I watched this video about 2 years ago, called you a soyboy of course, then forgotten about it. Now, after all this time, I say you were right and I was wrong. I sincerely think you and hbomb saved me from the spiral of hatred I was in. Thank you from the bottom of my heart
As one of those evil SJW SOCIALIST COMMIE SCUM, I'd really appreciate knowing what thought processes led you to reconsider your positions. ...Things I've been seeing online lately genuinely makes me wonder if I'm going to be gunned down. Which...The fiance and I just broke up and I guess I don't care much if I get gunned down now. But, you know, there are other well meaning leftists who don't deserve to wind up in mass graves.
I kinda get where this aversion to sexually active people (specially to women) is so prevalent among internet gamers. There is this weird mentality among the gamer community that implies that they’re not ‘normal’ (just look at all the “tfw no gf” self deprecating memes on reddit or 4chan, or how they joke about their ‘autism’). It convinced them that, unless you’re a ‘normie’, a wholesome and fulfilling social life is forever out of reach. No wonder they’re jealous of them, for having something that they believe will never have and that would make them finally happy.
Gao Li the left side of the political spectrum. Your welcome. Lol, I try not to label political ideologies beyond left and right or far left and far right, but I think feminism is pretty self explanatory. Shit like “Marxist”, or “globalist” and the like tend to generalize people and misinterprets people’s actual beliefs by lumping them in with said ideologies based on what may be agreements with single issues, and they’re often used incorrectly, or so I’m told, so I don’t know much about what a post modern globalist whatever is, or a neo con, an con, or any of that. But my comment is applicable to any group or ideology really. They all offer validation, community, and “family”. Feminism in particular endorses the same feeling of victimhood and oppression that Shaun talks about the gamers wanting because they feel left out. A woman or minority who has not experienced much if any negative experiences are just as vulnerable to wanting to feel important, a part of the movement, or like the underdog. The left tends to come with the idea that they’re better, more moral people than those on the right, even though they usually affect just as little/much positive change. Now white nationalists are allegedly amassing and trying to take over, and that’s a hell of an excuse to feel like a hero by “fighting back”. People can even justify pre emptive violence against conservatives as defence because conservatives are tacitly support... the beliefs are treated like a moral license to do whatever they want. Dehumanization. Same mechanisms, different “beliefs”.
“And thus in his considered view \ what’s not allowed could not be true” from Christian Morgenstern’s „Die unmögliche Tatsache“: „Weil, so schließt er messerscharf \ nicht sein kann, was nicht sein darf.“ It’s a poem about a guy who’s run over by a car. He gets up and refuses to die because obviously that would be illegal so it didn’t happen.
@False Feathers There are 3 ways to understand your response to "Its illegal to commit crimes, therefore there is actually no crime" A) English is not your first language. B) Are just trolling. C) Too young/naive to understand that words have contextual meaning. In other words the original statement is mocking the usual arguments used by racist.
@@occhamsrazor a) There were no English language mistakes. b) They didn't say anything outrageously provocative, as trolls do. c) Their age is irrelevant and you're clutching at straws by trying to make a straw man argument.
What were your views before you changed your mind? You were the way he describes these gamers in the video? Racist and other stuff? What made you change your mind?
@Young Rager Yeah I'd also love to know what made you come around... was it just from watching youtube vids that went against your beliefs at the time and realizing something? I grew up with the early internet before youtube existed but we still had sites like 4chan, somethingawful and ytmnd where a lot of early memes were born. The humor was always edgy even back then but I've watched it slowly become less about shock humor and more actual literal hate. 4chan wasn't always the cesspool that it is today... I mean it was always a cesspool but in a better way back then lol. It's just sad to see that propaganda succesfully flipped so many young gamers views to thinking the left are coming to get them. Another difference when I was young is it was always the conservative evangelical types trying to censor or cancel our video games, tv show and movies. They still do it too but have somehow flipped the script and got so many young people to buy into their lies.
@@plucafo I was a bit too old for that alt right stuff but around 2009 I became extremely radicalized and surrounded myself with far right nationalists and fascist organisations (thats in eastern Europe, Poland to be specific). This lasted for years up until 2016-2017. Reason why I switched was moving to the UK. Meeting people of different races, nationalities, gay, lesbian, trans... realised it's all the same shit, noone is special or better. Especially meeting with English nationalists made me realise they repeat the same rhetorics I used to believe in even though we're from different countries - made me realise there ain't nothing special about my country or theirs too. Another thing was reading about my country's history from outside, foreign sources. In Poland we're made to believe we did nothing wrong ever and always have been oppressed, and although we did get violated by other nations, we did the same to those weaker from us. This made me really realise I was living in a fantasy world... It's hard to accept the perception you had, of your own history, was heavily falsified, it's like realising your parents ain't who they claim to be.
@@gansmith I, no shit, thought this exact same thing. Not all the racist shit but all his points about it. I would look at all of these dudes and go "christ, they wanna be oppressed so fucking bad! How tf are they culturally appropriating fucking oppression?!" Lmao. I'm glad this seemed to plant the seeds in your brain and that he was right about everything. His points are very spot on and I appreciate his methodology
@@dankmemer1305 That dosen't mean anything. Stock market only tells you how the rich are doing. Lowest unemployment dosent matter much when it's mostly low-paying jobs. Gdp going up dosen't nesscarily mean people in the country are doing better.
@@dankmemer1305 good economy doesn't mean much when you don't reap the benefits of it my dude he has some good policies, i won't disagree there, but frankly most of his policies are in my opinion not effective either fiscally or socially
"there's no wage gap because it's illegal to pay less based on gender and race" but also, "since when do criminals follow rules, banning guns won't solve anything."
There is a difference between a business not upholding legitimate practices and citizens owning firearms by constitutional right or otherwise; its much easier to report the business for illegal practices than to police individual people's ownership of a firearm.
Banning guns would be ridiculous. Even in most of Europe, we have access to weapons. But the thing is that we regulate it more strictly than America. I think that more strict rules about gun ownership should solve most problems. Because then it would be mandatory to know gun safety to avoid any accidents
@@balazscsotai8354 The problem in the US has to do with the fact that since guns are so deeply ingrained in the culture and trafficked illegally through Mexico and the Caribbean, making the black market for guns healthy. Since the culture is so ingrained that its unlikely some evil scumbag to choose something other than a gun for mass murder in the US. That said even at that (correction:rifles) aren't even the most used for violent crime in the US and the largest media outlets sensationalize everything and just blatently lies to the public about numbers and policies
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." ~ Lyndon B. Johnson
Same shit has been happening for a long time, google "southern strategy". the economics of the Appalachian region of the u.s. "Lyndon B. Johnson declared a "War on Poverty" while standing on the front porch of an Inez, Kentucky home whose residents had been suffering from a long ignored problem.[87] The Appalachian Regional Development Act of 1965 stated." very large 'poor white vote' you see mentioned today.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's unfairly privileged over the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him something to feel guilty about, and he'll empty his pockets for you." ~ Saddam Hussein
Rational Disconnect But what's wrong with white identity? I'm not talking about racism or hatred because I hate that as much as you do. Why is it that a black person can be proud of being black, an Asian person can be proud of being Asian, a Mexican person can be proud of being Mexican but a white guy can't be proud of being white without being a racist? Yes it's a cliché by now but no one has given a good answer to that question as of yet. And while you're at it why is it predominately white countries that are burdened with the task of sheltering the world's poor and needy? Countries in Africa such as Uganda and in East Asia such as China and Japan have been openly hostile to large scale foreign immigration and no one has given them shit for it. Sadly it is the white nationalists of all people that are asking this very fair and logical question. White history does not predominately consist of racism and colonialism you know. Someone who is proud of being white could be celebrating their Germanic or Nordic heritage as well as the civilizations of ancient Greece and Rome; neither of which were antagonistic towards black people. I am Armenian and thankfully my country does not belong to the EU. Even though we are Caucasian technically we are not European and so we are not under this same demand for white altruism. I recognize my dark skin privilege to protect and preserve my culture.
And I say this as someone whose favorite film makers are Yasujiro Ozu, Ingmar Bergman, Michalangelo Antonioni, Andre Tarkovsky, Nuri Bilge Ceylan and Apichatpong Weerasethakul.
The thing is, there _is_ an International Men's Day - but it's about men's and boy's physical and mental health, raising positive role models, gender equality, … y'know, all kinds of "sjw bullshit".
That doesn’t sound like “SJW bullshit”, it sounds legitimate. What makes you think MAGA people would say that? They dislike what they perceive as the “femininization” of boys, e.g. the case where a schoolboy got in trouble because he drew a ninja decapitating someone. Cheers, an open-minded person from the right wing.
i used to be the generic straight white gamer dude but you know what really made me change? just talking with people outside the internet. Like, people who work with me, that go to the same gym as me, etc. who could imagine, women and minorities don't want to kill and destroy everything. turns out they are people just like me, sometimes with the same fears, problems and goals. crazy, just crazy. great video, btw
I went down the same route and I’m so thankful for it everyday. It was mostly going to University, and not because I was being “indoctrinated by marxists” but because I was just exposed to people that weren’t like me politically, religiously, racially, ethnically. It really opened my perspective on the world and I can’t believe how hateful and dismissive I’d be if I didn’t have people in my life that led me to being more compassionate of other people’s perspectives.
@@Apelles42069 it is the same manipulation technique at least the left one is more inclusive but still pretty shitty. I like his videos he makes great points but often is blind to his own side of politics doing literally the same Change Blacks with rich people and you will hear a communist speech instead of a far right one.
@@LironBerisha Here's the key difference though, Black people don't have a history of and currently have institutional power. Rich people, on the other hand, have had and will continue to have power over the government to suit their needs. Also nazis are the ones who appropriated socialist rhetoric despite being far right and not having socialist policies (except stausser and his cabal who actually had socialist economic policies, but we all know what happened to them), so blame them for making our rhetoric sound similar.
I used to be one of these frog men that was spiraling into a world of hatred, racist beliefs, and extreme views. I was in such a bad point in my life, a time of great loneliness and depression, and that came out in the form of vitriol to the world, as if it victimized me. I’m glad I found you and your videos because it was a big contributor to getting out of it, and I’m working towards bettering myself and learning to love others. Thank you so much Shaun.
"I want to re-educate you. You gave it a go by yourself, but you fucked up, and now your brain is wrong and needs to be re-programmed." I love you, Shaun.
wait, what? are you saying you love this quote so that you can take it out of context to tell people what an idiot Shaun is? or do you just not know that one common excuse they use to call SJWs scary is that *enigmatic they* are trying to "re-educate" their children, turning their good manly boys into trans lesbians? I'm so confused here, can either of you tell me whether you even agree with Shaun?
@@willhendrix3140what? You think re educating people about things they got wrong when they first taught them is bad? And I can’t see a single reason being trans is bad for people who want to do it.
@@chervoviytuz 10/10 comment, love the confusion about the confusion. For clarity: I never said that being trans is bad, I said that there are some people (whom I fundamentally disagree with) that say being trans, or being different than a cis straight white male in any way, is bad. For context: we're talking about 26:56, where he makes some interesting word choices to be talked about in the meat of this comment Talkin' 'bout *words*: In some groups, "re-educate" is a very scary thing to have happen to you, as it is a euphemism for labor/death camps. Shaun is very aware of this, that is why he makes a point about this. He even shows an edited picture that was likely shared around in some groups to say, "look how scary the left is." His point here is that he is taking the word literally rather than how those groups tell you it's meant to be used in their propaganda. My question: what I was trying to ask, was if these people were in those groups, saying "Ha, look at this leftist, he even admits that they are trying to reeducate us, what a fool, let me warn my friends: the left really do want to reeducate us" or if they were just taking the comment at face value, as an exclamation that humans should be given basic human rights & that we should teach *the right* that other people are people too, without realizing the context behind it. TL;DR: "No"
My friends will often tease me about my "villain phase". They're referring to a stage between the age of 13 and 18 where I was one of these frog men. During these years I had a deep rooted hate towards the world because it was unfair, I was deeply insecure about being white and (at the time ;) ) male, and felt that if the "commie rainbow hair lefties" took control of the world I would be punished and hated simply by proxy of being white. it didnt seem fair, and i hated it. I saw this video when it came out, randomly recommended to me, and I watched it and thought of you as a guy who thought he knew everything and ascribed various traits to me without even knowing who i was ill put it bluntly: you were right. these days ive sinced stepped out of alt-right phase and my outlook on life has genuinely improved. my friends like me a whole lot more and people who hated me back then have become some of my best friends after reconnection. videos like this one, hbomb, big joel, and many others, helped to see that the issue that made me so hateful actually sat within myself and not with the people simply advocating for a fair life themselves. i also discovered i was trans, which is funny bc if 15 year old me learned this they wouldve killed themselves probably. thank you, shaun for this video.
GamerGate was so confusing to me when it happened. I saw people were talking about ethics in games journalism, and I was like, "finally! Some conversations about the inherent conflict of interest in journalists accepting advertising money for advertising the very games they're supposed to criticize and review". I was surprised and befuddled when I looked into it more and Call of Duty wasn't actually the subject of the conversation.
Truthfully it is a shame that "ethics in games journalism" is now a joke instead of the real thing it should have been. I'd love an ethics in gaming revolution, even. Gamers needs to gat challenged more.
@@sleepingdogpro People like Shaun are the ones that made it looks like a Joke. Lying of how it was all about straight young white male and completely ignoring the #NotYourShield movement that obviously proves them wrong. They don't even mention how multiple gaming websites released articles attacking gamers at the same time. And finally, they always try to give importance to the Zoe Quinn controversy... even though that was really irrelevant in GamerGate circles...
@Arachnofiend Same tbh. I was all about that critquing games stuff, but it turns out it was quite bullshit in the end. Because there is real critisism about games, game companies and game journalists. But now if you just get sucked into the GamerGate bs
I know how that was. I'm a writer and used to be part of gaming journalism (but for a obscure site that no longer exists so whatever). To me, that was an issue that could've and should've been talked about, just like how in regular media, sometimes reporters and editors are a bit too comfortable with advertisers and those they should be holding accountable. But then I saw it almost immediately co-opted into this cesspool of hatred that had nothing to do with ethics at all.
That whole "I used to be one" bit is hard to admit. I would know. I used to be one too. I think it happened when I was on reddit clicking the random sub button and I stumbled upon TumblrInAction. I was on there for a while. God, I'm so glad I got out.
I was too, for around two months. It was when I first found out that RUclips actually doesn't only have music uploaded. I watched some Russian right-winger speaking German on his RUclips channel and, naive 13yo me believed that someone probably controlled RUclips and made sure only true facts where being uploaded. However, 2-3 months later the guy actually said the complete opposite of what he said before (One Time he said Putin is actually left, yes he argued for that, and one time he said that Putin is right and that is good and everyone should be like Putin)! After that I checked what exactly RUclips let on the website and found out that there are very few regulations.... Since then I don't really trust anything I hear on the internet before I check the sources myself
@HacksAndSlash It changed. It used to be mocking people who thought things like "it's sexist to be gay because how dare you discriminate against women" and "men deserve to die for the crime of all being universally sexist". Then it slowly changed into mocking people who thought "trans people deserve rights" and "let's maybe not hate gay people for existing".
I was there too, in a sense. Never white nationalist, I think I'm just lucky that my parents are left wing and provided a solid basis of an upbringing for me that prevented me from falling into certain traps. A lot of us got out. I feel like... there's more we could do, to enable that.
Obviously there are people like that. Movie nerds who attend festivals and can name 30 directors and their works, guys in book clubs etc. Just because you do some hobby doesn't need to be a part of your identity but it can be.
I can't believe how true the first argument was. I used to be one of those people in my preteen years, except I'm a girl and I didn't believe gender inequality exists within my league. Plus I saw a lot of 'condescending black people' on the internet and I really thought the whites were the victims. Of course, that view of mine changed after I discovered the context behind it, and as I grew older, I realize how transparent sexism and racism is especially against minorities.
I found this channel today, and Three Arrows yesterday, and I'm experiencing this... weird... relief. The sensation keeps coming in little waves, like I can hardly believe it. I keep scrolling down the comments, and I'm not even kidding: I am ALMOST getting a bit choked up! Not actually, mind you, I'm not some sniveling wuss :v but almost choked up guys... :'I
It was like that for me aswell. The last years felt to me like the world around me was taking crazy pills. Right-wing partys are so vocal in almost every western country. Trump, Brexit, Climate change deniers everywhere and suddenly I come across this part of RUclips. The relief about the fact that there are still sane people around was the best feeling I had in a long time.
Keep in mind, these people don’t really care about you. To them you are simply a pawn. Those who would tell you to be ashamed of your identity, that you all the problem with the world. Look at the world around you, and think to yourself, if not for the white man, would any of this exist?
Count Ravid ...no? That’s never been a thing. I’ve been alive for several elections at this point, and through not a one of them has this been true. And looking back through history, that is the thing that really remains true.
God, this hurts so much to watch, I got suckered into all of this since I was around 13, and took way too long to notice how badly I was messing up. Thankfully the worst things I've done was sharing a few tweets and maybe pushing one or two friends to the right, but I luckily never stooped to the level of watching steven crowder or blackpidgeonspeaks, I thought they were idiots even back then lol
Good job, you say you were 13, that means you're pretty young still, don't fall for any youtube con artists and try to help those who matter to you who get sucked into this kind of criptonazi stuff.
i always hope this is the future of all of those sad boys i knew in middle school who would denigrate the mere concept of Hillary Clinton as a politician, not for any real reasons (of which i have many) but because... she has a vagina. and it always seemed to me that they must have learned the evil, sexist shit they said from drives with dad, meals with an embittered family whose members were looking for something to focus their hate on. i truly hope they escaped and found out that there's a life beyond screens and "political" conversations that turn into conspiracy and hate
my dad is a 65 year old man who still listens to Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson and people like that, I guess some people just never grow out of it do they?
Its surprising how young they get ya. I was watching PJW, Sargon and a some Gavin McInnes at like 14 years old which all started by watching atheist videos at 12.
Im 20 years old now, and enjoying this video in 2019. I was a rather mild version of these teenagers who fell into this "feminism sucks" sort of movement and was especially into it at the time as I was an alevel sociology student. Its amazing how time allows you to mature, and I wish I had found content like yours sooner. Keep doing what you are doing.
Games have *never* been exclusively for "young, white, male nerds." That was an illusion created from Nintendo's decision to put their products in the toys section instead of in the electronics section. And as toys are/were segregated in the US into "boys" and "girls" that meant they had to choose who to market to in the US media, and they choose boys. I grew up in the 90s. Despite the fact that video games were solely marketed towards boys, pretty much every girl I knew had played video games and liked them. There were also plenty of "girl" games that were released back then as well - further highlighting just how ridiculous the stereotypes are.
@@punctuationman334 Watch the ads from the 90s up through today. Let me know how many boys of color you see in them. Ofc regardless of the marketing, white families were the ones in the 90s up through early 2000s that had the disposable income (on *average* ofc) to afford a video game system.
@@bobhoskins1790 Let me know how many Japanese actors appeared in Nintendo ads created for and aired in the US in the 1980s and 1990s. If you look at the marketing, you can see what demographics they were marketing towards simply by the actors in the ads.
My original comment stated that video games have always been played by ppl that are not white boys, but that became the perception because of how videogames were marketed. And then I've had a flood of ppl claiming that wasn't true because... "Non-white ppl play videogames too!" Yeah, that's what I said in the first place. I said the *perception* that videogames are for white boys was created by the marketing. By all the gods in all the heavens and hells, ppl need to learn how to read!
@@punctuationman334 *NOW* they are. That wasn't the image that marketing gave us in the 1980s-early 2000s - which is where the misconception that "video games are for white boys" came from.
I used to constantly watch prageru and videos of Ben Shapiro destroying sjw college students. Since then, I've stopped both of those, and what you said in the video described my feelings at the time. You're possibly one of the best left-wing RUclipsrs I have seen thus far.
and then you've started watching these videos instead, which aren't much different. Ben Shapiro wants to actually get to the base of solutions, he has a history of really good followup questions, even if you don't agree with him. Also, ben shapiro isn't even alt-right, he criticizes them
As a bisexual woman, GamerGate is what got me into the anti-SJW world after leaning heavily into the more radical social justice side. I wasn’t even a gamer at the time, I just wanted to be the “logical, enlightened” one, one of the “good ones.” Over time I realized the majority of it was bullshit and got out, which I’m grateful for.
@@timmythetechpriest5177 to quote Lorde: "Your emotional baggage can be picked up at carousel number 2 Please be careful so that it doesn't fall onto someone you love"
I didn't want to be able to call myself oppressed, I just wanted normal videogames detached from politcal agendas. So no, not really. Kind of a straw man and a half if you asked me.
