone should let them know that "some" British people commit transphobic hate crimes.
I mean, the British left also called people "racist" and "Islamophobic" for covering the Rotherham child rapes, so no wonder they're now coming after the BBC for "transphobia".
The BBC is British state propaganda, it serves the interests of british intelligence services and often has its stories either suggested or literally pre-written by them.
It constantly publishes lies and hate. Like all western mainstream media, it is a tool of capital and imperialism and should be viewed as an enemy of the people.
@@Kai-tn4yx no, they didn’t
@@Kai-tn4yx you didn't watch the video.
@@transsylvanian9100 they aren't profit fueled and looking to pull stunts like Sky News does.
“A respondent recalled being approached by an androgynous looking person for a date. After sex the person revealed being a post-op trans woman. Shocked, the respondent remained in the relationship until she realised that she was in a relationship with a man who acted like a man” - one of the more bizarre stories in that ‘report’. Is the person just outing themselves as sexist because they dumped their partner for ‘acting like a man’ (whatever that means)? What are people meant to be taking away from it?
@@FreeTheDonbas She’s a woman.
@@FreeTheDonbas were you there and what does acting like a man entail?
It's such a strange story. I have preferences which means I would rather not date trans men. However if I met one who had actually working pen*s my reaction would be "huh, science advanced more than I knew"
It wouldn't throw me into existential angst or something. It wouldn't be traumatic neither. Our relationship might not work out but hey. Life is too short to worry about this kind of things
I still think it's good to be open about being trans to avoid this kind of situations (or worse)
@@FreeTheDonbas not sure how you infer that from what I said but ok
@@FreeTheDonbas So girls who date butch lesbians who tend to behave and dress in ways considered conventionally masculine are bisexual?
this was my complaint, i would reccomend ticking “response needed”.
“Chelsea Poe was interviewed for this article, but her contributions included informing the interviewer that another source (that wasn’t excluded until complaints were lodged against Cade) has a criminal record and personal history of sexual assault. Her entire interview was lied about, saying no “prominent” trans women wanted to be part of the article which is plainly false. Her contributions should not have been ignored or excluded; it embarrasses the institution of the BBC to include a rapist in an article about so called instances of pressuring cis women into sex, but not to fairly include the discussion with an actual trans woman that might have negated some of that bigotry.
It would be rightly called out if the article was about a single individual like Cade being generalised as one of “some” lesbians pressuring women into sex, but because the BBC has a track record of transmisogyny and transphobia, it was shamefully allowed to be published past the censors by way of using “some” as a qualifier. It implies that trans women on the whole can be dangerous based on two actual named instances in the article. This is outright stereotyping and prejudice, which should have never been published in any news website, let alone an apparently unbiased one like the BBC.
This article should be removed and adequately apologised for, the writer should have their position revoked or at least reviewed, and the many problems within it should never be repeated, such as lying by omission of an interviewee’s past, blatantly lying about a trans woman’s involvement, bias in the headline and throughout, poor fact-checking and quality, and other mistakes.”
What is transmisogyny?
@@krunkle5136 trans misogyny. Misogyny against trans woman.
@@iciajay6891 In particular the weird intersection where we're schrodinger's woman depending on what's more convenient for our discrimination.
@@krunkle5136 good on you for asking
"There has been an issue submitting your complaint. Please try again later."
Suuuure...
One really important part about the BBC's complaints progress - when you get a response, it will initially be a cookie cutter template response from some poor mimimum wage person, usually in Belfast where the BBC have outsourced a load of their jobs to Captia.
It's really important to follow up that complaint by replying that that initial response, saying the response is inadiquate (because it will be). Only then does the complaint get forwarded on to the actual people who made the damned article.
If you don't do this, your response will still be counted in statistics concerning how complained about the article was, but otherwise your complaints will basically be ignored
:edit:
Someone asked an excelent question, which is: 'what do you have to do when you reply to the form response?'
So, apparently you need to counter what they say in the form response. I haven't received mine yet but I anticipate they'll say something about needing to be impartial. How you respond to that particular bullshirt is up to you :)
Another point my spouse made was - I was a little inaccurate up there when I Said the complaint would be ignored. Technically speaking, the people who make the decisions at the BBC always have access to complaints relevant to them. That said, there's very little chance of the sort of producer who would let such an article be put out would be interested in dissenting opinion.
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Thanks for the thumbs ups gang, glad people are seeing this. My wife used to work for BBC complaints which is how I know a bit about their process. If anyone has any questions, tag me in a comment and I'll ask her
It's sad that they took their complaints process out of a Monty Python handbook.
That’s extremely useful info, thank you so very much for it.
I complain about comments on their website occasionally - whenever they decide, for whatever reason, to open the comments about women's sport, you get a whole heap of sexist comments. Complaining removes half of them at most.
“We’re being pressured into hearing about spinny-skirts by some trans women”
we're being pressured into sharing our animal crossing islands' turnip prices by some trans women
the heresy
*wheee*!
“We’re being pressured into seeing picrew avatars by trans women”
"We're being pressured into playing Celeste by some trans women"
The "deception" thing has the same energy as guys who say women who wears makeup are fooling them.
I'd say it's closer to those men who justify sexual assault by saying "she was leading me on"
"Being approached by 'transwomen' they assumed to be women" Jesus christ just say "we're transphobic" before your whistle gets so loud my dog's head explodes
So if a flat-earther approaches me and I refer to him as "the guy that assumes the earth is flat" instead of a "flat-earther", does that make me "flat-earthphobic" or just expressing my belief while simultaneously expressing theirs?
Well, I believe to equal a flat-earther with a trans person is ... kinda transphobic in on itself
@@kincaid9134 If they assume the transwoman to be a ciswoman, then it doesn't matter as addressing them the same as a ciswoman would cause no issue or scene. How is that a hard concept to grasp?
@@kincaid9134 If you were to swap Trans women and flat earthers here, what you would actually be saying "being approached by a flat earther you had assumed to be a normal person." The transphobia is not "identifying Trans people as Trans people" but rather saying that Trans women are not women, which is the implication of "Trans women they assumed to be women."
@@BritneyLaZonga my example isn't me equating anything. It's an example to show the use of words. If a person uses the analogy of water to express pressure as voltage, he's not equating water to electricity...this is my point. People use words like transphobic when really you don't know how to use the words you're using. It's very confusing.
As a cis guy who’s been groomed by a cis black women, (which yes, was traumatising, I still have panic attacks over it to this day), I still don’t discriminate against black people or women. As opposed to terfs, I’m mature enough to understand that an isolated incident does not mean I get a free pass on being a bigot.
I honestly think transphobia is just used by these people as a smokescreen for their own history of sexual assault so I don't think it even comes down to them having their consent violated by cis men half the time. TERFs associating with sexual predators and misogynists has become common enough I really think this has become the 21st century version of the priests that diddles kids railing against the gays so no one suspects him. I even see it in this article, right down to them literally using a cis lesbian sexual predator as one of their sources and her using that platform to rail against transwomen.
@@commanderboo8879 same as qanon
I've been assaulted by a black man (who had just been let out of jail) for refusing to do more than 25% of his job on top of my own. Not close to as traumatic, but _exceedingly_ in line with racist steriotypes.
Also had to stay at a friend's house because I didn't want to get hit with a stray bullet while a SWAT team had an overnight standoff with a black neighbor.
Somehow, didn't become racist or pro-prison industrial complex.
In fact, the only thing that changed was my oppinion of cops dropped even lower seeing their incompetence and the excessive collateral property damage they caused on my street.
All this while growing up in an _extremely_ white neighborhood with almost no exposure to non-white people during my childhood beyond a couple very light-skinned mixed race friends and a few Asian kids.
There's never a real excuse for bigotry.
dammn, boy
too bad you and i couldn't swap places innit 😎
@@Pllayer064 ...ew...can you just...like...not?
You just know that the writer desperately wanted the title "we're being pressured into sex by trans women" but someone probably told them to tone it back a little bit so they had to add "some" to it, in a weasel-y attempt to make an openly transphobic article sound less transphobic
It's alright. just put it in quotes and it makes it alright. Even if the source for the quotation is some random Twitter account. Or you, as you were writing it.
"And some, I'm sure, are good people."
It’s like saying allegedly to cover your ass when saying what you really think.
So for those who may missed it, a "gold star lesbian" is a lesbian who has only slept with women. Which is not only invalidating for lesbians who needed time to discover themselves or just wanted to explore their sexuality, is also awful in regards to bi and pan (and other mspec) people. It does have the advantage that if I see someone using it for themselves I already now they're not someone I want to interact with.
It's also pretty horrible for survivors of sexual assault who might not meet the "gold star" definition anymore because of it. Makes it seem like they're devalued by it.
