Quit playing golf about 10 years ago after having both hips and knees replaced..... could not take the pain and stiffness after a round of golf. Found your channel a couple of months ago and thought I would give it a try.... world of difference. Thank you.
Thanks Todd, I'm in Australia and there is no way someone will teach me the single plane swing in WA. I've nearly given up on golf due to the inconsistency of my swing. I've had heaps of one on one lessons but the improvement is short lived. Watch your tuition has been a God send. I'm not perfect by a long shot but I can see the improvement. I'm straighter, my miss hits are straighter. I feel hitting single figures is finally achievable, so thanks to Moe for working it out and thanks to you and your brother for the RUclips channel, keep it coming. I really like watch you teach individuals as I often see my ball flight. I over cook the backswing always have and pay the price of losing the coordination between the parts. Discipline, I'll get there. 64 yo and the single plane has added 30m to my swing. I've gone from 207 yards to 240 yards and I'm in with a chance. Cheers Gerry
Perfect. Agree 100%. It reminds me of the guy who was watching a wagon with square wheels (the confirmation bias, we've always used square wheels so that's the way it is) who shows all that will listen that the wagon will roll so much better if the wheels were round. Moe's swing is the round wheel solution to the square wheel problem. And it seems so obvious. Good stuff Todd.
I began playing golf at 11. I quit it at 22 and I was playing handicap 4. It never was a happy experience to me. It was pure stress. The uncertainty, the doubts, the feeling of not knowing what was about to happen and my starting back problems was too much for me. 2 spine hernias. I'm turning 50 nex year and I'm still fighting my back pain from time to time. A year ago, I heard a friend of mine talking about someone called De Chambeau and that crap of single plane swing. Being honest, I was really skeptical. I thought to myself "another bulshit that only works for them". So, I found your channel and I discovered "the canadian guy". Todd, I was shocked. I am still shocked every day hitting golf balls again with purity and ease. It was like Morpheus' red pill to me. I simply cannot believe how I did not see it before. Golf is a misfortune if you play classic swing. It's almost impossible to find the ball in the downswing. At least for a simple mortal like me. Thanks Todd. Thank you very much.
Moe Norman was the Bill James of the golf swing, and Todd Graves is Billy Beane. Someday an up-and-coming tour player will come along and fully apply the Norman/Graves SPS system and will transform the sport by winning Majors. As for us amateurs, this makes the game so much easier and more enjoyable.
Excellent instruction Todd. I committed a year ago and have been good and bad; this past week it has been coming together. The leading arm frisbee - I believe - was the last puzzle piece. I just went out back and tried it. Feels like I can't hit a bad shot now. (famous last words)
Thanks again for reinforcing the basic mechanics for the single plane swing! I "committed" to this swing 2 years ago and finished last summer scoring in the mid to upper 80's. Considering that I used to shoot 110 average I think is incredible!!!! So thankful for you and your team. Keep up the great work!!!!!! Ron
Hey Todd, Absolutely incredible how you explained what you just did. I loved it. I was a traditional swing player who got to a 7 hcp at a championship course hidden lakes. I caught on to Moe through Mike maves and then you. Tried it at range with success but never played a round with it. I lost my game after not playing with kids and marriage but now play with my kids. I want to go to a sps and be a before and after example. I believe it’s the best way to swing even after a pro told me I see what you are trying to do.
Thank you so much for this vid and the others. I've been playing golf for years with conventional swings and decided to try Moe's swing techniques for a change. It is not an instance success as I have no formal coaching and I often reverted to what I have been doing for so long. However, I have few success over 18 holes lately by driving and hitting it crisp (far and straighter). I cannot remember the last I drive the balls that way and I must say there is absolute no stress on my old bones and I have never felt so good. I wish I had picked it up long time ago.. better late than never. I will definitely make effort to learn and practice more. Your vids and details on Moe swings and techniques are the way to go... many thanks..
Can't believe how many YT instructors say don't setup with a Reverse K. They are dead wrong! If anyone follows Todd's setup advice, even if they don't use Moe's swing, they will play much better!
