The Campaign Mission I Could NEVER Beat | AoE2
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Every Aoe2 player has nightmares about the Wonder in this scenario.
Also the Scouts report wasn't in the original scenario, those were added in the Conquerors.
they changed the build time of it i think - so the anxiety in the past was way to real
That wonder always messed me up, I could never beat this mission until I read a guide telling me to transport to the island and build up my base there, castle to defend while pushing the wonder
I had the official strategy guide and the strategy on that map was to secure the base, like Hera did here in the beginning, but first thing land yellow on the north of his island and get working on him first. I actually beat that mission flawlessly back in the days thanks to that guide.
Hera: "I don't think I lost a unit"
The Villager that died 30 seconds earlier from a scorpion shot: ORLY!?
Also thinking about the poor cav archer at 7:33, gone and forgotten :(
Useless fact : orly is one of the biggest French airports .
End of useless fact .
remember you only 75 max pop 10-20 years ago on this mission, so it WAS harder to both boom, defend your base and attack yellow early
AI was worse though
@benlewis4241 True. AI was raised by several levels on alot of campaigns.
@@davidcook3795 Watching the ai tryhard the scout vs the onager was funny
also the wonder went up much earlier
Also, lower pop cap also meant the AI took less time to boom, so they got to the Wonder sooner.
Scouts report was added in The Conquerors, so the OG campaigns didn't have it until HD or DE where they added it to every campaign.
I barely remember AoE2:AoK, and I'm 5 years older than Hera (and played it as a 7-8 years old). I'm also 99% sure they added in the advices and scout reports retroactively, as I remember it from the Russia mission, as well as from the Barbarossa campaign.
@@pez4 DE version even increased the population limit, making the original ones easier, would be epic if hera plays the original AoK/AOc (not HD) to see the difference
@@Paal2005 Advices where in the OGs but Scouts Reports not, in the AOK you only had two tabs on that menu
I still have the original AOE2 and AOK. Original did not have scouts. I did not even have farm queuing. Also the original campaigns seems harder than what is in DE now a days. I think they made the AI easier.
@@Shredder_cs It's only harder because the AI cheats on the hardest difficulty. The AI itself is way more primitive than the newer versions (barely any changes between AoK and AoC).
There's something so satisfying about watching you go beast mode on these campaigns. It's like watching your older brother beat up your childhood bully.
OMG yes more camapaigns! They are not only great memories but also very entertaining to see how the best player does them. You make it look so extra easy.
There's an achievement to unlock where you kill them **before** they even place the foundations for all the wonders.
Not them, Only Jin as only AI that will build wonder. As long as you go and kill Jin first before AI start build wonder then get achievement.
@@MrAnonymous00100I bet he meant only *them* hehe
Only way I've ever seen that done is if you TC drop them. That's how I got it 11
so the achievement is before jin place the wonder, i thought it was before they finish the wonder
@@darkyboss12 Not quite as on my play, I was inside Jin and destroying base when suddenly group of house deleted and wonder foundation put on. I rush hit foundation before any villagers hit the first hammer on to destroy it immediately. At end game I still get achievement.
Yeah, this one was one of the hardest from the original game besides the last one from Saladin
in original conqueror edition last saladin mission i managed to beat first try, but this... i remember this one made me REALLY angry after failing to get that wonder in time
this one was fine for me, but the one where u have to build 3 castles in the middle was an onslaught to say the least
@@tofuchicken2Yeah those paladin Plus onagers were eating me
I beat it recently. Ignore the brits and Jerusalem and rush against everyone else. U have enough troops with a few trebuchets as long as u use both castles and make mangudai. In childhood I was stuck at level of that campaign. Like seriously those pirates were evil I couldn't never build up.
