3 words: arrested emotional development. Imagine how much better society would be if these guys just got off the internet and sought out a therapist lol
The same goes to the "freedom of speech is under attack" crowd always being the first to actively try and shut down (or as they say, gatekeep) anything they disagree with. Not to imply those are different groups, as the overlap is quite significant.
Critic scores for difficult games: Dark Souls trilogy: 9/10 Bloodborne: 9/10 Cuphead: 9/10 Nioh 1 and 2: 9/10 Sekiro 9/10 GaMErS: "GAME JOURNALISTS HATE DIFFICULT GAMES BECAUSE SOMEONE WROTE AN OPINION PIECE ON IT"
Well of course, opinion is the oppsoite of fact, and good is the opposite of bad, and so if it's a fact that [game] is good, any opinion on it must be that it's bad :p
And just recently, Elden Ring, the most difficult game of the year, was voted GOTY by critics of various media outlets. But nah man, let's keep pretending more people hate our games just to feel cooler about liking them.
This reminds me of when I took art classes in university, and students would get really upset during critiques because they saw it as a personal insult to their work. Criticism is meant to help artists improve their craft by seeing it from another's perspective. Gamers need to realize that criticism isn't destroying the medium, but allowing it to grow.
Interesting, as a band nerd who is attempting to get a music degree I don't really see any of this, even for solo juries. I'm wondering if there's any systemic difference that would cause art majors to be more likely than music majors (like possibly the fact that musicians have to lean on each other for basically everything), or if it's just that the people drawn to both fields are influenced by the people present in each field (like how woodwinds have higher f:m ratios of incoming members than brass because of gender associations), or if it is the same and I'm just missing it on the music end of things..
@@firebrain2991 I'm studying at an art school. The way I see the difference is that music majors are often practicing a quantifiable skill, ie how well they play their instrument, how quickly they can pick up new scores, etc. A lot of visual arts students are not only critiqued on their skill within their medium of choice, but also on their style choices, the subject matter, their "taste" level. These are things which are much more subjective and often deeply personal, and although I think it's super important to receive critique on these aspects of your work when you're an artist, I think that's what can cause people to get defensive. Of course this doesn't count for music studies where composing is part of the curriculum, and I might be naively assuming wrong what things music students are judged on. I'm curious if this seems to make sense to you though! :)
@@firebrain2991 Adding onto this, many of the art projects we get critiqted on, because I'm in higher level classes, are graded on the execution of the concept as well as its aesthetics. Art pieces that say something with ALL parts of it are the ones that tend to do really well. For example, if your concept is a critique of consumer culture through the medium of painting, a well-rendered painting on canvas might not do as well as a decently-rendered painting on candy wrappers stuck together. In the second painting, both the subject of the painting and the medium itself contribute to making your point. But that's for the more conceptual pieces. When art is being judged on purely on execution, like a figure drawing, you've been with the piece for hours and all you can see are the mistakes. Seeing those same mistakes pointed out and more you didn't even catch can be demoralizing to say the least. I guess to try to make a comparison to a musical preformance, it would be as if not only your musical ability was being judged, but also things like your posture and how quietly you flip the pages. It wouldn't be "how good this song can be preformed", it would be "how well does your preformance convey the emotion of the piece" if that makes sense. Art is intrinsicly personal, a little piece of yourself, which is why critiques can really hurt.
@@RordamJ adding onto this as another music major - a low brass player and bass singer. Although instrumentalists generally take criticism pretty well, vocalists are much more touchy, for much the same reasons listed here for visual arts. When your singing is critiqued, it’s not just your skill at singing that can be critiqued. It can be your facial expressions, the shape of your mouth, your interpretation and style choices in your genre (generally classical art songs, opera arias, jazz, and musical theatre). Plus, if someone criticizes your tone, that’s YOUR voice, not an instrument. What if they also don’t like your speaking voice? What if simply talking to people annoys them cuz of your voice??? In instrumental music there is a more apparent cultural sensitivity to criticism rather than an individual sensitivity. Imagine the outrage if someone discard Brahms, Mozart, Beethoven, Purcell, ect ect and said their writing was basic or too on the nose or whatever? Music education takes these peoples’ near deity-status as a given, and any time someone’s like “hey maybe we should actually teach more modern music, like Count Basie and stuff, with the same focus and care?” White supremacists come out of the woodwork to spout vapid defenses of the old by delegitimizing the new (see Adam Neely’s video on white supremacy).
Not an art major, but I did take a drawing (DRAW 101, Intro to Drawing) course as an elective once. The TA for the course said "a lot of these look like they were drawn by middle schoolers." Some critique right there lmao... most of the people in the class weren't even art majors
Poor dean Takahashi, he is something everyone strive to be, self improving and rather humorous about his shortcomings. And still valuing a chellange, even if he sucks initially.
Let's fix the misunderstanding; it's time for everyone to learn. gamers: games are art!!!!! *non-gamer* critics: analyse games as if they're the art they know gamers: NO
I don't like walking most simulators, not my cup of tea (Edith Finch and Firewatch rule though) but if game devs only made lesbian walking simulators it would make Gamers™ really angry so I still think it'd be a net positive
@@Asaliuru i think the game "Gone Home" would qualify as a lesbian walking simulator, although i'm not the greatest at categorizing. The game is great either way and I definitely recommend. It has immaculate vibes and a fun story.
I always laugh at the "If society was destroyed/nuked [blank] people won't survive." The people who always say that probably have no skills in being able to survive in that kind of world.
As Renegade Media pointed out in his take on Thanos (spoilers, he's not actually right to kill half of everyone, we should kill excesses of capitalism's unequal distribution of critical life-giving resources instead and then there's literally enough for 10+ billion right now), even a guy with a supposedly completely fair purge method, delete half of everyone without regard to any category, class, type, or bias.... apparently didn't include himself in the snap. Everyone who's ever actively called for mass purges in the real world, for the apocalypse, for some grand 'cleanse' of the Earth, always assumes they're going to come out on top of it all. That's why they do it, and it's always just as pathetic.
Ok sure people would die in a nuclear holocaust, Thad how this works. Afterwords more people would die. Valuing nuking societies to get rid of different groups of people is basically a nazis way of thinking
@@CheapSkateGamer96 we're not talking about trans women, mate. lesbians can be trans but not all trans women are lesbians. like squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. thems fighting words, you wanna settle this behind a dennys?
@@GiordanDiodato OMG that is so real. Call of Duty - Walking and gun shooting simulator GTA - Walking and carjacking simulator Mirror's Edge - Walking fastly on rooftops simulator Mario - Walking and jumping around stuff simulator
If you wouldn't be surprised if it were real, then you misunderstand something about how the world works, since it isn't real. If you had a perfect understanding of the world, then ideally, no truth would surprise you and all falsehood would surprise you.
Mr. weasel But even then, that is still pretty vague because SJW is just a strawman that can be anything they want. Even if it is completely contradictory.
Mr. weasel Well for one the idea that the "toxic left" makes shit up to make the right look bad is a complete lack of understanding of your opponent's arguments in an attempt of denial. Secondly you are using leftist and toxicity pretty loosely. I'm pretty sure lots of people you are calling leftist are barely even that but you are calling them that because they said something you hate. Thirdly, you aren't pointing to anybody directly. Because you know as soon as you do you'll get you ass laughed off to oblivion. So you stick to pointing indirectly to a vague shadowy concept that people can fill in with whoever they don't like. Also NPC is a term unaware of its own irony. It demonstrates you are only here to call people names and spew bs. That or waste people's time with "jokes."
Whenever people make up fake people yelling ablism, it makes it harder for me (a disabled person) to be taken seriously when I point out actual ablism. It's gotten to the point where people think I'm making up my disabilities just so I can get mad at something. People just don't take disabled people seriously, either because they are disabled or because they are 'making it up'. Just mote excuses to be ablist
I'm deaf in one ear, so I can't fully experience a game which has a mechanic with surround sound. Like a horror game with a monster hunting you, for example. I'll still enjoy the game though and why do right-wingers think I want to stop their enjoyment of it? It's ludicrous.
Hey Shaun! You probably won’t read this in the sea of comments, but I noticed your videos don’t have closed captions (well, they have auto-generated CCs which are infamously bad especially when it comes to non-American English), and I was hoping I could fix that. There’s an option to allow community-written closed captions on your videos, and if you turn that on you videos would be much more likely to be accessed by a wider array of people. This doesn’t just include English- other people can add subtitles of different languages. Just thought you would be interested!
One of the things that most frustrates me about anti-sjw types; they come real close to having valid critiques of oppressive systems, but manage to mangle them into tragically misdirected anger.
A bunch of men who feel oppressed...but, instead of realizing it's the capitalist system taking advantage of them, they blame feminism 🤦 That's the sad thing, they ARE victims. We are all victims. But instead of actually addressing the people in power, they attack other victims...only making it worse.
And sometimes they have a legitimate grievance against leftist excesses/obnoxiousness, but then they take their grievance and rage, dial it up to 11, add a bunch of broad assumptions and lies, and start beating everyone upside the head with it.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 anti-sjw or conservatives or rightwingers or whatever you wanna called them, most of time know that the powerful are to blame but prefer actively to engange with minorities instead. It's more rewarding for them and they fell they can have an impact, at the heart of the debate there's a pessimist acceptance that the powerful will remain as such
You're doing it wrong. You're not supposed to calmly state an informed opinion. This is the Internet, you're supposed to make wild assumptions and scream bloody murder.
"Don't believe me when people say they're mad about this game? Look at this angry conversation!" First tweet in conversation: "I'm not personally upset about this game..."
That part upset me the most in this video. This Mark person had the counter evidence to his claim right in front of him and either misread or ignored the message. How does this happen?
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 It's like the guy in highschool that was always so proud to be the best at games, and then you watched him in the arcade and he kept slamming in quarters. Disappointing sight!
@@katobytes No they want their cake, and everyone elses cake, beause if someone else got cake that somehow means they can't have any more cake and they want to eat ALL of the cake, not just theirs.
This is the whole Anti-SJW movement in a nutshell. Being offended by things that never happened. I find it ironic that these people complain about people being too easily offended when they get offended by just about anything.
some of what the anti-sjw movement is against is real. there are excesses by the left/social justice crowd that should be checked. However, that nugget of legitimacy is buried in exaggeration, demonization, and yes, a lot of fake outrage. I just want to make sure we acknowledge the legitimate issues at the heart of toxic movements, because denying the kernels of truth only further legitimizes the movement in the eyes of its followers and moderate outsiders.
@@ElvishShellfish "some of what the anti-sjw movement is against is real. there are excesses by the left/social justice crowd that should be checked" not really. Just because there are a couple videos on the internet with pale skin and purple/pink haired schizophrenic femi-nazis screaming at the top of their lungs about whatever doesn't mean that are "excesses" of the "SJW's. and leftist lipbtards" Conservatist ideology supporters are the ones that are complaining and screaming at the top of their lungs about whatever. The "SJWS ARE RUINING MY VIBEO GAMEEEEES/ STAR WARRRS/STARK TREEEK/(INSERT POPULAR IP OR ART MEDIUM HERE)" is a daily and a very, very common occurrence on the internet.
I remember when I told a friend of mine I prefer games with at least the option of a female protagonist. He said "Oh you're one of THOSE people" and I explained to him that while I enjoy games with male protagonists, it's hard to immerse myself in the game. I'm glad he listened but most on the internet would have called me an SJW and ignore my argument entirely.
@Reflet I think thats the difference between playing a character, and playing an avatar. I'm not a Metroid fan, but Samus as a character is pretty iconic in her own right (and I'm pretty sure a good chunk of her iconic-ness, at least from the outside, seems to be that she WAS, unexpectedly, a woman). But if you're playing a game where the main character is supposed to be you, the player-- idk my first thought was Pokémon, back in the old days when playing as a girl was new-- that's a huge thing for people who look at the guy sprite and think "wtf I am nothing like this human, I don't even feel right giving him my feminine name."
