StarCraft 2: GuMiho makes Battlecruisers look OVERPOWERED! (GSL Code S)
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2023
- GuMiho vs Creator in a best-of-3 series of StarCraft 2 from the GSL Code S. This series shows a variety of build orders and strategies, with a heavy focus on Protoss aggression and Terran defense.
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High templar, Archon... (5:45) "they go hand in hand" 🤣
Dodging the widow mines with the stalkers is insanely easier than doing it with adept’s shades.
I agree, Its actually super easy to do it with stalkers. Adepts are another level
shade dodge is another level
Yeah, ten folds lol... One is reactive, the other is proactive (you need to shade prior to engaging, as opposed to just blinking)
Gumiho? Battlecruiser ? Me clicks immediately 👌
All I need are the Battlecruisers lmao.
Bro, the N64 Starcraft BW was my *introduction* to Starcraft. I don't remember where it came from but we used to play hours on it, split screen against my brothers and uncle. You could select more units than the PC version too. I have a cartridge right on my shelf now, don't even have the console just found the cartridge at a garage sell. It's still worth like $60.
Didn’t do the thing. Big sad!
Aw he kinda did tho and Im grateful for his consistency :)
I'm happy he is protecting his voice, but I do wish he would keep the same cadence and flow of the og intro! He just needs to stay away from the rasp
SAME
BCs are absolutely OP! It's the tankiest capital ship by far (after the mothership, a unique support), has the highest dmg ability, has the highest ground DPS and is tied for highest on air DPS... AND IT TELEPORTS ANYWHERE IF YOU GET IN A BAD SPOT.
...all that for only 40 more resources compared to a carrier (after buying 4 interceptors) or 150 compared to brood lords (which have 1/3 the ground DPS and no abilities).
FYI I play zerg, not protoss.
Lowko' true talent is entertaining us in the first minutes when literally nothing ever happens
Oof what a massive space battle between Terran and Protoss fleets, thanks a lot for casting this, Lowko!
There is no way I can blink like that against Widow Mines! That was impressive.
Lowko, that was how I found out about Starcraft, blockbuster and a copy of Starcraft 64 and I was hooked from there, but if I remember right it runs ok until there is more then 5 units on the map lol!
I religiously played STARCRAFT 64 when I was younger, precisely because it had splitscreen for multiplayer, so me and a friend would play like that against the AI. Unit groups were also increased to 18 instead of 12 which helped ZERG alot
it is in my opinion top 3 best RTS for consoles considering the controller limitations
if you ever do plan on playing that version, do check "hotkeys" for it, it's what makes it a playable game
I grew up playing SC:BW on N64😭 didn’t get it on PC until around 02-04, I was blown away 😂
Carriers to the left of me battlecruisers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with Lowko.
Nintendo 64 was my first introduction to StarCraft you could hold 18 units in a control group no hot keys and I remember using the yellow pad on the right of the controller to build units
That final battle in the first game... 70 supply of army lost in less than 10 seconds.
Battlecruisers look really overpowered vs. Protoss... when Protoss doesn't make their counter unit vs. Mass Battlecruisers. Which is the Void Ray.
Lol Voidrays. Can't tell if serious or not.
With upgrade leed and without rays yea ..
Would be interesting to see the percentage of wins between the races when they reached late game stage.
My guess? Terran is totally dominant.
It definitely is. A few of the late game Zergs probably have a slight advantage tho. A lot of it is the maps.
the mule mechanic alone makes TERRAN absolutely dominant and GHOSTS counter everything
@@jesusbarrera6916only against zergs ghost do that. Protos has rapid fire feedback
@@jesusbarrera6916 yeah i feel like the EMP ability should go to the raven.. in highlevel ZvT that may be even a buff since you cant neural>emp the ghosts anymore :D
@@jesusbarrera6916ghosts don't counter user error on the ghosts side.
“I see a lot of Terrans overpower Protosses at this point”
*Creator playing a near perfect march not to die* - Am I a joke to you?
StarCraft N64 was the first video game I started playing with my cousin along side conquers bad fur day and golden eye 007. I never have played star craft on anything but a control shit was so fun. Blood bath 1v3 on easy was my go to. God to be 5 again and not have to get up at 5 to go to work.