When I was a teenager, I beat the last mission of Saladin campaign by defeating Franks & Britons first to ease the workload, they were the hardest enemy in the mission (Franks : Paladins & Bombard Cannons, Britons : long range Elite Longbowmen, Cavaliers, and Trebuchets)
Gengis campaign was a violation, as a kid I was lowkey convinced that I was stupid cause I never managed to finish it... now as an adult I realize that yes, I am stupid, but it still wasn't my fault
9:56 I built my TC across the river due to the gold being over there!
So I did this as well.
An army of rams? How quaint.
Well done! This is a tough level. I highly recommend playing level 6 of the Jadwiga campaign: 'The Fruits of Her Labor'. It is one of my favorites of all the campaigns.
He should play the whole Jadwiga campaign honestly. Is so, so good
@@Mattroid99 It's mainly good because of the story. If you ignore Story like hera is doing then it's not as great as the scenarios are not particularly challenging.
@@muatring I disagree, I think thr gameplay is fantastic in all levels, and they do provide plenty of good gameplay scenarios.
Especially Duel of the Dukes, The Siege of Vilnius and the Fruits of her Labor are among the best campaign levels we have as far as I'm concerned
@@Mattroid99 Sure the gameplay is interesting but not challenging or hard, which is what Hera is looking for when playing campaigns.
Take story out of these scenarios and they're interesting, not hard.
@@muatring Do they really need to be hard though? I find the Siege of Vilnius and Duel of the Dukes to be pretty challenging too at hardest difficulty personally
That was such an old me moment. In the past I always made one of each building and that's it.
Hera, this is a brilliant choice! A massive chunk of AoE2 players just play the campaigns and never joined a ranked match even once in their life. So by uploading these campaigns you will draw all of those players in which will grow your community by a lot. Personally, I do both. I've played many ranked games, but I've also played loads of campaigns. However, these past couple of months I haven't really played any ranked games and therefore I also lost interest in watching people like you play ranked games. I do watch people playing campaigns and you doing your 1v3 challenges and stuff like that, though. So I'll sure be one of many who would watch these videos. So yeah, big thumbs up from me 😄❤
The old strats for this map usually was to take out the bottom right enemy that was on the island, then build castles behind the wall on the mainland opposite the island and take out the rest of the enemies with siege and mangudai. You could win the map by completely bypassing the Great Wall. It was fun though when you were nearly finished to build 15-20 seige rams and start them one one side of the great wall and clear the whole wall. I did see some spawns where the wonder would start on the mainland rather than the island, that was even harder. It was a very difficult mission though, probably a top 3 hardest on the original AOC.
it was hard to beat but very easy if you cheese it by moving on island
Haha, this, Saladin 6, Joan of Arc 6 + Barbarossa Lombard League were the 4 original missions I really struggled with when I started out and when I revisited again in 2019
Nostalgic campain, i do remember myself being just a kid playing this campain in a rainning winter like in 2004 . playing this campain and no classes tomorrow.
I do remember myself building the first TC crossing the river with the ship 11
I beat this when I was 11 without tutorial or those bombard cannons, the way I did it was by making a sneaky zigsaw puzzle near my castle outside of jin's base then baiting him out to die to my castle fire or get converted and then slowly grinding my way to killing all units or converting them. If you make full walls they attack them but if you make a zigsaw puzzle they keep trying to reach you.
I loved this campaign, in the first one I converted ghenghis khan to my team and used him to win fast, in second campaign I converted kushluk instead of killing him to win.
Gaming that dumb AI! Nice
How did you convert Genghis Khan in the first mission? It's a hero unit and it disappears before you have a chance to get a monk.
@@tomscorpion6288 You change your diplomacy and attack him, he attacks back and you keep him busy long enough for the disappearance trigger to fail then he stays there like sitting duck till you come back to convert him
Honestly it was my first ever AOE campaign and I thought if I converted him I get to keep him for next level
@@LalitChawla-b8y It's not possible, though.
Hera, We love you doing campaigns, keep it up !!!
This is an absolute blast from the past.
Man I love these coming of age (AOE) stories about you. Reminds me robots can be human (/s). Respect
Hera: “The immersion is real.”