God, I hate "Gamers". For people, who constantly make fun of others being "triggered", they're the most emotional, easily manipulated professional victims of them all.
Which is ridicolous, because it assumes all gamers consider themselves equal. Go on the Eve Online Forums and try to argue that WoW players are as good as them and see what happens. :P
RUclipsrs like LegacyKillaHD, AlphaOmegaSin, YoungYea played a big part in this. Being reactionary and siding with the players to perpetuate the narrative that gamers are oppressed, that everything is coming to get them, when in fact that their voices in gaming are just as loud and widespread as any media outlet. In this case, it actually benefits them as they rely on clicks for their income.
I think he was trying to say that games journalists' complaints about games are barely tangible at best, and hardly hold up to something as important as someone dying of cancer. Basically: {Strawman: OMGs! Cuphead is racist and ableist! Cancer Patient: But I've got cancer! Strawman: That can wait, clearly Cuphead being racist and difficult is the bigger issue!} You know, whataboutism and all that.
It's a really common tactic that tries to make an argument look bad without actually engaging with it, by saying that if you were a dick about it, you would be a dick about it. Another example of it would be the people defend Pokemon Sword and Shield by saying that if you said the criticisms of it to a child, you'd be a dick, even though that's a strawman because no one's doing that. (I'm sure there's a non-zero percent of people who have done that but it's not a representation of the whole nor does it invalidate the arguments) It really similar to the "first world problems" argument, why do you care about X when unrelated issue Y is worse.
Basically, the world has big problems, so you should ignore the small ones. Even if fixing the small ones wouldn't detract from the big ones in any way. Even if I don't want to personally do anything about the big ones. Just don't talk about anything that won't directly and immediately kill somebody.
Hi. It’s me your friendly neighborhood chronically ill, significantly disabled gamer. I personally super appreciate games journalists including us in their conversations. It helps me know what games I can or cannot enjoy, and I think it has encouraged developers to include more accessibility features and to explore different innovative approaches to game difficulty, allowing games to hit their target difficultly and intended experience without unnecessarily excluding people like me. Would I love it if someone suddenly discovered a cure to my rare, devastating genetic disorder? Yes, but it’s unlikely in my lifetime. In the mean time, hot damn I really want to play some good video games. Maybe if these “angry gamers” took a minute to talk one of the people they use in their straw man arguments, they would find most of us think this is in general, a good thing for us and the world.
I'm so confused by the reveal at 15:39. Did the dude literally forget about his own previous opinions or something? And not only forget but then become a direct opponent of them?
You see a lot of that. It's the whole "You're SO TRIGGERED!" thing (which has devalued the valid and important concept of trigger warnings to the point of near unusability). "Feminists are literally made of boiling acid!" "...That's plainly not true, and it's kind of stupid to think that." "GOD I TROLLED YOU SO HARD YOU'RE SO TRIGGERED YOU'RE SO MAD"
This is also why they were able to read that article a being critical in the first place : multiple viewpoints is giving weight to something other than their viewpoint, and that is just as bad as silencing them. Their entire thing is wanting to be the only voice, and got upset at journalists saying anything else at all.
TheLaxLex you can trick these guys into defending Metroid other M by saying that Samus was a sexualised damsel in distress in that game (which she kinda was like holy shit man)
I...always wondered why I never actually saw anyone outside a few 'real' tumblr posts saying cuphead was racist. Thanks for going in depth on this stuff, Shaun, You're one of my favorite channels as of late.
wow I missed all that 'controversy'. The lack of self awareness is just... astounding... they're literally complaining about manufactured outrage with manufactured outrage, except that what they're complaining about doesn't exist? It's like they've transformed into their own self-constructed stereotype
This video reminded me that I'm still subbed to AlphaOmegaSin even I haven't watched him in like 2+ years. Thanks for reminding me to unsub from that guy, Shaun.
I used to really like his videos, maybe because we had similar taste in video games and he'd talk about stuff I liked. But eventually it became more and more about angry anti-SJW conspiracy theories, and spouting vitriol, and I just lost interest. Not only did it make for crappy videos, but as someone who also avidly paid attention to the gaming sphere, I was acutely aware of how shallow and mistaken his analysis of events was.
Yeah I was subbed to him for some time pre-#gamergate. I felt like he became really insufferable during and after. Maybe he was always like that idk, I only really remember the sjw rants at this point
Well said Living Legend. I too felt the same way about a few youtubers I used to watch who did gaming videos. They often make a lot of good points. Which games are good... Which companies are greedy... Etc etc... But they also say some really stupid shit and hypocritical shit. In the end you weigh the good with the bad and the bad won so you had to stop supporting them... Sucks but that's how it goes...
Reactionaries sometimes have so little ground to stand on that they have to outright invent imaginary people who they can actually win an argument against.
Every time I come back to this video, the revelation that Ian Miles Cheong pointed out Cuphead's problematic throwbacks years before "SJWs" hits me like a ton of bricks.
HEY, being married with 2 kids is the only harsh and authoritarian treatment I want to be subject to personally. But I do appreciate your thinking about me.
I've been a gamer my whole life and I really hate how angsty some people are getting about the simple act of making some games more inclusive. Games journalism isn't the problem.
zillafire101 the fact you noticed you were wrong or thinking about things in an unhealthy or even damaging way means you shouldn't be too hard on yourself. By all means remember and keep in mind even on the left we can be susceptible to some of the same things, I mean confirmation bias not ya know... Nazis. But you did something alot of people are too scared to do well into their lives. Introspection. For that you should be proud
Yeah I agree. The problem is I have trouble associating with communities like this one on Shaun's channel. I feel like both sides are just so unreasonable most of the time.
Some of it had merit, to be truthful. There is some fishy stuff going on in journalism, etc, but people have gone crazy with seeing "SJW' monsters everywhere. Even in stuff that is barely affected by it.
4:31 Something about a person getting mad at SJWs while talking about how much they like Borderlands 2 feels ironic in a way I can't quite put my finger on
The irony here is the hatred towards sjw is that they are overly sensitive, yet the very same people are so sensitive they can't even be bothered to read the article to get triggered.
You're right, theyre just the same sloppy generation of modern conformists. They are deeply sensitive and upset because they dont look inside themselves for anything at all, and take on a persona of interests which is usually the slop entertainment and hivemind culture around it. They are shrieking runts because they cant begin to have an adult conversation why their persona of interests, much less the behavior and idea of self it holds up, could be problematic, and both sides use the same toxic verbal abuse depending on the situation I feel sooo badly for their moms
AlphaOmegaSin, from what I've watched of him, is one of those horrible RUclipsrs that jumps on a bandwagon of hatred (the Nintendo fangame thingy, the Assassin's Creed Unity thingy) and spews a lot of words and anger and bull manure to much fanfare and little effect. In other words, he's like quite a few other RUclipsrs in the gaming news niche. And that's just depressing.
One minor counterpoint to an otherwise strong video: King Dice, to me, is very clearly modelled on the black bandleader, singer and impresario Cab Calloway, from his demeanour to his dress sense and facial hair; Calloway and his band also famously performed his song "Minnie the Moocher" in a very early Betty Boop cartoon, a sequence which was hugely important for a number of reasons, not the least being that it was one of the first sound cartoons *and* soundtracked by black performers. (The song in question is also a dark, dark story about gambling addiction and basically a dirge.) While many of the tropes taken on by the designers of Cuphead do have some dubious overtones, I feel like that's one of the more respectful nods, although I do think it could have been more carefully handled perhaps.
I appreciate this take! I can see what you mean about the apparent omage to Mr. Calloway. I think it fits nicely with the general persona and character that King Dice plays.
AlphaOmegaSin is one of those gaming channels I am kinda embarrassed that I had ever subscribed to. He was a long line of channels that became ruined by obsessing over Anita Sarkeesian and calling everything "SJW". Forced to reevaluate his channel, I realized that his content was fairly mediocre. A lot of his videos come off as unscripted rants that are highly repetitious. Sure, he name-dropped some great games, and he has an impressive collection, but he really lacks the intelligence and critical vocabulary to articulate what makes a game good or bad.
I used to sub to him too. Agreed with him completely about many things in gaming. We both hate EA for being super greedy and making broken games. We both hate quick time events as they don't add anything very interesting to game play "Press A to beat the game" We both agree that super man 64 is trash lol. But..... That being said........ He's still a horrible person. Mainly because of the stuff you just mentioned David Torre. Lol my name is David too. I saw him also say some silly things like how he thought xbox one did the best at E3 in 2017. UHHH NO! lol. PS4 is killing xbox one.
Watch out mate, you're messin' with the Gamers™!!! Also does AlphaOmegaSin frequently go up to people on their death bed and complain about his problems? In what world does anyone do this???
Right? Even if that scenario magically did pop up... No one would talk like that to sick folks. They would shut their mouths and feel bad about their troubles. Even guys like trump would know their place in a situation like that.
Funny enough, I try and explain to people on Chrisraygun's vid that critics are not decrying Cuphead as racist but decrying Cuphead for taking influence from racist media (which I don't think is problematic). Then I get told I'm definitely an SJW even though I don't think the developers of Cuphead are racist for borrowing elements from rubberhose animated cartoons that were racist because I consider Cuphead's use of those elements transformative. Doesn't matter how much I try to explain that I don't think Cuphead is neither racist nor problematic, I have to be an SJW who disagrees with them because I'm not outraged about SJWs. I must submit and fit into the SJW box for disagreeing! That'll show me for rattling the hornet's nest.
@GutsGetter I see the Cuphead developers take elements from racist cartoons, similar to a director taking technical elements from the movie "Birth of a Nation" for their movie. What I mean by technical is, the special effects they used, or the cinematography they used. It's not racist to me at all to do that. As long as you leave the garbage out.
ChambleeShow- True, but how can a person do that when the racists caricatures are such a big influence on these mediums that it’s nearly inseparable? I used to some art based of these cartoons because I grew up watching them(even the racists ones) and also because I found the character tar baby adorable. Even though I’m black and I thought it was normal my siblings were weirded out. Although I was at first defensive I began to think,”What makes their reaction less valid than mine?”
Just because someone puts an feminist, historical or even a generally critical analysis on to something doesn’t always means there is a sudden declaration that person is claiming it’s bad. It’s pinning down a point to think about it based from a particular kind of thinking.
why do these people always "rant", why are they so angry all the time. and what do people get out of subscribing to someone whos entire joke is "screams at camera very loud"
except for the fact, that "triggered" (I fucking despise that word in contexts like that) SJWs are not really a wide-spread phenomenon while nearly all of these people make their living out of spitting and screaming their disgust at their screens. If it weren't so sad, it would be kinda funny.
They rant because that's one way of getting more views for their rant videos. What the subscribers get out of it is their own satisfaction of being angry. Example: The Dark Tower
"these people", "always"...did you even watch the video? You are adapting the exact behavior that is beeing critizised by shaun. You are literally the person you are ranting about.
Thank you so much for making this. The amount of "discourse" about Cuphead's alleged hate brigade was obnoxious to paddle through when looking for any sort of in-depth analysis/review of the game. Then again, that's all you really need to do to get people riled up these days - yell about how SJW's are ruining Muh Vidya, show a few shoddily-written irrelevant articles and make a mountain out of a molehill.
I’m an animator and I studied animation history in school. As a genuine lover of old animation and the origins of hand drawn...I honestly full heartedly agree with the racist reading of the style of animation used in cuphead. If you want to be a part of an artistic tradition: whether it’s film or animation or music or painting, it’s important to understand the history and it’s problematic aspects as well as it’s triumphs. What people don’t want to understand is you can like cuphead, you can like classic animation, but you can also criticize it.
HOLY SHIT GHOST TRICK AVATAR! Sorry, it's just that this game is so underappreciated. It's like christmas morning whenever I see someone who acknowledges its existence.
But if walking simulators are OK and people who play them get to come into the gamer clubhouse, how will I feel special for beating Dark Souls in three hours?