@@baguettegott3409 Oh yes forgot about that one, honestly this "gold star" stuff is just an extension of women being defined by what men they sleep with, it's disgusting.
I've heard it in even grosser terms--that a gold star lesbian is someone who has only slept with women *who themselves have never slept with men*. As in, any woman who has slept with a man has forever been sullied and made "second rate" and unacceptable for the Truest Lesbians.
Which is the sort of misogynistic madonna/whore bullshit we (rightly) give *men* shit for.
Gold star lesbian is a term used by some lesbians to degrade other lesbians. I have no idea why people think it has anything to do with bi people, I’m not a lesbian so I can’t be a “gold star lesbian” so the withholding of that title is irrelevant to me. I find it really weird that this obvious and specific way of being lesbophobic is continually talked about as though it’s primarily effecting bi/pan people. Biphobia exists but I don’t see it with this tbh.
@@smallspidersad78 It's because of the whole "women are tainted when they sleep with men" these people that take pride in being gold star lesbians very often don't want to date mspec people because "they've been with men, and might again in the future"
Thank you for highlighting this. My complaint:
"I am an American who turns to The BBC for more objective coverage than much of what I can find in the US. So I was extremely disappointed to come across this biased, misleading article which plays into transphobic narratives. This writer clearly has an agenda, and by publishing it, it appears as though The BBC does as well.
The author claims no "high profile" trans women wanted to speak to her, but this is verifiably false, as high profile trans women WERE interviewed for the article and not included. Additionally, there is absolutely no reason a piece that generalizes across an entire marginalized group should not include voices from trans women who are not "high profile," just as it included interviews with cis women who are not high profile.
Instead, The BBC chose to profile interviews from two well known anti-trans activist groups.
This is frankly disgusting, and if there's one bright spot here, its the reminder that at least the US media isn't alone at the bottom of the barrel. Do better."
Such a great closing statement, bestie!
you can't go to any media for something purely objective, I don't think that can be possible. all you can do is look at multiple sources and compile your opinion.
@@Udontkno7
Maybe you should apply to BBC complaint response department
Have you tried DW or NHKworld as international media to supplement your media consumption? They are still relatively conserve, slow and boring but make for a window into German and Japanese culture.
@@sairassiili Aye, you just can't rely on any one media network for anything. This video proves that lmao I'm not agreeing with them, I strongly disagree. I hate the BBC, WSJ, etc etc. That's why you gotta look at all of them. and then some more and then come to your one conclusion. Humans are just really bad at being purely objective. Biases leak through.
So glad to see such a thorough video about the million fucked up things in that article.
I submitted a complaint before Lily Cade’s genocide post came to light (still hard to believe). But there has to be more done than just removing the article. Since a lot of the damage has already been done. Potentially good but uninformed people are going to read it, come away with the idea trans women are inherently dangerous, and feel like they are better informed because it came from a BBC article.
Go read the full article. No one who reads the WHOLE thing can reasonably be expected to come away thinking all trans women are dangerous when it is repeatedly stated that this is a rare phenomenon/minority of experiences.
@@andrewteague114 I read the full article. That’s why I made the complaint.
This video addresses your comment at 15:05
@@andrewteague114 what is the point of the article titled “We’re being pressured into sex by some trans women” if not to stoke fear and bigotry against trans people ffs?! You aren’t really that dense are you? Swap in almost any other minority group into there and I’m sure it would be blatantly obvious it would never be published by the BBC, especially without any genuine scientific studies which fully backed up the notion that the minority group in question posed a strongly significant increased chance of doing that.
@UCERGWhrfNxqB4hCKDkyOdSA okay but also if there's LITTLE TO NO DATA ON THE SUBJECT AND ITS THE MINORITY WHY WAS IT MADE?? its not like stories about cis people who have raped people come out all the time while saying "its the minority of cis people, there's little to no data".
I feel like the BBC has jumped the transphobic shark tbh.
I really appreciate Shaun's response to transphobia in the UK.
Agreeing with biological facts isn't a phobia.
@@jeffgojail eww stinky terfs
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Call me when a one of is them is menstruating, until then quit trying to gaslight
Don't worry, you got the clown car patrols 🤡
@@jeffgojail you smell so bad rn bro
I'm a trans woman. In 2017 and 2018 I was in a toxic relationship with a cis woman who frequently forced me to have sexual intercourse with her against my will. It left me with severe suicidal tendencies that I'm still dealing with until this day. Based on my individual experience and BBC's methodology I'd like to ask them to publish an article about the systematic rape danger that cis women pose for trans women.
@Stripes get a job dude
@Stripes I'm pretty sure the "get a job" comment is cause you've clearly spent ages defending this article for no apparent reason than to be a hateful twit.
That could actually be a very interesting article, a lot of people (sometimes subconsciously) often use their heightened social status and wealth in order to take/do things to others that they wouldn't otherwise, considering the marginalized status of trans people everywhere one could probably find hundreds if not thousands of examples of similar experiences that were previously undocumented
Granted I'll probably be dead before sometimes close to this is even pitched as an idea for an article because it frames trans people in a non-antagonistic light but hey a girl can dream
Not to be invalidating or anything but about "the systemic rape danger cis women post to trans women"… is that really a thing. Is this actually a systemic issue that happens a lot?
@@BooksRebound I believe that was a wry joke about BBC's misleading writing. But looking at it logically, cis women are politically more powerful than trans women, so in the sense of power dynamics, one should be careful. For instance, trans people are more likely to have weaker boundaries due to low self esteem and desire for validation, and are much more likely to be financially unstable, which can lead to relying on an abuser for housing, and trans people are morely likely to be traumatized, suicidal, or have multiple mental health disorders due to prolonged stress, dysphoria, and familial/social rejection. I don't think it's anywhere near a systemic r*pe problem, but trans people are, on average, simply vulnerable.
That survey is even worse than Shaun shows it to be in the video:
Under the Deception section it includes two examples: One of a cis woman being informed someone was a trans woman before anything happened, and one where a cis woman dating a trans woman for several months in full knowledge she's a trans woman, and then retroactively deciding "he[sic] behaves like a man".
It also states that "Queer Propaganda" can count as a form of indirect coercion, such as "The Dogmatic assertion that trans women are women". In other words, the survery literally outright says that repeating the sentiment that trans women are women is a form of coercion.
Crazy how bigots can take simple statements like "a_b are b" and frame them as "oppressive coersion" and "compelled speech"
There is nothing within the scientific literature that even implies that "TWAW". Therefore the sentiment is an extremist, unsubstantiated view (aka a lie).
@@FreeTheDonbas have you read a single scientific literature ever
@@afish1659 You clearly don't do much reading of any kind.
Obviously repeating the lie that "trans-womxyn are women" is a form of coercion. You certainly won't find any scientific source backing it up. Take a lie detector test, you'll find out that you don't believe they're women either.
The BBC responded and said the following:
"The BBC is committed to ongoing coverage of this subject, hearing a wide range of viewpoints across our output.
Impartiality is a core value of the BBC, something we apply to all our news coverage and we do not take an editorial position on the stories that we cover. Throughout our coverage we seek to reflect the opinions of key figures, include contributions from organisations involved in the debate, and address questions or concerns raised by members of the public.
We appreciate that the BBC plays an important role in informing and facilitating debate about subjects of public interest, some of which are divisive."
Bollocks.
Classic 'False Balance' journalism. Usually employed by media sites in attempt to push for extremism, conspiracism, or/and denialism. Disappointing from the BBC.
I guess in BBC's minds, platforming a (n unapologetic) rapist in an article decrying rape counts as "being balanced"
At least it wasn’t their earlier “this has been controversial but we’re not here to nanny you, you might read something you dislike sometimes, deal with it” response… which I only vaguely paraphrased…
I read somewhere in the comments that one has to respond to the BBC's response if they want their initial complaint to be forwarded to the people that actually wrote the article instead of being only read by staff that always copy-pastes standard statements.
this is the best the trans movement can hope for. enjoy it while it lasts. no one is going to believe that some people are born with a cross-gender identity forever.
'We're being pressured into *Talking about New Vegas with some trans women'
Couldn’t believe she’d just walk up to me in a bar and start talking about the Yes Man ending like that!
And what’s worse, they all chose Caesar’s legion
God, I wish.
@@beowyfe I swear you and just say no to pay to win are the Justin Y and ray mak of bread tube lmao
HOLY SHIT
I remember when I first came out as trans, and set up a dating profile on an LGBTQ+ friendly dating site; I'd occasionally get a message from lesbian women expressing interest - then (presumably after she'd actually read the profile) she'd angrily message again, blaming me for "tricking" her. Mind you, the first sentence in my profile was literally: "I am a transgender woman."