I look at the golf swing like its a flail and this looks like great flail control. I have used your single axis method ever since you and Moe worked for Natural golf. I have all the books and tapes. I used to get a lot of strange looks when I first started to play this way but today, after Dechambou, the swing is much more acceptable. I have won a few league championships with it when I was younger and this year at 71 I shot one under par twice this year on a little 9 hole course I play now. If folks are wondering if this style of play works, I think it deffinately worked for me.
Good explanation, at least for all those, who know how to skip objects in general....or throw. I am wondering why golf professionals only rarly use dynamic movements for teaching. It would be so much easier to let the students feel which movements feel good/work well and than once built a reference to those, start reduce dynamics to enforce stability and accuracy.
Trying to create lag can cause one to hold that trail hand stiff all the way past impact which can leave club face open to path...need to let the trail hand release to square up...not rolling hands but letting trail hand straiten
I appreciate that point on side bend. I was recently hitting it good and solid, but 10 to 15 yards tugged left. I added the correct amount of side bend and it straightened up! Elements of that traditional set up keep creeping back, but one day they will be gone for good!
Your analysis of a cricket fast bowler would be interesting. Similar speed to a fast pitcher in baseball, but there are differences you may care to examine. Love your work BTW.
Great content Todd, once or twice a round I seem to go off the reservation and ask myself why did I do that, age probably has something to do with the concentration. Your constant reminders are what keep me going and playing so well at 80. PS I am scoring better than guys half my age (sometimes). Cheers.
This is good stuff. I’ve been trying to train myself how to use my left and right clubs using one arm only in both directions, I’m doing all this out in the snow creating a straight path left and right , while I was admiring my good straight path I was thinking of Moe with a coin. I intend to play golf with lost distance just with one arm only and not two. I hate this game but I’ll die trying lol.
Great video Todd I was watching and it was like a bulb went off in my head,when I hit my driver I don’t try to artificially make my take away long and I hit it great,as I was watching you skipping the stone I got it that when I was using my irons I was trying to make the take away longer and was actually causing me to sway off the ball,leading to no distance early release,I went to the range with my ball position aide and started skipping stones…wow…thanks for the analogy ,I finally got the iron break thru I have been trying to achieve…🏌🏻♂️
Awesome Todd!! I started watching you about 3 years ago. Started out in my back yard with a broomstick to get the feeling of greatness!! From there I started adjusting my ball position in relation to what club I was using. I'm thinking about going with one length irons.. any pointers? I feel if I do so I'll need a proper club fitting from a fitter who KNOWS how to work with one length..
But it seems with the rock skipping motion, you get flexion and extension, not radial and ulnar deviation? I know we must have ulnar deviation at impact, I guess I just don't know how the wrists work before impact.
Hey Todd, Been practicing every day in the house. Full swing 4 iron and less. Can't hit balls outside yet. My swing feels great and effortless. On impact and fallow thru I feel it mostly in my left glute. (right-handed player) Is that where I should feel it?
Motion of hte body is produced when, at certain times, body parts are passive and then active. The trail hand is passive in the downswing but active through release. That is why I always say the swing is not right handed or left handed, it is both handed, it depends when.
@@ToddGravesGolf so do you actually apply force in the right hand wrist movement? I mean by that forcibly throwing with the wrist. I heard Moe say passive hands was his feel. I guess I interpreted passive hands as passive wrist movement. I do get the idea of aligning the hinge of the trail wrist to be in plane with the swing. should I then be actively throwing with the hand or just letting the motion happen when the body brakes. I think more of the horizontal tug feel through the ball but my right arm feel is more like bringing the elbow down and in and happens first
Confirmation bias. I am at the far end of the local range because the opposite side of the range is tree lined. I know the distances to the base of trees and practice specific distance and height control. People have to walk past behind me to get to the range. Occasionally I look behind and see people pausing to watch me. Or they sit on the bench behind and watch me. I look down the line and see all kinds of bad swings. why would they not want to do what I do after using your books, lessons and training gear? You hit it - conformation bias. One guy picked up a half bucket that someone left next to me and said "I 'm taking these - you don't need them. " I smiled and said nothing. Occasionally someone will ask me what I am doing. Invariably these folks have never heard of Moe Norman. I tell them that Tiger Woods and Lee Trevino - both marvelous conventional swingers - sort of for Trevino - said Moe was the best they ever saw. As an aside - I think that many of the great players have injured backs and consequently other golfers succeed on the Senior PGA Tour because they are less injured. Fred Couples for example ,with that sweet and smooth reverse C in his earlier years, wears a back brace. This is certainly easier and gee my back never hurts. Funny world - a bad swing and confirmation bias. Nobody cares how I swing - but I sure do enjoy getting those strange looks. Success is funny like that. Look at me because I don't care. truth be told I sort of like it....welcome to the feeling of greatness... Todd. Sincerely thanks for what you have done for my game....
