@@julienvaniseghem9399 But then you wouldn't have the wood to build barracks + 2 stables. According to my number crunching, queueing up 3 villagers is enough to go to feudal with no idle time, and with dravidian wood for level up, you can build the barracks instantly into two stables.
This one was so smooth! Got the pressure in much earlier, and even though that wasn't enough you hung on for so long! I do think there's room for going even faster though. When commenters are telling you to rush I don't think they meant "don't boom". With 10,000 gold you can do both! 18 pop up feudal rush with a simultaneous fast castle 5 TC boom is 100% doable. That 10,000 gold does you no good just sitting in the bank; gotta spend it as quick as possible. Maybe even idle TC and go up to feudal at 14 pop or something ridiculous like that. You can easily make up the resulting villager deficit by getting to 5 TCs faster.
Pretty sure the best play is to click up at 18-19 pop, transition most vills to wood, make a barracks before reaching feudal, instantly drop the marked and another military building with 7-8 builders total so you only have to que loom. (preferebly build a range or two if not bulgarians or Spanish to take advantage of the gold. With mezzo eagles could be good two). Buy 800 food to click castle age. Make feudal army as you advance to castle age on19-20 pop. Make both army and tc's in castle age. All this is possible with the marked and 10 000 gold. Also you should by the food/wood/stone you know you are gonna buy early rather than later to prevent the enemy team from giving you worse buying prices later. I know we are just plebs telling a 3k player what to do but it just seems like there is no reason to go up as late as you are in these games when all you need is a marked and you have plenty of res for everything including hitting castle age on 19 pop and getting a huge tech timing advantage while also starting your boom earlier.
Maybe fast feudal and buy castle age instantly if you want to boom, but from your own teachings I feel saving gold for later is like flooding gold in some sense. Also, why do you send so many villagers forward?! You start with 10k gold not food. They are not pros, archers and militia cost gold, and can I bet you could make 20 archers and still fast castle. Yours sincerely, a 400 Elo player
I love the cheat challenges; there's lots of room for creativity with all of these. 1 vs X but you get one use of "put on your capes", or you get marco and/or polo, or an alpaca every 5 minutes starting minute 20. There's so much potential.
these games are so much fun. It's amazing to see the difference between your base construction and resource allocation choices in the short and long term, and how your insane micro and solid composition lets you fight on so long.
So so so so much funnn hahaha one of the best ones. I can t believe how long you hold been 1vs5 , that s eso carry a lot. Cheers! More of this ones please
think the strat is: FC > Boom up to 75 vills, then go 3 or 4 stable knights and like a hord just plunder one player for a minute one after the other and follow up with 1,2,3 castles on different players. You need to definitely hurt each one of them early castle or at least 3 of them.
9:00 me facepalming as Hera tries to naked Krepost drop against 5, instead of just adding in some MAA (your opponents are sub-1K elo and you get longswords for free)
feels like these games always come down to pop at the end. maybe some sort of trade off where you gain more pop for every player you kill or something like that would make it more interesting
I really like these, but think that even with the extra starting res you should also give yourself +50 pop per player. It makes it more exciting at the end :D
Love these videos. I think youtube is right though. You said it yourself you have to win early, when you open with a boom, it just buys the opponents time. Also imo I think you’re better off with food instead of gold. You basically converted 10k gold into 5k by selling. Selling food is way better with the new patch so doing that way its more flexible because you would get more gold than the other way.
Quick question, after seeing this I was wondering what would happen if two pros each manage a team of say 3 or 4 amateurs on roughly similar ELOs, was something like this done before? Thanks for the great content Hera, been enjoying both your informational stuff as well as your tournaments over the last years!
Just a quick suggestion for Hera; Next time you do these games, just add a rule that bans trading with your team. Because a map like Gold Rush falls a bit flat when you can just ignore mid and get your gold from safe trading at the edge of the map instead.