Whelp, that's an interaction I'd never considered before, Apparently range advantages are far more overpowered in the aftermath of a base trade where everyone is still rebuilding supply. Extended thermal lances for the win.
Collosus are like the Toss version of siege tanks Gumis only hope of ever holding that position was to snipe the Collosus and they both knew that. I've done alot of base trades in my day (as a Terran we usually win those because of the whole lifting buildings thing) but if the enemy has a unit that can outrange your defenses it prevents you from huddling up like Gumi tried to do. Fun fact btw if you get into a situation where neither side can win after 2 mins of nothing being destroyed and nothing being built the game will give a warning and if no one does anything after it forces a tie. for example ZVT you have 3 hydras and a spine and all i have is a rax and a Factory. I float my buildings to the edge of the map and can force a draw becuase you have no way to kill the buildings since you have no drones and no way to make anything that flies edit: Or a similar situation your last building is a spine and you have 3 hydras and I have a engi bay and a banshee (without cloak) I cant engage your hydras because I'll lose my banshee but you cant go after my building because i'll kill your spine and you'll lose I could take a risk and try to outplay you but if I lose the banshee I cant defend my last building however if I keep my banshee away from your hydras you can't risk leaving your spine unguarded. So another draw situation unless someone wants to gamble a loss.(you could split and send 1 or 2 hydras to kill my building but then my banshee will either kill the 1 hydra or the spine and the one hydra like I said its a gamble
I know about SC64. Imagine how hard it was to convince my friends it was real back then.
They didn't believe me, but my scars tell the story!
I played SC2 on a touchscreen laptop and you can have a friend sit besides you and tap certain stuff. In Co-op they could cast the top screen abilities for you if they wanted lol by just touching them
Statcraft64 was awesome, and the first instance of archon mode. I loved playing with friends!
Starcraft 64 is what I grew up with and that game was my introduction into SC and that was brutal.
Bring back Arbiter and we'll see if sky terrain win
Looking forward to the video!
Blinking wis stalkers isa atually pretty easy ( and I’m a gold player ) with adepts it’s VERY difficult ( also during the last game I think the ten range colossi bug that’s running on the ladder has really helped creator )
Just a note Lowko about the ping with the Stalker/Widow Mine dodge. GuMiho was not able to play in the studio due to the massive flooding in South Korea so he played from home.
man that last match, imagine if he just had 1 siege tank....
Hi Lowko, will there be more highlight videos?
this was a nice hybrid intro
Gumi wiped the floor with skytoss in the first game very much thanks to two reasons I think - trading his bio to snipe the sky upgrades, freeing supply for his BCs but also not fighting the carriers thus not freeing the supply for Creator to build tempests instead. Incredibly clever, why would you fight the skytoss with ground army breaking your wrists from splitting against disruptors while trying to focus fire carriers with vikings. Very clever
Carriers get absolutely demolished by battlecruisers. They have more hp more damage and have yamato
I played the 64 atarcraft. Loved it.
I am curious. What happens to the Interceptors when they are recalled while outside of the Carriers?
They just follow because reasons
There were many skyterrans back when ravens had hunter seeker missile.
This one was a Banger!
-Day 4 of checking in on Lowkos voice.
So close on the intro today! You saved your voice by not doing the rasp on the H of Hello, which is great! But you did mess up by completely changing the cadence! Everyone wants to hear the PACE and FLOW of the og intro.
I appreciate that you are protecting your voice! I'll catch you again in the next vid
Speaking of StarCraft 64, you can actually play StarCraft Brood War on Mobile via a Nintendo 64 Emulator App with the ROM; I usually kill time in Highschool playing SC64 on my phone
The hot keys for n64 work better then the computer. :) I remember not having to individually select queens.
Wow, if adhd was a start of a video it would be this one!
Just listened while making bed today and those fist like 2 minutes were... Interesting 😂😂😂
24:35 .. oh the AIURNY
Nerf ghost and medivacs should pick up as fast as it drops
Saw the BCs so I showed. Gotta admit, wish he used them in more matches. Nice games though for sure.