Today, on stuff that didn't happen
@@CeliaTyree It didn't? Huh. Guess I just imagined the whole thing. Thanks for letting me know, person-who-wasn't-there.
So if a lesbian has negative experiences with trans people, she is a liar & a bigot, but when you express negative experiences with lesbians you're a victim telling the truth? Sounds like a double-standard.
@@FreeTheDonbas I am confused by this nonsensical response.
@@LadyDoomsinger I’m really sorry you’ve had to deal with that 💗💗💗
Two videos in roughly a week? Love it. Our skull father has blessed us.
Our Boner Father!
OK.
After reading this out loud I noticed this sounds very wrong, but I am gonna leave it here anyway.
skull daddy*
SKULLFATHER GRANT US YOUR WISDOM!
That piece definitely went for gasps.
It turns out this article is so transparently awful, a video on it doesn't require half a year of research.
Trans women: *exists*
British media: “I took that personally”
Now that's a format!
@ip2p p I mean you’d probably take it personally if I called you a r@pist
@ip2p p Trainsgender? You're way off track.
Well, well, well…
@@hughmac13 I’ve been expecting you...
I’m now unreasonably putting my hopes into the fact that Shaun will now drop a new fully edited video essay every seven days
Sorry to put down your hopes, but he mentioned yesterday on Twitch that he's planning on a week-long break til he starts working on vids again. Seems like the anger took it out of him a bit!
@@jackwhite8204 he's currently reviving in a bacta tank.
Of the 80 women questioned in the article, 45 of them were JK Rowling in various disguises.
To be honest, Shaun is argueing in good faith but I'm not and I'm pretty sure many if not most of these people made their answers up, some probably not even being woman.
@@shizachan8421 Oh right, so it's the lesbians that lie? what happened to 'believe her' and #metoo ? Stories like these are all over the net.
@@intrepidtomato First, the whole black pill rhetoric is actually true. There is a class of men you belong to who just inheritly cause a sense of disgust in women and you will never ever find a girlfriend. There is no hope and there is no level of self-improvement you could commit yourself towards that would help your economic, social or romantic living situation.
And I'm pretty sure that believe her and #metoo weren't some fringe online surveys on radical transphobe websites, so your comment is an example of false equivalence. Which is no wonder, you are an incel after all, you are just born to be less intelligent than the majority population.
what is with yalls obsession with jkr omfg
If 80 trans people complained about their being mistreated by lesbians you would take them seriously. Why is that?
Shaun uses a random number generator to decide how long to wait between uploads.
I'm sure he throws a 20 side dice every week and only posts a video if he gets 18 or more
I heard he posts according to planet alignments.
@@gerbermarc7597 So basically, Shaun is Diceman.
we're being pressured into dungeons and dragons by some trans women
That's an article I want to read.
Lucky you.
And this is a problem how?
@@neuralmute You need to roll the dice to find out.
The trans agenda revealed.
OK Even if the BBC somehow dodges the whole "it's impertial trust me :)))))))" thing, how the hell do they ignore the fact that Lowbridge lied about her sources and general misconduct in regards to its research and citation? Seriously wtf, it's an absolutely abhorrent article in terms of its integrity and quality let alone the massive transphobia.
Simple, they just ignore their critics, true to the nature of all rightoids, and lie, also true to the nature of rightoids.
They just can't not~
As a trans woman who has been sexually assaulted by men. The comparison with rape is just stomach wrecking.
My expectations regarding the journalistic integrity of the BBC were already on the floor.
They somehow managed to limbo under those expectations, through the molten mantel of the earth, and into the planet’s core.
I’d be impressed if I wasn’t so offended on a visceral level.
Excellent comment.
Most telling part about the article might be the title. "We're being pressured into sex by some transwomen," could just as easily be, "We're being pressured into sex by some ciswomen," "We're being pressured into sex by some cis men," or "We're being pressured into sex by some transmen." Seriously, sexual assault happens (as sad as it is), all groups of people commit sexual assault (because groups of humans are diverse), and focusing specifically on transwomen pressuring cis women into sex without justifiably statistically verifying it is a seriously underhanded tactic that implies a very serious accusation as a result of not revealing all relevant information.
well, not exactly. "We're being pressured into sex by cis men" is a phrase that reflects a systemic reality, in which cis men are afforded a disproportionate amount of power over every other category of people (women, be they cis or trans, and trans men), which results in those categories being regularly discriminated against, assaulted in large numbers, and not believed/protected/granted justice when that happens. I feel like Shaun should have specified this.
we all know that does NOT mean that all cis men do this, nor that ONLY cis men do this. but there is a specific system in place that 1) teaches men that masculinity = aggressiveness 2) allows those who internalize this notion to exert power over others with impunity (while ridiculing and emasculating cis men who refuse to do so, along with gay, bi and trans men ofc). this cannot be ignored if we wish to ever free ourselves from the hetero-normative patriarchy, because that IS the hetero-normative patriarchy.
of course, every other marginalized category has, in turn, the power to marginalize those who stand below them in the food chain. and this is, sadly, where we white cis women come in, and the reason why our feminism need to be intersectional. we should aim to never hurt others the way we have been hurt, but sadly, I often see so called "feminists" go in the direct opposite way.
@@bdp8102 I've seen a lot of TERFs specifically weaponize transphobia as a means to cover up sexual assault so honestly the second part checks out. Like from what I can gather from this whole BBC article here is that a cis woman with a history of sexual assault is using transphobia as a smoke screen for her own history of sexual assault. I've seen a lot of cis sexual predators do the same thing. Everytime I see a cis man spouting TERF shit I assume he rapes women to be honest.
@@commanderboo8879 I would assume the same. TERFs go hand in hand with rapists, nazis and religious fundamentalists, as long as they are cis. That's the only thing they care about anymore.
I have been called a "handmaid of the patriarchy" by TERFs more times than I can count, because I am a cis feminist who believes trans women are women (I am aware of the fact that trans women do not need my approval over their womahood and I feel awful talking on their behalf, but that's just the shitty way things go nowadays). Every time that happens, I'm BAFFLED. What patriarchy are we talking about here? Because the patriarchy that *I* am used to sees trans people as enemies, sooo... looks like I'm not the handmaid here.
And I am frankly scared of what women can encounter in TERF "safe spaces", when I think about who they consort with.
(However, the first part checked out too. Kinda hard to ignore the fact that cishet white men rule the world, and I truly hope that we women will not end up having to fight for this notion in progressive spaces too. It gets pretty tiring after a while, you know).
@@bdp8102 if you're going to conflate every single gender critical feminist/rad feminist to nazis and religious fundamentalists as you said, then i see no issue making the general statement that most "transbians" resent lesbians for not wanting to have sex with them and actively pressure them into doing so since it's so clear you don't know what you're talking about. if you can make such an egregious and ignorant statement and stand confidently by it, i don't see how you're in any right to say that lesbians expressing distress in males trying to force them into sex is an exaggeration or that "woman only care about cis people". lesbians are lesbians because they are homosexuals. can you explain to me why homosexuals ever existed in the first place, if anyone can identify into gender? what is the difference in saying that lesbians need to accept trans women as women because "they say they are" vs telling lesbians "you just haven't had a good dick yet"? you can live in delusion all you want, it doesn't make males any less male no matter how much makeup they wear or how stereotypically feminine they dress
@@tryingnotto first of all, what I said is that TERF groups consistently ally themselves with extremists, which is demonstrably true, because they do so publicly. You can check for yourself if you don’t want to rely on me and my “ignorance”, then you can evaluate how safe women should feel in a space where white supremacists, anti-choice/anti-gay religious bigots, and actual sexual predators, like this Lily Cade character here, are welcome (the one and only requirement for access and support being hate for trans people).
second of all, trans women, as a political group, do NOT believe that they have a "right" to have sex with us if we do not want them. They just fight for their right to be recognized as women, which is not only a issue of who they end up having sex with (and the fact that TERFs believe it is sounds really insane to me, not to mention creepy) but an all-encompassing existential matter.
Lots of lesbians have sex, and relationships, and marriages with trans women, you know, and that's ok. Lots of lesbians don't, and that's ok too. What is not ok is denying people their identity by saying "I don't believe you are who you say you are". What is not ok is misgendering them, which you promply did at the end of your answer. It is a form of hate speech, in case you did not know: reeeeeally undercut your argument about not all " gender critical radical feminists" being extremists btw.
Personally, I've never felt significantly attracted to a trans person so far (I've only met a few, to be fair), but I've never thought that my personal preference made any of them any less of who they are. Why should it? Their identity does not depend on me or my personal taste. I am not attracted to a majority of cis people either, that does not mean that there's something wrong with them. There's all kinds of different activities and relationships one can entertain with their neighbor, aside from sex. And the idea that your neighbor should be evaluated and classified on the basis of whether you find them attractive or not sounds pretty patriarchal to me.