I use a walkthrough for almost every game I play because I hate the idea of wandering around not knowing what to do. And I still love all the games I play! My friend, on the other hand, loves open world games that you have to play multiple times to get all the info, and she doesn’t use a walkthrough. Both are fine!
I'm an animator and I really like the animation style of Cuphead - but I acknowledge the roots of it that are wrapped up in racist disgust. Also that terminal illness thing happened to my Dad. He died in late July, leaving my mother and I with grief and financial turmoil, but I still found a moment to agree that Cuphead is problematic in some ways. People think about lots of things, I REALLY don't get the comparison. That guy is a fuckhead.
It's the latest evolution of "#firstworldproblems". Can't actually argue a point? Imply that it's a moot one anyway because oh look over here, there's people dealing with far worse things than being "loltiggered" over "made up fake sjw anti-free-speech problems" or whatever new buzzwords they've designed. Personally, as someone whose friend routinely denied herself the right to vent to others or lean on them for moral/emotional support for those very reasons, fuck people who use this argument. It's garbage, and exists solely to justify refusing to acknowledge someone.
I literally saw NO ONE losing it at cuphead, not even the people I consider "irrational leftists" said a damned thing. I feel like this dude saw a troll or some random off the handle person in a comment? or tweet? and thought it must've been a trend he could latch onto. Which not only does that show how desperate for clicks he and others like him are, but also how little the commenters and audience to do any actual research or bother looking into anything.
My eyes are slowly being opened to the fact that my view of Gamers (tm) as just guys who don't like women in video games was the tip of a goddamn iceberg
Well, more and more women started playing mainstream multiplayer videogames, prime examples being Valorant and League of legends. With both sexes becoming more balanced in the scene, mysoginy will become less
They don't care about women in video games as long as they stick to gaming against each other, it seems. The field of professional gaming follows the route of traditional sports: standardized by every other means but somehow still unequal due to "financing issues".
Controversial opinion that shouldn't be controversial: Saying a games journalist can't do their job properly because he's not great at one particular (very hard) game is stupid. It's like saying a literary critic is bad at their job because of how long it took them to finish reading Ulysses.
Well, that's the thing. If the literary critic didn't actually finish Ulysses, it's hard for them to write about it. I've seen many gaming journalists entirely misrepresent games I've sunk countless hours in and that I know in and out, simply because they're going off of sparse experience. I know that some games are long or hard, but if you're going to bother to give your opinion on it, at least make sure it's well founded. That's what I say, anyways.
Sylvester G Harold Perhaps, but this wasn’t the case here, and it’s monetarily impossible for games journalists to explore every part of a game. A good book takes perhaps a dozen hours to complete, a good game can take upwards of a hundred even before you add in side-quests. In my opinion (and this is pure opinion) the onus is on you, the reader, to take the reviewer’s opinion as their truth, knowing that they were forced to rush through. Don’t get angry at them, just acknowledge that reviews are imperfect, it’s impossible for someone to perfectly describe a game to you before you play it, and move on. Admittedly, not that I play that many games or read that many reviews, but several of the ones I have read have noted at some point in the article that they either ignored the side quests or didn’t finish the main story. I think that also show’s Shaun’s poiny about people not understanding how to read. Reading has context, and doesn’t impart unfiltered truth.
@@cathsaigh2197 I did indeed. This isn't about this particular cuphead run, though. I was speaking more generally, to games journalism as a whole. As to address earlier counter points, I do agree that it is impossible for them to 100% complete every game, or even complete them 50%. It's to be expected that sometimes they misrepresent the games, as a result. However, that doesn't excuse the fact that they're still giving what is essentially misinformation. I wouldn't want my book reviews to be faulty due to the fact that I didn't experience all that the story had to offer.
It was really hard to watch the AlphaOmegaSin bits. Watching someone who obviously hasn't acquainted himself with the "controversy" get needlessly worked up about something he could just as easily ignore is horribly cringeworthy. That's the anti-sjws for ya though.
The most ironic thing about anti-sjws is that each and every single trait they ascribe to sjws is far more appropriate when ascribed to them. Psychological projection at its finest.
I've got to be honest... I clicked this video cos I wanted to hear you say "Cuphead". Very endearing in your accent. ^_^ And great video, btw, as ever. I'm subscribed!
it's frustrating to see conversations of video games get polluted by all these cries of "SJWS ARE RUINING GAMES". we're missing out on good discussions about game design and cultural portrayals.
Cuphead drama is obviously a reverberation of the gamergate drama which was just a overzealous culture war. The only thing being pushed here is the narrative that games journalists aren't real gamers and shouldn't have influence in the games industry.
To be fair, it's very hard to take the opinion of someone who has trouble finishing a tutorial seriously. Basic dexterity and understanding of mechanics should be a bare minimum requirement in the job description.
@@PSspecialist True, but that was a single guy, hardly a representative of all games journalists, though these angry shouty men on the internet would have you believe otherwise
@@flossimoth I had probably made that comment before even watching Shaun's video having some pre conceived notions about that whole situation. Something I had found out much later was that, originally, Dean didn't even want to upload the gameplay video thinking it was worthless and it was his co-workers that nudged him to do it because they thought it'd be funny. I was flabbergasted when I realised the same people who ridicule folks for not having a sense of humour got so upset over a joke gameplay video that wasn't even aimed at their expense! I also felt ashamed that I fell for their rhetoric even though I should have known better. (didn't send the guy death threats over it though, Jesus) I still stand by what I said that reviewers should be skilled at games but I realize now how pointless that statement is because... they are! No one is saying that they shouldn't be!
@@PSspecialist Haha, very true. it can be easy to fall for that type of rhetoric because it takes a lot more research and effort to find the truth than it does for them to throw out such attacks. having to be on guard all the time is exhausting, and I don't blame you for falling for it. I likely would have too, if my first exposure to this whole thing wasn't from people refuting said rhetoric. also, I din't know that he didn't want to upload it originally, that's interesting! poor guy got his original intent twisted around so badly that even people who would have been understanding got misled into hating him
I'd like to add a couple of examples. Mass Effect: Andromeda Claim: "SJWs are ruining my games". That's really happened: Troubled development history, new game engine lacking important features, major game rescopes -> most development were done in last 2 years -> timelines for writers, animators and testers shifted to the very end, hence poor quality of the final product. Gator folks blamed a number of individuals among people working at BioWare, "SJWs", for ruining "their" game. Among them a motion capture actress, who was misrepresented as the lead animator. I'm not sure if the twitter message presented as confirmation was legit, but she was not. A writer, who happened to be a woman and a feminist (the horror!). Writing is done by a team of people, it's 5-10 people. We know that it had a number of writers from ME3, what we don't know is how much she contributed and what parts. She was hired relatively late. And the guy, Manveer Heir one of the developers, who was misrepresented as a manager who forced "diversity hires" and hence ruined the game. One of a few brown guys on the project, of course, wasn't a manager, on the project, nor he was in a position to force hires, an easily verifiable fact. I tried to explain that to one gater guy, presented the evidence, a (strikingly white) photo of development team & the managers. He kept grasping at straws, trying to find an excuse to still blame him. PUBG Claim: "Some girls complained about a shirts model with camel toe, PUBG apologised and fixed that, therefore SJWs are distracting PUBG from real issues like improving the networking code. SJWs are ruining my games." Engine development and 3D design is done by different people. Given the fact that selling skins is PUBG's business model they likely have an entire team of 3D designers. People didn't like something, they spoke out, they got it fixed. No harm is done.
"That was before the ant colony decided to nest in his head, I guess." That is brilliant, and I'm going to henceforth use it in casual conversation, even if the context doesn't call for it.
Also, want to point out the Game Grumps relayed the same fake accusation about people calling Mario Oddesey Racist for the Sombrero hat when in reality there was only ever one tweet and it just said "it would be nice if we stopped doing this", to which Breitbart, The daily caller, and the blaze all wrote articles about it.
... God dammit. I remember this. I was a shithead in college and wound up on the wrong side of this fake controversy. I didn't even know the whole thing was fake. I wish I found this video then, it might have saved me a year or so of guilt.
So embarrassingly enough, I used to fall for shit like this. I was primed to expect the next “SJW shitstorm” so if you said “feminists wanted to ban Zelda because it’s sexist, I would’ve believed you and would’ve taken to Twitter to complain about this “ultra-pc SJW-dominated world”. Ugh I was insufferable. I mean I still am but for other reasons. I witnessed this fake outrage in action when on Reddit someone made a post about how men are really oppressed and women are the oppressors. Poster claimed he received death threats and horrible messages as a result. People in the thread were all in agreement about how horrible feminists are and how brave the OP was for posting what he did. Within the thread were heavily downvoted comments calling him a liar, so I tried a different tactic. Laughed along and asked to see screenshots so we could all laugh. Suddenly the OP went dead silent on the thread. My comment was the only one he hadn’t responded to. People began to join in asking for screenshots and before you knew it, the post was deleted. So basically if you want to call these people out, play along and ask for screenshots not in a way that shows you don’t believe them, but in a way that sounds like you want to laugh along. This is just one experience I’ve had using this method. It works surprisingly well. Oh and if I can find screenshots proving the story I just told you, I will add them in an edit.
Game Journalist: Ya know Cupheads animation style and even story are very similar to fleischer animation from the 1950s which unfortunately often depicted african americans in extremely racist caricatures. AlphaOmegaSin: OH MY GOD YOU EZJAYBUBBYOOS THINK EVERYTHIGN IS RACIST!!!
Brie Russell I think the name wasn't really the point however, and yes it is a bit inflammatory to name something for what it didn't come from. But I wouldn't make that the one thing that turns you away from the analysis and the argument made. But on the whole you're right and it should be clarified and I appreciate that you brought it up.
Literally came over here from the Doom Outrage video because it showed up in my recommended videos and I really don't remember there being any "outrage" about Cuphead so this is gonna be good
I remember watching the Cooptional Podcast, when TotalBiscuit mentioned that he thinks (unless I misunderstood him) that people like Dean Takahachi, who are bad at video games, maybe should not be game journalists. Which struck me as odd at the time, seeing as how Jim Sterling, a man I love dearly is - in my opinion - extremely bad at video games, sometimes to a point where I want to close some of his videos just by being so appaled at his weak gameplay. But I wouldn't ever deny him his opinion because of how good or bad he plays. So why should Dean Takahachi leave? Worst case, you ignore his opinion and that is it.
The Snarky Lesbian I liked TB (RIP), but he could be also very self-indulgent sometimes, by which time he became an obnoxious gatekeeper for the gaming culture. It's sad that he defended Dodger vehmently when she was insulted just for being in a girl who plays and talks about video games.
Late comment, but I do think you missed TB's point. He took umbrage with how Dean actually misinformed people due to his ineptitude, and that can be damaging to the games themselves. Where Dean tried to make Cuphead out to be this Dark Souls level of difficulty (which it by all accounts isn't), John and Jim didn't/don't mislead people just because they're bad at certain genres. TB was terrible at puzzle games (aside from Antichamber) and puzzle-platformers, but he never slammed Mass Effect for being too difficult because he forgot to assign ability points... like Dean. Jim can suck at some games, but he's well learned enough that he wouldn't call Warhammer: Space Marine a Gears of War knockoff... like Dean. Neither of them are so inept as to credit a completely different development team (say, Team Meat instead of Studio MDHR) and then take a week to amend things... like Dean. John's point was that if you're going to do game reviews and present yourself as a games critic, you're going to have a certain broad level of skill just from playing so many games, even if you never come close to ever mastering anything, and that is necessary to present the works as what they actually are to the critic's audience. If Dean were a let's player or something like that, TB wouldn't have had a problem with Dean's coverage. Basically, Dean presented Cuphead as this Dark Souls-esque challenge and the whole hubbub over his preview has led to the game's perceived level of difficulty overshadowing it to an extent. I wouldn't be surprised if some people who may have otherwise bought Cuphead decided not to after hearing it was as difficult as Dark Souls. As is, Dean probably should just stick to tech reviews. Dean really is atrocious when it comes to game coverage. As far as him being a "gate-keeping asshole" is concerned, I don't see that at all. John was supportive of providing options to those of varying abilities; ex. he was one of the few in the industry to always mention the colorblind settings and would even go so far as to criticize a game which lacked them when it shouldn't have. He supported a skip combat option in most games, for those who don't care about combat, can't handle combat, or were busy being a single parent or whatever. He got away from the GamerGate association real quick and you can tell he really was only ever in it for the ethics side of things, because I sincerely doubt someone like Sargon or MundaneMatt would've interviewed the editor in chief of Kotaku at that time to get their side of the story. The fact that people _still_ bring that up to lambast him is disconcerting. John wasn't perfect, no one is, but he for damn sure wasn't some Bogeyman.