Also Hera: “I want to clean the entire map and destroy everything.”
Clearly… 👀
Love the campaign content! Would love to see you hunting for some of the rare achievements or doing the campaigns in speed runs / adding in an extra difficulty challenge like Hussar only - the Hera way.
We all suffered from WonderEffect on this level XD
Me and my brother could also never beat this campaign, like 10 years ago, we used to make like 5 vills coz we thought making more is a waste of resources which we could use for military instead😂😂 and we barely even reached to castle by the time jin starts building the wonder, it looks ridiculous to see now😂 we would always lose to the wonder, that too on easy difficulty
Hera wiping the floor with the Great Wall was hilarious!! Thanks for the content - super nostalgic.
amazing to see u playing campaign, as a kid the mongol one was my absolute favorite but to beat this mission i had to abuse cheats to the maximum. For the next i recommend the second inca mission or 4th byzantine (bari), these are challenging ones
I enjoy seeing the campaign stuff. Thanks for doing it Hera!
I'm slightly disappointed you didn't finish off that green wall. Great vid, very entertaining! The campaign videos bring back memories.
Hera, I like that at one point you were looking at that wall like, "wow, this guy has built quite the wall".
You could almost call it a Great Wall.
Thank you for your content, Hera. You're the Levy Rozman / Gothamchess of AoE2.
While also simultaneously being the Magnus Carlsen of AoE2
LOVE CAMPAIGN VIDEOS. PLEASE DO MORE
Hey - great to see you return to campaigns again. Just letting you know, the no villager lost achievement, despite only very few people having it on steam, is not actually that tough to get (most of the new achievements are at 0,1% - 0,3 % simply because very few people have played the new campaigns AND are hunting for achievements). I'm not sure why this one is the lowest at only 0,0% (I got it on my second try, and I'm not a very skilled player), as it is very much so not the most difficult of that bunch to obtain. The hardest of the new ones would propably be "Harder Than a Speeding Cannonball", which requires quite a specific approach to its mission, though its not that tough to execute once you have a good plan for it.
The "classic" for difficult achievements (and propably still the hardest) would be "Rome Was Destroyed in One Day", for the mission "The Giant Falls" in the Alaric campaign - the level itself is not difficult to complete at all, but the timer to get the achievement, especially on hard, is tough and can challenge even an experienced player. I'd be interested to see if you could do it first try.
Other than that, I heavily recommend playing the Jadwiga campaign. If you only want to do a specific mission, the best is propably "The Siege of Vilnius". Challenging, unique, fun, and part of the campaign with the best storyline in all of AoE2.
I really wish you would do all campaigns and make video out of them! At least u also get guaranteed topic for ur videos aswell. Also ur videos are really helpful!! Thanks for sharing ur knowledge Sir!
When I was a kid (probably around 8-9 years old) I thought that this mission was made wrong and it was impossible to win (also had no idea about bombard cannons).
When I came back to AOE2 at around 16-17 years I think I did beat it and had huge issues with yellow (found out about bombard cannons for the first time).
Then I came back once more at the age of 22, it was still difficult, but not that much anymore.
Now I am 30 and I haven't been playing AOE2 since DE came out, I don't know if I would struggle or not, probably would be pretty average (I wouldn't try to get through the wall and then attack yellow, I would rather invade him first with army and castles on his side, probably destroying him before the wonder would even be built).
Loving this series and what you have currently planned - definitely want to see you do Saladin 6 by crushing all opponents. Some ideas of what else I'd like to see you play would be Suryavarman I 4, Tariq 2 & 5, Jadwiga 4, Rajendra 2, 3 and 5, Prithviraj 5... So many cool ones to do, and imo some of the hardest ones in the game.
I also had trouble on this mission when I was younger too, and I had no idea about those bombard cannons until this video lol. I got PTSD when that wonder popped up on the mini map also.