EDIT: there's plenty of radical feminists who are trans inclusive, Catherine McKinnon being the most prominent example. Never said there weren't, never will.
I'm a trans man and very much not British but out of compassion for all the vile, horrid, genuinely threatening sea of garbage trans women have to face, and feeling flooded by the rampant also life endangering transphobia happening in my own country, seeing someone stand the ground behind their support means so much. Thank you for all the effort you put into these videos.
Life endangering how?
@@RB-qq4hx The very real fact that transgender people are despised by a shocking amount of the world and countless would willingly commit violence against them? What do you mean "Life endangering how?"?
@@ladyhm.6748 Despised how? I note your hyperbole ("shocking" etc). Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. How are trans lives endangered exactly? Just so you know, suicidal threats and suicidality are not the fault of anyone but the person who threatens suicide. Suicidal threats are also a form of abuse and are a violent threat, which is why people who threaten suicide are taken to psych wards. Factually they can even be considered legal extortion. So, what do you actually mean by "life endangering." Do you mean like when gay people used to get tied to poles and beaten to death in the US? Because that was how gay people were treated pretty recently, but now there is a 76% approval rate for LGBT in my country. So what do you mean exactly?
@@RB-qq4hx I wish I was making an extraordinary claim. However, statistics do not lie; violence, discrimination, prejudice is standard in the life of an LGBTQ member.
LGBT people (16+) are nearly 4 times more likely to experience violent victimization , compared to non-LGBT people.
LGBT people are about 6 times more likely to experience violence by someone who is well known to them and about 2.5 times more likely to undergo it at the hands of a stranger , compared to non-LGBT people.
LBT women are 5 times more likely than non-LBT women to experience violent victimization . The risk of violence for GBT men is more than twice than that of non-GBT men.
About half of all victimizations are not reported to police . LGBT people are as likely as non-LGBT people to report violence to police.
Approval rate means little; consider that a great amount of abuse is suffered at the hands of authorities, within oppressive social structures.
..If you've intellectual (and empathetic) honesty, you ought to read into the daily life of how LGBTQ+ members are treated in 'modern' society.
At this point, your education is your responsibility. Be respectful, be polite, set aside your biases.
@@RB-qq4hx Link to study: (youtube autodeletes links, lol)
What i love about the image of the skull you used throughout the video, is that it looked like you just poked your head out of the ground to tell us this story
well hello there
Need me a skull that will randomly pop out from the ground next to autumn leaves to throughly debunk transphobic articles by the BBC
I'm a cis lesbian and I'm grateful for your coverage of this heinous article.
As a trans woman I can't thank you enough for the support, thanks.
It seems silly, but seing comments like this put me so much at ease, thank you. We stand stronger together. (A trans nb bean). 💕
@@cofeejoe2882 cool to see enbies here as well.
do you wanna change that? 😏
@@loluser124 what the actual fuck???
I love how the article has ‘some Transwomen’. Even they can’t really make it out to be a systematic thing or problem with the Trans Community, they just have to say ‘some transwomen’. As if there’s like, three of them.
Yeah do you have any idea how many trans women there are in the UK? Four, maybe five!
It has the same energy as "some kids wear hats indoors and I don't like it"
As a trans woman, (who of course, speaks for and reflects the entire trans community) thanks!
I’m sorry Britain exists
@ip2p p you commented
@ip2p p that's okay, we care you exist
@ip2p p Go troll somewhere else bro it's sad seeing you try to get attention
@ip2p p you seem to
"I don't like that this is happening in my country." I feel you, man. As an American trans woman, this is my perspective on the whole transphobia in British media situation. When I think of European countries like Britain, I think of them being overall far more progressive than my own country. At least they HAVE a left wing at all. Maybe not perfect, but a huge step up from the US where left wing viewpoints aren't represented at all in the media or the government. And that's why this really upsets me because I already know my own country is completely doomed, and my hope comes from the knowledge that my country is just exceptionally bad, and that most other first world countries at least know better, but when I see shit like this it crushes that hope.
If I may suggest, instead of relying on media which is all just noise and childish nonsense, seek other people's support. It's the local places that matter the most.
Admittedly, I do kind of struggle with the idea of transgender . However, regardless of how you identify, I wish you good health and support as long as you do the same with other people. Take care.
The UK is more progressive, hence why it doesn't capitulate as easily to male entitlement & gives lesbians a voice.
@Knight Chime Lmao
@@FreeTheDonbas what are you Talking about?
Neither the video nor the comment are about males in any shape or form
@@dwagon6706 there is a huge amount of either terfs or people pretending to be terfs in the comments
I've been feeling really disappointed and truly saddened by the huge amount of transphobia coming from the UK media, government and institutions, I can only imagine how trans people feel having these constant attacks against them for just existing.
Yeah, people don't like different lifestyles. It's nothing new. Why paying so much attention to this specific type of discrimination?
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Because it's extremely prevalent in government, media and institutions. It's not a "lifestyle" Whats your problem with me talking about it, do you hate free speech or something?
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Did you watch the video? The BBC pulled a vile move. If that alone isn't enough to merit your slight attention and concern, I don't know what would
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 found the right winger nut
@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555
I'm trans, and it's hard not to notice this stuff when you're literally the target of this stuff. also, being trans is not a lifestyle.
Love that you’re back doing god’s work, king
Love your channel 💕 patiently waiting for you to dunk on another horrible reality tv show lol
We might be in hell. But we're in it together.
We gotta get you a checkmark dude 😂
Lord Algorithmo, Rising Incarnation of the Omnissiah, Hear My Prayer.
Bless This Content With Thy Holy Engagement, and Raise its Creator's Visibility Within Thy Divine, Emergent Oculus.
Love your channel buddy! You are doing Satan's work!
This is the angriest I think I've ever seen Shaun. He almost raised his voice slightly at certain points! Also I'm glad this is followed with a call to *some* kind of action, though I have no idea whether it's really meaningful action, but it's at least worth a shot.
Here is a rare angry Shawn
Angry Shaun is something we should all be terrified about
loads of people have complained, and they all got the same "we believe this article is balanced and fair" bullshit response. if you complain and get that response, _complain again_ . you can complain the response, i believe that eventually it will go up to Ofcom
of course it's important to complain. there's nothing else to do, it's the only way we can get media's attention
@@aud7593 Agreed!
I'm not gonna watch the video to protect my mental health, but from reading the comments and discussion surrounding this video, as a transwoman I want to say thank you: you're doing God's work. Transphobia succeeds when allies stay silent, and this kind of exposing analysis is what we need to fight ignorance.
Biology is transphobic. Homosexuality is transphobic. Reality is transphobic. The only way to not be transphobic is to become a habitual liar & accuse feminists of transphobia.
@@FreeTheDonbas tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video
@@adambartos8463 I'm replying to OP, not Shaun.
@@FreeTheDonbas Well I just wrote a big thing and then accidentally pressed something on my laptop and deleted it... soooooo here's the abridged slapdash version.
Biology and reality supports trans people. However our understanding of trans people on a biological level is so complicated and hard to put into laymen's terms, that the general public doesn't really understand it. The general public also has issues trusting researchers on even basic things which is adds to the issue.
Sexuality isn't about chromosomal sex. No one is getting off to chromosomes. It's more about primary and secondary sex characteristics which vary even in cis people (even ones who aren't intersex). Primary and secondary sex characteristics are also able to be changed to an extent through medical procedures and/or changing ones hormonal sex with HRT.
No it's not transphobic to not be into a trans person and there is valid reasons to not want to date some trans people such as fertility or emotional baggage. However, if you're loudly and proudly proclaiming you'd never date a trans person with no real reason as to why, you're probably transphobic.
I didn't really write this for your sake. I already know you're going to call me a liar because you don't understand, nor do you want to understand. I'm not really interested in debating someone like that. However, if one person reads this, looks into it, and becomes a more informed person from it, then I've done my job.
@@FreeTheDonbas my point still stands
So glad you've covered this, Britain's growing transphobia is extremely scary and increasingly mainstream.
Stay safe, all my trans comrades 💖💖💖
🙌🙌🙌
What's scary about it? If someone's critical about trans identity not reflecting reality it isn't scary.
when you're reconsidering your travel plans to the uk because the top news source over there says you aren't welcome
@@krunkle5136 Trans people exist and if you can't accept that then you're the one who isn't living in reality
Imagine being so triggered by what other people define themselves as that you get mad about it and refuse to just live and let live. Even if you for some reason don’t believe in the science of gender identity you could just move on with your life and afford trans people the same respect you do all random strangers, but no. You’re too mad that other people are doing harmless things you don’t particularly like. Pathetic.