Roosevelt video games have never been free from political agenda. a shitton of them are about overthrowing violent regimes which are strongly reminiscent of nazis, which could honestly not be more political if you tried. if the existence of women or people of color is more political or controversial than that to you then idk what to tell you. check out more shaun, philosophy tube, kat blaque and contrapoints i guess?
@@carrier2823 Lol, video games have never ever not been political, and it's not possible for them to be. You're mistaking things that are about you and your in-group as being non political. But they are - but in a way that's complimentary to you. Now imagine that you're someone else. Now they're political. See how that works?
Yeah holy shit that hit me. Something just clicked and I felt like I understood something that I wanted to put into words for ages. This video has been amazing tbh, thank you Shaun!
Maxwell Zephyr Frankenstein would support , even though he’s a scientist . Frankenstein’s monster isn’t that bad , while Frankenstein is a last stage capitalist . Same for vader.
Could one not argue that Frankenstein's Monster, being brought to life by Frankenstein, can be considered his child, and therefor inherit the name? At least he didn't say _doctor_ Frankenstein. Victor never finished his studies.
I am only sorry I found your site so late. My son is exactly in the disenfranchised group you talked about and I was shocked to find out he felt this way. As a Genx mom I wasn’t prepared for the power of social media and although I knew about it and engaged in it, I had no idea the influence it would have. Thanks for all you do and please keep it up.
Good luck! There's some good material out there in order to help those youngsters, I'm very encouraged by the experiences of the people who left the Westboro Baptist Church, which seemed something impossible to me.
It took me awhile but I'm finally out of the alt right echo chamber and now I'm just cringing at the anti-SJW stuff I used to say to my friends and teachers 😂
I didn’t get that deep into it but I was also in those anti-feminist communities in RUclips. These people chose the most extreme and highly emotional reactions they could scum from the Internet and made it seem like everyone on the left was that irrational and crazy and “tRiGgErEd”. It was such a warped view of the world and I’m still amazed that my brain was able to disassociate all that crap I was watching in 2016.
@@sillybilly4710 Same, EXACTLY! As a kid I used to look up "triggered feminist/SJW" compilations & it just makes me feel embarrassed now that I'm a feminist lmao. I think younger me would've hated current me (as a leftist, feminist genderqueer lesbian lol), at least for a little bit
@@caseyv.6679 I absolutely hate my past self. I’m by no means perfect but I have grown so tremendously and many around me haven’t as much unfortunately. But I’m glad everyday I’m not a force of pain to others the way I likely was before.
@@sillybilly4710 dude I used to the same things and thought the left was soo sensitive and were horrible, only being influenced by emotions. As I grew older I started deleting more of my old msgs, taking back things I said, and apologizing to others. So happy I learned how to look at more than one side of the argument
“She had sex, which is usually a frightening concept in and of itself for self-described gamers” I imagine a bunch of 9 year old kids gasping after hearing the word “boob” on television.
The societal views you describe, racism in the past and meritocracy and whatnot, are all very much in line with my Florida US public school education. We were taught the timeline of the civil rights movement, riots and all, but racism was presented as a solved issue at the far end. I expect it's difficult for a teacher to present racism any other way to a mixed race class.
That's interesting. At my public school, the first time I can remember ever really considering this issue was after a teacher specifically scoffed at the idea racism was "solved." Ironically a generally very conservative teacher who would go on at length about how great George Washington is. But my school was one of the best in the state because the local real estate was expensive and taxes were high.
Dunderpunch at my louisiana high school, on the very first day in my world history, the teacher asked, “we’re at a war with islam right?” and i shook my head no while i heard a dude say, “yes, sir” to which the teacher said, “no, we aren’t, we’re at war with terrorists who happen to be islamic.” i think if more history teachers asked questions like that when covering a certain subject, like a us history teacher talking about the civil rights movement asking the class, “so racism is over right? wrong.” and then going into a discussion, i think we’d all be better for the conversation that came with it. of course there’s always gonna be the difficulty with fitting that into the curriculum, but i’m not a teacher so i dont know much about all that
if i watched this four years ago, this comment would have looked alot different. white nationalism, 'anti-sjw', mens rights, and the right in general is a slippery slope that i have fallen into in the past. i am forever thankful i am within communities that denounce these thought processes, because as a young teen i fell into this. HARD. people on the right are MASTERS of manipulation. when you are 14, lower middle class, and white; these alt right pipelines are so easy to fall into. i have personally had relationships fall apart because i was hateful. stay safe
Hey, here's one person saying good on you! I'm glad you ultimately escaped the manipulation, because it's pretty awful. Every story like yours shared, though, is one step closer! Thank you for helping the good fight. :) (Sorry for the awkward comment lol, but your openness deserves at least one reply.)
Well done Shaun! I manage a bar in Florida and I often find myself talking with a racist. I use humor as much as possible to illuminate other ideas like your economic suggestion. I'ts amazing how much agreement I can muster from these people. I point out raw corruption and stay away from buzz words like capitalism and socialism. Seeds get planted and one can only hope for minds to evolve. Thank you for the video. Am I a gamer if I played pong a few times? JK
I used to watch a lot of these kind of people almost religiously. Thankfully even at my lowest point I considered Sargon and the great replacement to be too extreme for me, and my political ideology never got too far down the pipeline but thankfully knowing better and contra points helped me realize the lies that I had been told for so long
Maximilien Robespierre that is a bit of an oversimplification and I’d argue misinterpretation of the video but even so he has made a video addressing his old content and even more specifically that video
As a straight white cismale upper middle class...uh, person (didn't think that description through), I have somehow not been convinced by the rhetoric of the..."alt-right"? Not sure what else to call it. And the thing is, I'm not entirely sure why that is. I feel like I was a perfect candidate. I was absolutely perfectly prone to join this movement, because I feel a lot of the same insecurities that they feel. The feeling of being left out. The feeling of not having something to fight for. The feeling that I may be the bad guy. The frustration of living in a society that, for generations, has generally put me on the top of all other groups of people, and the feeling that, despite all of this, I'm still floundering. And so it feels like I'm stuck with a binary choice: either I'm somehow being oppressed, or I just...suck. As a person. That I have to change, because I'm not good enough. It's not NECESSARILY that simple, and there may be other possible solutions, but it's hard to see them. So that's all we see. People hate to admit that there's something wrong with them, that they need to change, that they're not good enough as people, and that they're potentially putting others at risk, intentionally or otherwise. Many, if not most, people need a reason to believe that they're alright, that there's nothing wrong with them, and that they aren't being privileged above others. And then these movements come into the picture. Things like GamerGate and Trump. Movements telling them that the reason they feel this way is because they really are being oppressed. Because they really are being mistreated. And that they deserve more than this. That they deserve much more, much better than this. Because they're being taken advantage of, lied to. They think: "Feminism? That's not a movement for womens' rights, that's clearly just a bunch of "whiny bitches" complaining about things that don't matter (Note: I do not approve of calling women "bitches", but that's part of the thought process for many people like myself, and many of them feel that the events leading up to GamerGate somehow justifies it, which it obviously doesn't). They're liars, we need ethics in game's journalism!" And it goes on from there. They think: "Black Lives Matter? That's not a movement for the rights of People of Color, that's just a bunch of "whiny bitches" complaining about being "brought to justice" by police! After all, it's not just Black people whose lives matter, it's all lives, right? Don't they all matter? So why are they being excluded? Why are White people not being represented? This is oppression! Reverse Racism!" These movements make them feel validated. They've felt like their fears and insecurities have been justified, that these are things society has to address, because they're definitely wrong. They feel justified in asking why the LGBT community gets to have a pride day when straight people don't. In asking why there's a woman's day but no men's day. And so on. The frustrating thing is, there are times when they stumble ass-backwards into making good points! There actually are violations of games journalism out there, with publishers manipulating or straight up bribing reviewers and journalists into liking their game more or just saying that they do! There actually ARE issues affecting men disproportionately that should be addressed, like being expected to always stay strong and never feel emotions, or being expected to always be up for sex, or rarely being trusted with the kids in a divorce, which can harm the kids in cases where the dad would have taken better care of them than the mom. There actually ARE issues with, say, affirmative action, like it often being too little, too late, and that this should start much earlier in the lifetimes of those who are supposed to be benefited. That more resources should be spent on improving the quality of education going towards these groups, so that they can get into the colleges and other places without the use of affirmative action. That sometimes someone getting into somewhere with affirmative action can struggle there for the reasons previously mentioned. There actually ARE issues that can lead various groups to commit more crimes, although most of those issues have to do with years and years of oppression, poverty, etc., and not necessarily a problem with their race. There actually ARE people who probably shouldn't be coming to our country/countries, although generally speaking the groups they're identifying as such aren't the people we should actually worry about. And there actually ARE issues with some nations being underdeveloped (or as Trump would put it, being "sh*tholes"), although much of that can be explained by colonialism, intentional destabilization of their governments by foreign powers (like the USA and the Soviet Union during the Cold War), a lack of resources thanks to the reasons above, lots of poverty also thanks to the reasons above, etc. And sometimes it really does just suck to be at the top. Standing on the peak of a mountain can make you feel very lonely, very isolated, very excluded, because everyone else is down there, interacting with other people that can relate to their struggles. And you don't feel like you can interact with them, because you feel like your life experience is so alien to theirs that you wouldn't be able to connect and relate to one another. You feel like you're trapped in a gilded prison. You get lots of nice things, but it just doesn't make you feel any better. Sometimes you feel worse, because you're getting things you feel like you don't deserve, things that everyone should have, things that nobody should have, and so on. And sometimes it feels like nobody trusts you to do the right thing or be a good person because they've had so many experiences of people like you fucking them over. Because you being there reminds them of all the problems that have plagued them their entire life, and you'll feel like a burden just by existing. And all of this can feel like oppression, whether it is or not. And these movements tell you that yeah, you're being oppressed, that you should fight back and re-earn your freedom. And you know what? Maybe there's a point there, all things considered. But this sure as FUCK isn't the way to go about fixing it. This movement isn't going to help you. They don't care about you. They're just using you to advance their racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, rich-get-richer, anti-intellectual, etc. agenda. If anything, this movement is part of what is keeping you down. It's making the guided prison feel more suffocating. It's making you feel more isolated, more out of touch with others. It makes you feel even more uncomfortable when someone brings up civil rights or social justice. It makes you feel more attacked when people suggest that capitalism needs to be modified or replaced. And so on. And...tbh, I've kind of answered my own question. I couldn't be convinced because, as shitty as I feel now, I couldn't see how this movement would me make me feel less shitty. The world comes off as an unbearable cesspool not just because of how it screws me over, but how it screws over everyone else too. Helping everyone, not just myself, would make the world a more comfortable place for me to live in. Advancing on issues regarding gender and racial inequality will make me feel less awkward interacting with women and nonwhites. Evening the playing field will free me from the gilded cage that gives me nice things at the expense of making me feeling isolated and excluded from society. I've also met tons of people who have different experiences from mine as a result of being part of other "groups", and some of them have become my closest friends. I saw what the lives of others are like, and so I feel more invested in these issues as a result of wanting my friends to be happy, even when it doesn't directly benefit me. And I think that's what's really going on here. These men are trapped in a gilded cage. And that's why they feel so jealous of Black Pride, so jealous of Gay Pride, so jealous of other gatherings and communities. Because while these men get to have nice things, it comes at the cost of not being able to relate to other people. And as social creatures, that is really, REALLY bad for them. The very things that privilege them over others are doing more harm than good to their psyches. But because they're not entirely aware of what's happening to them or why, they've been convinced that someone like Donald Trump will free them from it. But he can't. Even if Donald Trump did what he promised, it wouldn't actually make them feel better. And I think the best way to change their minds is showing them this. Showing them the damage that these moments are doing not just to others, but themselves as well. Because they may feel like these things are other peoples' problems, that it doesn't affect them negatively in any way. But it does. It has for me. They need more exposure to people not like them, who aren't in their situation. They need to see different perspectives. And I think if all goes well, they'll see that civil rights and social justice movements will benefit them in the long run. That they'll feel better about themselves and the world if we evened out the playing field. That they'll finally feel like they belong when we get there.
"Leftists and liberals are Marxists." These people who hate "Marxists" don't seem to know much about Marxism despite hating it so much. Liberals and leftists have different beliefs and approaches, similar to how right wing conservatives like Bush and Trump have different beliefs
@@joelwilcox5424 I'm very confused by anarchism - I dont get the end goal of an anarchist society perhaps you can enlighten me on some things: if the private individual cannot own the means of production and there is no state, what stops a private group or individual from seizing the means of production? Whatever stops this, how is it not a state? If it is a state but a small one, how small would it be if protecting all the means of production in a territory? have i misunderstood something or does this inherrently make no sense? As far as I can see the same issue applies to free-markets. I dont see how trade, or need/value discovery works
@@supertrooper6011 No that makes sense and it’s a very common and reasonable question people have about anarchism. In my opinion there a three safeguards against this scenario. a) To seize said means of production one would need an army. At present some soldiers enlist in the military out of a sense of patriotism or perceived duty and would be unlikely to join a private army. Many others join the army because it provides a education and decent income. However in an anarchist society, moneyless or not, these things would be meaningless or redundant. b) who would work there? Worker solidarity and unionism are a central tenant of most anarchist movements and I imagine if someone claimed a factory, farm etc everyone would just walk. Without the threat of homelessness and starvation I can’t imagine workers not standing up for the free and democratic approach to work there grown accustomed to. c) Just because there’s no state doesn’t mean communities aren’t capable of defending themselves. I imagine the aforementioned workers and those driven by the principles of mutual aid would take up arms to defend the communally owned means of production. Anarchism also doesn’t inherently mean no government style organisation (libertarian municipalisation is worth looking into), it can mean directly democratic participatory assemblies and/or unions, and instead of a standing army per se, citizens militias could routinely be assembled for situations like this. Anarchists tend not to advocate for an overnight transition to a stateless, classless society overnight and big part of anarchist praxis is education, community building, working towards a society where solidarity, social and ethical motivations build community defence as effectively as the coercion of the state (and capital) It’s worth noting that anarchism is a pretty flexible and diverse ideology and its worth looking at how libertarian socialist (but not explicitly anarchist) societies like Rojava and the Zapatistas handle this problem, as well as historical societies such as revolutionary Catalonia and the Ukrainian territory. I’m also approaching this from a particular perspective and the lovely folks over at r/anarchy101 might have different answers. (Bloody leftists and their overly long and tangential answers to things amiright 🏴🚩)
the thing is men ARE victims. they're victims of patriarchy. the idea that they must succeed/be breadwinners/be strong and confident all come from patriarchy. so if they want something to fight for...fight the patriarchy
@Leif Eriksson Divorce courts are part of the patriarchy. Despite its name, the patriarchy is not always strictly beneficial for men, it merely is something that has been set up by men for the purposes of enforcing gender roles. When women come out of a divorce with much of their husbands possessions it is largely because she did exactly what society told her to do. Marry a guy with a good job and money, and live as a house wife without much in the way of personal income. The issue with this way of life is that when a divorce happened, women were at extreme risk of essentially being left with little in the way of money or marketable skills, since their husbands had effectively abandoned them by leaving them, or they would be trapped in abusive marriages they couldn't leave for fear of starving without their husbands. Thus divorce courts, sympathetic to the plights of these poor defenseless women, instituted measures to ensure that they wouldn't starve on the streets after the divorce, by forcing their former husbands to provide for them out of their own pockets through asset division, as well as alimony and child support. Of course there were some obvious problems to this. While this did help divorced women to avoid starvation, it did allow for exploitation of the system by unscrupulous women who could theoretically marry and divorce a man just to take his stuff. And while availability of divorces could help women get out of unhappy or abusive relationships, giving a woman stuff didn't precisely help them live independently. Essentially while the system currently in place tried to help women, it came from a flawed patronizing place, and ultimately helps to enforce patriarchal norms that assume that wives will always be the victims in need of care after a divorce. What is ignored in all of this is the actual feminist position, which would effectively be that women shouldn't have to need to live off of another's paycheck, because they should all be able to work and make their own money and not be forced to be dependents. After all, the feminist ideal of the independent working woman would make far less (if any) money in a divorce settlement than the patriarchal ideal of the stay-at-home housewife. Feminist does not always mean "personally benefiting women". The ideal of feminism is to break down gender role barriers. Some of these barriers can actually be exploited by women for personal benefit, but most reasonable feminists would still say that they are symbols of unfairness and need to go. As another example. In one court case, a woman managed to get acquitted of a reckless driving and child endangerment charge because she claimed that the reason for being so aggressive on the road was because she was on her period at the time. Even though a woman benefited from the case, feminists were not happy with the case result, because they've been fighting against the idea that periods made women less capable of controlling themselves and this woman effectively used hers as an insanity plea.
@Leif Eriksson Yup, the patriarchy can screw men over as well. Feminism certainly isn't the cause of property division in divorce. The code of Hammurabi (aka the oldest written code of law in history) had a law requiring that husbands had to provide their ex-wives adequate money to raise their children if they wanted to separate from them. Alimony was outlined in the Code of Justinian (code of Roman law in the Byzantine Empire) If anything feminism has been making alimony less common over time. The modern alimony laws have their roots in English Ecclesiastical courts, wherein payment was guaranteed to separated wives based on the idea that the divorce could not be finalized in most circumstances (because of Catholicism), and therefore it was thought that a husband's duty to his wife did not end just because they were not living together. Even when real divorce became more common in the 19th century, it was usually predicated on the idea that one partner had committed some wrong upon the other (such as adultery). Alimony was thus considered more of a punishment for a cheating husband, with it being withheld from wives that were found responsible for marital misconduct. Once no-fault divorces were instituted. (Aka our current system, wherein you don't need a reason to have a divorce.) Alimony became even less common, typically only awarded when fault was discovered. Do you see the course of this? It used to be that men had to pay alimony in almost any circumstance? Then it was only if their wife was the one asking for the divorce, and now it's usually only if they were likely responsible for marital misconduct. Ironically as divorce has become easier (Something that has been part of the feminist movement from the beginning) alimony has become less common.
@Leif Eriksson I haven't reported you. You've acted within youtube guidelines thus far in our debate, by my reckoning at least. Unless you're referring to some post that I can't see? I confess I just got back from work so you may have posted something today that someone else reported. Regardless, I'm open to continuing our debate if you had something else to say.
I understand perfectly, cuz I used to be like that as well. I had SJW friends when I wasn't one. Friends with bad family situations, with divorced or single parents. Friends who were gay. Friends with depression. And I remember thinking, "I want to help but I can't. All I can do is sit here, acknowledge how bad they have it, and then go back to dealing with my own problems. I don't belong. I don't have a place at the table. My problems aren't REAL." And I think that's it. They want their problems to be real, they want to heard, they want to be acknowled. Certainly puts a different spin on all the times they say someone with nonbinary gender is "doing it for attention". Projecting as usual I see
i want to thank you Shaun , the other day i remembered this video and how dismissive i was of you. im not white but i found myself in the trap of trying to defend the "dying" white race and being an active troop of the alt right. and i remember clearly dismissing your warning thinking i would never change my views they're set in stone, im fighting for the correct cause. of course i wasn't i was a misguided child that fell into the meme trap that soon encompassed my world views. you're right you did plant those seeds in me 3 years later i detest everything i stood for i was a truly racist person. thank you, i know you may not see this but i want to let you know that your words arent being thrown into a void they're heard and they helped, i didn't realize you were correct at the time but i do now. so funny to think i was 14 15 16 and i believed in that ridiculous ideology, but thank you for for planting those seeds in my head and helping me escape that alt right hell hole.
@@ax14pz107 I think you might be hanging around the wrong twitch communities then. Though maybe I should not say that. We all have different tastes. I just tend to watch smaller streamers where is a lot less of a problem.
I'm late to these videos, but your channel is giving me life It makes me so happy when people can criticise their enemies compassionately but without dulling the edge of the critique
straight white guy here, pulled myself out of homelessness a few times over the last 10 years and every time i did, wondered why i wasn't praised for having literally pulled myself up out of a homeless shelter by the bootstraps it was only after accomplishing this the fourth and final time i realized that even at my lowest point, i still had more opportunity in front of me than many of the disparaged communities and types of people in the so-called 'richest nation on earth'
I can also say I'm only alive because white middleclass privilege has kept mental health professionals at my reach, otherwise I would've quitted this not-funny-at-all game long ago. Lived in hell most of my life, still live with my mistreater, too unable to work to emancipate... but now I have ideas based on compassion and understanding, not hate and belief. I have hope, it feels very baseless sometimes considering my circumstances, but it keeps me going.