I think 20 pop boost would be pretty fair because your economy would be comparable to the opponents but you would have sufficient army to contest each player. +50 is pretty op if your boomed up
I think it'd be cool to see a game with Hera V 4 players but Hera starts with two bases and two sets of stsrting resources and villagers at different parts of the map and double the pop limit. Essentially Hera is controlling two different players at the same time.
you should try a 1v7 but they have to stay one age below you at all times. except dark age obviously. it would be really fun watching a bunch of castle age knights running the gauntlet with Khmer scorpions. or maybe feudal units vs Burgundian cavalier. that might be too op though so maybe restrict the Burgundians.
Great game. With 200 pop, population efficiency matters so much, SO seems like a good thing to try again in future games. I think if you hadn't been spotted during your first krepost attempt you could have snowballed even harder. Tips from a noob.
i think it would be fun a 2v4 (or something like that) and everyone else is a noob, like, 500 elo or less. the catch is, you CANT attack, you can only defend your base and your ally base. id recommend you to be on voice chat so you can coach your ally while you try to keep both of you alive long enough for them to kill the rest 11
ahh, so only the ally could attack. that sounds hilarious 11. i think it would probably be a 3h game though. or Hera booms and slings the dude and he just spams. but i'd watch it for sure 11 !
There needs to be a clause that says when you defeat a player you get 10k of whatever resource. (I already see the flaw because they just hide villagers) 1v5 is already impossible but at least that way you could take 1 or 2 out 200v1000 is just not doable
i think, its possible with 20k gold, and min. of 200 pop more, so you get 400 and all of get 200 cuz 5 dudes with 200 each is 1000 that is the biggest thing here
He would probably win with a 1v15 on aegis if the map allowed. That's instant hunt and berries to get to an instant feudal, then instant gold for maybe a 1:30 castle time, and boom you have instant gold, wood, and stone to pop instant forward castles with 1 vil, into instant 20 mangudai in each base while they're all still dark age. Nobody would be able to get up to feudal, let alone get gold for castle. Fully upgraded mangudai by minute 10 most likely, and enough of them to be in everyone's base
Who were the youtube commentators recommending that he early rush and not pure boom lol. I didn't think that was a good idea. Nice recovery though. Those scorpion numbers were absurd though. How could they afford that many scorpions? I'm wondering if most of the players built trash units and donated their gold to one or two players to build gold units. If that is the case, 10,000 gold probably isn't enough. Especially with how bad the market prices were. Edit - seeing the statistics, yeah Dimi collected 20k gold. They definitely were tributing gold to a dedicated player. And since he was on scorpions I'm guessing he tribute most of his food to yeti or emp. peter? If this wasn't gold rush map, you would be trading parity with Dimi in terms of gold.
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in 1 v 4 or 5 you need more pop space just extra res makes you survive, extra res with extra pop is where you can fight multiple places at once
I love the creativity you have - always new ways to play with relative noobs, makes it very fun to watch!
Thanks alot!!! ❤
Edit: sam is the goat of lotr!!
Finally I can see your pov of the game :D (Dimi here)
You lost on paper but killing 3 times more than all your opponents combined and holding on for so long, you truly did won in viewers eyes. Respect 🙌
33:00 that whole minute with the mangonels against the scorpions felt satisfying
Bro this Video was uploaded 7 mins ago do u watch at 2x ?😂
@@sefatokuslu2392I was just hoping someone would call it out LMAO
Btw. I did sling almost over 10k Food to finance yeti's reboom and emp. peters constant aggressions since i was on full scorps 11
Perfect pocket!
@@Emp._Peter Perfect flank, gave me the time I needed
you only sent 10K tho
or thats what the stats say at least
@@agro7007 felt like it was more
Third attempt at suggesting a Dravidian 10000 food start for the fastest Scout Rush ever.
So much this!!!
Are not sure it would be faster with Georgian?
As you don't have to wait for wood to clik feudal
@@julienvaniseghem9399 But then you wouldn't have the wood to build barracks + 2 stables.