When you said "that journalist there being... Ian Miles Cheong" I could almost hear the crowd of people going OOOOOOOHHH in my head, damn. What a burn.
I think one of my favorite hypocrisies of these types of gamers, is how they go on about "feelings" and how little they care for the feelings of others, or indeed the concept itself (pick a "skeptical" or "rational" youtuber and go into their videos, just wait to see how long they disparage "feelings") and how "cool" they are being being "apathetic", when something as small and inconsequential as someone criticizing a videogame spawns a huge, angry, backlash.
Brandon Crowley did you hear about the gamers that lost their minds at a mediocre score from jim sterling for the newest mario game? the review was entirely faked as looking at metacritic would show you it wasn't there. In fact, he had not even played the game yet.
Indeed I did, but of course I for one, was positive he had played it, being the #1 Nintendo Boy that he is. I was under the impression that Miyamoto was sending him the earliest builds as soon as possible as an apology letter for all the backlash that Jim Fucking Sterling, Son was getting because of his 7/10 for BoTW
Brandon Crowley I was too busy laughing at people outraged at the idea of a 7/10 being a bad score to bother verifying it one way or the other. Back before 2000 most good games were rated such and only the truly exceptional got higher. I also was too busy shaking my head at people freaking out over someones supposed opinion because they didn't like it. I don't like a lot of popular things. doesn't mean I hate people that do like them or the other way around. It makes no sense. Either way his video taking a laugh at the was the first of his videos I've watched in ages. I'm just not interested I'm his content usually.
Also there is debate about whether Cuphead is Ablest or not, not, surprisingly because of it's difficulty level but of visual and GUI elements that made it hard to decipher for players with certain visual or reading conditions. Game Maker's Toolkit has an excellent series on Designing for Disability in games that touches on this issue (spanning all games, not just Cuphead)
Yeah, that guy is a reactionary div. His proudest moment was when Anita Sarkeesian mentioned his name. But I mean, he calls himself AlphaOmegaSin. You kinda have to know what you're getting yourself in for when you watch a video from a guy with a Captain Edgelord name like that.
I remember his response to the Nintendo fangame situation. It was just "REEEEE" like every other gaming channel of his caliber without a lick of intelligence or foresight.
As someone who is very good friends with "the SJW scene" literally everyone there was talking about how great cup head is, including several friends LPing or Streaming it.
hotelmario510 if I remember correctly, the lead singer was known to have epileptic seizures during shows. Some people would go just to see if he'd have one.
This all reminds me of one of the very first memes I ever came across and excuse me if I don't accurately transcribe it: GAMERS: Videogames are art and should be taken seriously!!!!! SOCIETY: Okay, videogames are art now and should be taken seriously. GAMERS: YAY! :D SOCIETY: So, now that videogames are art, we really should art looking at them more closely and analyzing them, like there's something we've noticed about how these games portray and treat women... GAMERS: What?! No! Stop! SOCIETY: And we think there's a problem with how these games portray minorities, too... GAMERS: SHUT UP!!!! I WILL KILL YOU!!!!!!!!!
+Brandon Gray I think that's a criticism of some First-Person Shooters, especially the ones in the Middle-East where the only brown people in the game are the ones the main character shoots.
+The Eloquent Elephant They're still considered minorities since these are games produced by Western companies and by largely white designers. If it was a Middle-Eastern publisher and a Middle-East dev. team, then I would probably say that they wouldn't be considered minorities. :)
Honestly the series of tweets that show the three people discussing cupheads artstyle seem so much more level headed and approachable than the dude who was retweeting it lol.
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It's always the 'fuck your feelings' crowd who are the first to loudly complain when their feelings are hurt
3 words: arrested emotional development. Imagine how much better society would be if these guys just got off the internet and sought out a therapist lol
@@Sarah-re7cg A terapist that wasn't Jordan Peterson
@@apoliticallyincorrect4811 if my therapist acted even remotely in the same manner as JP, they’d be fired so fucking fast
The same goes to the "freedom of speech is under attack" crowd always being the first to actively try and shut down (or as they say, gatekeep) anything they disagree with. Not to imply those are different groups, as the overlap is quite significant.
Exactly lol
Also yooo Ace Combat pfp
"What is it with the dice?"
Black people were portrayed as compulsive gamblers to explain away generational poverty as their own fault.
Ohhhh. that makes a lot of sense. thank you
This should have more attention than what it does
Oof 😓
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Man, that's racist.
This is the equivalent of the war on Christmas for "Gamers".
All this is for their side hustle(YT).
That's it
Yup.
I want an ASMR video that's just Shaun saying "coop-head" again and again in that smooth, sleepy Liverpoolian purr
NonCompete *Liverpudlian
@NonCompete His voice really is smooth, like damn. 😁👍
I'm here on a rewatch...that scouse lilt literally helps me sleep better than lofi chill hop or nature sounds.
@@InfiniteDeckhand Now I'm outraged 😂
@@oof-rr5nf
Is that your kink?
Critic scores for difficult games:
Dark Souls trilogy: 9/10
Bloodborne: 9/10
Cuphead: 9/10
Nioh 1 and 2: 9/10
Sekiro 9/10
GaMErS: "GAME JOURNALISTS HATE DIFFICULT GAMES BECAUSE SOMEONE WROTE AN OPINION PIECE ON IT"
Well of course, opinion is the oppsoite of fact, and good is the opposite of bad, and so if it's a fact that [game] is good, any opinion on it must be that it's bad :p
elden ring: 10/10
@@haveyoureadumineko tbh Elden Ring does make many improvements to the Souls formula.
And just recently, Elden Ring, the most difficult game of the year, was voted GOTY by critics of various media outlets. But nah man, let's keep pretending more people hate our games just to feel cooler about liking them.
And sifu, a game famous almost exclusively for its insane difficulty, is a favourite amongst game journalists and has a 9/10 on IGN and gamespot.
Cuphead is almost as hard as watching an entire minute of AlphaOmegaSin
I used to be subscribed to him, but then he started becoming more alt-right.
@@GiordanDiodato same. i forgot about his existence until this vid looooool
AlphaOmegaSin sounds like the username of a 14yr old Teenwolf fan tbh
I never even liked him when I was an anti-SJW.
Based on what I've seen, Cuphead is Kirby's Epic Yarn compared to that, at least now it is.
This reminds me of when I took art classes in university, and students would get really upset during critiques because they saw it as a personal insult to their work. Criticism is meant to help artists improve their craft by seeing it from another's perspective. Gamers need to realize that criticism isn't destroying the medium, but allowing it to grow.
Interesting, as a band nerd who is attempting to get a music degree I don't really see any of this, even for solo juries. I'm wondering if there's any systemic difference that would cause art majors to be more likely than music majors (like possibly the fact that musicians have to lean on each other for basically everything), or if it's just that the people drawn to both fields are influenced by the people present in each field (like how woodwinds have higher f:m ratios of incoming members than brass because of gender associations), or if it is the same and I'm just missing it on the music end of things..
@@firebrain2991 I'm studying at an art school. The way I see the difference is that music majors are often practicing a quantifiable skill, ie how well they play their instrument, how quickly they can pick up new scores, etc. A lot of visual arts students are not only critiqued on their skill within their medium of choice, but also on their style choices, the subject matter, their "taste" level. These are things which are much more subjective and often deeply personal, and although I think it's super important to receive critique on these aspects of your work when you're an artist, I think that's what can cause people to get defensive. Of course this doesn't count for music studies where composing is part of the curriculum, and I might be naively assuming wrong what things music students are judged on. I'm curious if this seems to make sense to you though! :)
@@firebrain2991 Adding onto this, many of the art projects we get critiqted on, because I'm in higher level classes, are graded on the execution of the concept as well as its aesthetics. Art pieces that say something with ALL parts of it are the ones that tend to do really well.
For example, if your concept is a critique of consumer culture through the medium of painting, a well-rendered painting on canvas might not do as well as a decently-rendered painting on candy wrappers stuck together. In the second painting, both the subject of the painting and the medium itself contribute to making your point.
But that's for the more conceptual pieces. When art is being judged on purely on execution, like a figure drawing, you've been with the piece for hours and all you can see are the mistakes. Seeing those same mistakes pointed out and more you didn't even catch can be demoralizing to say the least.
I guess to try to make a comparison to a musical preformance, it would be as if not only your musical ability was being judged, but also things like your posture and how quietly you flip the pages. It wouldn't be "how good this song can be preformed", it would be "how well does your preformance convey the emotion of the piece" if that makes sense. Art is intrinsicly personal, a little piece of yourself, which is why critiques can really hurt.
@@RordamJ adding onto this as another music major - a low brass player and bass singer. Although instrumentalists generally take criticism pretty well, vocalists are much more touchy, for much the same reasons listed here for visual arts. When your singing is critiqued, it’s not just your skill at singing that can be critiqued. It can be your facial expressions, the shape of your mouth, your interpretation and style choices in your genre (generally classical art songs, opera arias, jazz, and musical theatre). Plus, if someone criticizes your tone, that’s YOUR voice, not an instrument. What if they also don’t like your speaking voice? What if simply talking to people annoys them cuz of your voice???
In instrumental music there is a more apparent cultural sensitivity to criticism rather than an individual sensitivity. Imagine the outrage if someone discard Brahms, Mozart, Beethoven, Purcell, ect ect and said their writing was basic or too on the nose or whatever? Music education takes these peoples’ near deity-status as a given, and any time someone’s like “hey maybe we should actually teach more modern music, like Count Basie and stuff, with the same focus and care?” White supremacists come out of the woodwork to spout vapid defenses of the old by delegitimizing the new (see Adam Neely’s video on white supremacy).
Not an art major, but I did take a drawing (DRAW 101, Intro to Drawing) course as an elective once. The TA for the course said "a lot of these look like they were drawn by middle schoolers."
Some critique right there lmao... most of the people in the class weren't even art majors
Poor dean Takahashi, he is something everyone strive to be, self improving and rather humorous about his shortcomings. And still valuing a chellange, even if he sucks initially.
gamers: games are art!!!!!
critics: *analyse games as if they're art*
gamers: NO
who are you qouting, my friend
Let's fix the misunderstanding; it's time for everyone to learn.
gamers: games are art!!!!!
*non-gamer* critics: analyse games as if they're the art they know
gamers: NO
Horus SC
Which non-gamer critics? Because most of these articles do come from gaming websites and journalists.
Or just gamer critics rather than non gamer critics
It's more like critics analysing games as sociopolitical statements.
Maybe "these people" were inside our hearts all along.
These people are the ones we met along the way
@@theblackherald lmaoooo
Not cool d00d, untagged spoilers!
Maybe these people are the friends we made along the way
"Are 'these people' in the room with us right now?"
kind of inspiring
“These SJWs know no bounds!”
Hahahaha. So nice of him to inspire us like that.
AlphaOmegaSin inspires me to be the best and most social justicey social justice warrior I can (social justice) be!
I feel like there are more "Anti-SJWs" getting mad over nothing, than actual SJWs.
The matriarchy on Mars!
My favourite is "a retarded worm play better" -doge
As a lesbian who adores walking simulators, I wholeheartedly agree with the idea that developers should only make lesbian walking simulators.
wholeheartedly agree
lmao YESSS
but seriously, walking simulators rule.