Imagine if that nuke at 21:08 had hit the carriers
Would have been GG there and then, I think
Phoenix openers remind me of those super annoying house flys, that just won't leave you alone, but keep dodging everything you throw at them.
Im wondering because of the last match was that with or without the 10 range bug
I’m actually not entirely sure what version the GSL played on
@LowkoTV I wondered, because the range seems so large. It can also be the ramp though. They always lead to me misjudging ranges. Anyways the matches were awesome. :)
Wouldn’t of mattered creator had a massive supply lead for last match and they out range everything anyway
Thermal lens wasn’t done either until the end
@Name-ru1kt don't misunderstand me here. I dont say he won because of it. I just wondered if they had it. But yeah in that case it's really the ramp making the range look larger than it is
EMP OP
I played broodwar campaing on ThinkPad's trackpoint, but i had to slow down last level.
Yeah RTS games on console is weird but back in the day it's what I usually see since computers in houses weren't the norm where I used to live.
Did Lowko just think of a content idea (Playing Starcraft with a touchscreen?)
Don't know if that's even possible!
Starcraft 2 on a touchscreen would be insanely OP. Imagine not requiring insane mouse aim to do stuff like setting rally points or sending drones to extractors or target fire stutterstepping at high APMs.
Dayum! I was so sure that Gumiho's bait with the first widow mine, then the reapers would work... and then Creator just says "get wrecked noob!" 🤩
6:48 *puts on nerd glasses* Acschually, the plural of "matrix" is "matrices" not "matrixes" (but the latter is acceptable nowadays)
As a kid I actually rented Star Craft from Blockbuster to play on my N64. It was certainly playable but the controls were awful.
Can’t say that if one guy did a good job to mass BC and we are saying it’s OP. Maybe he has been economically advanced in early game and he deserves the victory? This game was released more than a decade ago with numerous balance patches applied. 😀
He completely took Creator apart, Creator never knew about those 8 starports, never tried to fly the prism into the main, he traded bio to snipe the air upgrades and free his supply for more BCs while never fighting carriers head on because that would just free supply for Creator to build more Tempests. Masterclass
Gumiho really went into a battle with 182 army supply and only lost like 7 supply lmao.
What we’re the 3 symbols in the top right corner at the start mean?
My first time playing brood war was on console.
Starcraft 64 was my introduction to SC.... Thank god we werent limited to a controller for future games haha
Considering me and a few friends used windows remote control function to play starcraft 2 on our phones for the shits and giggles, yeah you can play with a touch screen
10:32 nice, that need to happen everytime P is in a non advertages position. you can even late game set up nexus just to recall for fast blitz base trading etcetc .
12:09 so why don't T surround sensors with depos? it is really cheap, you need the depo's and anything that blows them up will be worth the price and delay instead of losing the tower to easy melee runby. also depo can lift/sink into a maze when needed to fk with ai on a-move stuff
13:16 that archon is dreaming off being a dark archon; the true power of spellcast; perma mindcontrol mostly xD
honestly they should allow 2 archons to fuse into a dark archon with all its power, as its 200min,600 gas unit; so perma mind control for 200sp is not too op honestly, cant remember its other abilities xD
upgrade to sentries late game letting them heal shield tyvm, or let them attach to larger units so they cant be targeted before the unit die or something so they are utilized fully in late game, also something with forcefield as late game it seems to never be used
14:13 1,5 archon worth off shield healed; and the delay that static defence created was extreme, 3 fully loaded medivac went into a almost undefended base lost a third+ of their units and only manage minor dmg and a darkshrine snipe.
if those 600 resources hadn't been in static there 3 full medivac uncontested in your mainbase will clean soooo much even if you kill them off.