According to my number crunching, queueing up 3 villagers is enough to go to feudal with no idle time, and with dravidian wood for level up, you can build the barracks instantly into two stables.
@@shacolin6546 you just need wood to build a market
This one was so smooth! Got the pressure in much earlier, and even though that wasn't enough you hung on for so long!
I do think there's room for going even faster though. When commenters are telling you to rush I don't think they meant "don't boom". With 10,000 gold you can do both! 18 pop up feudal rush with a simultaneous fast castle 5 TC boom is 100% doable. That 10,000 gold does you no good just sitting in the bank; gotta spend it as quick as possible. Maybe even idle TC and go up to feudal at 14 pop or something ridiculous like that. You can easily make up the resulting villager deficit by getting to 5 TCs faster.
i agree. heck, even like 3 range archers while fc boom is totally doable. would be sick to see the management.
RUclips comments: don't boom
Hera: krepost rush against army
Those mangonel shots got me waking up my neighbors up at 3am XD
Pretty sure the best play is to click up at 18-19 pop, transition most vills to wood, make a barracks before reaching feudal, instantly drop the marked and another military building with 7-8 builders total so you only have to que loom. (preferebly build a range or two if not bulgarians or Spanish to take advantage of the gold. With mezzo eagles could be good two). Buy 800 food to click castle age. Make feudal army as you advance to castle age on19-20 pop. Make both army and tc's in castle age.
All this is possible with the marked and 10 000 gold. Also you should by the food/wood/stone you know you are gonna buy early rather than later to prevent the enemy team from giving you worse buying prices later. I know we are just plebs telling a 3k player what to do but it just seems like there is no reason to go up as late as you are in these games when all you need is a marked and you have plenty of res for everything including hitting castle age on 19 pop and getting a huge tech timing advantage while also starting your boom earlier.
Maybe fast feudal and buy castle age instantly if you want to boom, but from your own teachings I feel saving gold for later is like flooding gold in some sense.
Also, why do you send so many villagers forward?! You start with 10k gold not food. They are not pros, archers and militia cost gold, and can I bet you could make 20 archers and still fast castle.
Yours sincerely, a 400 Elo player
I love the cheat challenges; there's lots of room for creativity with all of these. 1 vs X but you get one use of "put on your capes", or you get marco and/or polo, or an alpaca every 5 minutes starting minute 20. There's so much potential.
these games are so much fun. It's amazing to see the difference between your base construction and resource allocation choices in the short and long term, and how your insane micro and solid composition lets you fight on so long.
So so so so much funnn hahaha one of the best ones. I can t believe how long you hold been 1vs5 , that s eso carry a lot. Cheers! More of this ones please
I haven't played this game for years but this video popped up in my feed. This was freaking insane. I enjoyed the video a lot.
I love how Hera's humbleness it totally gone 🤣 (this is no hate, I really like it, you deserve it AoE God)
Dammmm Hera is so dam good. The things he comes back from I’d would have resigned a million times. Respect
think the strat is: FC > Boom up to 75 vills, then go 3 or 4 stable knights and like a hord just plunder one player for a minute one after the other and follow up with 1,2,3 castles on different players. You need to definitely hurt each one of them early castle or at least 3 of them.
The crunch sound when you can finally land a SO shot on the scorpion mass is unreasonably satisfying
9:00 me facepalming as Hera tries to naked Krepost drop against 5, instead of just adding in some MAA (your opponents are sub-1K elo and you get longswords for free)
feels like these games always come down to pop at the end. maybe some sort of trade off where you gain more pop for every player you kill or something like that would make it more interesting
Would you consider doing a 1 v 5 wonder defense?
And map is black forrest
he did wonder defense 2v4 you can watch it. i don't think 1v5 is realistic. defending is hard. houfnice or siege onager in ideal conditions maybe.