Someone else simply existing is NEVER a violation of your consent or some kind of forced sexual engagement. If you can't separate seeing someone from your personal sexual desires, that's on you. Take your trauma to a therapist.
It's important this ground not be ceded at all costs. No matter what emotions, panics, or fears someone gives you by sight, they aren't violating your consent unless you aren't free to leave/disengage. Otherwise I'm sorry, but deal with it
Case in point: Earlier this year a Russian trans woman was beaten in Tomsk under the pretense the man "feared for his safety" at "the sight of {slur}"
@@Яна-мамба sounds like the US good old 'gay panic defence.
@@Яна-мамба they actually think trans women are witches with evil magic powers huh
@@wellshit9489 i wish i was a witch with evil powers, life would be so much more interesting that way
As upsetting as this video is, I'm so glad you made it. I never could bring myself to trust the BBC.
I would also like to say how grateful I am that you encouraged me and others to file a complaint and ever went the distance by walking us through it and providing a pre-made complaint, it really means a lot.
Perhaps you should instead trust a multinational conglomerate?
Honesty, it still blows my mind how openly and brazenly transphobic UK media is. It's so weird to see the USA actually (somewhat) ahead of the curb on this, considering how regressive we are in so many other aspects.
@Stripes who knew the bbc was the entirety of uk media
@@delize9782 The rest of the UK media is even more conservative, do you think it gets better? Lol
I didn’t watch or read the news anyways cause so much of it is depressing, now I’m also going to not do it to avoid supporting these outlets
This article is providing insane cover for the trans panic defense when dudes freak out and kill trans women for "deception" that's fucking insane
They want us all to die. They'd make it fully legal to murder us if they could
@@pippincovington1348 this is the most exaggerated statement i've seen in all these comments. you really want to talk about how terfs want you to die? i'd be glad to show you picture after picture literally 30+ examples of trans women holding guns and talking about wanting to kick the teeth in of "terfs". that's not violence, but stating biological reality is. get a grip bro
There has been not a single murder of a trans woman in the UK in 3 years. Now who is doing a moral panic?
@@tryingnotto No it isn't. Men, particularly in the United States, use the trans panic defence after murder. Claiming that trans people existing is tantamount to them being an evil rapist, absolutely is cover for the trans panic defence.
@@sharifsalem Still you. A transgender woman was nearly set fire to in her own house just a few months ago. Lily Cade just posted a serial killer manifesto calling for the murder of all trans women and the rape of their families. You are operating a moral panic and its pathetic.
In Finland there was a "science" reporter in the biggest news paper that unapologetically repeated all the stuff about this article.
Wow that’s particularly disgraceful. Clearly that reporter has a lot of science to read.. the biological science studies showing that Trans is a biological phenomenon go back more than 25 years.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see phrenology making a comeback. It's totally a science you guys !!!
I'm sure this video is thorough and informative, but I am not in a position to hear transphobia right now. Will definately watch later when I'm ready for it.
Thank you Shaun for all your good work.
makes two of us. could only watch the first 5 minutes before i decided this was enough for now. love shaun though, will also return later on
Trans rights are human rights, please don't think you're alone, I hope you have a great day
the details of some of this would be very distressing, completely reasonable
If you feel up to it, the final portion of the video starting at 13:01 is just instructions on how to send a complaint to the BBC, with the relevant text to send included in the video description. Stay safe either way, friend.
good on you for choosing what is right for yourself rn. stay safe ❤
as both a trans person and a survivor, i appreciate this video a lot.
My complaint is as follows, because I got Real Mad:
"Have the journalistic standards of this company truly slipped so low as to write a hit piece decrying trans women as "predators", without batting an eye at the irony of having part of it written by Lily Cade, a known, self-admitted predator?
In the slimy, responsibility-shirking redaction of said predator's statement when she suggested genocide against the exact group of people she helped this company commit borderline libel against, I noticed two inexcusable derelictions of basic integrity that make me unlikely to ever consider the BBC a reliable news source again:
1.) Failing to disclose that Lily Cade is, herself, a rapist. Never making this fact clear in the article itself was already scummy. Referring to the crimes she committed as "her past actions", in an article that otherwise takes no issue with using the words "rape" and "sexual assault", is a clear sign that that the BBC cares more about demonising trans women than helping victims or stopping assault.
2.) Failing to disclose that Lily Cade made direct death threats against trans women. Lily Cade did not make "Comments" about the trans community. She claimed she wants to lynch trans women, citing specific innocent people she wants to murder by name. At what point, precisely, did death threats become "comments"? Was it the same point that the BBC decided that it only cared about death threats pointed at cis people?
In conclusion, the BBC has shown that it cares more about accusing all trans women of being predators than it cares for truth, ethics, or basic human decency. The company's actions here will stain its name for generations to come. Maybe you lot can take advice from the Daily Mail on what spot remover works best on supporting genocidal cretins."
Thank you for your service. Please make sure to escalate when you get the copied and pasted response!
BBC was right. For once at least
@@cristianoreddevil9736 They were right in platforming a rapist? They were right in supporting the views in someone who calls for murder of innocents?
They were hypocritical if anything. You cannot platform a rapist while discussing the topic of sexual assault and rape.
@@Ellie-bj2uw Hardly any Lesbians dare to speak out on this. They get dogpiled, thrown out of lesbian orgs, harrassed. There are stories like this all over the net. #metoo just happened. I believe them. I believe the lesbians. Because I'm an actual feminist, not a fake 'ally'.
Wait, _what?_ What. I'm late to the story (not currently in Britain). But she's a rapist herself?? I've got to look this up, this is too important to just pass up.
Infuriating case, thanks for covering it as well as always
Who do we have here?
This town ain't big enough for us.
How do you solve this problem Noah?
Cool channel, bruh.
Really dig your editing style.
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 “It’s high noon”
@@iswitchedsidesforthiscat Sorry mate.
Your answer was incorrect.
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 It was a reference, not an answer. Besides, it isn’t technically wrong is it? Most duels usually take place in high-noon.
yeah the absolute worst thing is that this isn't an article in Spiked or a gutter tabloid. The fact that this is BBC represents how far they have gone off the deep end and how ingrained transphobia still is
I wouldn't say "still". It's on the rise. I don't think 2015 BBC would've dared publish anything like this.
@@Lurdiak yeah, I think its reaching a fever pitch
can you explain to me how homosexuals not wanting to have sex with, and feeling pressured to have sex by the opposite sex is "ingrained transphobia"? can you explain to me how homosexuality ever existed if there was never a need for a distinction besides an individual saying "yeah im a woman now"? like you can't be that stupid
@@tryingnotto Did you not watch the video? Shaun took great pains to address the bigoted claims of the article that you are now rehashing
Terfs are also constantly contradicting themselves, changing their opinions depending on how they’re bullying trans women in that particular moment. For example, if a trans women has full surgery/makeup/pretty clothes to become cis passing, terfs say this is an unhealthy view of women and misogynistic because it suggests women have to be pretty and feminine. But if a trans women decides she’s happy with her natural features and adopts a more natural look then terfs say she’s just a man in a dress and therefore a predator just trying to get into womens spaces. So which is it? Is it wrong to be hyper feminine, or is it wrong to not be feminine enough? Like I wish their hatred was AT LEAST consistent.
I'm late to the party but I love Shaun's videos. Listening to him softly, calmly eviscerate bad rhetoric and actors is like political ASMR.
I do get tingles when I lower the volume.
Shaun's "Hello everyone" is practically ASMR for me.
As a trans nonbinary person that is masc and gay, it honestly feels so great when cis people talk about these situations where we get demonized from spaces that we actually were supposed to feel safe in. MLM, NBLM, and even WLW and NBLW deserve to be in these spaces regardless if they are trans.
Why?
ok so you're a straight girl is what you're saying. wtf is masc? you like to wear pants and a button up? if you were born a female, no matter how you identify you're still female. that is material reality lmfao
Sry for the comments you are getting.
Hope you have a nice day.
@@michimatsch5862 It's fine, i've been used to it lately, transphobes have the same takes and never learn when to shut up. So its kinda boring seeing them doing things over and over again lmao. But thank you!
@@tryingnotto I'm not straight lmao, im gay. Im not a girl, im masculine, im presenting masculine. Lmao youre just transphobic, get over yourself.
And honestly, I might make a separate complaint specifically for the fact that they didn't take the article down the second that manifesto went up. The fact that she published something with multiple clear calls to violence, and they didn't want to immediately run as far away from this person as possible in the public sphere??? Why are you holding hands with someone who is fantasizing about murder on Twitter BBC? YES I WANT A RESPONSE TO THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
It’s my field so I decided to go for the methodological critique: “This article is built on the premise of using the actions of a minority of people within a marginalized group to paint a picture that demonizes them. In order to do so, it cites a survey with numerous methodological flaws. Firstly, the number of people surveyed (n) unnecessarily small (
I came at the article from a different angle, but this is a fucking masterclass in pointing out bad methodology. May I quote you when they respond to my complaint with their boilerplate horseshit about "impartiality"?