@@fluffynator6222 learning that 8 chan poisoned the already quite shaken psyche of the frogmen feels like something that was made up. none of this feels real, and yet, here we are
Hey, everyone in the comments who is speaking about how they changed viewpoints and “woke up” and everything - big round of applause to you guys. It feels like a lot of people right now aren’t willing to think critically about their own beliefs, especially in a climate as extreme as white nationalism or the likes. Good for you guys for taking that leap.
German Resistance yeah i totally agree dude. and i think “waking up” is probably an inaccurate term because changing your opinion in such a drastic way takes a long time and is a pretty gradual process. thanks for being chill!
This past week, my fiancée and I went to the funeral of her grandfather--a Black man who fought in the Korean War in the '50s and later served as the head chef of Folsom prison. I can guarantee you that man faced a fucking enormous amount of racism and bigotry throughout his life. He only just passed. His son was born before the Civil Rights amendment was passed. He gave the euology. All this Civil Rights stuff JUST FUCKING HAPPENED. It's not ancient history. Some of my future family members lived through it. And I don't mean lived through it like my white parents did. I mean they fucking lived through it.
it's wild to learn that slavery as a we knew it was still happening into the 1950s because the owners sucessfully isolated their slaves & families such that they didn't hear the news of emancipation. another wild thing is how the american for profit prison industrial complex specifically exploits a loophole in the 13th amendment, legalizing modern slavery, often in the same lands that used to be plantations.
Alfred South I know this is an old comment, but out of curiosity, was there anything in particular that got you away from that culture? How long were you a part of it?
+Alfred South - that's really admirable. I've had views I regret having and I've had my mind changed by listening to (in my experience) more informed people than myself, and it's always comforting to know other people have similar experiences to me. I like to think we're all growing and learning together.
I think the funniest part about the whole ‘but when is international MENS day’ argument they try to pull is that there actually IS an international Men’s day. They just don’t know about it because they don’t care about having their own day until they can use it to ‘prove’ international women’s day is stupid
What you described is also pretty similar to Michael Kimmel's book "Angry White Men: American Masculinity At the End of an Era". It was written shortly before Trump announced his candidacy and does not cover GamerGate and related movements, so it does not discuss those directly, but it does discuss the phenomena that lead directly into them. What you said about society saying that those guys ought to be powerful while they actually feel powerless is something Kimmel refers to as "aggrieved entitlement": they are angry that they are not as successful as their myths tell them they ought to be, and they do not have a lot of good language to describe and articulate their position and perspective. The result is that they tend to be highly suggestible to movements that say, "Those people over there arguing for special rights are distorting the system!" Relatedly, that Kimmel also noticed is that these guys kept the faith in "the American dream" longer than could be reasonably expected. As an article of faith, they cannot accept that the "ideal" system itself has let them down, that it must be the result of sabotage by actors who are unfairly rigging it against them. He wrote that they certainly have very real problems that morally ought to be address, but they are very poor at identifying the causation of those problems, easily projecting the cause onto other demographics rather than seeing impersonal (and uncaring) systemic forces at work.
I know it's been 3 years and you'll most likely never see this comment but whatever. I fall right in the category of the people you described in the video(except the whole "I'm a gamer and I'm proud of that cringe) and this video opened my eyes a little and gave me a lot to think about, and although I'm not an American I think I'll start actively participating in my country's politics and start doing my own research before casting a vote. All in all, I just want to thank you for this truth bomb.
For those who ask "Why is it that straight white men cant be proud of their race/gender/sexuality but other people can?", well... There is something tricky about the English language: See, the term "I feel proud of X" can mean "I have no shame of X", but it can ALSO mean "I feel that I am better then everyone else because X". When people say they are proud of being black, they mean they are not ashamed of being black. When people say they are proud of being gay, they mean they are not ashamed of being gay. So, I just want you to awnser one question: Would you say you are simply "Not ashamed" of being a straight white male? Or do you believe that, because you are a straight whit male, you are inherently better then anyone who isnt? Nobody should be ashamed of their race, gender, or sexuality. But nobody should believe either of those things makes you superior either.
Well you can't deny that white men becomes an slur in current discourse. It's so stupid because you have to be proud of yourself to be an accepting person. Self-love and self-respect are essential to a good society. Your whole comment is assuming peoples motives based on their identity, that's disturbing.
I see no logic whatsoever in this bullshit. You're basically saying that pride is only acceptable if you're not-white, because if you're white you're clearly saying that others are inferior: But if you're black, that's not the case. Good logic, bro. In our modern era with the new anti-white left, being white is actually more of a stigma than being black. But you're simply hating white people bro, at least white males : So you don't care about logic or paradoxes, you just wanna justify your own hatred
JoeNoshow27 >being strait white male is inmediately associeted, in the minds of equal rights supporters, as meaning whites are superior to others. >inmediatly associated in the minds of equal rights supporters as superior. >inmidiatly associated in the mind >in the mind You have just admitted people have fallen for propaganda and associated white/European identity as bad. Everyone can be their own community and persue their own groups interests , but if Europeans group together and act as a collective thats rascist? Thats opressive? Every group can be a part of the nation but European groups cannot and should not because as they are the mayority, they effectively "oppress" the rest? Being European isnt Equal? What a load of BS. What do you expect if you live in a European Nation? You are bullying the mayority! Into feeling threatened by ejecting them from cultural participation. You need to stop it. Its going to destroy you.
The ppl who raised our parents had grandparents that were alive during slavery. It's insane at BEST to think that it should have zero affect on modern times
@@badboyfrom1 first of all, nobody is "under it" in order to get over it. It's a legitimate explanation of SOME realities in the present, born of the past. Like LITERALLY all things, especially things white ppl take pride in. But say they're not over it..... You say they should be, why? Why should a people, still treated in a derogatory fashion and who have documented damage done in the form of less communicable wealth, be made to "get over" anything?
One thing always annoys me about some men is that when we (women) try to talk about our problems we have to dampen it down or say, "but what about men?" in a completely unrelated context to avoid being accused of man hating or biased/we don't care about men. No, but we want to discuss our problems too.
Its very easy to dispel and move on in the discussion if you have 3 working brain cells. Meanwhile people get butthurt and derail everything, there making "what about men" perfect troll red herring.
@@EnhancedNightmare this is so pitifully unaware of reality. Asking “what about men?” is a dog whistle and telling women “oh it’s easy to dispel and move on” is adorable. Is that how you think actually works? That this is actually some kind of “free market of ideas?” How gullible can you be to completely ignore all of the psychological, historical and sociological context of all of this. Instead of lecture women on shit that doesn’t exist, tell fuckwad trolls to stop trolling and that it’s actually fucked up and sadistic to think this is all a cute game
I just discovered shaun's videos this week. (Im a little older than many youtube fanatics) i just want to say that i have seen some really hopeful developments in my time as a history teacher. I am quite close to a number of my former students. My best friend is in fact much younger than me and we only met bc he randomly signed up for one of my classes in his second year of college. When we met he was [sigh] a 'libertarian'. I put that word in quotes bc he didnt really understand politics at all. He had no knowledge of any economic theory. In fact he had no understanding of any nuances of history. When i talk to him now it is like he is a different person. He credits my classes and our subsequent friendship for this but in reality all i did was give him something else with which to identify. In his case it was marxist theory. In other words your ending statement about identity politics is at least in my own experience entirely correct. These young and predominantly male voters are not stupid at all. They are totally disenfranchised but dont have any inkling of WHY bc our education system is so paltry ineffective and boring that they basically HAVE no education. Especially in history. This is in no way their fault. I do not blame them for watching videos by the likes of thoughty2 or god forbid, sargon af akkad. In fact they have a great desire for information about why they have been disenfranchised and by whom. This is the draw of the alt right. It gives a viable explanation for their own individual situation. Our responsibility is to give them an alternative. So, from me to you, shaun (and jen if she was working on this too. Im not sure what the chronology of your channel is), thank you. I really think you are doing a great job.
Thank you! I think it's so important to state clearly that these guys ARE oppressed, as we all are under capitalism. That's what is ruining everything...not feminism. That's the problem that is draining the purpose from their lives. As well as society shoveling harmful male gender roles and toxic masculinity down their throats from an early age...forcing them into a corner where they have no coping mechanisms to deal with their feelings without feeling weak and feminine and sacrificing their ego. I just wished they could realize how feminism can help them, by doing away with their harmful gender roles and the bullshit that hurts men too!! Arguably more in certain ways. Hey, I can finally escape men consumed by toxic masculinity, but they can't escape themselves. I see so many men suffering and it breaks my heart. :( It's time to evolve. I don't know, sigh. I think it's so important to acknowledge their feelings of being a victim, so we can explain WHY that actually is! Blame the system...and the people actually in charge. The rich.
@@kris2672 you know it’s illegal to teach the Bible in school right. Or at least forbidden. Most of the educational problems are with funding and the children not the school itself or the teachers. I know we think students are innocent but most of them do not listen to the teachings or care to expand their horizon of critical thought.
That ending was pretty chilling. I'm an American Jew and I'm honestly pretty scared for my safety in the near-future in this country. If it's difficult for anyone reading this comment to wrap their heads around this statement, I'll try to paint a more vivid picture for you: I am regularly exposed to blatant, violence-advocating anti-semitism on a variety of public platforms on the internet. This includes very mainstream platforms like Facebook and RUclips (there are a *lot* of anti-semites on RUclips). There are people who literally believe that Jews should be burned alive, gassed, and mutilated because of some vague idea that we control all the banks and media or something. In reality, they are oppressed by capitalism, an economic system which has been exploited to the point where less than one percent of the population owns the vast majority of the wealth. These people fail to recognize that I am oppressed by the same system, even though I am a Jew. I am not a rich banker. I do not control any major media outlets. I'm a working-class American. I have a 9-5 job, I pay rent, and most of the money I earn goes towards paying off the massive debts which I owe. My bank account reads a positive number, but if my debts were taken fully into consideration, my actual net worth is probably somewhere in the negative tens of thousands. In short, that means I literally have to do labor to survive in this country, just like any other working-class person. When viewed through an economic class lens, we are literally brothers, but these people think I should be murdered because I had a bar-mitzvah when I was thirteen. It's an absurd and frightening position, but it's shockingly common on the internet. However, these people don't just keep their violent tendencies on the internet. It's not just something people are typing out behind the anonymity of the internet to blow off steam. Look at videos of the Charlottesville, Virginia protests over the statue of Robert E. Lee. There were large groups of people chanting "Gas the kikes" in unison. There are literally people physically gathering together (wielding torches, mind you) because they all share a hatred of Jews and other minority groups. These are the sorts of things that lead to people actually getting killed (indeed, one person was killed in Charlottesville, tragically). Some people are stepping outside the realm of spoken (or written) language and into the world of physical reality, and my physical body feels kind of threatened by that, especially since I look like a Jew racially. Having said that, I understand that the people who are gathering together for such violent gatherings are a statistical minority. However, that doesn't really make me feel more comfortable, because I'm not concerned about a small group of anti-semites gathering together so long as the society I live in generally condemns their actions. This is where things get really scary for me, because I don't think we live in a society that generally condemns violent anti-semitism. In fact, my experience in life thus far has suggested to me that a large number of Americans are, at best, indifferent about anti-semitism. I know that's anecdotal, but I'm not really trying to argue any particular point: I'm really just trying to convey my experience to anyone who is skeptical that I have any real reason to be afraid as an American Jew right now. Anyway, here's one particularly vivid anecdotal story: I went to college in a pretty politically-left town. When I was living in the dormitories (we were required as first-year students), I lived with a bunch of other students who found out I was Jewish and relentlessly bullied me for my background for the entire school year. They would draw swastikas on my door, throw food through my window at my computer while I was studying, and make inappropriate comments about the size of my penis. Indeed, it was disturbing and definitely not-okay, but I never felt physically threatened. However, even though these guys never threatened me physically, I couldn't see them standing up for me in that type of situation, either. So, to sum up, I'm freaked out, but not because there's a small group of people with torches who want me to die in a gas chamber. I'm freaked out because there's a small group of people who want me to die, and there's an even larger group of people who don't really seem to care. I don't think a lot of the people I know would stand up for me if there was an angry mob with torches knocking at my door. Combine all of that with the way that some Americans fail to recognize the difference between Judaism and Zionism, and you've really got a recipe for disaster. For those who don't know, Judaism is a culture (some combination of religion, music, food, tradition, and ethnicity), and Zionism is the political opinion that Israel, as it exists now, is a legal state. The important thing to recognize here is that these two positions are mutually-exclusive. That is, you can be a Zionist without being a Jew and you can be a Jew without being a Zionist. An example of a Zionist who is not a Jew is Donald Trump. An example of a Jew who is not a Zionist is me. I do not believe Israel is a legal state. I believe that America used the displacement of Jews after the holocaust to establish a military stronghold in the location we now know as Israel for control over foreign resources such as oil and opium, and that millions of Palestinians have been displaced (even killed) in order to establish that stronghold. Many people I come across on the internet believe that, because I am a Jew, I must also be a Zionist. This really scares me, because if things start to escalate in the US over the conflict in Israel (which it might given Trump's ultra-Zionism), I don't think I will be viewed favorably just because I'm Jewish, even though I'm an anti-Zionist. Hopefully that helps clear things up. I'm hoping I somehow reached the mind of some young alt-righter who might not realize how anti-semitism really does affect people's lives. I have been affected by it greatly throughout my life, which is pretty ironic because I'm not even a practicing Jew. I'm actually an atheist. I'm more of a cultural Jew. I celebrate Jewish music, I eat Jewish food during the high holidays, I embrace the fact that I was raised as a Jew with other Jewish children in my community, and my ancestors were Ashkenazi Jews (making me racially Jewish). It's a part of who I am, but not in the way one might assume at first, and there's so much more to me than just being a Jew. It's amazing to me that such an insignificant part of my identity (from my own perspective) has made people do such awful things to me throughout my life, and even to wish that I would be murdered or horribly mutilated. Let that sink in.
A lot of people get bullied in school according to how they self-identify. It's a way for young people to sort each other out and find out who is strong and weak and work toward hierarchy/cohesion. Most conservative Christian Americans support Israel and are very tolerant of Jews. Leftist organizations like the ADL and Zionist organizations like AIPAC are not winning friends among common Americans. What American conservatives want to know is - why is it that American Jews are socially conservative and yet they vote for destructive Leftist policies?
@@lacedemonians I think we might be talking past one another here. For me, being Jewish isn't really a political position. It's just a way of life that I was brought up with. I'm just pointing out that there are people out there who literally want me dead for that, and I'm saying that that's pretty fucked up. I'm definitely not trying to start a debate about social policy. I'm just sharing my experiences and hoping that it resonates with people.
@@tonyrigatoni766 - Being Jewish certainly should NOT be a political position. But for various historical and modern sociological reasons, it is. I agree with you that anti-Jewish sentiment is becoming more socially and politically acceptable. I view anti-white sentiment as also becoming more socially acceptable. But whites are not nearly as vulnerable as Jews. I'm an older conservative. I've long admired the Jewish people. Funny enough, I despise Islam, but I've had several Muslim friends. Nobody knows for certain how they would react in a life or death situation. I would hope that I would risk my life to save unjustly targeted innocent people of any ethnicity or religious affiliation. Actually, many men (including myself) have plenty of physical courage. It's moral courage that is difficult.
Tony Rigatoni “I’m freaked out because there’s a small group of people who want me to die, and there’s an even larger group of people who don’t really seem to care.” And that’s exactly why atrocities have been committed against minorities and especially Jewish populations throughout history. You don’t need a society that is explicitly anti-(insert vulnerable population here as a scapegoat). You just need enough people to be indifferent and willing to ignore it happening.
Anakin Skywalker “Being Jewish certainly should not be a political position. But for various historical and modern sociological reasons, it is.” What political position or policy is being advocated for by being Jewish? This guy literally explained that you are not tied to the Zionist movement by being Jewish, and there are no other policies I can think of that you are assumed to support (by a rational person I suppose) if you are Jewish.
This is golden. I've been that white cis straight young guy in 4chan once, and it was very rewarding somehow. I've grew out of it only by having my college classmates (i'm coursing psychology, so mainly women) reeducate me about what's really going on on the world. I've been also really resistant torwards the progressist ideals, but eventually, I got convinced. It's for the better, the world makes more sense now. This is a situation that's hard to grow out of, mainly because of human tendencies to confirmation bias and general stubborness. I hope that more people can be revived just like I did, and you're doing a good job on this, Shaun! Keep it going, I really like your videos.
As many others have said, I had the exact same experience as a 12-13 year old browsing /pol/ all day. It really fucks your mental state, thank God I am out of it.
@Bot #10110 How recent is "only just"? MvC3's day one, on-disk DLC and the Mann Co. Supply Crate were instituted a decade ago. I'm sure with a bit of thought we could come up with even earlier examples of corporate greed affecting the quality of the product for consumers, and god knows how bad for how long working conditions have been in an industry that worships at the altar of crunch time.
"Capitalism"... I'd say that greedy, uncreative and lazy game developers ruin them most of all. You know, not only those who insert women and minority characters in games, only to pander to their audience, and raise controversy about it (instead of doing it in a genuine way, that is to make the game more interesting and raise some questions about our society); but also - and more importantly - those, who shove microtransactions everywhere and divide games into like 8 DLCs.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the theory that the Alt-Right just want to proudly contribute to a group and have an identity. On a smaller and less offensive scale, this desire to be a part of something and have an identity is likely why bronies were a thing. I also love the alternative to white supremacy you give them in class identity because minorities and majorities alike can experience classist oppression.
I was alt-right before it was cool. Back when i was a teenager in the late 80s and early 90s I hung out with a lot of John Birchers. I got better after a while, but I never thought I'd see all that stuff become mainstream. You're doing good work. Keep it up.
it's a good thing that 3rd world aliens deem themselves threatened by civilisation-builders asserting themselves. they can all go back and make their respective nations great for the first time ever in recorded history
I'm in the age range of most of the "Alt-Right", and I think I'm very lucky to have been exposed to political an economic theory at a young age. God knows I could be praising kek if my dad wasn't an economist.
Yes, many things are more cringy; some of them are described in this video. Getting into gaming because you want to role-play a variety of characters is a positive attitude, the opposite of the ‹OMG, a female PC, I'm so oppressed› attitude of Gamergate.
@rebecca triggered I dunno, if you spent much of your youth being bullied it's easy to see why you might take solace in that stuff. The cancer is when people try to turn them from there to alt right or reactionary shit.
why? i think its quite ok. a bit loud but a nice argument. if u look at it in the context of loving games as art, a a powerful medium. not in the context of denouncing dumb racist incels calling themselves gamers
@@TiMonsor I appreciate literature as an art, but I would never try to say that I have many lives because I read many books. It's pathetic because it's a tacit admission that certain obsessive gamers aren't engaging in real life, and they don't even see that as a problem. No appreciation of art is so important that it justifies devoting all your time to it.
Watching this video again was honestly so bittersweet. Went from being one of the people he talks about to escaping from that toxic mindset like many people in the comments here and boy does it feel weird to look back
This- like all your others- is an excellent video. Confession time: I flirted with this nonsense for 6-12 months at age 15-ish when I still thought I was a cishet (HAH! HAH! Funny joke right?). I was never overtly a Nazi and I never harassed anyone or anything like that, but I jumped on the gamergate bandwagon and listened to people like the amazing atheist, nodding along in agreement without any understanding of context. Your talk about the 'gamer' identity filling a void resonates with me- repressing my gender caused a massive degree of depression and emptiness for a long time, and without a coherent understanding of gender (my own or the broader set of constructs in general) I turned to the 'sjw' scapegoat to explain it. I identified as an 'egalitarian' in opposition to both the reactionary right and the straw-feminist constructed by the crypto-fascists I was surrounded by. Contextualizing all this ridiculousness also helped me understand that I'm allowed to reject my assigned gender altogether, alleviating a lot of the pain that toxic phase had failed to. I was fed a lot of lies by a lot of toxic people while I was young, impressionable and vulnerable, and my bitterness at that fact will never fully dissipate. I'm simultaneously ashamed at the ridiculous and destructive ideas I bought into, and proud of the fact that I never used them to hurt people like I was pressured to. I don't really have any answers for others in these circles, as I know my experience is fairly unusual. I feel an obligation to share, though- if only as another reminder that you can, and should, reject toxic falsehoods when they fail to stand up to basic scrutiny.