I really like these, but think that even with the extra starting res you should also give yourself +50 pop per player. It makes it more exciting at the end :D
that was insane. well played hera
Really cool video man next time more pop you should win with 300 or 400 should be good really nice fight
Shawarma raids were crazy, that was the start of the pop troubles
Oh how I love these versus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love these videos. I think youtube is right though. You said it yourself you have to win early, when you open with a boom, it just buys the opponents time. Also imo I think you’re better off with food instead of gold. You basically converted 10k gold into 5k by selling. Selling food is way better with the new patch so doing that way its more flexible because you would get more gold than the other way.
Quick question, after seeing this I was wondering what would happen if two pros each manage a team of say 3 or 4 amateurs on roughly similar ELOs, was something like this done before? Thanks for the great content Hera, been enjoying both your informational stuff as well as your tournaments over the last years!
"Jump on his ass, jump on his ass! " 😂
Just a quick suggestion for Hera; Next time you do these games, just add a rule that bans trading with your team. Because a map like Gold Rush falls a bit flat when you can just ignore mid and get your gold from safe trading at the edge of the map instead.
I think 20 pop boost would be pretty fair because your economy would be comparable to the opponents but you would have sufficient army to contest each player. +50 is pretty op if your boomed up
I think it'd be cool to see a game with Hera V 4 players but Hera starts with two bases and two sets of stsrting resources and villagers at different parts of the map and double the pop limit. Essentially Hera is controlling two different players at the same time.
you should try a 1v7 but they have to stay one age below you at all times. except dark age obviously. it would be really fun watching a bunch of castle age knights running the gauntlet with Khmer scorpions. or maybe feudal units vs Burgundian cavalier. that might be too op though so maybe restrict the Burgundians.
Great game. With 200 pop, population efficiency matters so much, SO seems like a good thing to try again in future games. I think if you hadn't been spotted during your first krepost attempt you could have snowballed even harder. Tips from a noob.
I think with these 1v5s no matter gold amount, you need pop boost! You eventually get overwhelmed.
Love this series
I think it would be cool if someone like T90 commentates these types of games because its so chaotic :)
Please make video with epic map size against multiple players and max pop limit. That would be crazy af and has never been done before.
Boost your pop and pick your own civ next one. They you can have a pre meditated strat. Plus like 400-500 pop. Need 250 vills turbo-ing your economy
yeah, this seems to be the case with us Bulgarians, insane kills and no battle lost, but then you somehow lose the war
RUclips commentator here. The biggest advantage about early rushing low elos is how their economy collapses under pressure. I know because...
would be interesting to see 1v5 with a single cobra car staring with castle or imperial age. Multiple cars would probably be too op
i think it would be fun a 2v4 (or something like that) and everyone else is a noob, like, 500 elo or less. the catch is, you CANT attack, you can only defend your base and your ally base. id recommend you to be on voice chat so you can coach your ally while you try to keep both of you alive long enough for them to kill the rest 11
ahh, so only the ally could attack. that sounds hilarious 11. i think it would probably be a 3h game though. or Hera booms and slings the dude and he just spams. but i'd watch it for sure 11 !
maybe you should wall the map when you get to castle right after making 3 or 4 TC, this way the feudal age players couldn't escape
3.0 KDR would net you a win in a 1v3, maaaybe in a 1v4, but just not enough in the 1v5
Vil number 7 to get boar or to build lumber camp, which is better?
Games like this are more fun to watch than pro vs. pro 😅
Very entertaining match to watch. Had you not dove early you may have been able to get one to resign.
There needs to be a clause that says when you defeat a player you get 10k of whatever resource. (I already see the flaw because they just hide villagers) 1v5 is already impossible but at least that way you could take 1 or 2 out 200v1000 is just not doable
U really needed to switch to konniks at 26:46
Maybe the meta for 10000 gold games is fast castle into treason Poggers
New idea for challenge: Start with 10 villagers instead of 10k extra gold.