I don't like walking most simulators, not my cup of tea (Edith Finch and Firewatch rule though) but if game devs only made lesbian walking simulators it would make Gamers™ really angry so I still think it'd be a net positive
@@Marb315 it would be enough if they made one lesbian walking simulator
@@Asaliuru i think the game "Gone Home" would qualify as a lesbian walking simulator, although i'm not the greatest at categorizing. The game is great either way and I definitely recommend. It has immaculate vibes and a fun story.
I always laugh at the "If society was destroyed/nuked [blank] people won't survive." The people who always say that probably have no skills in being able to survive in that kind of world.
"But I'll get a sword and kill my mom so that I can stay up past 8!"
As Renegade Media pointed out in his take on Thanos (spoilers, he's not actually right to kill half of everyone, we should kill excesses of capitalism's unequal distribution of critical life-giving resources instead and then there's literally enough for 10+ billion right now), even a guy with a supposedly completely fair purge method, delete half of everyone without regard to any category, class, type, or bias.... apparently didn't include himself in the snap.
Everyone who's ever actively called for mass purges in the real world, for the apocalypse, for some grand 'cleanse' of the Earth, always assumes they're going to come out on top of it all. That's why they do it, and it's always just as pathetic.
Ok sure people would die in a nuclear holocaust, Thad how this works. Afterwords more people would die. Valuing nuking societies to get rid of different groups of people is basically a nazis way of thinking
[insert joke about how playing Fallout is actually valuable training for surviving in a post-apocalyptic nuclear wasteland or something]
i wish more people would admit that they wouldnt survive. ill start: i will absolutely off myself before living in a nuclear wasteland, no thank you
"developers should only make walking simulators about lesbians from now on"
what if i want this unironically tho
Now how are we going to get trans representation if we only have games about cis lesbians? Use your head comrade!
@@CheapSkateGamer96 who said the lesbians had to be cis? don't call me comrade, terf!!!
@@CheapSkateGamer96 we're not talking about trans women, mate. lesbians can be trans but not all trans women are lesbians. like squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares. thems fighting words, you wanna settle this behind a dennys?
wouldn't that make most games walking simulators?
@@GiordanDiodato OMG that is so real.
Call of Duty - Walking and gun shooting simulator
GTA - Walking and carjacking simulator
Mirror's Edge - Walking fastly on rooftops simulator
Mario - Walking and jumping around stuff simulator
Making up fake outrage for clicks is the new counter culture yo.
Salokin it wouldn't be surprising if it were real.
Ain't that the truth man.
TiberiusNugicus But it isn't real. Stay on the facts.
If you wouldn't be surprised if it were real, then you misunderstand something about how the world works, since it isn't real. If you had a perfect understanding of the world, then ideally, no truth would surprise you and all falsehood would surprise you.
Fake outrage seems like a waste of time.
"They are constantly calling Cuphead racist! All the time!"
"Um...who, exactly?"
"THEM!!!"
THEM!
When a ideology refers to a "them" and they don't define who "them" is, then you know it's a bullshit ideology
Mr. weasel But even then, that is still pretty vague because SJW is just a strawman that can be anything they want. Even if it is completely contradictory.
Mr. weasel Again, still pretty vauge.
Mr. weasel
Well for one the idea that the "toxic left" makes shit up to make the right look bad is a complete lack of understanding of your opponent's arguments in an attempt of denial.
Secondly you are using leftist and toxicity pretty loosely. I'm pretty sure lots of people you are calling leftist are barely even that but you are calling them that because they said something you hate.
Thirdly, you aren't pointing to anybody directly. Because you know as soon as you do you'll get you ass laughed off to oblivion. So you stick to pointing indirectly to a vague shadowy concept that people can fill in with whoever they don't like.
Also NPC is a term unaware of its own irony. It demonstrates you are only here to call people names and spew bs. That or waste people's time with "jokes."
The real issue is why anyone would drink out of a coffee cup with a straw.
Bluehawk2008 is it iced coffee?
Soda is actually amazing like that. Porcelain insulates well.
hey! the dentist said I should.
bendy straw in coffee go brrrr >:)
Sour Punch Straw
Whenever people make up fake people yelling ablism, it makes it harder for me (a disabled person) to be taken seriously when I point out actual ablism. It's gotten to the point where people think I'm making up my disabilities just so I can get mad at something. People just don't take disabled people seriously, either because they are disabled or because they are 'making it up'. Just mote excuses to be ablist
vergak your 100% correct
I'm deaf in one ear, so I can't fully experience a game which has a mechanic with surround sound. Like a horror game with a monster hunting you, for example. I'll still enjoy the game though and why do right-wingers think I want to stop their enjoyment of it? It's ludicrous.
@Soviet who Cuts That is... none of your business...
I relate, OP :( sorry you have to deal with that too
Hey Shaun! You probably won’t read this in the sea of comments, but I noticed your videos don’t have closed captions (well, they have auto-generated CCs which are infamously bad especially when it comes to non-American English), and I was hoping I could fix that. There’s an option to allow community-written closed captions on your videos, and if you turn that on you videos would be much more likely to be accessed by a wider array of people. This doesn’t just include English- other people can add subtitles of different languages. Just thought you would be interested!
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One of the things that most frustrates me about anti-sjw types; they come real close to having valid critiques of oppressive systems, but manage to mangle them into tragically misdirected anger.
A bunch of men who feel oppressed...but, instead of realizing it's the capitalist system taking advantage of them, they blame feminism 🤦
That's the sad thing, they ARE victims. We are all victims. But instead of actually addressing the people in power, they attack other victims...only making it worse.
Ironic
And sometimes they have a legitimate grievance against leftist excesses/obnoxiousness, but then they take their grievance and rage, dial it up to 11, add a bunch of broad assumptions and lies, and start beating everyone upside the head with it.
@@ElvishShellfish and then when that gets tired, apparently they just start making stuff up.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 anti-sjw or conservatives or rightwingers or whatever you wanna called them, most of time know that the powerful are to blame but prefer actively to engange with minorities instead. It's more rewarding for them and they fell they can have an impact, at the heart of the debate there's a pessimist acceptance that the powerful will remain as such
The full version of “fuck your feelings” is actually “fuck your feelings, coddle mine”
You're doing it wrong. You're not supposed to calmly state an informed opinion.
This is the Internet, you're supposed to make wild assumptions and scream bloody murder.
@MadHatterMan Gr8 icon, m8 👌 Kobayashi is best girl
Honestly, the term "Wild assumptions" properly hits my funny bone. Not sure why, I just chuckle whenever I see it. Thanks for the laugh. 😂
Also, cursing. Lots and lots of cursing. And impressions of unspecified people.
anime pfp
HOW DARE YOU CALL HIM WRONG BECAUSE OF HIS HAIRSTYLE! YOU'RE NOTHING MORE THAN AN ANARCHIST MONARCHIST DELTA!
That work for you?
The ultimate irony of Alpha Omega Sin is that he loves Persona. A game series where you play as literal warriors of social justice and progress.
Can you explain because I thought persona was about stoping the world from falling in utter chaos.
Do you honestly think he actually cares enough about games to realize that?
"Don't believe me when people say they're mad about this game? Look at this angry conversation!"
First tweet in conversation: "I'm not personally upset about this game..."
That part upset me the most in this video. This Mark person had the counter evidence to his claim right in front of him and either misread or ignored the message. How does this happen?
Shaun summarizes that right at the start
fakeoutrage people have serious reading comprehension problems. theyre actually functionally Illiterate
Well, real enemies can actually push back so fighting the made up ones is so much better.
Dan Morgan Peta
Perhaps they felt that real enemies are "exclusionary."
I thought they were all about a challenge since HARD games is what they are all about. Interesting...
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342
It's like the guy in highschool that was always so proud to be the best at games, and then you watched him in the arcade and he kept slamming in quarters.
Disappointing sight!
It’s hilarious when gamers who insist that games are art hate when artistic criticism is applied to them.
what are you talking about?
lol, true.
they want to have their cake and eat it too
"artistic criticism"
@@katobytes No they want their cake, and everyone elses cake, beause if someone else got cake that somehow means they can't have any more cake and they want to eat ALL of the cake, not just theirs.
This is the whole Anti-SJW movement in a nutshell. Being offended by things that never happened.
I find it ironic that these people complain about people being too easily offended when they get offended by just about anything.
Luke Beauchamp yah anti-sjws will literally send you death threats
if you’re a feminist
some of what the anti-sjw movement is against is real. there are excesses by the left/social justice crowd that should be checked. However, that nugget of legitimacy is buried in exaggeration, demonization, and yes, a lot of fake outrage.
I just want to make sure we acknowledge the legitimate issues at the heart of toxic movements, because denying the kernels of truth only further legitimizes the movement in the eyes of its followers and moderate outsiders.
I see you have met my father
@@ElvishShellfish this is a very thoughtful opinion I did not think of it that way before
@@ElvishShellfish "some of what the anti-sjw movement is against is real. there are excesses by the left/social justice crowd that should be checked"
not really. Just because there are a couple videos on the internet with pale skin and purple/pink haired schizophrenic femi-nazis screaming at the top of their lungs about whatever doesn't mean that are "excesses" of the "SJW's. and leftist lipbtards"
Conservatist ideology supporters are the ones that are complaining and screaming at the top of their lungs about whatever. The "SJWS ARE RUINING MY VIBEO GAMEEEEES/ STAR WARRRS/STARK TREEEK/(INSERT POPULAR IP OR ART MEDIUM HERE)" is a daily and a very, very common occurrence on the internet.
I remember when I told a friend of mine I prefer games with at least the option of a female protagonist. He said "Oh you're one of THOSE people" and I explained to him that while I enjoy games with male protagonists, it's hard to immerse myself in the game. I'm glad he listened but most on the internet would have called me an SJW and ignore my argument entirely.
That would be cool
Obnoxious
@Reflet I think thats the difference between playing a character, and playing an avatar. I'm not a Metroid fan, but Samus as a character is pretty iconic in her own right (and I'm pretty sure a good chunk of her iconic-ness, at least from the outside, seems to be that she WAS, unexpectedly, a woman). But if you're playing a game where the main character is supposed to be you, the player-- idk my first thought was Pokémon, back in the old days when playing as a girl was new-- that's a huge thing for people who look at the guy sprite and think "wtf I am nothing like this human, I don't even feel right giving him my feminine name."
Omg these people exist outside of the net? Bruh that’s crazy, but honestly i hope he changed for the better or you now have better friends
The nice thing about customizable characters is that you can play as a female protagonist who isn't written weirdly
God, I hate "Gamers". For people, who constantly make fun of others being "triggered", they're the most emotional, easily manipulated professional victims of them all.
Which is ridicolous, because it assumes all gamers consider themselves equal.
Go on the Eve Online Forums and try to argue that WoW players are as good as them and see what happens. :P
yes, i sure do hate Those People as well
You can make a gamer do whatever you want if you say the evil SJWs are doing the opposite.
RUclipsrs like LegacyKillaHD, AlphaOmegaSin, YoungYea played a big part in this. Being reactionary and siding with the players to perpetuate the narrative that gamers are oppressed, that everything is coming to get them, when in fact that their voices in gaming are just as loud and widespread as any media outlet. In this case, it actually benefits them as they rely on clicks for their income.
Tell me about it, have you seen the Diablo Immortal reaction?
The anti-gambling message of Cuphead might seem to be referencing Jazz Age racist cartoons but clearly it's
a criticism of lootboxes.
What even is that 'terminal illness' skit? I can't even figure out how he's got there. What are games journalists supposed to do? Start curing cancer?
I think he was trying to say that games journalists' complaints about games are barely tangible at best, and hardly hold up to something as important as someone dying of cancer. Basically:
{Strawman: OMGs! Cuphead is racist and ableist!
Cancer Patient: But I've got cancer!
Strawman: That can wait, clearly Cuphead being racist and difficult is the bigger issue!}
You know, whataboutism and all that.