I recommend going for the 100% achievements on Steam. So much fun and unique ways to play. I’m currently at 92%. Especially the Atilla achievements are super hard!
really funny that I thought the same way as young Hera / used the same strategies back in the days.
pretty sure I used to TC in the blue's base, but then found it to cramped to look nice, so i moved to TCing near the berries to build a nicer-looking base.
Thank you hera you make this video 😢❤
Hey Hera, thanks for continue the campaign series I'm loving this videos, I wonder if you could possibly try to beat the mission number 6 of the Mongols but with one extra condition, don't let the enemy take down the bridge.
I think original campings were harder in the original aoe, I remember in the AOK version was a harder difficulty, sadly DE version AI does weird things
Good point. I think the campaing itself wasn't harder but the fact that in DE is more stable makes aok and aoc more difficult
The first time I tried this level, I snuck my units through the middle to rescue the bombard cannons and built my base in the far west, northwest of red's base, because it looked like the most conveniently defensible position that had enough resources to work with. Defense wasn't too hard, but by the time yellow had his wonder counting down my navy wasn't large enough to take out his coastal defenses and break in to destroy the wonder.
On my second attempt, I rescued the bombard cannons and then walked them back through the middle of the map, onto the transport, and onto the far northern end of yellow's island, then very carefully ground through yellow's base from north to south and built my base on the ruins of his base. The remaining three AIs don't really use ships at all, so I built up a massive navy at my leisure, flattened everything within range of the water, then built a proxy base on top of red's base and cleaned out everything else with mangudai and trebuchets.
I just beat that mission yesterday lmao nice timing
Yeah, I put my TC on the left side since that's where every resource patch is, and just razed everything to the ground with a bunch of Mangudais, 6 Siege Onagers and those Bombard Cannons you get by exploring.
I totally started by making my base in the North area at first and always got raided to death until I started turtling in Blue's old base until my eco was developed. Man, that was 25 years ago!!
The original Age of Kings campaigns having a 75 food cap on all missions was so brutal back then.
Genghis Khan's "Into China" level being one of the hardest playing at just 75 food. It's one of the few missions that had the biggest food increases by being doubled up to 150 in DE.
You cannibal! Vils aren't food :)
I love when you do campaigns!!!
Yeah I remember struggling with this campaign in conquerors expansion, it was 75 pop. I kept reading guides etc, and eventually beating it by saving game a few times. Also started out where the berries are
When I was a kid I would listen to the movie that plays before each of the scenarios even if I watched it many times. Also you have to find the siege engineers for this one. they are super helpful
I was like 6 when I first played these campaigns in 2002. Always built just one TC and one of each military building like you lmao, made everything so much harder and slow. I always spammed the hell out of towers and castles though.
9:05 YESS I went back every single time like its what we were supposed to do
More videos like this please! Also, please get all the rarest Steam achievements! Seeing a PRO doing this is fascinating!!
I loved this campaign so much as a kid too. Got me into making custom scenarios all day every day
12:30 That was literally me when i realized i could use more than one military building
I've actually been stuck on this one for a little bit. It makes me feel a little better that Hera had trouble as a kid.
This was sick to watch. And really strong timing, I've been stuck on this for a while, suddenly have new ideas for how to beat.
I remember the hardest campaigns were where you only have a fixed amount of army, like in Joan of Arc where you have to cross the whole town with what you get at the beginning, you had to micro it really good
"fricking baen!" "very lithium " "empty the church" "teemu" "too shave sons" 🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴🦄🦄🦄🦄
If I remember correctly there used to be a safe place to disembark your troops and even build some military structures in the northern coast of the yellow starting position. That always made it easy for me to destroy that early wonder
What I did was build a castle and a few stables on the island, using mangudai protect the builders, then finish up your army and kill jin. Best part of this scenario is the wall didn't even look like this until the Ming dynasty; it had more holes and was more rammed earth.
I don't usually watch your content but its rather relaxing to watch you do the campaign on the second monitor ngl. Thanks for the chill vid.
Great video! Thanks so much!