I think konnik would have been a decent boost against the camels.
i think, its possible with 20k gold, and min. of 200 pop more, so you get 400 and all of get 200 cuz 5 dudes with 200 each is 1000 that is the biggest thing here
that is a win for me, but you did not show us the trophy ! you love twitch more than us :P
pls cobra cars / photon men at the end of one of these after gg before resigning
Oh NOW he says "Bulgarians, why not?" after he reached 3k with them 😂
they should not be able to trade... way to easy for them
agreed, or extra pop. 10k gold is not enough to carry lategame. it would honestly be much more fun to see if they can break him without gold.
You definitely won that game
what if Hera got additional resources like food or wood and also gold, wonder how that would turned out
You could robin hood 5 times and it's still 1000 pop vs 200, near impossible to deal with it unfortunately.
You need to get 300-400 pop limit vs 5
we need 1 cba video i want see ya in cba :D
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How did Yeti monk the red guy build another Town Center in Feudal Age after his one got destroyed? He even managed to advance to Castle age !
Booming definitely doesn't work. Maybe feudal aggression? It will be hard either way I think 😅
Hera won this no question
Hera thinks he is the king of the world, but got punished by the power of People!!!
What is the mod to not change the map into jungle?
Great game!
Hera's almost as bad with the coin as my wife 😂
I feel like losing the vills krepost rushing with no army support is not exactly the 400 elo youtube commenters' fault 11
vs 5 you need 10k gold and extra pop!!!
You have to have at least 300 pop. You cant go 500 units vs 100 units
I don't understand why cavalier instead of koniks? (Genuine question)
Hera became a pro player to make friends, but it didn't work out, sadge
Bold of you to assume our average elo is 400
Maybe 20,000 gold? It doesnt escálate because market prices increase as well
Next challenge, 1v9 but you can use AEGIS.
He would probably win with a 1v15 on aegis if the map allowed. That's instant hunt and berries to get to an instant feudal, then instant gold for maybe a 1:30 castle time, and boom you have instant gold, wood, and stone to pop instant forward castles with 1 vil, into instant 20 mangudai in each base while they're all still dark age. Nobody would be able to get up to feudal, let alone get gold for castle. Fully upgraded mangudai by minute 10 most likely, and enough of them to be in everyone's base
Imperial age is overrated 😂
Do a no res bonus but 1000 pop
clear win
you might have a better chance on a smaller map
No brainer. Question with 10k gold is how fast can he get to like 3bbc and 10hc. With the rest gold just boom
ngl if hera chose turks, it could have been much better
What a game 🔥🔥🔥 Hooked throughout the 50m 🙌
I don’t think you need to boom to fast castle with 10k gold?
Bro you gotta stop feeling bad about eliminating people or focusing someone. You gotta do what you gotta do its 5v1 everyone will understand
8min in and already the mistake to not go feudal pressure is evident... let's see how it goes jajajajaja
Yeah end of video, you really needed to do some crazy feudal presion to your neighbors 1111 man what a crazy game, amazing
1v5 might be too much to attempt?
Classic pro mistake, @ 37 minutes... could have easily walled off that side of your base ages ago with stone
Better kill red and orange completely ;)
Gg
where are pikes?
Gujaras and Turks don’t get pikes in the south.
please just get extra pop
I won’t flame wololoo in the comments…. He’s a good dude. Gifted me a sub 😂
you lost the game,,,, respect tho !!!
Who were the youtube commentators recommending that he early rush and not pure boom lol. I didn't think that was a good idea. Nice recovery though. Those scorpion numbers were absurd though. How could they afford that many scorpions? I'm wondering if most of the players built trash units and donated their gold to one or two players to build gold units. If that is the case, 10,000 gold probably isn't enough. Especially with how bad the market prices were. Edit - seeing the statistics, yeah Dimi collected 20k gold. They definitely were tributing gold to a dedicated player. And since he was on scorpions I'm guessing he tribute most of his food to yeti or emp. peter?
If this wasn't gold rush map, you would be trading parity with Dimi in terms of gold.
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