Straight men aren't a "marginalised group", lesbians are.
@@FreeTheDonbas Straight white men are. Look at the media and blatant propaganda against them.
BBC's writer wrote what many women feel about transgender "women"! Lets be honest. I aint a woman, but i heard this kind of argument many times before from females. First of all you cannot force biological women to share bathrooms, lockerooms and other facilities because of biological reasons and the reasons of privacy. A lot of trans women may still have penises, and how will that justify their presence in those rooms?! It doesnt mean that they hate transgenders, but that they have natural reaction to something illogical as this! The solution is to create separate bathrooms, lockerooms, etc. for transgenders, and not force them to share with biological women. That is only logical and "non bigoted solution"!
@@cristianoreddevil9736 So let me get this straight: women are biologically hardcoded to have a phobia of penises, to the point that being near them causes them distress.
...Why don't we sex-segregate the ENTIRE society, then?
A while back, the BBC published an article about a deepfake tool that could turn regular clothes photos into nude photos, and they literally included the name of the website in the article. I complained about it and they said "While we understand your concerns, on balance we think the name of the site is an important detail to include in the story, particularly in light of Maria Miller’s intervention and the fact this site uses more sophisticated technology and appears to already be widely used."
They just don't care lol
But don't worry, they're SUPER concerned about sexual predators, it's DEFINITELY not just a weapon to cynically wield against oppressed groups.
@@ulture How are you even tying in deep nudes as weapons against oppressed groups? Unless you're including literally any form of coercion, harassment, or really any kind of assaultive behavior as a "weapon to wield against oppressed groups" I'm not seeing it.
Also, are you implying that women are an oppressed group? If we're going that broad, then literally everyone on earth is part of an oppressed group - not all women are oppressed, and some men are oppressed - there comes a point where the complete and utter lack of distinction in these claims of oppression just work against people who are *actually* oppressed. The reality of women in the U.S. or Canada ≠ women in Saudi Arabia (or a surprising amount of other, equally shady places). Equality as we think of it is a human construct - we strive for it, but by the nature of life its self there are always going to be minor inequalities in society (though the major ones we mostly hear about in NA are straight up debunked myths, like the gender pay gap), but to call NA women "oppressed" does a tremendous disservice to women in countries that, you know, oppress them.
So I hope that's not what you were saying.
@@Nightman9001 the ol jontron IF YOU CAN BUY A BIG MAC, YOU'RE NOT OPPRESSED, i see
@@Nightman9001 read it again
Trans woman here. I'm literally just trying to exist, that's all. why are transphobes so obsessed with us? lmao let us simply just vibe pls it's literally all I want. Also thanks for speaking out on these issues, it really helps make me feel a little less alone in all the ill-directed hate
Hope you get to feel better 💛
- a nb pal
Respect is all that's needed.
@AmateurThespian I mean that's true but you might be misjudging your audience? "don't worry, you don't matter" does not seem to me like the tone to take with someone who expressed the feelings summarized in the comment you're replying to
@AmateurThespian I was talking about tone rather than content, I didn't mean to assert that you outright stated anything in particular. I just feel like if one is already upset, one may have to do an unnecessary amount of legwork to interpret "You're just ammo in the culture war" in a positive or supportive light, rather than casually dismissive.
@AmateurThespian I don't know where your other comment went but I think the disparity here is I assumed the pretense of not understanding to be lamentation in search of compassion (which is fine and appropriate) rather than genuine confusion. I am still not certain your interpretation is accurate, though it certainly could be, a lot of trans people are neurodivergent (because neurodivergent people are more likely to be trans), as am I, so the lack of understanding could absolutely be literal, and in that case I concede that your response no longer seems dismissive. No hard feelings, I hope.
The whole thing makes me regret defending the Beeb against the anti-PC brigade.
I suppose I’m the fool for expecting anything else from the organisation that covered up Jimmy Savile’s abuse.
They fucked up big time for that. They need to realize how important they are as a public service in a sea of privatization.
You do know a BBC journalist went on Twitter after this to suggest it was proof that trans women are like Savile? The current ambitions of the BBC focus only on seeing how low they can go.
@@cobieeliseforshaw8162 Given the history with Saville I wouldn't be surprised if the BBC's hyper focus on making transphobic arguments is really just a ploy to distract from sexual assault going on behind their own doors. You know when someone gets away with that shit for so long there than that shit probably still goes a good bit deeper. I mean we've literally got them using an actual sexual abuser as one of their sources in this article.
@@commanderboo8879 I'm pretty sure the use of Lily Cade was simply that they were arrogant enough to think they'd get away with it because they think everyone agrees with them. It's pure echo chamber behaviour that we in the trans community absolutely cannot indulge in, because we're always very consciously aware of the opposition and threats against our very existence. It's odd, because you'd think the BBC would be a bit more aware that almost everyone has criticisms of them owing to their perpetual both-sidesing of important human rights issues of the day and following moral panics - I've lived through their platforming virtually everything, from the idea that horror movies will turn children insane, through to homophobia in the 80s, to early 90s racism about whether the Music Of Black Origin Awards excluded white people, to lad culture being a breakdown in moral standards, onto Islamophobia pre- and post-9/11 (and the hilariously anti-US Newsnight audience on 9/11 itself, I think), through to demonizing single mothers, not wanting to call out austerity, promoting anti-immigrant hatred, constantly platforming a political party who almost never had a single MP (UKIP, especially Farage) whilst refusing to platform the Greens, who did, because internally they sympathized with Brexit and were climate deniers...
The point being that the BBC tries to follow a niche populism surrounding only the party in power, and almost always ends up on the wrong side of history as a result. I mean, people are flabbergasted right now that higher-ups are pushing institutional transphobia uncritically, but people often forget that they so crushed mention of Savile's abuse that Ian Hislop and Paul Merton were warning people on HIGNFY not to talk about it - even though it got left in. The BBC have always been this bad, and are thoroughly untrustworthy. But that's what it is: the institutional arrogance that they can get away with this stuff, because they're beloved and trusted despite, historically, being a national embarrassment that regularly lies to people - because decades later they finally go, "But look! We did a documentary about how awful we were, using all that depressingly relevant footage we broadcast back when we caused so much harm! We're very sorry now. Now, let Louis Theroux show you we're listening by interviewing all the people whose lives we ruined." (Theroux used intentionally - I cannot believe he didn't know and make a deal with the bigwigs at the BBC to say nothing for his Savile doc, as otherwise he's just a bit crap at his job, isn't he?)
Gotta love how my response from the BBC basically amounted to "The article wasn't lying because we don't consider Chelsea Poe to be high profile". Fucking unbelievable.
Thank you for this Shaun. I'm bisexual transgender woman. Seldom have I been informed on transgender topics by a cisgender person this effectively and powerfully. That's not a slight to cisgender people as much as it is a reality of our experiences and perspectives. That said, I am very impressed and thank you for this work.
Thank you, Shaun. The trans community fights a new battle against hatred every week, it feels like. We get mischaracterized as everything from predatory to helpless, delusional, militant, overly-sensitive... we, like most other human beings, just want to live our lives in peace, and we're sick of having to fight battles with people who refuse to let us do so.
This.
@@elliemckenna50 seriously, I WANT to enjoy Harry Potter. I WANT to laugh at Dave Chapelle. It sucks I can't enjoy these things because people refuse to hear our side of things for even ten seconds.
@@apollofell3925 I hear you. It's exhausting. One of my workmates had a go at me the other week because I'm "Cancelling Dave Chapelle". I hadn't even seen the special at that point.
@@elliemckenna50 lordy. The implication that YOU personally are going to guarantee a man who gets paid $20 million a special can never make another dollar or play another gig - as though his life would be completely destroyed by it. As if it were even possible to actually remove him from the public sphere.
@@apollofell3925 Oh I know. To be honest I had no idea that I wield that level of power. I barely thought about the guy and I cancelled him! I'll need to be more careful with my powers in the future and use them for good. I'm going to spend today thinking about how the BBC is an outdated bias news source and personally owes me £3 million for slander damages and see what happens. I'm gonna be rich!
Along with Shaun's perfectly outlined case of the inaccuracies in the article itself, and the demonstrable harm/discrimination it causes to transwomen, my concern is that the BBC will simply say "mistakes were made", revise or memory-hole the article, and move on to later publish more hate disguised as 'genuine concerns'. As such, I would highly recommend that anybody making a complaint also highlights the clear failures in *editorial process* that the article represents.