I had a similar story. I got into gamergate until Milo showed up and thought the whole thing got co-opted by the right. I loved the amazing atheist and watched his videos but always thought he was just making hyperbolic statements about feminism.It was always about him debating a teenvogue femnism and it got irritating since it was the same BS arguments from obvious, uneducated crazies. Then I just got bored of the shit. For someone who always talked rationalism in the face of religion and anti-vaxxers, they spent all their time "debating" with the same people. And if you watch the "anti SJW" group after awhile it got to the point where one buzzfeed article was causing everyone to circle jerk the same article because they ran out of any one of any importance to complain about. The money grubbing became obvious and at the same time I felt there wasn't an alternative until I found Shaun and Jen, Hbomberguy, and Contrapoints. Real intellectuals that did't bother making videos circle jerking the same articles and cringy people for cash and views.
Roux Phoenix my views? two people, bill Maher and Marilyn Manson power to all of ya, just remember not to bask in political stuff too much, we got grey matter to evolve and activate along with the pursuits of technology and entertainment. there is so much more than politics in life, and the best thing one can do is put it all aside for a clarity of true joy and meaning
MellowMaroon with respect to Roux Phoenix, it is (fortunately or unfortunately) not an entirely unique story; i know at least a handful of people (myself included) who could tell stories at least somewhat similar. N.B. i say this not to detract from Roux's experiences--on the contrary! (and btw thank you for sharing them, Roux... please don't make yourself feel bad for having bought into that garbage in the past)--but to reassert them. i would only add that they are at the very least descriptive of exeperiences that others have had (and perhaps still others are having or will have), too
tldr i'm trying to say: i think Roux's account is emblematic of a personal story that isn't normally heard but that probably happens far more often than anyone would guess
The right loves talking about social media bubbles as if leftists are in the left because they don't know how the world works. In reality they chose the left precisely because they know very well the limits of the right. There's things that simply are not in the purview of the right, and therefore they are incapable of imagining solutions.
As a young black man, living with being oppressed is not fun. Constant depressing stories about slavery, (if you're saying "Oh, you freed yourself!" then that's not entirely true, we endured, but we weren't free until one side of the country found slavery too costly, and LET us fight for our freedom), most famous political figures (up until Obama), was a man who was shot for saying 'Maybe we shouldn't all hate each other...' and a singer who's skin was bleached. You have to constantly hear "Don't trust white people too much" (A.K.A. Get a black friend even if you have nothing in common) "you gotta be better than the white folk in order to succeed", and "don't do anything embarrassing, those people are waiting for you to trip up". You learn that you could go to jail for much less than your peers might go to jail for, while simultaneously hearing about black crime rates that only seem to imply that you're just "more inclined to do crime"
Hey Soldado. Here is a young black man who tells you how depressing it is to be judged by the color of your skin, and your answer is to judge people by the color of their skin? How does that make sense to you?
michael jackson had vitiligo - he didn't just turn himself white, he couldn't control it - he even stated that he was "proud to be black" im not really sure what the reference to michael jackson part was about
You could take any group of people...Redheads for example... And have cops stop them 12 times more often, arrest them more often for doing rhe same things as other hair colors, give them longer sentences for the same things other hair colors get arrested for and I bet their incomes, kids test scores etc will on average go down. It's just common sense.
@@allrightok9982 Racism is only prejudice that enforces an existing power structure. Theres no existing power structure that keeps white people down in the same way. Words have different meanings in different contexts. You can be prejudiced without being racist. It's not the same thing. Kind of like saying a guy throws like a girl is not the same thing as telling a girl she throws like a guy.
I used to be in the frog people crowd, my friend group since middle school being these kinds of people. there wasn't any blatent sexism or racism or anything like that, but as we all grow up and they get more right-wing and as I start listening to more and more crust punk and watching more and more lefty youtubers, I start to realize how I was enabling their pseudo-right-wing beliefs, and I'm just glad that I'm debating and talking to them about it now as a 10th grader, than talking to them about it when they're militant alt-righters and I'm an anarchist. basically, thank you shaun and punk rock for showing me how shitty I was.
It's been a long way out of my idealogical right wing prison... You and Hbomberguy were actually the ones that pulled me out of there... so thanks for making videos. P.S. I really love how calm you are all the time
Bro, it was chilling listening to this, knowing that only a few years ago I also held all of the opinions you rebuttaled in this video, just more so as a black guy looking at a white dude saying "he's the one who's oppressed". It's amazing I ever got caught up in it, and now I'm curious as to how I even ended up there in the first place.
@@MrCmon113 he never said he was going to auto be a good president he just said it would be cool. Im black and I think it would be pretty ok. Well the general thought.
@@MrCmon113 that's not what I'm saying, I'm not saying someone should be president because they're a native, I'm just saying it would be cool because if that happens the natives who are still being treat horribly would have better lives
honestly, like the top commenter said, you and hbomberguy saved me from becoming more right wing. i was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. my ex turned out to have been cheating on me, and as a result i was angry and looking for something to put my anger into. it reached a peak in 2019 where i was at my absolute worst both mentally and politically. then, in early 2020, i started watching hbomberguy's videos on soy, and moved on from there. i really appreciate you making these videos and making me realize that not all leftists are weird shouty people that refuse to educate people that need the education. edit: oops i ended up being a trans woman. ive since been in multiple relationships where ive been treated with absolute respect and loyalty if you're curious on where i'm at today. love y'all
The stuff about history was pretty eye opening. It is strange how we have a tendency to lump all of history together. Things like jim crow were not that long ago. My father was affected by racism and even though Jim crow was on its way out he still had to deal with it. Not to mention he was the son of a man who had to deal with horrific levels of racism. So we are like 2 generations removed from it which is nothing. Your part about presidents and young people was also very good too.
Not quite relevant but a cool historical fact. Cleopatra lived closer to our time than the building of the great pyramids. It's true, check it out of you don't believe me.
Avrysatos I don't have the perspective to tell - I'm a history student, so the ptolemeans coming after the old pharaohs is kind of burned into my brain.
Ehh, same boat on already knowing Cleopatra came after the Great Pyramids. It's not burned into my brain though. It has more to do with connecting known dots, like Cleopatra's dealings with the Romans and pyramids being a more major thing before that period of history. Anyhow, I'm from the other side here. S&J did a decent job on some parts (the belief that social justice issues are already solved), but his speculation for the reasoning behind those parts is rather poor. It's usually good to not consider your opposition idiots (goes for both sides). Most people in general who get involved with this kind of stuff have a decent enough grasp of history to know that, say... slavery wasn't an issue solved in the midieval ages, and woman's suffrage wasn't apart of the founding of the US.
Matter of definition really. The gamergate I signed up for was genuinely the ethics in games journalism. Couldn't care less about the cause of it all. At the point it was called gamergate my group was bunched together with the other that don't even call themselves gamergate (that I know of) and all they had in common is they started at about the same time, really. Call it ignorance, but I knew what I applied to; I called out every "Gamer" who was out of line, never harassed anyone and to this day try to get influence on games journalism for ethics (the irony is we also want real social justice and some of our main opponents are self proclaimed social justice warriors who again ironically have racist and sexist tendencies, but because it's not a marginalised group it's somehow not just OK, but encouraged. ). The label was just smeared. Part of me wants to abandon it, but we have no other name for the movement and we kind of want to clear our names because we have identified ourselves by it since the beginning.
They will realize THEY were right, once they adopt your idea as their own It takes a few years to get over being 'shown up' so they can take ownership of it without a stigma
Sucks... I really hate lies in gaming, paid off critic mother fuckers, and micro transaction bullshit. It's all evil and designed to fuck you over financially. BUT... Many gamers who are with me in this mind set of thinking that paying thousands to unlock one full game is bullshit... Also think that all blacks should hang and that women should never leave the kitchen. So yeah... Frustrating...
In 20 or 30 years, a small segment of the listeners might finally make a connection based upon something that they learned in this video, so they will be less wrong after that. While they will not remember you, or give you any credit, that's not why we teach the truth. We speak the truth because anything less is a disservice to humanity. "We fight Fascism not because we will win, but because it is Fascism." -Chris Hedges
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 If you don't like getting ripped off in gaming, stop playing Microsoft games! Convert your PC to Linux, (explore the Debian, ArchLinux package repos games collections ) & download Steam (search SteamPowered)
27:05 - "Because ultimately, if this doesn't stop, it's going to come to blows. And I don't mean a street scuffle between a group of anti-fascists and a group of white nationalists." Very prescient words.
I was like this. Then I realised that I was gay 😎 and I spent a few months hating it and then I just accepted it and that was the turning point for me.
Thankfully I managed to dodge the GamerGate nonsense on social media by, basically, not taking part in much social media. From the brief snippets I heard were things like "it's about game journalism integrity" and I was actually kind of excited... like, "wow, yeah! Are people finally waking up to the fact that games journalism doesn't really exist and that outside of, like, a couple investigative journalists that expose worker abuse and bad practices; it's all basically just a PR arm of publishers by way of getting a bunch of nerds to say 'yes, daddy, give me game keys, I'll give you a review and won't mention microtransactions' and begging for exclusive interviews..." But then I realized it was really all about how some woman who made a game for a specific audience allegedly slept with a games journalist who gave a good review to the game and didn't disclose his alleged relationship with her, which is, apparently, totally her fault and definitely, TOTALLY, a widespread issue...apparently. Damn wimmins and their venus flytrap genitals, entrapping and corrupting the sweet innocent boys in their pure endeavors, destroying their careers for personal gain. lol.
Ugh, RUclips, why are your recommending this to me? I already watched it three years ago and liked it! Well, guess I'll watch it again to see how well it's aged.
I'm honestly glad my parents have kept me away from social media, all I had were my toys, Legos, minecraft music parodies, and cartoons, and now as a teenager stepping into the internet after being so far removed from the more modern internet since 2014, I feel pretty happy I turned out alright
This is the kind of video I have been looking for in a while now, one which doesn't just scream about the resurgence of nazism, but actually explains why it is happening. It's much easier to act towards a problem when you know why it exists.
even if you believe that iq is a valid measurement of intelligence there are lots of factors that can inhibit your intelligence in poorer countries (I.E one could get a traumatic head injury from working in an unsafe environment or have to group up in a house with lead paint since you don't have the money to replace it properly). also the samples in more war torn or militaristic countries would be inherently unrepresentative as it would be harder to find a significant number of people living in a safe enough environment to send a survey guy to their location and of course, some countries (like north Korea) may be so restrictive in their policies that the researchers would only be able to gain access to heavily biased data. not to mention the many ways that the researchers could have intentionally misrepresented the data (ala the einzenfiel map). tldr: there are many ways that this survey could be unrepresentative
Count Ravid they themselves are not Nazi’s, but they have unwittingly (supposedly unwittingly anyways) been espousing fascist talking points and rhetoric like, since Trump was on the campaign trail, and conservatism as a whole goes hand in hand with fascism’s rise at any given time, because it is content to protect the status quo no matter the cost. SO, when their power and status is threatened, like it has been by the rise in class consciousness and general push towards, ya know, respecting minorities, they’re more likely to start defending the people who’s beliefs, while perhaps far more extreme then theirs might on the surface appear, aren’t inherently antithetical to what they wish to uphold, that being a system wherein, though they might not say it out right, straight white folk are the norm, and thereby at the top, and all the icky other folk can be pushed off to the side where they don’t have to think about them. So, to answer the question, asking whether trump or the Republicans are Nazi’s is asking the wrong question: twenty first century American fascism will look different from mid twentieth century German fascism, though it’s rise will AND HAS had many of the same calling cards. No, we are not currently living in the midst of a full on fascist dictatorship, but neither was Germany right away when Hitler was elected Chancellor. But we are gearing up to deport and detain people for being brown, we’re gearing up to erase trans folk from the population logistically, and we’ve ALWAYS been hyper racist against black people...also you know, there’s been a rise in hate crimes against Jewish, Muslim, Latina/x, black, and queer folk overall since Trump’s been in office so like...you know what yes. In everything but perhaps name, trumpism is twenty first century nazism
I watched this video about 2 years ago, called you a soyboy of course, then forgotten about it. Now, after all this time, I say you were right and I was wrong. I sincerely think you and hbomb saved me from the spiral of hatred I was in. Thank you from the bottom of my heart
As one of those evil SJW SOCIALIST COMMIE SCUM, I'd really appreciate knowing what thought processes led you to reconsider your positions.
...Things I've been seeing online lately genuinely makes me wonder if I'm going to be gunned down.
Which...The fiance and I just broke up and I guess I don't care much if I get gunned down now.
But, you know, there are other well meaning leftists who don't deserve to wind up in mass graves.
That's really big of you. Admitting mistakes and listening to other points of view is a big sign of maturity.
@Leif Eriksson See you in two years, hopefully ;D
Leif Eriksson nah, you’ll come around as well.
@Leif Eriksson i hope one day you let go of all that hate in your heart. it's only hurting you.
"The scariest sex a woman can have is not with me" is my favorite quote everr
Especially since *I'm* not diseased!!
I kinda get where this aversion to sexually active people (specially to women) is so prevalent among internet gamers.
There is this weird mentality among the gamer community that implies that they’re not ‘normal’ (just look at all the “tfw no gf” self deprecating memes on reddit or 4chan, or how they joke about their ‘autism’). It convinced them that, unless you’re a ‘normie’, a wholesome and fulfilling social life is forever out of reach.
No wonder they’re jealous of them, for having something that they believe will never have and that would make them finally happy.
Gao Li your paragraph about the far right can just as easily be applied to feminism or the left.
Gao Li the left side of the political spectrum. Your welcome.
Lol, I try not to label political ideologies beyond left and right or far left and far right, but I think feminism is pretty self explanatory. Shit like “Marxist”, or “globalist” and the like tend to generalize people and misinterprets people’s actual beliefs by lumping them in with said ideologies based on what may be agreements with single issues, and they’re often used incorrectly, or so I’m told, so I don’t know much about what a post modern globalist whatever is, or a neo con, an con, or any of that.
But my comment is applicable to any group or ideology really. They all offer validation, community, and “family”.
Feminism in particular endorses the same feeling of victimhood and oppression that Shaun talks about the gamers wanting because they feel left out. A woman or minority who has not experienced much if any negative experiences are just as vulnerable to wanting to feel important, a part of the movement, or like the underdog.
The left tends to come with the idea that they’re better, more moral people than those on the right, even though they usually affect just as little/much positive change.
Now white nationalists are allegedly amassing and trying to take over, and that’s a hell of an excuse to feel like a hero by “fighting back”. People can even justify pre emptive violence against conservatives as defence because conservatives are tacitly support... the beliefs are treated like a moral license to do whatever they want. Dehumanization.
Same mechanisms, different “beliefs”.
@@Azrael_Garou says the guy with Michael Myers as his picture LOL. Thats priceless 👍
"Its illegal to commit crimes, therefore there is actually no crime"
“And thus in his considered view \ what’s not allowed could not be true”
from Christian Morgenstern’s „Die unmögliche Tatsache“: „Weil, so schließt er messerscharf \ nicht sein kann, was nicht sein darf.“
It’s a poem about a guy who’s run over by a car. He gets up and refuses to die because obviously that would be illegal so it didn’t happen.
@@flying-sheep
LOL
This is my new fucking anthem
stonks
@False Feathers There are 3 ways to understand your response to "Its illegal to commit crimes, therefore there is actually no crime"
A) English is not your first language.
B) Are just trolling.
C) Too young/naive to understand that words have contextual meaning.
In other words the original statement is mocking the usual arguments used by racist.
@@occhamsrazor
a) There were no English language mistakes.
b) They didn't say anything outrageously provocative, as trolls do.
c) Their age is irrelevant and you're clutching at straws by trying to make a straw man argument.
It's three years later and I can confirm. He was right about everyfing
@Young Rager Specially about things coming to blows at the end.
What were your views before you changed your mind? You were the way he describes these gamers in the video? Racist and other stuff? What made you change your mind?
@Young Rager Yeah I'd also love to know what made you come around... was it just from watching youtube vids that went against your beliefs at the time and realizing something? I grew up with the early internet before youtube existed but we still had sites like 4chan, somethingawful and ytmnd where a lot of early memes were born. The humor was always edgy even back then but I've watched it slowly become less about shock humor and more actual literal hate. 4chan wasn't always the cesspool that it is today... I mean it was always a cesspool but in a better way back then lol. It's just sad to see that propaganda succesfully flipped so many young gamers views to thinking the left are coming to get them. Another difference when I was young is it was always the conservative evangelical types trying to censor or cancel our video games, tv show and movies. They still do it too but have somehow flipped the script and got so many young people to buy into their lies.
@@plucafo I was a bit too old for that alt right stuff but around 2009 I became extremely radicalized and surrounded myself with far right nationalists and fascist organisations (thats in eastern Europe, Poland to be specific). This lasted for years up until 2016-2017. Reason why I switched was moving to the UK. Meeting people of different races, nationalities, gay, lesbian, trans... realised it's all the same shit, noone is special or better. Especially meeting with English nationalists made me realise they repeat the same rhetorics I used to believe in even though we're from different countries - made me realise there ain't nothing special about my country or theirs too.
Another thing was reading about my country's history from outside, foreign sources. In Poland we're made to believe we did nothing wrong ever and always have been oppressed, and although we did get violated by other nations, we did the same to those weaker from us. This made me really realise I was living in a fantasy world... It's hard to accept the perception you had, of your own history, was heavily falsified, it's like realising your parents ain't who they claim to be.
@@gansmith I, no shit, thought this exact same thing. Not all the racist shit but all his points about it. I would look at all of these dudes and go "christ, they wanna be oppressed so fucking bad! How tf are they culturally appropriating fucking oppression?!" Lmao. I'm glad this seemed to plant the seeds in your brain and that he was right about everything. His points are very spot on and I appreciate his methodology
Just wanted to say that I really like the "women (scary)" bullet point.
Very nice, thank you MrZeyami
having sex (highly alarming)
Free Healthcare (Nightmare)
This guy has good memes
LGBTQ+ Rights (literally 1984)
Frog Men: This is not what I voted for!!
Everyone Else: Yes it is.
Pepe the frog
@@dankmemer1305 You wish.
@@dankmemer1305 That dosen't mean anything.
Stock market only tells you how the rich are doing.
Lowest unemployment dosent matter much when it's mostly low-paying jobs.
Gdp going up dosen't nesscarily mean people in the country are doing better.
@@dankmemer1305 good economy doesn't mean much when you don't reap the benefits of it my dude
he has some good policies, i won't disagree there, but frankly most of his policies are in my opinion not effective either fiscally or socially
@@dankmemer1305 - All of this was true the day before Trump took office, but for some reason you wouldn't have admitted it then. Hmm...
We're not gonna take this anymore.
_Take what?_
*We're not gonna take this anymore!*
Have you accualy done research on what that means or do you just watch leftist videos.
@@namename8207 Your tone lmao
@@namename8207 Twisted Sister
@@mashaa.7509 wut
@@namename8207
Your comment sounded pretentious, whether that was intentional or not
"there's no wage gap because it's illegal to pay less based on gender and race" but also, "since when do criminals follow rules, banning guns won't solve anything."
There is a difference between a business not upholding legitimate practices and citizens owning firearms by constitutional right or otherwise; its much easier to report the business for illegal practices than to police individual people's ownership of a firearm.
@@Spore1018 Be careful with your logic around these parts... it's bat country...
@Jakob Nacanaynay I'm more so pointing to how dissimilar the ideas in question are, except for the part of legality and criminal behaviour
Banning guns would be ridiculous. Even in most of Europe, we have access to weapons. But the thing is that we regulate it more strictly than America. I think that more strict rules about gun ownership should solve most problems. Because then it would be mandatory to know gun safety to avoid any accidents
@@balazscsotai8354 The problem in the US has to do with the fact that since guns are so deeply ingrained in the culture and trafficked illegally through Mexico and the Caribbean, making the black market for guns healthy. Since the culture is so ingrained that its unlikely some evil scumbag to choose something other than a gun for mass murder in the US. That said even at that (correction:rifles) aren't even the most used for violent crime in the US and the largest media outlets sensationalize everything and just blatently lies to the public about numbers and policies
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." ~ Lyndon B. Johnson
Rational Disconnect +
Holy fuck that's a really insightful quote. From an American politician, too. I'm impressed.
Same shit has been happening for a long time, google "southern strategy". the economics of the Appalachian region of the u.s. "Lyndon B. Johnson declared a "War on Poverty" while standing on the front porch of an Inez, Kentucky home whose residents had been suffering from a long ignored problem.[87] The Appalachian Regional Development Act of 1965 stated." very large 'poor white vote' you see mentioned today.