It's a really common tactic that tries to make an argument look bad without actually engaging with it, by saying that if you were a dick about it, you would be a dick about it. Another example of it would be the people defend Pokemon Sword and Shield by saying that if you said the criticisms of it to a child, you'd be a dick, even though that's a strawman because no one's doing that. (I'm sure there's a non-zero percent of people who have done that but it's not a representation of the whole nor does it invalidate the arguments)
It really similar to the "first world problems" argument, why do you care about X when unrelated issue Y is worse.
Basically, the world has big problems, so you should ignore the small ones. Even if fixing the small ones wouldn't detract from the big ones in any way. Even if I don't want to personally do anything about the big ones. Just don't talk about anything that won't directly and immediately kill somebody.
@@timothymclean To translate: "your problems are stupid shut up please"
I wish our problems were cataclysmic enough to talk about, I'm jelly.
Hi. It’s me your friendly neighborhood chronically ill, significantly disabled gamer. I personally super appreciate games journalists including us in their conversations. It helps me know what games I can or cannot enjoy, and I think it has encouraged developers to include more accessibility features and to explore different innovative approaches to game difficulty, allowing games to hit their target difficultly and intended experience without unnecessarily excluding people like me. Would I love it if someone suddenly discovered a cure to my rare, devastating genetic disorder? Yes, but it’s unlikely in my lifetime. In the mean time, hot damn I really want to play some good video games. Maybe if these “angry gamers” took a minute to talk one of the people they use in their straw man arguments, they would find most of us think this is in general, a good thing for us and the world.
I'm so confused by the reveal at 15:39. Did the dude literally forget about his own previous opinions or something? And not only forget but then become a direct opponent of them?
Anti-SJWs consider any kind of critique put forth by progressives as “SJW outrage” it seems.
Some, but not all of them. However, most of them that consider themselves "Anti-SJWs" probably do think like that.
You see a lot of that. It's the whole "You're SO TRIGGERED!" thing (which has devalued the valid and important concept of trigger warnings to the point of near unusability). "Feminists are literally made of boiling acid!" "...That's plainly not true, and it's kind of stupid to think that." "GOD I TROLLED YOU SO HARD YOU'RE SO TRIGGERED YOU'RE SO MAD"
This is also why they were able to read that article a being critical in the first place : multiple viewpoints is giving weight to something other than their viewpoint, and that is just as bad as silencing them. Their entire thing is wanting to be the only voice, and got upset at journalists saying anything else at all.
IMAGINE MY SHOOOOCK! 😂
TheLaxLex you can trick these guys into defending Metroid other M by saying that Samus was a sexualised damsel in distress in that game (which she kinda was like holy shit man)
"Alot of people online simply don't know how to read properly." Welcome to the internet.
I...always wondered why I never actually saw anyone outside a few 'real' tumblr posts saying cuphead was racist. Thanks for going in depth on this stuff, Shaun, You're one of my favorite channels as of late.
People are still spreading misinformation about the Dean Takahashi thing in 2022. The gamers still think it actually happened. 😔
didn't it?? the guy sucked sh*t from a straw
wow I missed all that 'controversy'. The lack of self awareness is just... astounding... they're literally complaining about manufactured outrage with manufactured outrage, except that what they're complaining about doesn't exist? It's like they've transformed into their own self-constructed stereotype
This video reminded me that I'm still subbed to AlphaOmegaSin even I haven't watched him in like 2+ years. Thanks for reminding me to unsub from that guy, Shaun.
SilvarusLupus I'd never even heard of him, this was not a good first impression; don't think I'll be watching more from him.
I tried to watch the video of him, that is in the description, but i think he deleted it. He probably realized that people saw thru his bullshit.
I used to really like his videos, maybe because we had similar taste in video games and he'd talk about stuff I liked. But eventually it became more and more about angry anti-SJW conspiracy theories, and spouting vitriol, and I just lost interest. Not only did it make for crappy videos, but as someone who also avidly paid attention to the gaming sphere, I was acutely aware of how shallow and mistaken his analysis of events was.
Yeah I was subbed to him for some time pre-#gamergate. I felt like he became really insufferable during and after. Maybe he was always like that idk, I only really remember the sjw rants at this point
Well said Living Legend. I too felt the same way about a few youtubers I used to watch who did gaming videos. They often make a lot of good points. Which games are good... Which companies are greedy... Etc etc... But they also say some really stupid shit and hypocritical shit. In the end you weigh the good with the bad and the bad won so you had to stop supporting them... Sucks but that's how it goes...
Reactionaries sometimes have so little ground to stand on that they have to outright invent imaginary people who they can actually win an argument against.
"Sometimes", how generous of you.
Reactionaries never have ground to stand on. If a group has grounds to be upset, that’s not reactionary, it’s protest.
Every time I come back to this video, the revelation that Ian Miles Cheong pointed out Cuphead's problematic throwbacks years before "SJWs" hits me like a ton of bricks.
What are the problematics throwbacks?
@@yulimartorrealba5851its in the video
Gamers want to be oppressed so badly
Just like everybody else these days. Everyone from huffington post to breitbart.
It's all so tiresome.
we live in a society
They just want busybodies to leave them alone.
Gamers rise up
HEY, being married with 2 kids is the only harsh and authoritarian treatment I want to be subject to personally. But I do appreciate your thinking about me.
I've been a gamer my whole life and I really hate how angsty some people are getting about the simple act of making some games more inclusive. Games journalism isn't the problem.
My soul left my body when I found out there are still gamergaters in 2017
Let me tell you about the dark days of *now-
Let me tell you about 2019
Boy oh boy, 2020 and they’re still there
@SpursFan214 Some scuffles on twitter, Peter Coffin and Jack Saint got involved, nothing actually interesting, just the ususal old rubbish.
I've never seen a group getting as easily mad and triggered as these anti-sjw gamers.
Yet we are snowflakes...
Oh boy, don't read the comments section under any news or sports article then.
and they have the audacity to call us snowflakes and say _we're_ the triggered ones :/
I cringe thinking how I used to eat this Anti-sjw nonsense all the time. Ich.
zillafire101 the fact you noticed you were wrong or thinking about things in an unhealthy or even damaging way means you shouldn't be too hard on yourself. By all means remember and keep in mind even on the left we can be susceptible to some of the same things, I mean confirmation bias not ya know... Nazis. But you did something alot of people are too scared to do well into their lives. Introspection. For that you should be proud
Omg. These comments are too pure for me.
Yeah I agree. The problem is I have trouble associating with communities like this one on Shaun's channel. I feel like both sides are just so unreasonable most of the time.
Some of it had merit, to be truthful. There is some fishy stuff going on in journalism, etc, but people have gone crazy with seeing "SJW' monsters everywhere. Even in stuff that is barely affected by it.
eartianwerewolf Yeah, but can't let these people paint the entire Feminist movement as a bunch of free speech silencing idiots.
4:31 Something about a person getting mad at SJWs while talking about how much they like Borderlands 2 feels ironic in a way I can't quite put my finger on
Orbital Frame that game written by that anti-Skub SJW brown person?
Orbital Frame is it because of Mikey?
The irony here is the hatred towards sjw is that they are overly sensitive, yet the very same people are so sensitive they can't even be bothered to read the article to get triggered.
SHEAR POTTERY
The triggered broflake is the most sensitive delicate creature ever to crap its collective diapers. "anti-sjws" are an embarrassment to their species.
You're right, theyre just the same sloppy generation of modern conformists. They are deeply sensitive and upset because they dont look inside themselves for anything at all, and take on a persona of interests which is usually the slop entertainment and hivemind culture around it. They are shrieking runts because they cant begin to have an adult conversation why their persona of interests, much less the behavior and idea of self it holds up, could be problematic, and both sides use the same toxic verbal abuse depending on the situation
I feel sooo badly for their moms
@@enkidude Bro, it's been 2 years since this comment, but I have to tell you that you express your thoughts very well in written form
Omg poor Dean. He was self-deprecating and was still attacked as if people thought he was claiming to be good at it
That AlphaOmegaSin is so cringe to watch
I can't help but skip over whenever anyone includes clips like that.
and i mean...his name is AlphaOmegaSin
he was the only reason i knew gamer gate was a thing and i bought into it at the time, so it's horrific to hear his voice again
@@joebeard4498 IDK what would be worse to revist; him or that other guy Rags.
Did anyone notice that AlphaOmegaSin’s video is unavailable now?
Honestly this fake hardcore vs casual ooo look at me I play dark souls all these walking simulators trend made me quit gaming.
It's just so boring.
I mean, wouldn't most games be walking simulators?
I will never forgive you for bringing back my terrible memories of AlphaOmegaSin. I've spent at least two years trying to forget about his existence
AlphaOmegaSin, from what I've watched of him, is one of those horrible RUclipsrs that jumps on a bandwagon of hatred (the Nintendo fangame thingy, the Assassin's Creed Unity thingy) and spews a lot of words and anger and bull manure to much fanfare and little effect.
In other words, he's like quite a few other RUclipsrs in the gaming news niche. And that's just depressing.
AlphaOmegaSin
One minor counterpoint to an otherwise strong video: King Dice, to me, is very clearly modelled on the black bandleader, singer and impresario Cab Calloway, from his demeanour to his dress sense and facial hair; Calloway and his band also famously performed his song "Minnie the Moocher" in a very early Betty Boop cartoon, a sequence which was hugely important for a number of reasons, not the least being that it was one of the first sound cartoons *and* soundtracked by black performers. (The song in question is also a dark, dark story about gambling addiction and basically a dirge.) While many of the tropes taken on by the designers of Cuphead do have some dubious overtones, I feel like that's one of the more respectful nods, although I do think it could have been more carefully handled perhaps.
I appreciate this take! I can see what you mean about the apparent omage to Mr. Calloway. I think it fits nicely with the general persona and character that King Dice plays.
King Dice was created by a black person Joseph Coleman and his literal art is in the thumbnail
AlphaOmegaSin is one of those gaming channels I am kinda embarrassed that I had ever subscribed to. He was a long line of channels that became ruined by obsessing over Anita Sarkeesian and calling everything "SJW".
Forced to reevaluate his channel, I realized that his content was fairly mediocre. A lot of his videos come off as unscripted rants that are highly repetitious. Sure, he name-dropped some great games, and he has an impressive collection, but he really lacks the intelligence and critical vocabulary to articulate what makes a game good or bad.
I used to sub to him too. Agreed with him completely about many things in gaming.
We both hate EA for being super greedy and making broken games.
We both hate quick time events as they don't add anything very interesting to game play "Press A to beat the game"
We both agree that super man 64 is trash lol.
But..... That being said........ He's still a horrible person. Mainly because of the stuff you just mentioned David Torre. Lol my name is David too.
I saw him also say some silly things like how he thought xbox one did the best at E3 in 2017. UHHH NO! lol. PS4 is killing xbox one.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 I read "Superman 64" as "Super Mario 64"
What’s wrong with unscripted rants?
Watch out mate, you're messin' with the Gamers™!!!
Also does AlphaOmegaSin frequently go up to people on their death bed and complain about his problems? In what world does anyone do this???
Right? Even if that scenario magically did pop up... No one would talk like that to sick folks. They would shut their mouths and feel bad about their troubles. Even guys like trump would know their place in a situation like that.
Funny enough, I try and explain to people on Chrisraygun's vid that critics are not decrying Cuphead as racist but decrying Cuphead for taking influence from racist media (which I don't think is problematic). Then I get told I'm definitely an SJW even though I don't think the developers of Cuphead are racist for borrowing elements from rubberhose animated cartoons that were racist because I consider Cuphead's use of those elements transformative.
Doesn't matter how much I try to explain that I don't think Cuphead is neither racist nor problematic, I have to be an SJW who disagrees with them because I'm not outraged about SJWs. I must submit and fit into the SJW box for disagreeing!
That'll show me for rattling the hornet's nest.
Yeah chris video is basically: I have read the headline of the article, thats enough for me.