The whole disgusting saga (publishing obviously discriminatory content, lying about use of sources, failure to check/corroborate evidence, the laconic response to complaints, the decision to even fucking publish this piece at all) points to systemic journalistic and regulatory misconduct (yes yes who's surprised here). BUT unlike the effectively unregulated newspaper industry, the BBC trembles at suggestions its *processes* aren't wholly proper and effective.
I expect that many commenters here will (with very good reason and multiple historical cases) snort at the idea that the wider BBC editorial processes can be fixed with polite-but-furious complaints. In the spirit of effective, collective calls to action I would simply hope that flagging the clear evidence of systemic failures in basic journalistic process will encourage everyone to keep the issue alive for longer beyond the lifespan of this one article, and (idealistically...) actually prompt a media organisation with supposed public service values to reconsider and reform its on LGBTQ+ reporting .
That’s an excellent point especially as the initial defence of the article was bragging about it passing the rigorous editorial process.
Every single person involved in platforming Cade while knowing her past abuses should be sacked and an investigation launched into how this could have happened and how to prevent it happening again.
Yeah, this very much feels like a "mask off" moment where they try to gauge how acceptable it is to move on from the genuine concerns rhetoric to outright, unapologetic transphobia. If too many people see the bullshit in this article, they can always return to dogwhistles. And I predict they probably will
the only "discrimination" trans women face in this instance are lesbians not wanting to fuck them, and rightfully so, because lesbians are homosexual and trans women are literally males. like you can identify and say you're something all you want, that doesn't change material reality and you cannot force/guilt/manipulate people into having sex with a demographic by trying to say they're bigoted/transphobic/awful people for not
@@tryingnotto wow well done for repeating stuff other terfs are saying verbatim, in which you deflect, minimise, misrepresent the issues, move the goalposts. Are you having fun stewing in this hate? Do you like the “friends” you’ve made in this “community”? Do you enjoy subjecting yourself to the modus operandi of cults, with repeated traumatic exposure followed by group discussion? Do you think it’s not obvious when you repeat something that 200 other comments are saying?
God, I just read a transcript of that Lily Cade rant... genuinely felt sick reading it. And I'm not even trans. It's just - there's nothing left there except for hate, it's incoherent in parts and horrifying from start to finish, and there's no attempt to conceil it.
for anyone else who needed inspiration for writing their own complaint, i filed mine under 'bias', with the following text:
"the article linked refers to coercion, sexual assault, and rape by name specifically when talking about the actions of trans women, and yet the note from november 4th (about the removal of lily cade's contributions to the article) refers only to 'inappropriate behaviour' and 'comments', rather than actually admitting that the 'inappropriate behaviour' was 'a history of sexual assault' and the 'comments' were 'targeted rape and death threats'; given the content of the article, framing those actions so euphemistically makes it seem hard to justify that the article is trying to present an honest view of issues surrounding sexuality and sexual assault, and seems much more as though it's concerned with framing trans women specifically and excusing the actions of anyone else"
I used to date a terf (I didn't know lol) and this article is basically word for word talking points she would throw out at me. Not great to see it in a larger media setting.
A past best friend of mine turned out to be a terf. It was a mix of Rowling's essay, and my coming out to her, that made me just nope right out of that friendship.
@@bellarosethorne I too, can attest to this. As soon as Ms Rowling started her diatribes, she went full on terf, defending her words and even going with the whole 'terf is a homophobic slur' nonsense
I'd known her since I was 18. I was flabbergasted that she would turn to that side so quickly
damn your ex was based as fuck, wish i could date her
Here's my complaint:
"Chelsea Poe was interviewed for this article by Caroline Lowbridge in September of 2020, proven by a tweet she made at the time. The article says, however, that no high-profile trans women who have spoken about the issues raised agreed to speak to the BBC. Furthermore, Chelsea Poe warned the BBC at that time about the many accusations of sexual assault made against Lily Cade but was ignored.
The fact that a woman accused of multiple sexual assaults was featured as a source in this article is disgraceful, as is the vague, unapologetic editorial note left in its place after she made public death threats against trans women. That the feature appeared alongside testimony from rape victims is unforgivable. It is proof to me that the BBC cares more about painting the trans community as predators than women's safety. "
It breaks my heart to see lesbians and trans women being pitted against each other like this. These lesbians are giving us a bad reputation for all being transphobes. They can’t justify their transphobia by associating it with lesbianism. Lesbianism is beautiful and lovely and has nothing to do with transphobia
How much of a lesbian are you if you’re literally attracted to men
@@richardtyson100 are you okay Richard? You seem angry.
🏳️🌈❤🏳️⚧️
@@richardtyson100 you don’t know me or my life ! And you don’t know trans women either.
Lesbian solidarity ☺️
Excellent work as always Shaun. Here's my complaint to them. I figured most people would choose factual inaccuracy so I went with Bias. As a rape survivor, I was very angry, and did not hold back:
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You decided to give a platform to a woman the authors knew was accused of sexual assaults, in a piece targeting trans women to try to paint them as abusers. Your weasel-faced retraction carefully excludes the specifics of what this awful person said and did, and you do not afford trans people the same dignity.
This is a nakedly bigoted piece of propaganda, designed to dehumanize a vulnerable group. Trans people, in reality, are far more likely to be the victims of violent crime than the general population. The BBC apparently wants to create a climate under which that situation will be worsened, by painting them with a broad brush as rapists and sexual deviants.
As a rape survivor, you do not get to use people like me as fodder for an agenda of transphobia, not without hearing from us. Some of us survivors are protective bears against the same misery befalling someone else, and articles like this all but invite violence against vulnerable trans women.
Furthermore, the article outright lies about trans people refusing to speak, since it's come to light that Chelsea Poe was interviewed for it. I guess she didn't have anything to contribute to the obvious agenda here. She probably made trans women appear a little too human.
Stop printing articles that misgender people.
Stop platforming sex pests. Stop issuing non-apologies when you do.
Stop acting as though bigotry against women is fine so long as it's against trans women.
Stop using rape survivors as weapons for your agenda. My story and the stories of people like me are NOT fodder for you to hurt or dehumanize vulnerable people.
lowbridge: *puts a stick in her own spokes* "why would trans women do this to me?"
I’m just sitting here like, “Which bit of transphobia? BBC has plenty to choose from.” Can’t wait to see which bit when I watch the video!
Edit: Wow. The bar for the BBC was already pretty low, but goddamn, they grabbed a shovel.
I love how they added "some" in the title of the article to be like "well, obviously we aren't discriminating against trans women, we said "some", you're the one generalising.", when the context of the article as well as the substance and the "resources" scream loudly about their actual intentions.
Babe wake up!! New Shaun just dropped!!
This trans woman thanks you from the bottom of her heart for using your platform to tackle this propaganda.
I came out 11yrs ago & the increase in hate over the last few years has been very clear. I'm not fortunate to blend yet as I've only recently hit my target of having £20k+ for facial feminisation (some of us hate the words pass/passing so se blend/blending btw).
Just in the last 12 months I spent 6 months with an injured arm from an attack in late 2020, it was just starting to heal when another attack by a group of men made the injury much worse. I also had to have a couple of teeth repaired after a group of men attacked me & one kicked me in the mouth as I was down on the floor.
It's almost always groups of men who get violent, they're cowards who need numbers to feel brave enough to go on the attack, their anger is fuelled by articles like this.
The last few years of increasing hate has now resulted in me being diagnosed with agoraphobia & PTSD. After I have my facial surgery abroad I may have a couple of thousand left over from my surgery fund which will then go into a fund for leaving England.
Depending on how the SNP's upcoming GRA act reform goes I may move to Scotland. I'm also considering certain 'safe' states in America as I have trans friends there who have offered to help me settle. These friends live in areas where they have been out as trans for multiple years & have yet to experience being physically attacked & say verbal abuse is very rare.
just let that sink in for a second, even with America's reputation there are states there that are safer than the entirety of England.
TBH I can recommend Scotland for trans acceptance etc anyway. That reform is nice but stuff is a lot better in other ways regardless.
For instance I never had any trouble having all my NHS stuff say F, woman, etc. NHS England kept having old archive stuff saying M just like how a retired GP of mine kept showing up as the current practitioner long after she’d been replaced.
The most extreme example of people being out and about I suppose is that I’ve walked past multiple different femme couples openly doing PDAs with big luscious conditioned and moisturised glittery braided beards while wearing super elegant dresses, for instance. Which I’d only seen anything like in England in, like, Brighton. (And I’ve walked past many other people who set of my gaydar and transdar in much more subtle ways but I can’t know for sure like with the three different couples I’ve seen who match that description.)