"If you can convince the lowest white man he's unfairly privileged over the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him something to feel guilty about, and he'll empty his pockets for you." ~ Saddam Hussein
Rational Disconnect
But what's wrong with white identity? I'm not talking about racism or hatred because I hate that as much as you do.
Why is it that a black person can be proud of being black, an Asian person can be proud of being Asian, a Mexican person can be proud of being Mexican but a white guy can't be proud of being white without being a racist? Yes it's a cliché by now but no one has given a good answer to that question as of yet. And while you're at it why is it predominately white countries that are burdened with the task of sheltering the world's poor and needy? Countries in Africa such as Uganda and in East Asia such as China and Japan have been openly hostile to large scale foreign immigration and no one has given them shit for it.
Sadly it is the white nationalists of all people that are asking this very fair and logical question.
White history does not predominately consist of racism and colonialism you know. Someone who is proud of being white could be celebrating their Germanic or Nordic heritage as well as the civilizations of ancient Greece and Rome; neither of which were antagonistic towards black people.
I am Armenian and thankfully my country does not belong to the EU. Even though we are Caucasian technically we are not European and so we are not under this same demand for white altruism. I recognize my dark skin privilege to protect and preserve my culture.
The Frog and the Men
2 Frog 2 Men
The Frog and the Men: Tokyo Drift
Frog and Men
Frog Men 5
Frog and Men 6
Frog Men 7
The Fate of the Frog Men
The Fast and the Furious movies are wonderful, you philistine.
And I say this as someone whose favorite film makers are Yasujiro Ozu, Ingmar Bergman, Michalangelo Antonioni, Andre Tarkovsky, Nuri Bilge Ceylan and Apichatpong Weerasethakul.
I'm sorry you hate well made, inclusive, gloriously silly, smart-stupid fun. ;)
Of Frog and Men
Frog and a half men
The thing is, there _is_ an International Men's Day - but it's about men's and boy's physical and mental health, raising positive role models, gender equality, … y'know, all kinds of "sjw bullshit".
Haha, God...
Every year it comes and goes and its crickets from them
N it's the only you can openly laugh at and say "fuck all those nerd incel losers LOLZ! "
That doesn’t sound like “SJW bullshit”, it sounds legitimate. What makes you think MAGA people would say that? They dislike what they perceive as the “femininization” of boys, e.g. the case where a schoolboy got in trouble because he drew a ninja decapitating someone.
Cheers,
an open-minded person from the right wing.
@@NukeSanity What makes me think that? Twitter. I've looked into the corresponding hashtags more than once.
i used to be the generic straight white gamer dude but you know what really made me change? just talking with people outside the internet. Like, people who work with me, that go to the same gym as me, etc. who could imagine, women and minorities don't want to kill and destroy everything. turns out they are people just like me, sometimes with the same fears, problems and goals. crazy, just crazy. great video, btw
I went down the same route and I’m so thankful for it everyday. It was mostly going to University, and not because I was being “indoctrinated by marxists” but because I was just exposed to people that weren’t like me politically, religiously, racially, ethnically. It really opened my perspective on the world and I can’t believe how hateful and dismissive I’d be if I didn’t have people in my life that led me to being more compassionate of other people’s perspectives.
The further left you go, and you'll start to realize that the class war is a much stronger unifying force than the right-wing's culture war.
@@Apelles42069 class war is pretty easy when over 90% of the population fall into the same team.
@@Apelles42069 it is the same manipulation technique at least the left one is more inclusive but still pretty shitty. I like his videos he makes great points but often is blind to his own side of politics doing literally the same
Change Blacks with rich people and you will hear a communist speech instead of a far right one.
@@LironBerisha Here's the key difference though, Black people don't have a history of and currently have institutional power. Rich people, on the other hand, have had and will continue to have power over the government to suit their needs. Also nazis are the ones who appropriated socialist rhetoric despite being far right and not having socialist policies (except stausser and his cabal who actually had socialist economic policies, but we all know what happened to them), so blame them for making our rhetoric sound similar.
Conservatives: we live in a meritocracy
Also conservatives: I’m not doing well because we don’t live in a meritocracy
Conservatives: we would live in a meritocracy if not for (fill in enemy)
@@Junebug89 (cactus)
(skeletor)
@@Junebug89 (ghostbusters remake)
(Drain pipes)
I used to be one of these frog men that was spiraling into a world of hatred, racist beliefs, and extreme views. I was in such a bad point in my life, a time of great loneliness and depression, and that came out in the form of vitriol to the world, as if it victimized me. I’m glad I found you and your videos because it was a big contributor to getting out of it, and I’m working towards bettering myself and learning to love others. Thank you so much Shaun.
thanks king ❤️😂
Good on you! :) glad to hear youre doing better! Wish you the best my dude!
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Welcome back.
Welcome!!!
"I want to re-educate you. You gave it a go by yourself, but you fucked up, and now your brain is wrong and needs to be re-programmed." I love you, Shaun.
My boyfriend pulled me out of my schoolwork to come and just watch this part. It is pure gold and also why I love Shaun.
wait, what? are you saying you love this quote so that you can take it out of context to tell people what an idiot Shaun is? or do you just not know that one common excuse they use to call SJWs scary is that *enigmatic they* are trying to "re-educate" their children, turning their good manly boys into trans lesbians? I'm so confused here, can either of you tell me whether you even agree with Shaun?
@@willhendrix3140what? You think re educating people about things they got wrong when they first taught them is bad?
And I can’t see a single reason being trans is bad for people who want to do it.
@@chervoviytuz 10/10 comment, love the confusion about the confusion.
For clarity: I never said that being trans is bad, I said that there are some people (whom I fundamentally disagree with) that say being trans, or being different than a cis straight white male in any way, is bad.
For context: we're talking about 26:56, where he makes some interesting word choices to be talked about in the meat of this comment
Talkin' 'bout *words*: In some groups, "re-educate" is a very scary thing to have happen to you, as it is a euphemism for labor/death camps. Shaun is very aware of this, that is why he makes a point about this. He even shows an edited picture that was likely shared around in some groups to say, "look how scary the left is." His point here is that he is taking the word literally rather than how those groups tell you it's meant to be used in their propaganda.
My question: what I was trying to ask, was if these people were in those groups, saying "Ha, look at this leftist, he even admits that they are trying to reeducate us, what a fool, let me warn my friends: the left really do want to reeducate us" or if they were just taking the comment at face value, as an exclamation that humans should be given basic human rights & that we should teach *the right* that other people are people too, without realizing the context behind it.
TL;DR: "No"
@@willhendrix3140 oh ok I’m stupid
My friends will often tease me about my "villain phase". They're referring to a stage between the age of 13 and 18 where I was one of these frog men. During these years I had a deep rooted hate towards the world because it was unfair, I was deeply insecure about being white and (at the time ;) ) male, and felt that if the "commie rainbow hair lefties" took control of the world I would be punished and hated simply by proxy of being white. it didnt seem fair, and i hated it. I saw this video when it came out, randomly recommended to me, and I watched it and thought of you as a guy who thought he knew everything and ascribed various traits to me without even knowing who i was
ill put it bluntly: you were right. these days ive sinced stepped out of alt-right phase and my outlook on life has genuinely improved. my friends like me a whole lot more and people who hated me back then have become some of my best friends after reconnection. videos like this one, hbomb, big joel, and many others, helped to see that the issue that made me so hateful actually sat within myself and not with the people simply advocating for a fair life themselves.
i also discovered i was trans, which is funny bc if 15 year old me learned this they wouldve killed themselves probably. thank you, shaun for this video.
U were white at the time, but now ur not?
@@jemmunen6052 The (at the time) comes after i say "and" which implies it is no longer related to the former words
I love the frog.
@@r.k845 Enough to convince yourself it loves you back
@@Gilamath. The funny frog says trans rights.
GamerGate was so confusing to me when it happened. I saw people were talking about ethics in games journalism, and I was like, "finally! Some conversations about the inherent conflict of interest in journalists accepting advertising money for advertising the very games they're supposed to criticize and review". I was surprised and befuddled when I looked into it more and Call of Duty wasn't actually the subject of the conversation.
Truthfully it is a shame that "ethics in games journalism" is now a joke instead of the real thing it should have been. I'd love an ethics in gaming revolution, even. Gamers needs to gat challenged more.
@@sleepingdogpro People like Shaun are the ones that made it looks like a Joke. Lying of how it was all about straight young white male and completely ignoring the #NotYourShield movement that obviously proves them wrong. They don't even mention how multiple gaming websites released articles attacking gamers at the same time. And finally, they always try to give importance to the Zoe Quinn controversy... even though that was really irrelevant in GamerGate circles...
@ShiNijuuAKL Holy shit you idiots still exist.
@Arachnofiend Same tbh. I was all about that critquing games stuff, but it turns out it was quite bullshit in the end. Because there is real critisism about games, game companies and game journalists. But now if you just get sucked into the GamerGate bs
I know how that was. I'm a writer and used to be part of gaming journalism (but for a obscure site that no longer exists so whatever). To me, that was an issue that could've and should've been talked about, just like how in regular media, sometimes reporters and editors are a bit too comfortable with advertisers and those they should be holding accountable. But then I saw it almost immediately co-opted into this cesspool of hatred that had nothing to do with ethics at all.
That whole "I used to be one" bit is hard to admit.
I would know. I used to be one too.
I think it happened when I was on reddit clicking the random sub button and I stumbled upon TumblrInAction.
I was on there for a while. God, I'm so glad I got out.
I was too, for around two months. It was when I first found out that RUclips actually doesn't only have music uploaded. I watched some Russian right-winger speaking German on his RUclips channel and, naive 13yo me believed that someone probably controlled RUclips and made sure only true facts where being uploaded. However, 2-3 months later the guy actually said the complete opposite of what he said before (One Time he said Putin is actually left, yes he argued for that, and one time he said that Putin is right and that is good and everyone should be like Putin)! After that I checked what exactly RUclips let on the website and found out that there are very few regulations.... Since then I don't really trust anything I hear on the internet before I check the sources myself
HacksAndSlash you don’t get it, it starts off harmless
@HacksAndSlash It changed. It used to be mocking people who thought things like "it's sexist to be gay because how dare you discriminate against women" and "men deserve to die for the crime of all being universally sexist". Then it slowly changed into mocking people who thought "trans people deserve rights" and "let's maybe not hate gay people for existing".
I was there too, in a sense. Never white nationalist, I think I'm just lucky that my parents are left wing and provided a solid basis of an upbringing for me that prevented me from falling into certain traps. A lot of us got out. I feel like... there's more we could do, to enable that.
You're weak minded
Calling yourself a gamer to me just sounds like calling yourself a movie watcher or a book reader.
Obviously there are people like that. Movie nerds who attend festivals and can name 30 directors and their works, guys in book clubs etc. Just because you do some hobby doesn't need to be a part of your identity but it can be.
To quote Hbomberguy quoting Ruby Rose, “I love books.”
@Charles R. Law Playing the right game can be akin to watching a great movie though, ngl
@Charles R. Law Okay then. We all have our opinions on the matter. :)
Cinemaphile, bibliophile.
These are the real designations for people who enjoy cinema and books, respectively.
I can't believe how true the first argument was. I used to be one of those people in my preteen years, except I'm a girl and I didn't believe gender inequality exists within my league. Plus I saw a lot of 'condescending black people' on the internet and I really thought the whites were the victims.
Of course, that view of mine changed after I discovered the context behind it, and as I grew older, I realize how transparent sexism and racism is especially against minorities.
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I found this channel today, and Three Arrows yesterday, and I'm experiencing this... weird... relief. The sensation keeps coming in little waves, like I can hardly believe it. I keep scrolling down the comments, and I'm not even kidding: I am ALMOST getting a bit choked up! Not actually, mind you, I'm not some sniveling wuss :v but almost choked up guys... :'I
It was like that for me aswell. The last years felt to me like the world around me was taking crazy pills. Right-wing partys are so vocal in almost every western country. Trump, Brexit, Climate change deniers everywhere and suddenly I come across this part of RUclips. The relief about the fact that there are still sane people around was the best feeling I had in a long time.
@@JonasRaphaelKallasch Remember when you could be a conservative or a liberal without either one flinging insults at the other.
Keep in mind, these people don’t really care about you. To them you are simply a pawn. Those who would tell you to be ashamed of your identity, that you all the problem with the world. Look at the world around you, and think to yourself, if not for the white man, would any of this exist?
Count Ravid ...no? That’s never been a thing. I’ve been alive for several elections at this point, and through not a one of them has this been true. And looking back through history, that is the thing that really remains true.
@@coralinekozun7325 But you must admit the divide has grown between the two.
God, this hurts so much to watch, I got suckered into all of this since I was around 13, and took way too long to notice how badly I was messing up. Thankfully the worst things I've done was sharing a few tweets and maybe pushing one or two friends to the right, but I luckily never stooped to the level of watching steven crowder or blackpidgeonspeaks, I thought they were idiots even back then lol
Good job, you say you were 13, that means you're pretty young still, don't fall for any youtube con artists and try to help those who matter to you who get sucked into this kind of criptonazi stuff.
i always hope this is the future of all of those sad boys i knew in middle school who would denigrate the mere concept of Hillary Clinton as a politician, not for any real reasons (of which i have many) but because... she has a vagina. and it always seemed to me that they must have learned the evil, sexist shit they said from drives with dad, meals with an embittered family whose members were looking for something to focus their hate on. i truly hope they escaped and found out that there's a life beyond screens and "political" conversations that turn into conspiracy and hate
my dad is a 65 year old man who still listens to Rush Limbaugh and Tucker Carlson and people like that, I guess some people just never grow out of it do they?
Its surprising how young they get ya. I was watching PJW, Sargon and a some Gavin McInnes at like 14 years old which all started by watching atheist videos at 12.
@uwau lmao you will all die from drinking RAD water while millennials laugh at you
Im 20 years old now, and enjoying this video in 2019. I was a rather mild version of these teenagers who fell into this "feminism sucks" sort of movement and was especially into it at the time as I was an alevel sociology student. Its amazing how time allows you to mature, and I wish I had found content like yours sooner. Keep doing what you are doing.
Good on you, hope you're still doing well
the gumball sjw episode is you
Its embarrassing to think I used to watch Sargon of Akkad unironically
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@@LiamPorterFilms Way too slow to get started, set some time aside if you're gonna try fellows
Gamergate was about states' rights!
States of insanity.
Let me finish your sentence. “States rights to enslave and abuse people of colour!”
Lmaooo
I've realised that memes(politically motivated memes,that is) are basically the modern equivalent of propaganda posters.
no shit lol
You just now realized this?
Ikr? its actually kinda genius since they can look so innocent. The difference i imagine nowadays is that we share them ourselves, by our own accord.
Half the time you can't tell if they are mocking one side or rooting for the other thoo.
Kazuma Kiryu Propaganda were the memes of their time.
Games have *never* been exclusively for "young, white, male nerds." That was an illusion created from Nintendo's decision to put their products in the toys section instead of in the electronics section. And as toys are/were segregated in the US into "boys" and "girls" that meant they had to choose who to market to in the US media, and they choose boys.
I grew up in the 90s. Despite the fact that video games were solely marketed towards boys, pretty much every girl I knew had played video games and liked them. There were also plenty of "girl" games that were released back then as well - further highlighting just how ridiculous the stereotypes are.
I agree with the male marketing decision but not white, especially since Nintendo is an Japanese company.
@@punctuationman334 Watch the ads from the 90s up through today. Let me know how many boys of color you see in them.
Ofc regardless of the marketing, white families were the ones in the 90s up through early 2000s that had the disposable income (on *average* ofc) to afford a video game system.
@@bobhoskins1790 Let me know how many Japanese actors appeared in Nintendo ads created for and aired in the US in the 1980s and 1990s. If you look at the marketing, you can see what demographics they were marketing towards simply by the actors in the ads.
My original comment stated that video games have always been played by ppl that are not white boys, but that became the perception because of how videogames were marketed.
And then I've had a flood of ppl claiming that wasn't true because... "Non-white ppl play videogames too!" Yeah, that's what I said in the first place. I said the *perception* that videogames are for white boys was created by the marketing.
By all the gods in all the heavens and hells, ppl need to learn how to read!
@@punctuationman334 *NOW* they are. That wasn't the image that marketing gave us in the 1980s-early 2000s - which is where the misconception that "video games are for white boys" came from.
I used to constantly watch prageru and videos of Ben Shapiro destroying sjw college students. Since then, I've stopped both of those, and what you said in the video described my feelings at the time. You're possibly one of the best left-wing RUclipsrs I have seen thus far.
watch destiny and secular talk
and then you've started watching these videos instead, which aren't much different.
Ben Shapiro wants to actually get to the base of solutions, he has a history of really good followup questions, even if you don't agree with him.
Also, ben shapiro isn't even alt-right, he criticizes them
Barney Sanders he still spouts a lot of bullshit
@@pixeled9683 lol,Ben shapiro is a fucking moron and is a tool ysed by the alt right to bring people to their side.
Barney Sanders “Ben Shapiro isn’t even alt-right” 😂😂😂
As a bisexual woman, GamerGate is what got me into the anti-SJW world after leaning heavily into the more radical social justice side. I wasn’t even a gamer at the time, I just wanted to be the “logical, enlightened” one, one of the “good ones.” Over time I realized the majority of it was bullshit and got out, which I’m grateful for.
Gay dude, same deal. It’s really good to see that other people are in the same boat.
Edit: now I’m a trans girl lol
Welcome to the gay agenda club, your bags will arrive at some point, and don’t ask what the gay agenda actually is, no one knows
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@@timmythetechpriest5177 😂😂😂
@@timmythetechpriest5177 to quote Lorde: "Your emotional baggage can be picked up at carousel number 2
Please be careful so that it doesn't fall onto someone you love"
I feel bad for that fella that invented the Pepe meme.
I know I certainly wouldn’t like watching my creation become a symbol of Nazis and bigots.
He was pretty upset about it.
He made a campaign to reclaim Pepe but it ended up getting memed and mocked by reactionaries
USS Glow Cloud Figures.
"Nazi BiGoT"
He DMCA'd a lot of Steam Games because pepe was being used in a racist context for the steam community. Or something like that.
I feel like the phrase "we're oppressed! Finally!" sums up Gamers and Gamergate pretty nicely
I didn't want to be able to call myself oppressed, I just wanted normal videogames detached from politcal agendas. So no, not really. Kind of a straw man and a half if you asked me.
Roosevelt video games have never been free from political agenda. a shitton of them are about overthrowing violent regimes which are strongly reminiscent of nazis, which could honestly not be more political if you tried. if the existence of women or people of color is more political or controversial than that to you then idk what to tell you. check out more shaun, philosophy tube, kat blaque and contrapoints i guess?
@@carrier2823 Lol, video games have never ever not been political, and it's not possible for them to be. You're mistaking things that are about you and your in-group as being non political. But they are - but in a way that's complimentary to you. Now imagine that you're someone else. Now they're political. See how that works?
@@carrier2823 Well I'm afraid you'll find that supporting the status quo is political as well.
Yeah holy shit that hit me. Something just clicked and I felt like I understood something that I wanted to put into words for ages. This video has been amazing tbh, thank you Shaun!
Shaun: Trump's also lost the support of Darth Vader, *Frankenstein*
Me: you better not
Shaun: *'s monster*
Me: good
Maxwell Zephyr Frankenstein would support , even though he’s a scientist . Frankenstein’s monster isn’t that bad , while Frankenstein is a last stage capitalist . Same for vader.
Could one not argue that Frankenstein's Monster, being brought to life by Frankenstein, can be considered his child, and therefor inherit the name?
At least he didn't say _doctor_ Frankenstein. Victor never finished his studies.
Nope, Shaun is wrong again. I still support Trump in 2020 against our communist enemies, foreign and domestic. Make the galaxy great again!
let's be real while his creation is more monstrous by appearance Frankenstein is the real monster
smh
I am only sorry I found your site so late. My son is exactly in the disenfranchised group you talked about and I was shocked to find out he felt this way. As a Genx mom I wasn’t prepared for the power of social media and although I knew about it and engaged in it, I had no idea the influence it would have. Thanks for all you do and please keep it up.
Good luck! There's some good material out there in order to help those youngsters, I'm very encouraged by the experiences of the people who left the Westboro Baptist Church, which seemed something impossible to me.
I'm here to call you a cook.
How dare you make food for other people, like some kind of COMMIE.
In defense of communism: they never made any food.
Chairman Meow, genius username
I watch other men eat my food, like a normie cook.
Russian dishes like stroganov. And balika are tastee! Yummy!