When I played this campaign I always felt that the wonder was built so fast! In this video it seems they take forever, that’s the difference between a pro and a LEL 1111
these are by far my fav AoE2 videos now
Woo hoo!! so excited to see more campaigns! I would love to see a full series in order (maybe 2 missions per video or something) or if you wanted to play some of the historical battles next that would be fun. Also be sure to check out the CO-OP campaign feature, those could be a lot of fun running it with someone
Hera saying, "Don't lose the mangonel! Oh I'm insane, I'm insane. I think I might go pro." 😵
Amazing work man!!
I always used the wall in my favor, only replacing the gates by my own 😁
(but never beat on hard anyway haha)
RARE W CONTENT AGAIN
Rare???😂
Rajendra #4 sacred waters has a really tough achievement where you have to win before the wonder is built
Also Thoros #5 steam achievement you have to win without losing a starting villager... only 0.2% completion
In case you are going to do more campaign missions, it might fun idea to check out if there are any steam achievements related to the mission (like this one where you need to beat Jin before they construct their wonder).
Because, for real, can you really pat yourself on the back and say "good job", when you haven't beaten the mission "the cool way", like "all the cool guys" :)
Siege rams taking out triple layered stone walls is as declicious as SO shots, but more crunchy
Yeah youre right. On the AOE2 HD edition, the yellow make the wonder in the first 15 minutes of the game. Thats whats make it super harder to beat. Another thing is that the army ou have on the start is not that much. Its like 3 calvary archers, the mangonel and a trebuchet
are you sure about that ?
i remember otherwise
and 2015 wiki agree with me on 40 min timer
mission was overall harder (+ 75 pop cap) but trivial if you cheesed it by moving east
32:40 what we used to do is fill a bunch of ships with troops and make an amphibious landing on those towers. It would be costly but as long as we secured a beach head. We could funnel reinforcements across
I can't believe the Jin guy didn't say, "What do people living in tents know of the world culture?" as the wonder starts. Maybe he says that after the wonder is completed?
I too found this to be a really hard campaign to play, but these days (even for me at 1000 elo) this is an amazing campaign to play. I still never advance over castle age, just to make sure I can play the game as close to the original campaign as possible. :-)
This mission was a pure struggle session for me. And being mocked for sleeping in tents was real salt in the wound.
That's so much fun to see a pro player playing the campaign.
Especially how you JUST doing things and I am like... oooooooh
Casually building that starting TC on the woodline without destroying the enemy one first? I am sure 99% of players haven't played it that way 11
There is one spot to run through with transports away from all the chaos of the towers
i used to run a single light cav to get those cannons and then they would clear all the towers off of the great wall and hsi hsia would not retaliate
they changed it DE and now they come and snipe the cannons
This mission was what I played 11 september 2001, Europe so early afternoon, so that memory stook around. I remember cheesing the wonder with a wave of petards send in from a transport ship from the river. No idea how that should be done before Conquerers. AoK did not have petards.
Never found the bombard cannons. All I did was turtle and then spam unique units, which works quite well with the mongols :p
When I was a kid I used to drop my TC right next to those 2 boars you lured early on, because I knew hunt was good for Mongols but it never occurred to me to "lure" the boars, so I just milled or TC dropped any hunt I found.
The DE edition did up the pop cap for most of the older campaigns. One way to beat yellow is to set up your base near them across the water and raid their gold. They don't start building the wonder until they have enough gold to do so so you can indefinitely delay them that way.
SOOOO cool to hear that from you. Imagine the journey you took from there.
I love it. and I´m only 1minute into the video.
I played this on normal difficulty as a kid and beat it, though just barely, in part because that wonder was such a pain. I've been working on all the campaigns on hard since I started my journey learning all these skills from this and other channels on RUclips. I beat the Mongol Campaign on hard this year (still lost to the wonder first haha). Just so you know, if you had crossed the water right where your dock is (going straight to the corner on the right), you would have encountered no or very few towers. That's how I eventually ended up successfully landing with villagers who made a castle or two and military production buildings to push into yellow's base. The rest of the mission isn't as hard and mostly just takes time, but in the later phase of the mission I too always forget about the cannons.