Also even when I occasionally get misgendered I’ve still had some of the people who did it like.. compliment my dress or nail varnish and stuff, so I don’t think it was malicious misgendering but simply an honest mistake? Like, yeah so okay, a few people thought I was maybe just a crossdresser…. but they seemed supportive about that? (Like I’m not talking mocking or sarcastic or backhanded compliments, either.) IDK if that makes sense exactly but yeah.
I’m sure I could think of other examples if I wanted but yk.
I don't know what to say, but I hope you can get out of England quickly and safely.
If your considering US states, Pennsylvania is pretty accepting of trans people, I came out as Gender Fluid a few months ago, and a ton of my friends are trans as well, and most people around here are very understanding of our situation and either try to support us or allow us to exist in piece
Why commend Shaun? He only attacks feminists. Feminists don't attack male dysphircs, they get attacked by them.
@@FreeTheDonbas I'm commending Shaun for standing up to hate.
True feminism is intersectional & inclusive, TERF's are not feminists.
This is why in the UK a majority of women support trans inclusion. It's mostly angry men with fragile ego's & insecurities about their sexuality who lash out at trans people.
Btw, it's spelt dysphoric not dysphirics, if you can't spell the basic terminology then maybe you're not as well educated about this topic as you think you are
When _Shaun_ of all people is audibly angry, you know you done goofed.
hitchens is a woman? gee thats news.
So, I just had a look on the Complaints page, and on the top, there are updates and responses to complaints. There was one yesterday, as it happens, and it reads as follows:
*Summary of complaint*
We’ve received some complaints about our news coverage of trans activism.
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*Our response*
The BBC is committed to ongoing coverage of this subject, hearing a wide range of viewpoints across our output.
Impartiality is a core value of the BBC, something we apply to all our news coverage and we do not take an editorial position on the stories that we cover. Throughout our coverage we seek to reflect the opinions of key figures, include contributions from organisations involved in the debate, and address questions or concerns raised by members of the public.
We appreciate that the BBC plays an important role in informing and facilitating debate about subjects of public interest, some of which are divisive.
If ever anyone doubted the BBC would simply double down on something as pathetic, disgraceful and purposefully shit-stirring as this article, well...they didn't just double down, but *tripled* down. This his the same BBC who sought to cover up child abuse scandals over the years; this shouldn't even be the remotest shock. At this point, the only options here are to simply barrage them with enough complaints so that it forces action, or escalate it somehow to Ofcom or whatever.
You know one thing that reaffirms for me the idea that I'm on the right side of history? When the other side has to "Ship of Theseus" their argument so hard they get "trans women are preying upon 'real women" out of "I saw someone call a trans woman a woman on Facebook and it made me furious".
JKR said male dysphorics pose the same danger to women that any man does. Male dysphorics responded by sending her rape & death threats, thereby proving her point & ending the debate in an own-goal. Turns out they don't have a cross-gender identity at all. Who knew? (everyone). FYI, the "right side of history" is never on the opposite side of feminism. Notice how every Shaun video on trans people, is a thinly veiled anti-feminist piece? No? Sexist must be hard for someone to see when they are part of an anti-woman movement.
@@FreeTheDonbas LOL..Funny how people can find something to dramatize over when no such event has explicitly or "thinly-veiled" occurred. Get of your soap box. If you think all cis women have it worse than trans women, then you're no different to a TERF and just as reprehensible.
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax What? Of course lesbians have it worse than straight guys. "cis-privilege" & "TERF" are just the modern MRA versions of "female privilege" & "FemiNazi".
@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax This person IS a Terf.
@@FreeTheDonbas Yep. And they even use MRA language.
Some more push back against Terfs?
Let's Fucking Goooooo!
Lily Cade having only performed with other female performers is an odd thing to brag about - if she isam THAT gatekeepy about being a “real“ lesbian, wouldn't she take issue with the fact that LOADS of men used her videos for their ... pleasure?
PS:
Cades actions and comments are ... beyond unhinged.
Only performing with other women is not really even that unusual in the industry. Plenty of bi and maybe even straight women have been doing that too
People should just do away with building their identity around the sex they are (or are not) having. It just leads to weird shit
When I was heading to the BBC's website to make a strongly worded complaint I spotted their response, presumably to the amount of complaints being made about this article, so if anyone is curious, here's their "statement":
"The BBC is committed to ongoing coverage of this subject, hearing a wide range of viewpoints across our output.
Impartiality is a core value of the BBC, something we apply to all our news coverage and we do not take an editorial position on the stories that we cover. Throughout our coverage we seek to reflect the opinions of key figures, include contributions from organisations involved in the debate, and address questions or concerns raised by members of the public.
We appreciate that the BBC plays an important role in informing and facilitating debate about subjects of public interest, some of which are divisive."
In my opinion, this addresses literally none of the complaints made about the article and I don't really know what they expect to get from that wishy-washy cowardly statement
I’ll believe the rhetoric of “protecting women and children” when politicians ban priests from public restrooms (who’ve raped 100 fold the number of people) hell we know for a fact who commits the most cases of sexual assault, and that’s the victims family. So why are we not discussing banning parents taking there children to restroom if the goal is protecting children and women. Who are you supposed call if you see a trans person? The police? The police sexually assault FAR more people then trans people so that would ironically only put the supposed “victim” (victim of being around trans people I guess) in more danger then then they would’ve been if they just allowed a trans woman to use the restroom.
You really think moms are the ones doing the raping of their own kids here DM? 98 times out of 100 its a male relative, neighbor or friend. Theres a reason why women fought very hard for single sex spaces, especially mothers with small children.
I can't tell you how important this is. Thank you for standing up. It should also be noted that the effects of the UK's transphobic media campaign are global. This article was reprinted in most major Brazilian media, which I believe has the greatest homicide rate against trans women in the world.
Homicide against trans people is sickening, but criticism of trans is not.
@matt holston that it's a way to avoid the realities of biology.
Gender dysphoria is a result of abuse and legitimatey bad attitudes toward either sex within a given society.
@@krunkle5136 are you trans? Why do you presume to know more about gender dysphoria than trans people?
@@heatherrogue it's very unfortunate we can't see into each other's minds.
I've gone through a dysphoria of gender as a teenager. I acted in what was considered a feminine set of mannerisms to my town's standards. I realized it was based on a dislike of the image that men have as a whole within American society (piggish, seen a superior, esp in my town).
I realized there were better, less toxic societal attitudes regarding either sex in other cultures, so I adopted those and feel better as a man.
Maybe in general people should counter toxic norms put on sexes, instead of creating genders that don't make sense or are connected to reality.
But of course this could be likened to a gay conversation camp testimony, so I'll stop it here.
@@krunkle5136 It sounds like you questioned your gender and decided you were cis, great job man. But that's not at all my experience of dysphoria, nor most trans people. For me, correcting my view of women enabled me to transition, rather than cure the desire to. For me and other trans people, transitioning is the only way to cure dysphoria. If you had a different experience, that's great for you, but you didn't have a universal experience that allows you to speak for others.
i'm a trans man, and i'm fucking furious on behalf of my trans sisters. stay strong
Trying, not feeling safe at all. So tired of the constant hatred.
@@ReinaHW You will always have allies in your corner and we love you, it's LGB with the T
Trans people are fairly in need of so many allies, every attack on trans people is an attack on cis people as well. The attacks on trans people are designed to weaken one of the links in the wider LGBTQIA+ community, by suppressing trans people they'll move onto every cis LGB+ person while chipping away at cis women's rights so to re-enforce the genital based oppressions of before that saw cis women oppressed for centuries.
Trans people are living proof that the definition of a person is not limited to their reproductive organs but to who they are as a person within the body when it comes to gender, self expression, identity, personality and more. By suppressing that it's an attack on the very human right to be free to be yourself and live your life as yourself instead of enforced limitations based around genitals.
You are a woman still
@@cristianoreddevil9736 Maybe you should identify with a less shit football team
Crazy to me how we've made so much progress in the last decade towards homophobia (at least in a lot of the western world) yet many people don't have the same perspective on transphobia. As a young person I'm often alarmed by how casually transphobic otherwise forward-thinking people can be. Just let people use whatever labels they want, they don't actually affect anything anyway.
And here come the strawmen v
"Imagine the average person and then realise that half of them are even dumber!"
Indeed. If it helps I was thinking that about casual homophobia in otherwise progressive spaces back 2009. So this can change relatively quickly. I didn’t even expect gay acceptance to reach this point until 2030-40, tbh. Of course trans stuff could end up taking longer…
We recently managed to convert one of my transphobic friends into an allay so there’s that
The trans movement is deeply homophobic. It keeps transing gay children & historical figures & groups. The trans movement is a form of present day homophobia. Also, the ideology is sexist by trying to erase single-sex terms & spaces - these issues need to be addressed before you can claim that trans identity doesn't affect anything.