But there is no food under communism
>when altright trash usurped and abused pepe for their own gains
feelsbadman
i miss when he was just funny frog. they did him so so dirty
Lord Chungus facts i just want cool funny frog man back
@@clairofan01 We're working on it!
@@JackgarPrime the dank left
Luckily all the classic punished creeps work green texts can still be heartily enjoyed
Alternative video title: "The Kids Are Alt-Right"
"The Alt-Right Kids Make Great Paper Targets"
@@dankasscrow6121 So are the people it's based on.
I prefer "The kids are half right"
Millennials and Gen Zs: People who either care to little or to much
honey, I radicalized the kids
Shaun i'm from the future, and i am proud to say that it was term, not terms.
i'm from the future, and i sadly wouldn't be too sure
It took me awhile but I'm finally out of the alt right echo chamber and now I'm just cringing at the anti-SJW stuff I used to say to my friends and teachers 😂
I didn’t get that deep into it but I was also in those anti-feminist communities in RUclips. These people chose the most extreme and highly emotional reactions they could scum from the Internet and made it seem like everyone on the left was that irrational and crazy and “tRiGgErEd”. It was such a warped view of the world and I’m still amazed that my brain was able to disassociate all that crap I was watching in 2016.
Good for you.
@@sillybilly4710 Same, EXACTLY! As a kid I used to look up "triggered feminist/SJW" compilations & it just makes me feel embarrassed now that I'm a feminist lmao. I think younger me would've hated current me (as a leftist, feminist genderqueer lesbian lol), at least for a little bit
@@caseyv.6679 I absolutely hate my past self. I’m by no means perfect but I have grown so tremendously and many around me haven’t as much unfortunately. But I’m glad everyday I’m not a force of pain to others the way I likely was before.
@@sillybilly4710 dude I used to the same things and thought the left was soo sensitive and were horrible, only being influenced by emotions. As I grew older I started deleting more of my old msgs, taking back things I said, and apologizing to others. So happy I learned how to look at more than one side of the argument
“She had sex, which is usually a frightening concept in and of itself for self-described gamers”
I imagine a bunch of 9 year old kids gasping after hearing the word “boob” on television.
Nah dude, it's the type of incel that believe in Kinder, Kurche, Kirche.
I know that it's a joke.
The societal views you describe, racism in the past and meritocracy and whatnot, are all very much in line with my Florida US public school education. We were taught the timeline of the civil rights movement, riots and all, but racism was presented as a solved issue at the far end. I expect it's difficult for a teacher to present racism any other way to a mixed race class.
That's interesting. At my public school, the first time I can remember ever really considering this issue was after a teacher specifically scoffed at the idea racism was "solved." Ironically a generally very conservative teacher who would go on at length about how great George Washington is.
But my school was one of the best in the state because the local real estate was expensive and taxes were high.
I went to a North Florida public school, I also saw this. It’s the dominant view of the white people here.
I find it funny that the consensus is like that in the classrooms when you can literally ask a kid who is bullied during recess and why.
Ironically, the places where racism is most prevalent are also the places most likely to pretend that it doesn't exist.
Dunderpunch at my louisiana high school, on the very first day in my world history, the teacher asked, “we’re at a war with islam right?” and i shook my head no while i heard a dude say, “yes, sir” to which the teacher said, “no, we aren’t, we’re at war with terrorists who happen to be islamic.” i think if more history teachers asked questions like that when covering a certain subject, like a us history teacher talking about the civil rights movement asking the class, “so racism is over right? wrong.” and then going into a discussion, i think we’d all be better for the conversation that came with it.
of course there’s always gonna be the difficulty with fitting that into the curriculum, but i’m not a teacher so i dont know much about all that
if i watched this four years ago, this comment would have looked alot different.
white nationalism, 'anti-sjw', mens rights, and the right in general is a slippery slope that i have fallen into in the past. i am forever thankful i am within communities that denounce these thought processes, because as a young teen i fell into this. HARD.
people on the right are MASTERS of manipulation. when you are 14, lower middle class, and white; these alt right pipelines are so easy to fall into. i have personally had relationships fall apart because i was hateful.
stay safe
Hey, here's one person saying good on you! I'm glad you ultimately escaped the manipulation, because it's pretty awful.
Every story like yours shared, though, is one step closer! Thank you for helping the good fight. :)
(Sorry for the awkward comment lol, but your openness deserves at least one reply.)
People on the left are also masters of manipulation and it's seen by the media
Barney The Addict okay barney
@@pixeled9683 key word is "also", mate.
So did i , we just gotta learn and move on
Well done Shaun! I manage a bar in Florida and I often find myself talking with a racist. I use humor as much as possible to illuminate other ideas like your economic suggestion. I'ts amazing how much agreement I can muster from these people. I point out raw corruption and stay away from buzz words like capitalism and socialism. Seeds get planted and one can only hope for minds to evolve. Thank you for the video. Am I a gamer if I played pong a few times? JK
I used to watch a lot of these kind of people almost religiously. Thankfully even at my lowest point I considered Sargon and the great replacement to be too extreme for me, and my political ideology never got too far down the pipeline but thankfully knowing better and contra points helped me realize the lies that I had been told for so long
I recommend philosophy tube and innuendo studios. they are also good beans too. im glad you moved away from those reactionary ideas :)
I love the fact that you know ” knowing better ” he is like a silent force, spreading the truth calmly
Knowing Better, the guy who made a video defending Columbus's genocide of native Americans?
Maximilien Robespierre that is a bit of an oversimplification and I’d argue misinterpretation of the video but even so he has made a video addressing his old content and even more specifically that video
Fred Hall I love hbomberguy. His videos are informative and entertaining. Also pretty validating tbh
As a straight white cismale upper middle class...uh, person (didn't think that description through), I have somehow not been convinced by the rhetoric of the..."alt-right"? Not sure what else to call it.
And the thing is, I'm not entirely sure why that is. I feel like I was a perfect candidate. I was absolutely perfectly prone to join this movement, because I feel a lot of the same insecurities that they feel. The feeling of being left out. The feeling of not having something to fight for. The feeling that I may be the bad guy. The frustration of living in a society that, for generations, has generally put me on the top of all other groups of people, and the feeling that, despite all of this, I'm still floundering.
And so it feels like I'm stuck with a binary choice: either I'm somehow being oppressed, or I just...suck. As a person. That I have to change, because I'm not good enough. It's not NECESSARILY that simple, and there may be other possible solutions, but it's hard to see them. So that's all we see.
People hate to admit that there's something wrong with them, that they need to change, that they're not good enough as people, and that they're potentially putting others at risk, intentionally or otherwise. Many, if not most, people need a reason to believe that they're alright, that there's nothing wrong with them, and that they aren't being privileged above others.
And then these movements come into the picture. Things like GamerGate and Trump. Movements telling them that the reason they feel this way is because they really are being oppressed. Because they really are being mistreated. And that they deserve more than this. That they deserve much more, much better than this. Because they're being taken advantage of, lied to.
They think: "Feminism? That's not a movement for womens' rights, that's clearly just a bunch of "whiny bitches" complaining about things that don't matter (Note: I do not approve of calling women "bitches", but that's part of the thought process for many people like myself, and many of them feel that the events leading up to GamerGate somehow justifies it, which it obviously doesn't). They're liars, we need ethics in game's journalism!"
And it goes on from there. They think: "Black Lives Matter? That's not a movement for the rights of People of Color, that's just a bunch of "whiny bitches" complaining about being "brought to justice" by police! After all, it's not just Black people whose lives matter, it's all lives, right? Don't they all matter? So why are they being excluded? Why are White people not being represented? This is oppression! Reverse Racism!"
These movements make them feel validated. They've felt like their fears and insecurities have been justified, that these are things society has to address, because they're definitely wrong. They feel justified in asking why the LGBT community gets to have a pride day when straight people don't. In asking why there's a woman's day but no men's day. And so on.
The frustrating thing is, there are times when they stumble ass-backwards into making good points! There actually are violations of games journalism out there, with publishers manipulating or straight up bribing reviewers and journalists into liking their game more or just saying that they do!
There actually ARE issues affecting men disproportionately that should be addressed, like being expected to always stay strong and never feel emotions, or being expected to always be up for sex, or rarely being trusted with the kids in a divorce, which can harm the kids in cases where the dad would have taken better care of them than the mom.
There actually ARE issues with, say, affirmative action, like it often being too little, too late, and that this should start much earlier in the lifetimes of those who are supposed to be benefited. That more resources should be spent on improving the quality of education going towards these groups, so that they can get into the colleges and other places without the use of affirmative action. That sometimes someone getting into somewhere with affirmative action can struggle there for the reasons previously mentioned.
There actually ARE issues that can lead various groups to commit more crimes, although most of those issues have to do with years and years of oppression, poverty, etc., and not necessarily a problem with their race.
There actually ARE people who probably shouldn't be coming to our country/countries, although generally speaking the groups they're identifying as such aren't the people we should actually worry about. And there actually ARE issues with some nations being underdeveloped (or as Trump would put it, being "sh*tholes"), although much of that can be explained by colonialism, intentional destabilization of their governments by foreign powers (like the USA and the Soviet Union during the Cold War), a lack of resources thanks to the reasons above, lots of poverty also thanks to the reasons above, etc.
And sometimes it really does just suck to be at the top. Standing on the peak of a mountain can make you feel very lonely, very isolated, very excluded, because everyone else is down there, interacting with other people that can relate to their struggles. And you don't feel like you can interact with them, because you feel like your life experience is so alien to theirs that you wouldn't be able to connect and relate to one another.
You feel like you're trapped in a gilded prison. You get lots of nice things, but it just doesn't make you feel any better. Sometimes you feel worse, because you're getting things you feel like you don't deserve, things that everyone should have, things that nobody should have, and so on. And sometimes it feels like nobody trusts you to do the right thing or be a good person because they've had so many experiences of people like you fucking them over. Because you being there reminds them of all the problems that have plagued them their entire life, and you'll feel like a burden just by existing.
And all of this can feel like oppression, whether it is or not. And these movements tell you that yeah, you're being oppressed, that you should fight back and re-earn your freedom.
And you know what? Maybe there's a point there, all things considered. But this sure as FUCK isn't the way to go about fixing it. This movement isn't going to help you. They don't care about you. They're just using you to advance their racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, rich-get-richer, anti-intellectual, etc. agenda.
If anything, this movement is part of what is keeping you down. It's making the guided prison feel more suffocating. It's making you feel more isolated, more out of touch with others. It makes you feel even more uncomfortable when someone brings up civil rights or social justice. It makes you feel more attacked when people suggest that capitalism needs to be modified or replaced. And so on.
And...tbh, I've kind of answered my own question. I couldn't be convinced because, as shitty as I feel now, I couldn't see how this movement would me make me feel less shitty. The world comes off as an unbearable cesspool not just because of how it screws me over, but how it screws over everyone else too. Helping everyone, not just myself, would make the world a more comfortable place for me to live in. Advancing on issues regarding gender and racial inequality will make me feel less awkward interacting with women and nonwhites. Evening the playing field will free me from the gilded cage that gives me nice things at the expense of making me feeling isolated and excluded from society.
I've also met tons of people who have different experiences from mine as a result of being part of other "groups", and some of them have become my closest friends. I saw what the lives of others are like, and so I feel more invested in these issues as a result of wanting my friends to be happy, even when it doesn't directly benefit me.
And I think that's what's really going on here. These men are trapped in a gilded cage. And that's why they feel so jealous of Black Pride, so jealous of Gay Pride, so jealous of other gatherings and communities. Because while these men get to have nice things, it comes at the cost of not being able to relate to other people. And as social creatures, that is really, REALLY bad for them. The very things that privilege them over others are doing more harm than good to their psyches.
But because they're not entirely aware of what's happening to them or why, they've been convinced that someone like Donald Trump will free them from it. But he can't. Even if Donald Trump did what he promised, it wouldn't actually make them feel better. And I think the best way to change their minds is showing them this. Showing them the damage that these moments are doing not just to others, but themselves as well. Because they may feel like these things are other peoples' problems, that it doesn't affect them negatively in any way. But it does. It has for me.
They need more exposure to people not like them, who aren't in their situation. They need to see different perspectives. And I think if all goes well, they'll see that civil rights and social justice movements will benefit them in the long run. That they'll feel better about themselves and the world if we evened out the playing field. That they'll finally feel like they belong when we get there.
nice essay, hope it was worth your time.
I think you need to do a TL;DR on this, mate. Sorry, I would have loved to read it but I read half a page and then I realized it was 3 more pages.
itt, niggas can't read more than 3 paragraphs.
That, my friend... was a masterpiece.
Well said man. This should be a youtube video of its own.
"Leftists and liberals are Marxists." These people who hate "Marxists" don't seem to know much about Marxism despite hating it so much. Liberals and leftists have different beliefs and approaches, similar to how right wing conservatives like Bush and Trump have different beliefs
McCarthyism is alive and well.
Many of these people don't understand that socialism liberalism and communism are different ideologies
@@disappointingperson9162 and don't get me started on how little they know of antifascism and anarchism
@@joelwilcox5424 I'm very confused by anarchism - I dont get the end goal of an anarchist society perhaps you can enlighten me on some things: if the private individual cannot own the means of production and there is no state, what stops a private group or individual from seizing the means of production? Whatever stops this, how is it not a state? If it is a state but a small one, how small would it be if protecting all the means of production in a territory? have i misunderstood something or does this inherrently make no sense? As far as I can see the same issue applies to free-markets. I dont see how trade, or need/value discovery works
@@supertrooper6011 No that makes sense and it’s a very common and reasonable question people have about anarchism. In my opinion there a three safeguards against this scenario.
a) To seize said means of production one would need an army. At present some soldiers enlist in the military out of a sense of patriotism or perceived duty and would be unlikely to join a private army. Many others join the army because it provides a education and decent income. However in an anarchist society, moneyless or not, these things would be meaningless or redundant.
b) who would work there? Worker solidarity and unionism are a central tenant of most anarchist movements and I imagine if someone claimed a factory, farm etc everyone would just walk. Without the threat of homelessness and starvation I can’t imagine workers not standing up for the free and democratic approach to work there grown accustomed to.
c) Just because there’s no state doesn’t mean communities aren’t capable of defending themselves. I imagine the aforementioned workers and those driven by the principles of mutual aid would take up arms to defend the communally owned means of production. Anarchism also doesn’t inherently mean no government style organisation (libertarian municipalisation is worth looking into), it can mean directly democratic participatory assemblies and/or unions, and instead of a standing army per se, citizens militias could routinely be assembled for situations like this.
Anarchists tend not to advocate for an overnight transition to a stateless, classless society overnight and big part of anarchist praxis is education, community building, working towards a society where solidarity, social and ethical motivations build community defence as effectively as the coercion of the state (and capital)
It’s worth noting that anarchism is a pretty flexible and diverse ideology and its worth looking at how libertarian socialist (but not explicitly anarchist) societies like Rojava and the Zapatistas handle this problem, as well as historical societies such as revolutionary Catalonia and the Ukrainian territory. I’m also approaching this from a particular perspective and the lovely folks over at r/anarchy101 might have different answers.
(Bloody leftists and their overly long and tangential answers to things amiright 🏴🚩)
Now I understand why I got banned from r/FULLCOMMUNISM after stating I was a gamer.
I can’t tell how much of a joke this is and I don’t know how to feel about that
@@DeathnoteBB ikr! :D
If this isn’t a joke, r/FULLCOMMUNISM are shitheads.
the thing is men ARE victims. they're victims of patriarchy. the idea that they must succeed/be breadwinners/be strong and confident all come from patriarchy. so if they want something to fight for...fight the patriarchy
@Leif Eriksson citation needed
Leif Eriksson lol they get 50% and it goes both ways. fuckin everythin my ass
@Leif Eriksson Divorce courts are part of the patriarchy. Despite its name, the patriarchy is not always strictly beneficial for men, it merely is something that has been set up by men for the purposes of enforcing gender roles.
When women come out of a divorce with much of their husbands possessions it is largely because she did exactly what society told her to do. Marry a guy with a good job and money, and live as a house wife without much in the way of personal income.
The issue with this way of life is that when a divorce happened, women were at extreme risk of essentially being left with little in the way of money or marketable skills, since their husbands had effectively abandoned them by leaving them, or they would be trapped in abusive marriages they couldn't leave for fear of starving without their husbands. Thus divorce courts, sympathetic to the plights of these poor defenseless women, instituted measures to ensure that they wouldn't starve on the streets after the divorce, by forcing their former husbands to provide for them out of their own pockets through asset division, as well as alimony and child support.
Of course there were some obvious problems to this. While this did help divorced women to avoid starvation, it did allow for exploitation of the system by unscrupulous women who could theoretically marry and divorce a man just to take his stuff.
And while availability of divorces could help women get out of unhappy or abusive relationships, giving a woman stuff didn't precisely help them live independently.
Essentially while the system currently in place tried to help women, it came from a flawed patronizing place, and ultimately helps to enforce patriarchal norms that assume that wives will always be the victims in need of care after a divorce.
What is ignored in all of this is the actual feminist position, which would effectively be that women shouldn't have to need to live off of another's paycheck, because they should all be able to work and make their own money and not be forced to be dependents. After all, the feminist ideal of the independent working woman would make far less (if any) money in a divorce settlement than the patriarchal ideal of the stay-at-home housewife.
Feminist does not always mean "personally benefiting women". The ideal of feminism is to break down gender role barriers. Some of these barriers can actually be exploited by women for personal benefit, but most reasonable feminists would still say that they are symbols of unfairness and need to go.
As another example. In one court case, a woman managed to get acquitted of a reckless driving and child endangerment charge because she claimed that the reason for being so aggressive on the road was because she was on her period at the time. Even though a woman benefited from the case, feminists were not happy with the case result, because they've been fighting against the idea that periods made women less capable of controlling themselves and this woman effectively used hers as an insanity plea.
@Leif Eriksson Yup, the patriarchy can screw men over as well. Feminism certainly isn't the cause of property division in divorce. The code of Hammurabi (aka the oldest written code of law in history) had a law requiring that husbands had to provide their ex-wives adequate money to raise their children if they wanted to separate from them. Alimony was outlined in the Code of Justinian (code of Roman law in the Byzantine Empire)
If anything feminism has been making alimony less common over time. The modern alimony laws have their roots in English Ecclesiastical courts, wherein payment was guaranteed to separated wives based on the idea that the divorce could not be finalized in most circumstances (because of Catholicism), and therefore it was thought that a husband's duty to his wife did not end just because they were not living together.
Even when real divorce became more common in the 19th century, it was usually predicated on the idea that one partner had committed some wrong upon the other (such as adultery). Alimony was thus considered more of a punishment for a cheating husband, with it being withheld from wives that were found responsible for marital misconduct.
Once no-fault divorces were instituted. (Aka our current system, wherein you don't need a reason to have a divorce.) Alimony became even less common, typically only awarded when fault was discovered.
Do you see the course of this? It used to be that men had to pay alimony in almost any circumstance? Then it was only if their wife was the one asking for the divorce, and now it's usually only if they were likely responsible for marital misconduct. Ironically as divorce has become easier (Something that has been part of the feminist movement from the beginning) alimony has become less common.
@Leif Eriksson I haven't reported you. You've acted within youtube guidelines thus far in our debate, by my reckoning at least.
Unless you're referring to some post that I can't see? I confess I just got back from work so you may have posted something today that someone else reported.
Regardless, I'm open to continuing our debate if you had something else to say.
"The frog men WANT to be oppressed." That is a very good take on the situation.
Anti-Social Media +
Gotta net those oppression points.
I understand perfectly, cuz I used to be like that as well. I had SJW friends when I wasn't one. Friends with bad family situations, with divorced or single parents. Friends who were gay. Friends with depression. And I remember thinking, "I want to help but I can't. All I can do is sit here, acknowledge how bad they have it, and then go back to dealing with my own problems. I don't belong. I don't have a place at the table. My problems aren't REAL."
And I think that's it. They want their problems to be real, they want to heard, they want to be acknowled.
Certainly puts a different spin on all the times they say someone with nonbinary gender is "doing it for attention". Projecting as usual I see
you sound like the typical beta suck-up who is willing to let anyone step all over you for a pat on the head
Nice bait...
i want to thank you Shaun , the other day i remembered this video and how dismissive i was of you. im not white but i found myself in the trap of trying to defend the "dying" white race and being an active troop of the alt right. and i remember clearly dismissing your warning thinking i would never change my views they're set in stone, im fighting for the correct cause. of course i wasn't i was a misguided child that fell into the meme trap that soon encompassed my world views. you're right you did plant those seeds in me 3 years later i detest everything i stood for i was a truly racist person. thank you, i know you may not see this but i want to let you know that your words arent being thrown into a void they're heard and they helped, i didn't realize you were correct at the time but i do now. so funny to think i was 14 15 16 and i believed in that ridiculous ideology, but thank you for for planting those seeds in my head and helping me escape that alt right hell hole.