Fucking unbelievable, gotta love how people go” hey chris ray guns realky smart, look at him argue about feminists when their not crying out
@GutsGetter I see the Cuphead developers take elements from racist cartoons, similar to a director taking technical elements from the movie "Birth of a Nation" for their movie. What I mean by technical is, the special effects they used, or the cinematography they used. It's not racist to me at all to do that. As long as you leave the garbage out.
ChambleeShow- True, but how can a person do that when the racists caricatures are such a big influence on these mediums that it’s nearly inseparable? I used to some art based of these cartoons because I grew up watching them(even the racists ones) and also because I found the character tar baby adorable. Even though I’m black and I thought it was normal my siblings were weirded out. Although I was at first defensive I began to think,”What makes their reaction less valid than mine?”
don't worry spartacus, they are just oppresors
Just because someone puts an feminist, historical or even a generally critical analysis on to something doesn’t always means there is a sudden declaration that person is claiming it’s bad. It’s pinning down a point to think about it based from a particular kind of thinking.
i swear these reactionaries literally argue against cardboard cutouts..lol
More like cardboard cutouts arguing against imaginary people.
Yeah these people are the worst
THESE PEOPLE
THEY
why do these people always "rant", why are they so angry all the time. and what do people get out of subscribing to someone whos entire joke is "screams at camera very loud"
I think it might be their testosterone pills.
They're Status Quo Warriors, ironically they get "triggered" just as much as the SJWs they make fun of
except for the fact, that "triggered" (I fucking despise that word in contexts like that) SJWs are not really a wide-spread phenomenon while nearly all of these people make their living out of spitting and screaming their disgust at their screens. If it weren't so sad, it would be kinda funny.
They rant because that's one way of getting more views for their rant videos. What the subscribers get out of it is their own satisfaction of being angry. Example: The Dark Tower
"these people", "always"...did you even watch the video? You are adapting the exact behavior that is beeing critizised by shaun. You are literally the person you are ranting about.
Thank you so much for making this. The amount of "discourse" about Cuphead's alleged hate brigade was obnoxious to paddle through when looking for any sort of in-depth analysis/review of the game. Then again, that's all you really need to do to get people riled up these days - yell about how SJW's are ruining Muh Vidya, show a few shoddily-written irrelevant articles and make a mountain out of a molehill.
i'm filing a police report
This was unexpected
Nice to see you gents here.
Hows that Archtype Archive - Ghostricks coming along hmm?
TFW I love your channel but I'm sadly dissapointed you seem to support SJWs :(
I’m an animator and I studied animation history in school. As a genuine lover of old animation and the origins of hand drawn...I honestly full heartedly agree with the racist reading of the style of animation used in cuphead. If you want to be a part of an artistic tradition: whether it’s film or animation or music or painting, it’s important to understand the history and it’s problematic aspects as well as it’s triumphs. What people don’t want to understand is you can like cuphead, you can like classic animation, but you can also criticize it.
Thanks for your perspective
No
@@user-lp7tx1fe6t facts don’t care about your feelings?
I’m very curious to know what you consider racist about the animation.
@@Raspieberry I feel like the problems with the cuphead inspirations was very well explained in the video.
This is the Cuphead of RUclips channels.
Dark Souls is the Shaun and Jen of Cuphead
Top Pupperanian This comment is the Dark Souls of cup-shapes anthromorphic people
HOLY SHIT GHOST TRICK AVATAR!
Sorry, it's just that this game is so underappreciated. It's like christmas morning whenever I see someone who acknowledges its existence.
This is the TOP POMERANIAN of youtube comments.
Lmao
Theres nothing wrong with difficult games
Theres nothing wrong with easy games
Carson Reddick exactly. It’s all about having fun. What one person might like might be totally different from what someone else likes, and that’s ok.
But if walking simulators are OK and people who play them get to come into the gamer clubhouse, how will I feel special for beating Dark Souls in three hours?
I use a walkthrough for almost every game I play because I hate the idea of wandering around not knowing what to do. And I still love all the games I play! My friend, on the other hand, loves open world games that you have to play multiple times to get all the info, and she doesn’t use a walkthrough. Both are fine!
@@timothymclean Simple; join the "beating Dark Souls in three hours" club.
Unless you're one of those dummies who like Cuphead >:(((((((((((((((((
I'm an animator and I really like the animation style of Cuphead - but I acknowledge the roots of it that are wrapped up in racist disgust.
Also that terminal illness thing happened to my Dad. He died in late July, leaving my mother and I with grief and financial turmoil, but I still found a moment to agree that Cuphead is problematic in some ways. People think about lots of things, I REALLY don't get the comparison. That guy is a fuckhead.
It's the latest evolution of "#firstworldproblems". Can't actually argue a point? Imply that it's a moot one anyway because oh look over here, there's people dealing with far worse things than being "loltiggered" over "made up fake sjw anti-free-speech problems" or whatever new buzzwords they've designed.
Personally, as someone whose friend routinely denied herself the right to vent to others or lean on them for moral/emotional support for those very reasons, fuck people who use this argument. It's garbage, and exists solely to justify refusing to acknowledge someone.
AlphaOmegaSin getting unreasonably angry while the cup head music plays in the background is high comedy
I literally saw NO ONE losing it at cuphead, not even the people I consider "irrational leftists" said a damned thing. I feel like this dude saw a troll or some random off the handle person in a comment? or tweet? and thought it must've been a trend he could latch onto. Which not only does that show how desperate for clicks he and others like him are, but also how little the commenters and audience to do any actual research or bother looking into anything.
I think the AlphaOmegaSin guy deleted his video. I wonder if it was because of Shaun
My eyes are slowly being opened to the fact that my view of Gamers (tm) as just guys who don't like women in video games was the tip of a goddamn iceberg
Well, more and more women started playing mainstream multiplayer videogames, prime examples being Valorant and League of legends. With both sexes becoming more balanced in the scene, mysoginy will become less
They don't care about women in video games as long as they stick to gaming against each other, it seems. The field of professional gaming follows the route of traditional sports: standardized by every other means but somehow still unequal due to "financing issues".
@@lukebrainmanwhat a naive thing to say lol
Controversial opinion that shouldn't be controversial:
Saying a games journalist can't do their job properly because he's not great at one particular (very hard) game is stupid. It's like saying a literary critic is bad at their job because of how long it took them to finish reading Ulysses.
Well, that's the thing. If the literary critic didn't actually finish Ulysses, it's hard for them to write about it. I've seen many gaming journalists entirely misrepresent games I've sunk countless hours in and that I know in and out, simply because they're going off of sparse experience. I know that some games are long or hard, but if you're going to bother to give your opinion on it, at least make sure it's well founded. That's what I say, anyways.
Sylvester G Harold Perhaps, but this wasn’t the case here, and it’s monetarily impossible for games journalists to explore every part of a game. A good book takes perhaps a dozen hours to complete, a good game can take upwards of a hundred even before you add in side-quests. In my opinion (and this is pure opinion) the onus is on you, the reader, to take the reviewer’s opinion as their truth, knowing that they were forced to rush through. Don’t get angry at them, just acknowledge that reviews are imperfect, it’s impossible for someone to perfectly describe a game to you before you play it, and move on. Admittedly, not that I play that many games or read that many reviews, but several of the ones I have read have noted at some point in the article that they either ignored the side quests or didn’t finish the main story. I think that also show’s Shaun’s poiny about people not understanding how to read. Reading has context, and doesn’t impart unfiltered truth.
Yeah, but this is more akin to a book critic not being able to read or not understanding very basic vocabulary words.
@@sylvestergharold7265 Did you listen to this part of the video? 6:44
@@cathsaigh2197 I did indeed. This isn't about this particular cuphead run, though. I was speaking more generally, to games journalism as a whole. As to address earlier counter points, I do agree that it is impossible for them to 100% complete every game, or even complete them 50%. It's to be expected that sometimes they misrepresent the games, as a result. However, that doesn't excuse the fact that they're still giving what is essentially misinformation. I wouldn't want my book reviews to be faulty due to the fact that I didn't experience all that the story had to offer.
It was really hard to watch the AlphaOmegaSin bits. Watching someone who obviously hasn't acquainted himself with the "controversy" get needlessly worked up about something he could just as easily ignore is horribly cringeworthy. That's the anti-sjws for ya though.
and sadly when we call him out on that, his fantards get angry.
a "walking simulator about lesbians" would be nice though
Would you Go Home to play it?
i sure would!
I would love it
I'd play it
Big fax, when someone makes one I'm def gonna be there at the release
The most ironic thing about anti-sjws is that each and every single trait they ascribe to sjws is far more appropriate when ascribed to them. Psychological projection at its finest.
What's the phrase? "Sargon's law applies to Sargon's law."
I've got to be honest... I clicked this video cos I wanted to hear you say "Cuphead". Very endearing in your accent. ^_^
And great video, btw, as ever. I'm subscribed!
anyone who uses the word "social justice warrior" seriously should be laughed out of existence
Is it okay if I self-identify as an SJW
@@michaels70171 But it isn't meant to be positive, an activist is basically and sjw but with a positive connotation and sjw is a negative connotation.
@@dontgotovideos5560 I was told that SJW was originally a positive term
Sarah D Don’t use it as a positive in any online argument, it is practically suicide
Okay social justice warrior
it's frustrating to see conversations of video games get polluted by all these cries of "SJWS ARE RUINING GAMES". we're missing out on good discussions about game design and cultural portrayals.
Cuphead drama is obviously a reverberation of the gamergate drama which was just a overzealous culture war. The only thing being pushed here is the narrative that games journalists aren't real gamers and shouldn't have influence in the games industry.
To be fair, it's very hard to take the opinion of someone who has trouble finishing a tutorial seriously. Basic dexterity and understanding of mechanics should be a bare minimum requirement in the job description.
@@PSspecialist True, but that was a single guy, hardly a representative of all games journalists, though these angry shouty men on the internet would have you believe otherwise
@@flossimoth I had probably made that comment before even watching Shaun's video having some pre conceived notions about that whole situation. Something I had found out much later was that, originally, Dean didn't even want to upload the gameplay video thinking it was worthless and it was his co-workers that nudged him to do it because they thought it'd be funny. I was flabbergasted when I realised the same people who ridicule folks for not having a sense of humour got so upset over a joke gameplay video that wasn't even aimed at their expense! I also felt ashamed that I fell for their rhetoric even though I should have known better. (didn't send the guy death threats over it though, Jesus)
I still stand by what I said that reviewers should be skilled at games but I realize now how pointless that statement is because... they are! No one is saying that they shouldn't be!
@@PSspecialist Haha, very true. it can be easy to fall for that type of rhetoric because it takes a lot more research and effort to find the truth than it does for them to throw out such attacks. having to be on guard all the time is exhausting, and I don't blame you for falling for it. I likely would have too, if my first exposure to this whole thing wasn't from people refuting said rhetoric. also, I din't know that he didn't want to upload it originally, that's interesting! poor guy got his original intent twisted around so badly that even people who would have been understanding got misled into hating him
I'd like to add a couple of examples.
Mass Effect: Andromeda
Claim: "SJWs are ruining my games".
That's really happened: Troubled development history, new game engine lacking important features, major game rescopes -> most development were done in last 2 years -> timelines for writers, animators and testers shifted to the very end, hence poor quality of the final product. Gator folks blamed a number of individuals among people working at BioWare, "SJWs", for ruining "their" game.
Among them a motion capture actress, who was misrepresented as the lead animator. I'm not sure if the twitter message presented as confirmation was legit, but she was not.
A writer, who happened to be a woman and a feminist (the horror!). Writing is done by a team of people, it's 5-10 people. We know that it had a number of writers from ME3, what we don't know is how much she contributed and what parts. She was hired relatively late.
And the guy, Manveer Heir one of the developers, who was misrepresented as a manager who forced "diversity hires" and hence ruined the game. One of a few brown guys on the project, of course, wasn't a manager, on the project, nor he was in a position to force hires, an easily verifiable fact. I tried to explain that to one gater guy, presented the evidence, a (strikingly white) photo of development team & the managers. He kept grasping at straws, trying to find an excuse to still blame him.