Inertia, momentum and time. Your body parts are heavy which means that their velocity need not be great to impart a lot of speed to the much lighter golf club. This transfer of momentum (mass times velocity) implies the potential for a very great increase in club (head) speed. Todd is right, the more the body "stops" the greater the potential transfer. All that remains is that the maximum velocity arrives at the appropriate time (just after impact to ensure maximum ball compression). Moe attributed his early "timing" for his transition into the feeling of greatness. Todd says that you have to slow down to speed up and that is all about swinging through the ball and not at it.
Quit playing golf about 10 years ago after having both hips and knees replaced..... could not take the pain and stiffness after a round of golf. Found your channel a couple of months ago and thought I would give it a try.... world of difference. Thank you.
Thanks Todd, I'm in Australia and there is no way someone will teach me the single plane swing in WA. I've nearly given up on golf due to the inconsistency of my swing. I've had heaps of one on one lessons but the improvement is short lived. Watch your tuition has been a God send. I'm not perfect by a long shot but I can see the improvement. I'm straighter, my miss hits are straighter. I feel hitting single figures is finally achievable, so thanks to Moe for working it out and thanks to you and your brother for the RUclips channel, keep it coming.
I really like watch you teach individuals as I often see my ball flight. I over cook the backswing always have and pay the price of losing the coordination between the parts. Discipline, I'll get there.
64 yo and the single plane has added 30m to my swing. I've gone from 207 yards to 240 yards and I'm in with a chance. Cheers Gerry
Perfect. Agree 100%. It reminds me of the guy who was watching a wagon with square wheels (the confirmation bias, we've always used square wheels so that's the way it is) who shows all that will listen that the wagon will roll so much better if the wheels were round. Moe's swing is the round wheel solution to the square wheel problem. And it seems so obvious. Good stuff Todd.
GOLD!!! Brings me back to the Natural Golf days with Kenny
I began playing golf at 11. I quit it at 22 and I was playing handicap 4. It never was a happy experience to me. It was pure stress. The uncertainty, the doubts, the feeling of not knowing what was about to happen and my starting back problems was too much for me. 2 spine hernias. I'm turning 50 nex year and I'm still fighting my back pain from time to time.
A year ago, I heard a friend of mine talking about someone called De Chambeau and that crap of single plane swing. Being honest, I was really skeptical. I thought to myself "another bulshit that only works for them".
So, I found your channel and I discovered "the canadian guy".
Todd, I was shocked. I am still shocked every day hitting golf balls again with purity and ease. It was like Morpheus' red pill to me. I simply cannot believe how I did not see it before.
Golf is a misfortune if you play classic swing. It's almost impossible to find the ball in the downswing. At least for a simple mortal like me.
Thanks Todd. Thank you very much.
Are you using oversized grips with your single-plane swing, Martin? Just curious
@@jbahry Hi Jeff. Nope. I'm using regular. Maybe I should because my hands are quite big, but I feel confortable with regular.
Moe Norman was the Bill James of the golf swing, and Todd Graves is Billy Beane.
Someday an up-and-coming tour player will come along and fully apply the Norman/Graves SPS system and will transform the sport by winning Majors. As for us amateurs, this makes the game so much easier and more enjoyable.
Moe lives on in your teaching. Thank you Todd🙏 for sharing. It's a blessing to have you
Excellent instruction Todd. I committed a year ago and have been good and bad; this past week it has been coming together. The leading arm frisbee - I believe - was the last puzzle piece. I just went out back and tried it. Feels like I can't hit a bad shot now. (famous last words)
Yes sir💪 love this one!