❤️
I just want non alt right symbol pepe back
Honestly, I'm glad the Nazis took that meme. It was getting far too stale. Now I don't have to see it any more.
@@ax14pz107 You haven't been on twitch.tv recently, I suppose?
@@TimeTraveler-hk5xo if I am I turn the chat off because I don't see what the point of a long stream of emoticon memes is for.
@@IndustrialFan666 right can't meme
@@ax14pz107 I think you might be hanging around the wrong twitch communities then. Though maybe I should not say that. We all have different tastes. I just tend to watch smaller streamers where is a lot less of a problem.
You know you fuckedup when skeletor no longer backs you
We also know what Vader can do when he says no to an emperor. :)
I'm late to these videos, but your channel is giving me life
It makes me so happy when people can criticise their enemies compassionately but without dulling the edge of the critique
haha... 'enemies' - apparently I was melodrama yesterday
straight white guy here, pulled myself out of homelessness a few times over the last 10 years and every time i did, wondered why i wasn't praised for having literally pulled myself up out of a homeless shelter by the bootstraps
it was only after accomplishing this the fourth and final time i realized that even at my lowest point, i still had more opportunity in front of me than many of the disparaged communities and types of people in the so-called 'richest nation on earth'
I can also say I'm only alive because white middleclass privilege has kept mental health professionals at my reach, otherwise I would've quitted this not-funny-at-all game long ago. Lived in hell most of my life, still live with my mistreater, too unable to work to emancipate... but now I have ideas based on compassion and understanding, not hate and belief. I have hope, it feels very baseless sometimes considering my circumstances, but it keeps me going.
Jane Elliott said something similar, that I could be penniless in the gutter nothing to my name and could still say 'Thank God I'm white'
Came to check this out again after seeing all the frogs huffing copium.
new shipment coming through Copesen
Honestly, it's weird how it went from Frogmen, memes and disappointment after the election to QAnon, literal Nazis and coups.
@@fluffynator6222 learning that 8 chan poisoned the already quite shaken psyche of the frogmen feels like something that was made up. none of this feels real, and yet, here we are
This is... possibly the most important youtube video I've ever watched. This speaks to me on so many levels.
Hey, everyone in the comments who is speaking about how they changed viewpoints and “woke up” and everything - big round of applause to you guys. It feels like a lot of people right now aren’t willing to think critically about their own beliefs, especially in a climate as extreme as white nationalism or the likes. Good for you guys for taking that leap.
"caring about your race is extremism"
Joe we both know that’s it not really about “caring about your race”. don’t lie to yourself.
@@cas3811 Please explain to me what's going on inside of my brain, Mr Freud.
@bdarecords1 Perhaps it will turn me into a great intellectual, such as yourself. Thank you!
German Resistance yeah i totally agree dude. and i think “waking up” is probably an inaccurate term because changing your opinion in such a drastic way takes a long time and is a pretty gradual process. thanks for being chill!
This past week, my fiancée and I went to the funeral of her grandfather--a Black man who fought in the Korean War in the '50s and later served as the head chef of Folsom prison. I can guarantee you that man faced a fucking enormous amount of racism and bigotry throughout his life. He only just passed. His son was born before the Civil Rights amendment was passed. He gave the euology. All this Civil Rights stuff JUST FUCKING HAPPENED. It's not ancient history. Some of my future family members lived through it. And I don't mean lived through it like my white parents did. I mean they fucking lived through it.
it's wild to learn that slavery as a we knew it was still happening into the 1950s because the owners sucessfully isolated their slaves & families such that they didn't hear the news of emancipation. another wild thing is how the american for profit prison industrial complex specifically exploits a loophole in the 13th amendment, legalizing modern slavery, often in the same lands that used to be plantations.
I used to be one of these fuckers but you and a couple of others have changed my mind
Alfred South I know this is an old comment, but out of curiosity, was there anything in particular that got you away from that culture? How long were you a part of it?
+Alfred South - that's really admirable. I've had views I regret having and I've had my mind changed by listening to (in my experience) more informed people than myself, and it's always comforting to know other people have similar experiences to me. I like to think we're all growing and learning together.
I think the funniest part about the whole ‘but when is international MENS day’ argument they try to pull is that there actually IS an international Men’s day. They just don’t know about it because they don’t care about having their own day until they can use it to ‘prove’ international women’s day is stupid
What you described is also pretty similar to Michael Kimmel's book "Angry White Men: American Masculinity At the End of an Era". It was written shortly before Trump announced his candidacy and does not cover GamerGate and related movements, so it does not discuss those directly, but it does discuss the phenomena that lead directly into them. What you said about society saying that those guys ought to be powerful while they actually feel powerless is something Kimmel refers to as "aggrieved entitlement": they are angry that they are not as successful as their myths tell them they ought to be, and they do not have a lot of good language to describe and articulate their position and perspective. The result is that they tend to be highly suggestible to movements that say, "Those people over there arguing for special rights are distorting the system!"
Relatedly, that Kimmel also noticed is that these guys kept the faith in "the American dream" longer than could be reasonably expected. As an article of faith, they cannot accept that the "ideal" system itself has let them down, that it must be the result of sabotage by actors who are unfairly rigging it against them. He wrote that they certainly have very real problems that morally ought to be address, but they are very poor at identifying the causation of those problems, easily projecting the cause onto other demographics rather than seeing impersonal (and uncaring) systemic forces at work.
So like, they're believing they're late bloomers. This kinda explains a lot.
I know it's been 3 years and you'll most likely never see this comment but whatever. I fall right in the category of the people you described in the video(except the whole "I'm a gamer and I'm proud of that cringe) and this video opened my eyes a little and gave me a lot to think about, and although
I'm not an American I think I'll start actively participating in my country's politics and start doing my own research before casting a vote. All in all, I just want to thank you for this truth bomb.
I hug you too as I went through similar stuff
For those who ask "Why is it that straight white men cant be proud of their race/gender/sexuality but other people can?", well... There is something tricky about the English language:
See, the term "I feel proud of X" can mean "I have no shame of X", but it can ALSO mean "I feel that I am better then everyone else because X". When people say they are proud of being black, they mean they are not ashamed of being black. When people say they are proud of being gay, they mean they are not ashamed of being gay. So, I just want you to awnser one question: Would you say you are simply "Not ashamed" of being a straight white male? Or do you believe that, because you are a straight whit male, you are inherently better then anyone who isnt?
Nobody should be ashamed of their race, gender, or sexuality. But nobody should believe either of those things makes you superior either.
Well put its only some people that think that white guys can't be proud of who they are.
Well you can't deny that white men becomes an slur in current discourse.
It's so stupid because you have to be proud of yourself to be an accepting person.
Self-love and self-respect are essential to a good society.
Your whole comment is assuming peoples motives based on their identity, that's disturbing.
I see no logic whatsoever in this bullshit. You're basically saying that pride is only acceptable if you're not-white, because if you're white you're clearly saying that others are inferior: But if you're black, that's not the case. Good logic, bro. In our modern era with the new anti-white left, being white is actually more of a stigma than being black. But you're simply hating white people bro, at least white males : So you don't care about logic or paradoxes, you just wanna justify your own hatred
Isn’t that kind of a double standard though? “This person can say they’re proud of ‘X’, but if you say it you’re racist”
JoeNoshow27
>being strait white male is inmediately associeted, in the minds of equal rights supporters, as meaning whites are superior to others.
>inmediatly associated in the minds of equal rights supporters as superior.
>inmidiatly associated in the mind
>in the mind
You have just admitted people have fallen for propaganda and associated white/European identity as bad.
Everyone can be their own community and persue their own groups interests , but if Europeans group together and act as a collective thats rascist? Thats opressive? Every group can be a part of the nation but European groups cannot and should not because as they are the mayority, they effectively "oppress" the rest? Being European isnt Equal?
What a load of BS. What do you expect if you live in a European Nation? You are bullying the mayority! Into feeling threatened by ejecting them from cultural participation. You need to stop it. Its going to destroy you.
The ppl who raised our parents had grandparents that were alive during slavery. It's insane at BEST to think that it should have zero affect on modern times
There is slavery today.
okay and? Serfdom in Russia was abolished in 1861, later in the Russian colonies, yet noone talks about that.
@@badboyfrom1 then talk about it. That had nothing to do with my year old comment
@@erikbarrett85 my point is, there is nothing extraordinary slavery existed 200 years ago as an institution. It's over, time to get over it.
@@badboyfrom1 first of all, nobody is "under it" in order to get over it. It's a legitimate explanation of SOME realities in the present, born of the past. Like LITERALLY all things, especially things white ppl take pride in.
But say they're not over it..... You say they should be, why? Why should a people, still treated in a derogatory fashion and who have documented damage done in the form of less communicable wealth, be made to "get over" anything?
You called it!! Now a 8 Chan troll shoots up a mosque memeing the entire time.
@Newdude12 Must have missed that, what happened exactly?
@Newdude12 Oooh yeah right. I'm an idiot.
One thing always annoys me about some men is that when we (women) try to talk about our problems we have to dampen it down or say, "but what about men?" in a completely unrelated context to avoid being accused of man hating or biased/we don't care about men. No, but we want to discuss our problems too.
Its very easy to dispel and move on in the discussion if you have 3 working brain cells. Meanwhile people get butthurt and derail everything, there making "what about men" perfect troll red herring.
@@EnhancedNightmare this is so pitifully unaware of reality. Asking “what about men?” is a dog whistle and telling women “oh it’s easy to dispel and move on” is adorable. Is that how you think actually works? That this is actually some kind of “free market of ideas?” How gullible can you be to completely ignore all of the psychological, historical and sociological context of all of this. Instead of lecture women on shit that doesn’t exist, tell fuckwad trolls to stop trolling and that it’s actually fucked up and sadistic to think this is all a cute game
I just discovered shaun's videos this week. (Im a little older than many youtube fanatics) i just want to say that i have seen some really hopeful developments in my time as a history teacher. I am quite close to a number of my former students. My best friend is in fact much younger than me and we only met bc he randomly signed up for one of my classes in his second year of college. When we met he was [sigh] a 'libertarian'. I put that word in quotes bc he didnt really understand politics at all. He had no knowledge of any economic theory. In fact he had no understanding of any nuances of history. When i talk to him now it is like he is a different person. He credits my classes and our subsequent friendship for this but in reality all i did was give him something else with which to identify. In his case it was marxist theory. In other words your ending statement about identity politics is at least in my own experience entirely correct. These young and predominantly male voters are not stupid at all. They are totally disenfranchised but dont have any inkling of WHY bc our education system is so paltry ineffective and boring that they basically HAVE no education. Especially in history.
This is in no way their fault. I do not blame them for watching videos by the likes of thoughty2 or god forbid, sargon af akkad. In fact they have a great desire for information about why they have been disenfranchised and by whom.
This is the draw of the alt right. It gives a viable explanation for their own individual situation.
Our responsibility is to give them an alternative. So, from me to you, shaun (and jen if she was working on this too. Im not sure what the chronology of your channel is), thank you. I really think you are doing a great job.
Oh a fellow teacher. Though I'm from Brazil.
Thank you! I think it's so important to state clearly that these guys ARE oppressed, as we all are under capitalism. That's what is ruining everything...not feminism. That's the problem that is draining the purpose from their lives.
As well as society shoveling harmful male gender roles and toxic masculinity down their throats from an early age...forcing them into a corner where they have no coping mechanisms to deal with their feelings without feeling weak and feminine and sacrificing their ego. I just wished they could realize how feminism can help them, by doing away with their harmful gender roles and the bullshit that hurts men too!! Arguably more in certain ways. Hey, I can finally escape men consumed by toxic masculinity, but they can't escape themselves. I see so many men suffering and it breaks my heart. :(
It's time to evolve.
I don't know, sigh. I think it's so important to acknowledge their feelings of being a victim, so we can explain WHY that actually is! Blame the system...and the people actually in charge. The rich.
another video by my favourite skeletal scouse.
what a time to be alive.
Skeptical scouse, I now can't get the image of an intellectual looking beef stew out of my head
No one:
Shaun: *casually throws shade at how godawful the US education system is*
They need to stop teaching the bible and start teaching critical thinking processes
@@kris2672 the rich will never allow that because critical thinking that's their biggest kryptonite
@@kris2672 you know it’s illegal to teach the Bible in school right. Or at least forbidden. Most of the educational problems are with funding and the children not the school itself or the teachers. I know we think students are innocent but most of them do not listen to the teachings or care to expand their horizon of critical thought.
@@someonenew439 what about that athiest family that got ran out of their town for reporting a teacher teaching God's absence.
That ending was pretty chilling. I'm an American Jew and I'm honestly pretty scared for my safety in the near-future in this country. If it's difficult for anyone reading this comment to wrap their heads around this statement, I'll try to paint a more vivid picture for you:
I am regularly exposed to blatant, violence-advocating anti-semitism on a variety of public platforms on the internet. This includes very mainstream platforms like Facebook and RUclips (there are a *lot* of anti-semites on RUclips). There are people who literally believe that Jews should be burned alive, gassed, and mutilated because of some vague idea that we control all the banks and media or something. In reality, they are oppressed by capitalism, an economic system which has been exploited to the point where less than one percent of the population owns the vast majority of the wealth. These people fail to recognize that I am oppressed by the same system, even though I am a Jew. I am not a rich banker. I do not control any major media outlets. I'm a working-class American. I have a 9-5 job, I pay rent, and most of the money I earn goes towards paying off the massive debts which I owe. My bank account reads a positive number, but if my debts were taken fully into consideration, my actual net worth is probably somewhere in the negative tens of thousands. In short, that means I literally have to do labor to survive in this country, just like any other working-class person. When viewed through an economic class lens, we are literally brothers, but these people think I should be murdered because I had a bar-mitzvah when I was thirteen. It's an absurd and frightening position, but it's shockingly common on the internet.
However, these people don't just keep their violent tendencies on the internet. It's not just something people are typing out behind the anonymity of the internet to blow off steam. Look at videos of the Charlottesville, Virginia protests over the statue of Robert E. Lee. There were large groups of people chanting "Gas the kikes" in unison. There are literally people physically gathering together (wielding torches, mind you) because they all share a hatred of Jews and other minority groups. These are the sorts of things that lead to people actually getting killed (indeed, one person was killed in Charlottesville, tragically). Some people are stepping outside the realm of spoken (or written) language and into the world of physical reality, and my physical body feels kind of threatened by that, especially since I look like a Jew racially.
Having said that, I understand that the people who are gathering together for such violent gatherings are a statistical minority. However, that doesn't really make me feel more comfortable, because I'm not concerned about a small group of anti-semites gathering together so long as the society I live in generally condemns their actions. This is where things get really scary for me, because I don't think we live in a society that generally condemns violent anti-semitism. In fact, my experience in life thus far has suggested to me that a large number of Americans are, at best, indifferent about anti-semitism. I know that's anecdotal, but I'm not really trying to argue any particular point: I'm really just trying to convey my experience to anyone who is skeptical that I have any real reason to be afraid as an American Jew right now. Anyway, here's one particularly vivid anecdotal story: I went to college in a pretty politically-left town. When I was living in the dormitories (we were required as first-year students), I lived with a bunch of other students who found out I was Jewish and relentlessly bullied me for my background for the entire school year. They would draw swastikas on my door, throw food through my window at my computer while I was studying, and make inappropriate comments about the size of my penis. Indeed, it was disturbing and definitely not-okay, but I never felt physically threatened. However, even though these guys never threatened me physically, I couldn't see them standing up for me in that type of situation, either.
So, to sum up, I'm freaked out, but not because there's a small group of people with torches who want me to die in a gas chamber. I'm freaked out because there's a small group of people who want me to die, and there's an even larger group of people who don't really seem to care. I don't think a lot of the people I know would stand up for me if there was an angry mob with torches knocking at my door.
Combine all of that with the way that some Americans fail to recognize the difference between Judaism and Zionism, and you've really got a recipe for disaster. For those who don't know, Judaism is a culture (some combination of religion, music, food, tradition, and ethnicity), and Zionism is the political opinion that Israel, as it exists now, is a legal state. The important thing to recognize here is that these two positions are mutually-exclusive. That is, you can be a Zionist without being a Jew and you can be a Jew without being a Zionist. An example of a Zionist who is not a Jew is Donald Trump. An example of a Jew who is not a Zionist is me. I do not believe Israel is a legal state. I believe that America used the displacement of Jews after the holocaust to establish a military stronghold in the location we now know as Israel for control over foreign resources such as oil and opium, and that millions of Palestinians have been displaced (even killed) in order to establish that stronghold. Many people I come across on the internet believe that, because I am a Jew, I must also be a Zionist. This really scares me, because if things start to escalate in the US over the conflict in Israel (which it might given Trump's ultra-Zionism), I don't think I will be viewed favorably just because I'm Jewish, even though I'm an anti-Zionist.
Hopefully that helps clear things up. I'm hoping I somehow reached the mind of some young alt-righter who might not realize how anti-semitism really does affect people's lives. I have been affected by it greatly throughout my life, which is pretty ironic because I'm not even a practicing Jew. I'm actually an atheist. I'm more of a cultural Jew. I celebrate Jewish music, I eat Jewish food during the high holidays, I embrace the fact that I was raised as a Jew with other Jewish children in my community, and my ancestors were Ashkenazi Jews (making me racially Jewish). It's a part of who I am, but not in the way one might assume at first, and there's so much more to me than just being a Jew. It's amazing to me that such an insignificant part of my identity (from my own perspective) has made people do such awful things to me throughout my life, and even to wish that I would be murdered or horribly mutilated. Let that sink in.
A lot of people get bullied in school according to how they self-identify. It's a way for young people to sort each other out and find out who is strong and weak and work toward hierarchy/cohesion. Most conservative Christian Americans support Israel and are very tolerant of Jews. Leftist organizations like the ADL and Zionist organizations like AIPAC are not winning friends among common Americans. What American conservatives want to know is - why is it that American Jews are socially conservative and yet they vote for destructive Leftist policies?
@@lacedemonians I think we might be talking past one another here. For me, being Jewish isn't really a political position. It's just a way of life that I was brought up with. I'm just pointing out that there are people out there who literally want me dead for that, and I'm saying that that's pretty fucked up. I'm definitely not trying to start a debate about social policy. I'm just sharing my experiences and hoping that it resonates with people.
@@tonyrigatoni766 - Being Jewish certainly should NOT be a political position. But for various historical and modern sociological reasons, it is.
I agree with you that anti-Jewish sentiment is becoming more socially and politically acceptable. I view anti-white sentiment as also becoming more socially acceptable. But whites are not nearly as vulnerable as Jews. I'm an older conservative. I've long admired the Jewish people.
Funny enough, I despise Islam, but I've had several Muslim friends.
Nobody knows for certain how they would react in a life or death situation. I would hope that I would risk my life to save unjustly targeted innocent people of any ethnicity or religious affiliation.
Actually, many men (including myself) have plenty of physical courage. It's moral courage that is difficult.
Tony Rigatoni “I’m freaked out because there’s a small group of people who want me to die, and there’s an even larger group of people who don’t really seem to care.” And that’s exactly why atrocities have been committed against minorities and especially Jewish populations throughout history. You don’t need a society that is explicitly anti-(insert vulnerable population here as a scapegoat). You just need enough people to be indifferent and willing to ignore it happening.
Anakin Skywalker “Being Jewish certainly should not be a political position. But for various historical and modern sociological reasons, it is.”
What political position or policy is being advocated for by being Jewish? This guy literally explained that you are not tied to the Zionist movement by being Jewish, and there are no other policies I can think of that you are assumed to support (by a rational person I suppose) if you are Jewish.
This is golden.
I've been that white cis straight young guy in 4chan once, and it was very rewarding somehow. I've grew out of it only by having my college classmates (i'm coursing psychology, so mainly women) reeducate me about what's really going on on the world. I've been also really resistant torwards the progressist ideals, but eventually, I got convinced. It's for the better, the world makes more sense now.
This is a situation that's hard to grow out of, mainly because of human tendencies to confirmation bias and general stubborness.
I hope that more people can be revived just like I did, and you're doing a good job on this, Shaun!
Keep it going, I really like your videos.
As many others have said, I had the exact same experience as a 12-13 year old browsing /pol/ all day. It really fucks your mental state, thank God I am out of it.