PUBG
Claim: "Some girls complained about a shirts model with camel toe, PUBG apologised and fixed that, therefore SJWs are distracting PUBG from real issues like improving the networking code. SJWs are ruining my games."
Engine development and 3D design is done by different people. Given the fact that selling skins is PUBG's business model they likely have an entire team of 3D designers. People didn't like something, they spoke out, they got it fixed. No harm is done.
It's easier to blame imaginary things then to point the blame at the real things that will include you among them.
Did PUBG fail because of "SJWs," or because the devs took lessons from EA when it came to monetization?
"That was before the ant colony decided to nest in his head, I guess." That is brilliant, and I'm going to henceforth use it in casual conversation, even if the context doesn't call for it.
I'm proud of your pronunciation of "Fleischer", especially considering your previous attempts at German names.
Auch ein blindes Huhn findet mal ein Korn, no hate :D
Also, want to point out the Game Grumps relayed the same fake accusation about people calling Mario Oddesey Racist for the Sombrero hat when in reality there was only ever one tweet and it just said "it would be nice if we stopped doing this", to which Breitbart, The daily caller, and the blaze all wrote articles about it.
Yeah these skeptics sure don't let feelings lead them to their conclusions...
... God dammit.
I remember this. I was a shithead in college and wound up on the wrong side of this fake controversy. I didn't even know the whole thing was fake.
I wish I found this video then, it might have saved me a year or so of guilt.
Just watched the new Contra vid, then this uploaded. I'm in SJW heaven
+Abigail Cockbane SAME! 😂
+Somniferous Almond Correction, *COMMULISM
I agree. Thank you Soros for all this content.
~same~ still thinking about her critic of necessary violence vs enjoying it
Now all I need is to watch hbomberguys new video~
Congrats on the correct pronouncation of Fleischer! I think it's the first time you correctly pronounced a German word. Great video as always!
Nobody Listens Technically the Fleischers are Polish and pronounced their name Flaysher
Qaezec Avery Damn it
That's unsatisfying. But also interesting. So it evens out, I guess.
Quaezec Avery My life is a lie!
So embarrassingly enough, I used to fall for shit like this. I was primed to expect the next “SJW shitstorm” so if you said “feminists wanted to ban Zelda because it’s sexist, I would’ve believed you and would’ve taken to Twitter to complain about this “ultra-pc SJW-dominated world”. Ugh I was insufferable. I mean I still am but for other reasons.
I witnessed this fake outrage in action when on Reddit someone made a post about how men are really oppressed and women are the oppressors. Poster claimed he received death threats and horrible messages as a result. People in the thread were all in agreement about how horrible feminists are and how brave the OP was for posting what he did. Within the thread were heavily downvoted comments calling him a liar, so I tried a different tactic. Laughed along and asked to see screenshots so we could all laugh. Suddenly the OP went dead silent on the thread. My comment was the only one he hadn’t responded to. People began to join in asking for screenshots and before you knew it, the post was deleted. So basically if you want to call these people out, play along and ask for screenshots not in a way that shows you don’t believe them, but in a way that sounds like you want to laugh along. This is just one experience I’ve had using this method. It works surprisingly well. Oh and if I can find screenshots proving the story I just told you, I will add them in an edit.
“OMG DUDE can I have screenshots?? That shit is soo funny to me!”
…
“Dude?”
*post deleted*
Game Journalist: Ya know Cupheads animation style and even story are very similar to fleischer animation from the 1950s which unfortunately often depicted african americans in extremely racist caricatures.
AlphaOmegaSin: OH MY GOD YOU EZJAYBUBBYOOS THINK EVERYTHIGN IS RACIST!!!
Brie Russell I think the name wasn't really the point however, and yes it is a bit inflammatory to name something for what it didn't come from. But I wouldn't make that the one thing that turns you away from the analysis and the argument made.
But on the whole you're right and it should be clarified and I appreciate that you brought it up.
Ha yeah. And which out of those two sides seems more easily offended and reactionary?
The irony of AOS esque idiots is continually astounding.
RedEyeSam EZJAYBUBBYOOS is my new favourite word
I'm offended that you would associate Miles "Tails" Prower with that Ian Chong joker. Apologise to our fine foxy friend immediately.
Hi I'm from the future. You've hit the nail on the head when you said "Ian Chong joker" since joker is pretty much synonymous with his type.
Tails is awesome
Shaun Hbomb and Contra?! It’s too much, it’s all too much
Hbomb has a new video too?! Damn
Also Lindsay Ellis and Dan Olson uploaded this week!
I just discovered all of these people. As someone said above, “I’m in SJW heaven.”
NO ITS NOT ENOUGH... ITS NOOOOT ENOUGHHHH!!
comments like this one make me feel uncomfortably like a kind of person
People: "Dude, I think this thing that has some weird implications could have been better executed"
Anti-SJWs: "ThEsE sJwS aRe So EaSiLy OfFeNd"
Literally came over here from the Doom Outrage video because it showed up in my recommended videos and I really don't remember there being any "outrage" about Cuphead so this is gonna be good
I remember watching the Cooptional Podcast, when TotalBiscuit mentioned that he thinks (unless I misunderstood him) that people like Dean Takahachi, who are bad at video games, maybe should not be game journalists.
Which struck me as odd at the time, seeing as how Jim Sterling, a man I love dearly is - in my opinion - extremely bad at video games, sometimes to a point where I want to close some of his videos just by being so appaled at his weak gameplay. But I wouldn't ever deny him his opinion because of how good or bad he plays.
So why should Dean Takahachi leave? Worst case, you ignore his opinion and that is it.
TotalBiscuit is a bloviating asshole who supported Gamergate and has recently been lying about doing so. I'm not the least bit surprised tbh.
The Snarky Lesbian I liked TB (RIP), but he could be also very self-indulgent sometimes, by which time he became an obnoxious gatekeeper for the gaming culture. It's sad that he defended Dodger vehmently when she was insulted just for being in a girl who plays and talks about video games.
Late comment, but I do think you missed TB's point. He took umbrage with how Dean actually misinformed people due to his ineptitude, and that can be damaging to the games themselves.
Where Dean tried to make Cuphead out to be this Dark Souls level of difficulty (which it by all accounts isn't), John and Jim didn't/don't mislead people just because they're bad at certain genres. TB was terrible at puzzle games (aside from Antichamber) and puzzle-platformers, but he never slammed Mass Effect for being too difficult because he forgot to assign ability points... like Dean. Jim can suck at some games, but he's well learned enough that he wouldn't call Warhammer: Space Marine a Gears of War knockoff... like Dean. Neither of them are so inept as to credit a completely different development team (say, Team Meat instead of Studio MDHR) and then take a week to amend things... like Dean.
John's point was that if you're going to do game reviews and present yourself as a games critic, you're going to have a certain broad level of skill just from playing so many games, even if you never come close to ever mastering anything, and that is necessary to present the works as what they actually are to the critic's audience. If Dean were a let's player or something like that, TB wouldn't have had a problem with Dean's coverage.
Basically, Dean presented Cuphead as this Dark Souls-esque challenge and the whole hubbub over his preview has led to the game's perceived level of difficulty overshadowing it to an extent. I wouldn't be surprised if some people who may have otherwise bought Cuphead decided not to after hearing it was as difficult as Dark Souls.
As is, Dean probably should just stick to tech reviews. Dean really is atrocious when it comes to game coverage.
As far as him being a "gate-keeping asshole" is concerned, I don't see that at all. John was supportive of providing options to those of varying abilities; ex. he was one of the few in the industry to always mention the colorblind settings and would even go so far as to criticize a game which lacked them when it shouldn't have. He supported a skip combat option in most games, for those who don't care about combat, can't handle combat, or were busy being a single parent or whatever. He got away from the GamerGate association real quick and you can tell he really was only ever in it for the ethics side of things, because I sincerely doubt someone like Sargon or MundaneMatt would've interviewed the editor in chief of Kotaku at that time to get their side of the story. The fact that people _still_ bring that up to lambast him is disconcerting. John wasn't perfect, no one is, but he for damn sure wasn't some Bogeyman.
When you said "that journalist there being... Ian Miles Cheong" I could almost hear the crowd of people going OOOOOOOHHH in my head, damn. What a burn.
Maybe the real, “these people”, was the friends we made along the way
I think one of my favorite hypocrisies of these types of gamers, is how they go on about "feelings" and how little they care for the feelings of others, or indeed the concept itself (pick a "skeptical" or "rational" youtuber and go into their videos, just wait to see how long they disparage "feelings") and how "cool" they are being being "apathetic", when something as small and inconsequential as someone criticizing a videogame spawns a huge, angry, backlash.
Brandon Crowley did you hear about the gamers that lost their minds at a mediocre score from jim sterling for the newest mario game? the review was entirely faked as looking at metacritic would show you it wasn't there. In fact, he had not even played the game yet.
Indeed I did, but of course I for one, was positive he had played it, being the #1 Nintendo Boy that he is. I was under the impression that Miyamoto was sending him the earliest builds as soon as possible as an apology letter for all the backlash that Jim Fucking Sterling, Son was getting because of his 7/10 for BoTW
Brandon Crowley I was too busy laughing at people outraged at the idea of a 7/10 being a bad score to bother verifying it one way or the other. Back before 2000 most good games were rated such and only the truly exceptional got higher.
I also was too busy shaking my head at people freaking out over someones supposed opinion because they didn't like it. I don't like a lot of popular things. doesn't mean I hate people that do like them or the other way around. It makes no sense.
Either way his video taking a laugh at the was the first of his videos I've watched in ages. I'm just not interested I'm his content usually.
Also there is debate about whether Cuphead is Ablest or not, not, surprisingly because of it's difficulty level but of visual and GUI elements that made it hard to decipher for players with certain visual or reading conditions. Game Maker's Toolkit has an excellent series on Designing for Disability in games that touches on this issue (spanning all games, not just Cuphead)
Yeah, that guy is a reactionary div. His proudest moment was when Anita Sarkeesian mentioned his name. But I mean, he calls himself AlphaOmegaSin. You kinda have to know what you're getting yourself in for when you watch a video from a guy with a Captain Edgelord name like that.
I remember his response to the Nintendo fangame situation. It was just "REEEEE" like every other gaming channel of his caliber without a lick of intelligence or foresight.
As someone who is very good friends with "the SJW scene" literally everyone there was talking about how great cup head is, including several friends LPing or Streaming it.
>Epilepsy
>I might just lose control
Didn't Joy Division do a song about that?
hotelmario510 if I remember correctly, the lead singer was known to have epileptic seizures during shows. Some people would go just to see if he'd have one.
Yup.
This all reminds me of one of the very first memes I ever came across and excuse me if I don't accurately transcribe it:
GAMERS: Videogames are art and should be taken seriously!!!!!
SOCIETY: Okay, videogames are art now and should be taken seriously.
GAMERS: YAY! :D
SOCIETY: So, now that videogames are art, we really should art looking at them more closely and analyzing them, like there's something we've noticed about how these games portray and treat women...
GAMERS: What?! No! Stop!
SOCIETY: And we think there's a problem with how these games portray minorities, too...
GAMERS: SHUT UP!!!! I WILL KILL YOU!!!!!!!!!
Jacob Marion lol
+a hellenic pagan Yup, that pretty much sums it all up. :P
+Brandon Gray I think that's a criticism of some First-Person Shooters, especially the ones in the Middle-East where the only brown people in the game are the ones the main character shoots.
Jacob Marion Well they're not minorities if it's in the Middle East, are they?
+The Eloquent Elephant They're still considered minorities since these are games produced by Western companies and by largely white designers. If it was a Middle-Eastern publisher and a Middle-East dev. team, then I would probably say that they wouldn't be considered minorities. :)
shaun completely decimating an argument by pointing out the other side’s inability to read boosts my hp every time (see lauren southern, sargan, etc.)
Honestly the series of tweets that show the three people discussing cupheads artstyle seem so much more level headed and approachable than the dude who was retweeting it lol.