Thanks again for reinforcing the basic mechanics for the single plane swing! I "committed" to this swing 2 years ago and finished last summer scoring in the mid to upper 80's. Considering that I used to shoot 110 average I think is incredible!!!! So thankful for you and your team. Keep up the great work!!!!!!
Ron
Another great video reinforcing the mechanics of the SPS. Thanks Todd!
You're welcome.
Hey Todd, Absolutely incredible how you explained what you just did. I loved it. I was a traditional swing player who got to a 7 hcp at a championship course hidden lakes. I caught on to Moe through Mike maves and then you. Tried it at range with success but never played a round with it. I lost my game after not playing with kids and marriage but now play with my kids. I want to go to a sps and be a before and after example. I believe it’s the best way to swing even after a pro told me I see what you are trying to do.
Thank you so much for this vid and the others. I've been playing golf for years with conventional swings and decided to try Moe's swing techniques for a change. It is not an instance success as I have no formal coaching and I often reverted to what I have been doing for so long. However, I have few success over 18 holes lately by driving and hitting it crisp (far and straighter). I cannot remember the last I drive the balls that way and I must say there is absolute no stress on my old bones and I have never felt so good. I wish I had picked it up long time ago.. better late than never. I will definitely make effort to learn and practice more. Your vids and details on Moe swings and techniques are the way to go... many thanks..
Thanks Todd, you are the only golf instructor I study and watch!!!
Glad to help
Makes so much sense!
Can't believe how many YT instructors say don't setup with a Reverse K. They are dead wrong! If anyone follows Todd's setup advice, even if they don't use Moe's swing, they will play much better!
I look at the golf swing like its a flail and this looks like great flail control. I have used your single axis method ever since you and Moe worked for Natural golf. I have all the books and tapes. I used to get a lot of strange looks when I first started to play this way but today, after Dechambou, the swing is much more acceptable. I have won a few league championships with it when I was younger and this year at 71 I shot one under par twice this year on a little 9 hole course I play now. If folks are wondering if this style of play works, I think it deffinately worked for me.
Great content Todd. I’m having ulner bone issues. Looking forward to new year.
Perfection at its best! Awesome demonstration!!!
Good explanation, at least for all those, who know how to skip objects in general....or throw. I am wondering why golf professionals only rarly use dynamic movements for teaching. It would be so much easier to let the students feel which movements feel good/work well and than once built a reference to those, start reduce dynamics to enforce stability and accuracy.
Skipping rocks and throwing Frisbees I love it
Trying to create lag can cause one to hold that trail hand stiff all the way past impact which can leave club face open to path...need to let the trail hand release to square up...not rolling hands but letting trail hand straiten
I appreciate that point on side bend. I was recently hitting it good and solid, but 10 to 15 yards tugged left. I added the correct amount of side bend and it straightened up! Elements of that traditional set up keep creeping back, but one day they will be gone for good!
Nice work!
Your analysis of a cricket fast bowler would be interesting. Similar speed to a fast pitcher in baseball, but there are differences you may care to examine. Love your work BTW.
Great content Todd, once or twice a round I seem to go off the reservation and ask myself why did I do that, age probably has something to do with the concentration. Your constant reminders are what keep me going and playing so well at 80. PS I am scoring better than guys half my age (sometimes). Cheers.
Awesome basics and fundamentals. Thanks again, Todd.
Very welcome!
This is good stuff. I’ve been trying to train myself how to use my left and right clubs using one arm only in both directions, I’m doing all this out in the snow creating a straight path left and right , while I was admiring my good straight path I was thinking of Moe with a coin. I intend to play golf with lost distance just with one arm only and not two. I hate this game but I’ll die trying lol.
Great video Todd I was watching and it was like a bulb went off in my head,when I hit my driver I don’t try to artificially make my take away long and I hit it great,as I was watching you skipping the stone I got it that when I was using my irons I was trying to make the take away longer and was actually causing me to sway off the ball,leading to no distance early release,I went to the range with my ball position aide and started skipping stones…wow…thanks for the analogy ,I finally got the iron break thru I have been trying to achieve…🏌🏻♂️
Awesome Todd!!