When it comes to building the first town center on this map, I always put all the units back on the transport to make a town center by the gold, stone, wood, and boars. In campaigns I always see such areas and think "Ah, I'm supposed to build the town center here". I did this as a kid and as an adult, but clearly staying on the island at first works just fine too and saves time. When you did that I immediately noticed that island is very defensible too and has easy access to fishing, so where you build first has its tradeoffs.
Yay, another one! Danke!
The funny thing is that is the last of the real Ghengis Khan's missions, the rest is a combo of his descendants and the tatar golden hordes.
9:45 I definitely made my base on the island when I 1st played, but I always eyed expanding into the mainland.
12:20 I always stopped at 50 vils for some reason back in the days too lol. I hella valued the blacksmith upgrades, the wheelbarrow and handcart though. I always liked having my individual units pack a lot more punch rather than just massing and zerg with weak mobs.
And now you clean house with your new found tournament pro skills lol, made that look way too easy.
I never settled on the left side of the river. OP strategy is to build a dock imediatly, transport to yellows "island" and settle behind yellow to beat them first and getting sea dominance.
"Rome was destroyed in one day" is a classic hard achievement. I'd love to see that
I feel like Into China was the make-or-break mission of AoE2 for all of us.
I remember placing the initial TC in the same spot, but then expanding to the North with another one.
The real challenge here was to kill yellow before they start building a wonder, though :)
Definitely a nice series !!! We want to see more campaigns !!! LOL this one was nearly impossible for me at the MEDIUM level...........watching Hera going through while chatting and telling stories.........so satisfactory 😅😅😅
the main reason the Constantinople achievement has very little completions is mainly due to that scenario being locked behind the most recent DLC which is also the most controversial DLC that as a result not many players bought. To give perspective, even Daut has stated it is the first AoE2 DLC that he did not buy.
12:40 single TC, one of each building, build and army and go out. Get defeated and start building a new army.
I used to get beat a lot by easy AI using hordes of light cavalry, and I never understood why they had so many farms.
Campaigns are fun in their own way and I still revisit some of the tough cookies sometimes. Glad to see more on campaigns.
Some of the OG campaigns that give me trouble back in the day:
King of Valencia (El Cid 5), The Siege of Paris (Joan of Arc 5), Le Loi, Bayinnaung, Vlad Dracula 3 (The Breath of the Dragon).
Since DE:
Kotyan Khan, Ivaylo, Bari 4 (The Best Laid Plan), Alaric 5 (A Kingdom of Our Own), Pachacuti 2 (The Field of Blood, which Viper lost once in his video), Rajendra, Dos Pilas, Bukhara, The Lake of Poyang.
loving the campaign videos
I used to be afraid of even the first blue town where they give you the ram and the villagers, so I would build a dock on the other side and cross the river to the yellow la ds and build my base there.
Beat this as a kid, hard though. This game helped me learn redoing things better. knowing the wonder is coming. I created a defensive position and trained up an army and landed it far north and slowly marched down. once that wonder is done you can work on the other factions slowly.
9:42 Memory blur but i still remember that i built it right in the blue settlement. More or less just want to get TC set up and have forward base immidiately.
For some reason other thing i remember is passing through lots of farm and Green settlement to destroy China haha
Edit : Don't worry. I think i don't get that bombard as well, either i didn't get them or i did but forgot to use them 😅
Hera love you and your amazing gameplay
still love your voice
Goku was on 100x earth's gravity on the way to Namek. Also, I remember making only Mangudai and siege for this campaign.
Hera, with the AOM remaster coming out, would you be willing to try out the AOM campaign? It’s a classic!
9:40, i made it in the exact same bloody spot. I think it was the fish and berries. I redid it after I played years of competetive and I made the tc in the same spot you did this video.