What great place to spend your developmental years.
@@Vitorruy1
So glad I spend that time watching LPs by a wholesome guy in his 30s. I feel like that's something that really stabilized me... ^^"
@@fluffynator6222 I am jealous
Feminism isn't ruining video games, capitalism is!
His "It's hard to criticize capitalism in America" threw me off until I saw the video was almost two years old.
capitalism is the cause of RUclips...and feminism suck no matter what your political beliefs...it's garbage
Actually, both are.
@Bot #10110 How recent is "only just"? MvC3's day one, on-disk DLC and the Mann Co. Supply Crate were instituted a decade ago. I'm sure with a bit of thought we could come up with even earlier examples of corporate greed affecting the quality of the product for consumers, and god knows how bad for how long working conditions have been in an industry that worships at the altar of crunch time.
"Capitalism"... I'd say that greedy, uncreative and lazy game developers ruin them most of all. You know, not only those who insert women and minority characters in games, only to pander to their audience, and raise controversy about it (instead of doing it in a genuine way, that is to make the game more interesting and raise some questions about our society); but also - and more importantly - those, who shove microtransactions everywhere and divide games into like 8 DLCs.
“When is international men’s day?”
It’s November 19th. I know because it happens to be my birthday.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the theory that the Alt-Right just want to proudly contribute to a group and have an identity. On a smaller and less offensive scale, this desire to be a part of something and have an identity is likely why bronies were a thing. I also love the alternative to white supremacy you give them in class identity because minorities and majorities alike can experience classist oppression.
I can’t believe you’re coming for us gamers (the most oppressed group in society). Shame on you.
Praise Geraldo Rivera.
GAMERS RISE UP
Please tell me you are being sarcastic.
@@jenneast8611 Yes it's a joke referencing a meme made popular by this subreddit:
www.reddit.com/r/GamersRiseUp/
@@asdkfljlksdafuioasdf dont link that subreddit please, its hardly ironic anymore
You know, I'm kind of an environmentalist, but tbqh I wouldn't be _too_ concerned if Frog Men became an endangered species.
InnerPartisan it will die out like all memes
And be replaced with something else, something the same.
Drifloon check rule 34 they're already pretty gay ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Drifloon Don't turn them gay, what would that do to our performing arts? Have you no culture you philistine?!? ;)
Actually Kekistan has only gotten stronger because 4chan/8chan actually get shit done, unlike crybabies on youtube.
I was alt-right before it was cool. Back when i was a teenager in the late 80s and early 90s I hung out with a lot of John Birchers. I got better after a while, but I never thought I'd see all that stuff become mainstream. You're doing good work. Keep it up.
" 'Make America great again' is a threat to most people" you really hit the nail on the head there
You don't belong in America if you're threatened by that.
it's a good thing that 3rd world aliens deem themselves threatened by civilisation-builders asserting themselves. they can all go back and make their respective nations great for the first time ever in recorded history
Michael Black Spoken like a true fascist. Well done.
Mark Ganus you aren't building any civilization from your mom's basement.
Mickey Smythe holy shit 🤣
I'm in the age range of most of the "Alt-Right", and I think I'm very lucky to have been exposed to political an economic theory at a young age. God knows I could be praising kek if my dad wasn't an economist.
Forget about your communist father and join us brother! Shadilay!
Buğra Ok
RockedCasbah You dare disparage the name of Kek?
***** Yeah. I mean you're nation will fail like all nationalistic societies.
Seems like your exposure to economics failed spectacularly if you are a commie.
Is there anything more cringey than that "I'm a gamer not because I have no life but because I chose to have many?"
More like sad, not cringy...
Yes, many things are more cringy; some of them are described in this video. Getting into gaming because you want to role-play a variety of characters is a positive attitude, the opposite of the ‹OMG, a female PC, I'm so oppressed› attitude of Gamergate.
@rebecca triggered I dunno, if you spent much of your youth being bullied it's easy to see why you might take solace in that stuff. The cancer is when people try to turn them from there to alt right or reactionary shit.
why? i think its quite ok. a bit loud but a nice argument. if u look at it in the context of loving games as art, a a powerful medium. not in the context of denouncing dumb racist incels calling themselves gamers
@@TiMonsor I appreciate literature as an art, but I would never try to say that I have many lives because I read many books. It's pathetic because it's a tacit admission that certain obsessive gamers aren't engaging in real life, and they don't even see that as a problem. No appreciation of art is so important that it justifies devoting all your time to it.
Watching this video again was honestly so bittersweet. Went from being one of the people he talks about to escaping from that toxic mindset like many people in the comments here and boy does it feel weird to look back
This- like all your others- is an excellent video.
Confession time: I flirted with this nonsense for 6-12 months at age 15-ish when I still thought I was a cishet (HAH! HAH! Funny joke right?).
I was never overtly a Nazi and I never harassed anyone or anything like that, but I jumped on the gamergate bandwagon and listened to people like the amazing atheist, nodding along in agreement without any understanding of context.
Your talk about the 'gamer' identity filling a void resonates with me- repressing my gender caused a massive degree of depression and emptiness for a long time, and without a coherent understanding of gender (my own or the broader set of constructs in general) I turned to the 'sjw' scapegoat to explain it. I identified as an 'egalitarian' in opposition to both the reactionary right and the straw-feminist constructed by the crypto-fascists I was surrounded by.
Contextualizing all this ridiculousness also helped me understand that I'm allowed to reject my assigned gender altogether, alleviating a lot of the pain that toxic phase had failed to.
I was fed a lot of lies by a lot of toxic people while I was young, impressionable and vulnerable, and my bitterness at that fact will never fully dissipate. I'm simultaneously ashamed at the ridiculous and destructive ideas I bought into, and proud of the fact that I never used them to hurt people like I was pressured to.
I don't really have any answers for others in these circles, as I know my experience is fairly unusual. I feel an obligation to share, though- if only as another reminder that you can, and should, reject toxic falsehoods when they fail to stand up to basic scrutiny.
I had a similar story. I got into gamergate until Milo showed up and thought the whole thing got co-opted by the right. I loved the amazing atheist and watched his videos but always thought he was just making hyperbolic statements about feminism.It was always about him debating a teenvogue femnism and it got irritating since it was the same BS arguments from obvious, uneducated crazies.
Then I just got bored of the shit. For someone who always talked rationalism in the face of religion and anti-vaxxers, they spent all their time "debating" with the same people. And if you watch the "anti SJW" group after awhile it got to the point where one buzzfeed article was causing everyone to circle jerk the same article because they ran out of any one of any importance to complain about.
The money grubbing became obvious and at the same time I felt there wasn't an alternative until I found Shaun and Jen, Hbomberguy, and Contrapoints. Real intellectuals that did't bother making videos circle jerking the same articles and cringy people for cash and views.
Roux Phoenix my views? two people, bill Maher and Marilyn Manson
power to all of ya, just remember not to bask in political stuff too much, we got grey matter to evolve and activate
along with the pursuits of technology and entertainment.
there is so much more than politics in life, and the best thing one can do is put it all aside for a clarity of true joy and meaning
MellowMaroon with respect to Roux Phoenix, it is (fortunately or unfortunately) not an entirely unique story; i know at least a handful of people (myself included) who could tell stories at least somewhat similar.
N.B. i say this not to detract from Roux's experiences--on the contrary! (and btw thank you for sharing them, Roux... please don't make yourself feel bad for having bought into that garbage in the past)--but to reassert them. i would only add that they are at the very least descriptive of exeperiences that others have had (and perhaps still others are having or will have), too
tldr i'm trying to say: i think Roux's account is emblematic of a personal story that isn't normally heard but that probably happens far more often than anyone would guess
The right loves talking about social media bubbles as if leftists are in the left because they don't know how the world works. In reality they chose the left precisely because they know very well the limits of the right. There's things that simply are not in the purview of the right, and therefore they are incapable of imagining solutions.
As a young black man, living with being oppressed is not fun. Constant depressing stories about slavery, (if you're saying "Oh, you freed yourself!" then that's not entirely true, we endured, but we weren't free until one side of the country found slavery too costly, and LET us fight for our freedom), most famous political figures (up until Obama), was a man who was shot for saying 'Maybe we shouldn't all hate each other...' and a singer who's skin was bleached. You have to constantly hear "Don't trust white people too much" (A.K.A. Get a black friend even if you have nothing in common) "you gotta be better than the white folk in order to succeed", and "don't do anything embarrassing, those people are waiting for you to trip up". You learn that you could go to jail for much less than your peers might go to jail for, while simultaneously hearing about black crime rates that only seem to imply that you're just "more inclined to do crime"
Hey Soldado.
Here is a young black man who tells you how depressing it is to be judged by the color of your skin, and your answer is to judge people by the color of their skin? How does that make sense to you?
@Soldado de Juan José Torres wtf is wrong with you? you're just as racist as the white nationalists shaun is criticising
michael jackson had vitiligo - he didn't just turn himself white, he couldn't control it - he even stated that he was "proud to be black" im not really sure what the reference to michael jackson part was about
You could take any group of people...Redheads for example... And have cops stop them 12 times more often, arrest them more often for doing rhe same things as other hair colors, give them longer sentences for the same things other hair colors get arrested for and I bet their incomes, kids test scores etc will on average go down. It's just common sense.
@@allrightok9982 Racism is only prejudice that enforces an existing power structure. Theres no existing power structure that keeps white people down in the same way. Words have different meanings in different contexts. You can be prejudiced without being racist. It's not the same thing.
Kind of like saying a guy throws like a girl is not the same thing as telling a girl she throws like a guy.
I used to be in the frog people crowd, my friend group since middle school being these kinds of people. there wasn't any blatent sexism or racism or anything like that, but as we all grow up and they get more right-wing and as I start listening to more and more crust punk and watching more and more lefty youtubers, I start to realize how I was enabling their pseudo-right-wing beliefs, and I'm just glad that I'm debating and talking to them about it now as a 10th grader, than talking to them about it when they're militant alt-righters and I'm an anarchist. basically, thank you shaun and punk rock for showing me how shitty I was.
You're doing what I wish I figured out earlier :(
Read theory, keep pressing on comrade
Keep it up, its fully likely they will grow out of it especially if they have someone sensible like you to show them empathy
He's not sensible if he plans on being an anarchist.
Fuck yea! Proud of you! :)
@@CarrotConsumer Ahhhhhh I love when I see someone with common sense on the internet
It's been a long way out of my idealogical right wing prison... You and Hbomberguy were actually the ones that pulled me out of there... so thanks for making videos.
P.S. I really love how calm you are all the time
Revisit those dark days with the new 108-minute documentary on Sargon, MRAs, and GamerGate: YT search for "Munted, Random"
worth noting: zoe quinn HADN'T slept with the guy who supposedly gave her game a great review at the time he'd written about the game.
Doubt.
Bro, it was chilling listening to this, knowing that only a few years ago I also held all of the opinions you rebuttaled in this video, just more so as a black guy looking at a white dude saying "he's the one who's oppressed". It's amazing I ever got caught up in it, and now I'm curious as to how I even ended up there in the first place.
Before I die, I want to see the day when a native American finnally becomes president, it would be a great time for humanity
Then we've reached peak humanity
And I want to see the day when people finally stop thinking in these terms and judge people by their merit rather than the colour of their skin.
socially inept spider-man The Native American community has some damn good people who would make great candidates.
@@MrCmon113 he never said he was going to auto be a good president he just said it would be cool. Im black and I think it would be pretty ok. Well the general thought.
@@MrCmon113 that's not what I'm saying, I'm not saying someone should be president because they're a native, I'm just saying it would be cool because if that happens the natives who are still being treat horribly would have better lives
honestly, like the top commenter said, you and hbomberguy saved me from becoming more right wing. i was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. my ex turned out to have been cheating on me, and as a result i was angry and looking for something to put my anger into. it reached a peak in 2019 where i was at my absolute worst both mentally and politically. then, in early 2020, i started watching hbomberguy's videos on soy, and moved on from there.
i really appreciate you making these videos and making me realize that not all leftists are weird shouty people that refuse to educate people that need the education.
edit: oops i ended up being a trans woman. ive since been in multiple relationships where ive been treated with absolute respect and loyalty if you're curious on where i'm at today. love y'all
Thanks for this wholesome comment, BabyEater126.
@@oldpersonalaccount oh yeah i'm watching channels like vaush and xanderhal as well
That edit was like being hit with a cricket bat. Proud of you
@@kyefurrie7400 thank you
Welcome home ❤️
The stuff about history was pretty eye opening. It is strange how we have a tendency to lump all of history together. Things like jim crow were not that long ago. My father was affected by racism and even though Jim crow was on its way out he still had to deal with it. Not to mention he was the son of a man who had to deal with horrific levels of racism. So we are like 2 generations removed from it which is nothing.
Your part about presidents and young people was also very good too.
Not quite relevant but a cool historical fact. Cleopatra lived closer to our time than the building of the great pyramids.
It's true, check it out of you don't believe me.
Avrysatos Don't worry, we believe you. It's more believable than Mark Anton being a time traveller ;)
paperbackwriter1111 it's just unbelievable sounding is all
Avrysatos I don't have the perspective to tell - I'm a history student, so the ptolemeans coming after the old pharaohs is kind of burned into my brain.
Ehh, same boat on already knowing Cleopatra came after the Great Pyramids. It's not burned into my brain though. It has more to do with connecting known dots, like Cleopatra's dealings with the Romans and pyramids being a more major thing before that period of history.
Anyhow, I'm from the other side here. S&J did a decent job on some parts (the belief that social justice issues are already solved), but his speculation for the reasoning behind those parts is rather poor. It's usually good to not consider your opposition idiots (goes for both sides). Most people in general who get involved with this kind of stuff have a decent enough grasp of history to know that, say... slavery wasn't an issue solved in the midieval ages, and woman's suffrage wasn't apart of the founding of the US.
'Eventually in 2 or 3 years you'll realise i was right.'
You are underestimating ignorance good sir
Matter of definition really. The gamergate I signed up for was genuinely the ethics in games journalism. Couldn't care less about the cause of it all.
At the point it was called gamergate my group was bunched together with the other that don't even call themselves gamergate (that I know of) and all they had in common is they started at about the same time, really.
Call it ignorance, but I knew what I applied to; I called out every "Gamer" who was out of line, never harassed anyone and to this day try to get influence on games journalism for ethics (the irony is we also want real social justice and some of our main opponents are self proclaimed social justice warriors who again ironically have racist and sexist tendencies, but because it's not a marginalised group it's somehow not just OK, but encouraged. ).
The label was just smeared. Part of me wants to abandon it, but we have no other name for the movement and we kind of want to clear our names because we have identified ourselves by it since the beginning.
They will realize THEY were right, once they adopt your idea as their own
It takes a few years to get over being 'shown up' so they can take ownership of it without a stigma
Sucks... I really hate lies in gaming, paid off critic mother fuckers, and micro transaction bullshit. It's all evil and designed to fuck you over financially.
BUT... Many gamers who are with me in this mind set of thinking that paying thousands to unlock one full game is bullshit... Also think that all blacks should hang and that women should never leave the kitchen.
So yeah... Frustrating...
In 20 or 30 years, a small segment of the listeners might finally make a connection based upon something that they learned in this video, so they will be less wrong after that.
While they will not remember you, or give you any credit, that's not why we teach the truth. We speak the truth because anything less is a disservice to humanity.
"We fight Fascism not because we will win, but because it is Fascism." -Chris Hedges
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I'm listening to this after the shooting in New Zealand 😢
27:05 - "Because ultimately, if this doesn't stop, it's going to come to blows. And I don't mean a street scuffle between a group of anti-fascists and a group of white nationalists." Very prescient words.
@@banquo547 That reality seems closer now
I was like this.
Then I realised that I was gay 😎 and I spent a few months hating it and then I just accepted it and that was the turning point for me.
Gaymer
The same lol
The same lol
This is relevant now more than ever
Thankfully I managed to dodge the GamerGate nonsense on social media by, basically, not taking part in much social media. From the brief snippets I heard were things like "it's about game journalism integrity" and I was actually kind of excited... like, "wow, yeah! Are people finally waking up to the fact that games journalism doesn't really exist and that outside of, like, a couple investigative journalists that expose worker abuse and bad practices; it's all basically just a PR arm of publishers by way of getting a bunch of nerds to say 'yes, daddy, give me game keys, I'll give you a review and won't mention microtransactions' and begging for exclusive interviews..."
But then I realized it was really all about how some woman who made a game for a specific audience allegedly slept with a games journalist who gave a good review to the game and didn't disclose his alleged relationship with her, which is, apparently, totally her fault and definitely, TOTALLY, a widespread issue...apparently. Damn wimmins and their venus flytrap genitals, entrapping and corrupting the sweet innocent boys in their pure endeavors, destroying their careers for personal gain. lol.
Revisit those dark days with the new 108-minute documentary on Sargon, MRAs, and GamerGate: YT search for "Munted, Random"
Ugh, RUclips, why are your recommending this to me? I already watched it three years ago and liked it!
Well, guess I'll watch it again to see how well it's aged.
Revisit those dark days again with the new 107-minute documentary on Sargon, MRAs, and GamerGate: YT search for "Munted, Random"
I'm honestly glad my parents have kept me away from social media, all I had were my toys, Legos, minecraft music parodies, and cartoons, and now as a teenager stepping into the internet after being so far removed from the more modern internet since 2014, I feel pretty happy I turned out alright
This is the kind of video I have been looking for in a while now, one which doesn't just scream about the resurgence of nazism, but actually explains why it is happening. It's much easier to act towards a problem when you know why it exists.
as opposed to problems that people want to believe that don't exist:
iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
even if you believe that iq is a valid measurement of intelligence there are lots of factors that can inhibit your intelligence in poorer countries (I.E one could get a traumatic head injury from working in an unsafe environment or have to group up in a house with lead paint since you don't have the money to replace it properly). also the samples in more war torn or militaristic countries would be inherently unrepresentative as it would be harder to find a significant number of people living in a safe enough environment to send a survey guy to their location and of course, some countries (like north Korea) may be so restrictive in their policies that the researchers would only be able to gain access to heavily biased data. not to mention the many ways that the researchers could have intentionally misrepresented the data (ala the einzenfiel map).
tldr: there are many ways that this survey could be unrepresentative
@@justinhanna9152 all of these randomly selected people lived in houses with lead paint?
where is this resurgence who is the nazis? is trump a nazi? so then what defines someone as a nazi? are republicans and conservatives nazis?
Count Ravid they themselves are not Nazi’s, but they have unwittingly (supposedly unwittingly anyways) been espousing fascist talking points and rhetoric like, since Trump was on the campaign trail, and conservatism as a whole goes hand in hand with fascism’s rise at any given time, because it is content to protect the status quo no matter the cost. SO, when their power and status is threatened, like it has been by the rise in class consciousness and general push towards, ya know, respecting minorities, they’re more likely to start defending the people who’s beliefs, while perhaps far more extreme then theirs might on the surface appear, aren’t inherently antithetical to what they wish to uphold, that being a system wherein, though they might not say it out right, straight white folk are the norm, and thereby at the top, and all the icky other folk can be pushed off to the side where they don’t have to think about them. So, to answer the question, asking whether trump or the Republicans are Nazi’s is asking the wrong question: twenty first century American fascism will look different from mid twentieth century German fascism, though it’s rise will AND HAS had many of the same calling cards. No, we are not currently living in the midst of a full on fascist dictatorship, but neither was Germany right away when Hitler was elected Chancellor. But we are gearing up to deport and detain people for being brown, we’re gearing up to erase trans folk from the population logistically, and we’ve ALWAYS been hyper racist against black people...also you know, there’s been a rise in hate crimes against Jewish, Muslim, Latina/x, black, and queer folk overall since Trump’s been in office so like...you know what yes. In everything but perhaps name, trumpism is twenty first century nazism
Oh god Sargon talks to you? Rest in peace Shaun's sanity
You make Sargon sound like a common symptom of a rare new sub-type of schizophrenia
@@dinadina2000 Isn't that almost the case?
@@dinadina2000 Sargon is definitely is a symptom of a rare new sub-type of diabetes.
@@dinadina2000 that's because he most definitely is
Pepe the frog didn't deserve such indecency, he was such a chill frog, I would hardly think that as the image of neo-nazi aggressives.
But I'm not alt right. I just feel bad man
#NotAllFrogMen
An important fact we should never forget. Frog men aren't all Gamergaters. Some frog men just want to piss with their trousers all the way down.
Farco Ah the butters approach, good choice...
It's weird seeing pepe presented the way it was meant to be
And I just despise frogposters because they all have retarded memes