I started watching you about 3 years ago.
Started out in my back yard with a broomstick to get the feeling of greatness!!
From there I started adjusting my ball position in relation to what club I was using.
I'm thinking about going with one length irons.. any pointers? I feel if I do so I'll need a proper club fitting from a fitter who KNOWS how to work with one length..
But it seems with the rock skipping motion, you get flexion and extension, not radial and ulnar deviation? I know we must have ulnar deviation at impact, I guess I just don't know how the wrists work before impact.
Hey Todd, Been practicing every day in the house. Full swing 4 iron and less. Can't hit balls outside yet. My swing feels great and effortless. On impact and fallow thru I feel it mostly in my left glute. (right-handed player) Is that where I should feel it?
Yes that is correct
So funny just saw a guy on Instagram saying the same thing…skip a stone…you know your a good instructor when people start copying what you teach….
the lever is the length of your club, not your hand unless you are applying force. I thought the release should be passive
Motion of hte body is produced when, at certain times, body parts are passive and then active. The trail hand is passive in the downswing but active through release. That is why I always say the swing is not right handed or left handed, it is both handed, it depends when.
@@ToddGravesGolf so do you actually apply force in the right hand wrist movement? I mean by that forcibly throwing with the wrist. I heard Moe say passive hands was his feel. I guess I interpreted passive hands as passive wrist movement. I do get the idea of aligning the hinge of the trail wrist to be in plane with the swing. should I then be actively throwing with the hand or just letting the motion happen when the body brakes. I think more of the horizontal tug feel through the ball but my right arm feel is more like bringing the elbow down and in and happens first
Is the swing a pulling or pushing motion?
Try it out! Its both, if you want. First pull, then push. Also never Black or White as in life in general
Both - depends when and where in the motion.
@@ToddGravesGolf I assume the pull portion is at the beginning and transitions to push at the apex of the downswing. Maybe, I am over thinking it.
@@patbudnick4116 i think it's more pull down right arm and pull through left arm myself but feel ain't always real
I thought moe pulled with his left hand arm
The middle finger is the longest leaver TODD !?¿
It's all the same sport in mechanics and sequence as far as the repeat winners 🏆
Confirmation bias. I am at the far end of the local range because the opposite side of the range is tree lined. I know the distances to the base of trees and practice specific distance and height control. People have to walk past behind me to get to the range. Occasionally I look behind and see people pausing to watch me. Or they sit on the bench behind and watch me. I look down the line and see all kinds of bad swings. why would they not want to do what I do after using your books, lessons and training gear? You hit it - conformation bias. One guy picked up a half bucket that someone left next to me and said "I 'm taking these - you don't need them. " I smiled and said nothing.
Occasionally someone will ask me what I am doing. Invariably these folks have never heard of Moe Norman. I tell them that Tiger Woods and Lee Trevino - both marvelous conventional swingers - sort of for Trevino - said Moe was the best they ever saw.
As an aside - I think that many of the great players have injured backs and consequently other golfers succeed on the Senior PGA Tour because they are less injured. Fred Couples for example ,with that sweet and smooth reverse C in his earlier years, wears a back brace. This is certainly easier and gee my back never hurts.
Funny world - a bad swing and confirmation bias. Nobody cares how I swing - but I sure do enjoy getting those strange looks. Success is funny like that. Look at me because I don't care. truth be told I sort of like it....welcome to the feeling of greatness...
Todd. Sincerely thanks for what you have done for my game....
Inertia, momentum and time. Your body parts are heavy which means that their velocity need not be great to impart a lot of speed to the much lighter golf club. This transfer of momentum (mass times velocity) implies the potential for a very great increase in club (head) speed. Todd is right, the more the body "stops" the greater the potential transfer. All that remains is that the maximum velocity arrives at the appropriate time (just after impact to ensure maximum ball compression). Moe attributed his early "timing" for his transition into the feeling of greatness. Todd says that you have to slow down to speed up and that is all about swinging through the ball and not at it.