I've been screaming forever and FINALLY we see a map where static defence from Protoss is used more like it should (lots of it and to prevent micro overload, buy time, and ensure good trading due to shield batteries garanteeing it if they are near.
though still 1 pylon to power them all -.-
14:29 1 nuke cost more than 1pylon+1photon, sooo why are they not there to detect for nukes or take a nuke or give heads up :P you can add in a background battery and now you need a small force to clear it ^^
15:07 "with lib range" it gives the protoss a lot of extra resources for photons a long that side all the way up to the edge and now you gave P a perfectly good reason to use those resources and make his bases much harder to harass, break or force APM on later in the game. honestly T does P a favour if he invest 2-3lib+lib range into this, you as P can throw down 4+ photon cannons to cover the good sieging spots for them. (if you already have pylons you can get 6+ photons, that's 2 photons on each base, that's 1 photon within range of EVERY reasonable lib siege spot...
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and now P got an extra 6 photons for base trade, fallback or to give free apm when harass comes mid large fight to force mistakes (6 photons enhance them with 6 shieldbats +fast cast overcast and you can completely ignore the base; it will hold back 30-40 supply army no problem for a looong time, if crappy units like 15 roaches they will properly lose that fight if not microed well ^^ ofc its split between 3 bases but remember these are just extra on top of what is naturally there, these where just for lib defence, like building your spores, and the batteries you need for base defence and shield recharge on archons,carriers and tempest, so you can never have to many if you micro back over them. etc
StarCraft 64 was my first blizzard game.
Am I crazy or was there a Creator vs Byun matchup where the BCs jumped on Skytoss and absolutely destroyed it in seconds??
Maybe you mean TY - Classic? But there he didn't really destroy skytoss, it's was more like this game, where he was already ahead a ton in supply and caught the protoss fleet, yamatos a bunch and smashes the rest easily because of overwhelming numbers due to already having much higher army supply.
Edit, found it, it's this one: StarCraft 2: INSANE FINAL FIGHT - ByuN vs Creator!
It was just interceptors screwing over Protoss, he simply jumped on top of them and the interceptors weren't out, nor did he retreat.
It was a slaughter, but that's how it should be, it's like running bunched up bio into disruptor fields or banelings, you shouldn't fight when the enemy is strongest and for BC's that's them getting into the thick of the fight and using Yamato.
@@tobiasL1991 yep that latter one was the one I meant, cheers
24:21 - Targeting all those yamatos at different targets while everything is clumped up must be a pain as well, right?
At first I just looked the supply drop.. then I watched it again.. and rewatched it a few more times 'cause it' awesome ^
Artosis already did a Starcraft N64 stream
I used to have n64 starcraft. I loved that game. I think the game would be harder to get then the console.
I always heard about skytoss, or protoss armada etc, but I never see it being strong. It's always zerg and terran SKY that is stronger.
The reason why is because those games are much more rare where they do actually work which makes people want to cast them more.
Its gotten worse over the years since it used to be the only thing everyone played against
Carriers are big in lower leagues, because they require almost no micro to be effective. Both Terran and Zerg have responses for them but they require *some* micro to be effective. That’s not a problem for the pros. Conversely, pros don’t use carriers too much because *they* can’t micro them either to make them more effective. It’s more like a specialist unit.
@@enriquegarciacota3914 Thats what I also feel like. Still, not sure why Lowko always hyping up skytoss, when 90% of the time it gets rekt
@@navins11 because the Protoss Golden Armada "deathball" just looks awesome, whether or not it can wipe an army 😄
I think it's because SC1 skytoss was sooo epic, they rekt everything else and nothing in SC2 can compare, Z and T had to prevent P from assembling the deathfleet or else.
I defend Widow mine drops by having stalkers already at the edge with obs to scout because I can't micro good xd
Huh... that's the classic intro without sing-songing it.
I don't know how I feel about it. It's... conflicting.
Eh, I guess I'll take what I can get.
This is probably a stupid question but does anyone know if the fps is capped at something in Starcraft 2?
yes it is capped at 512 fps
Air Superiority!
Lowko you were in a Netflix documentary! Did you know that? They used your voice.
Which one? Title?
@chillynewberg2652 unkown killer robots. Lowko should sue for sure and get a few $100k
FOL LOW KO
terrans need to put more bunkers in mineral lines against prot put missile-bunker done. destroyed those zealots and darks
Had a touch screen and it was impossible to play like with a mouse pad😂
LOOOOWKOOOOO Use an emulator bro. Would be a great stream and an awesome VOD.
and here i though that starcraft was on the super nintendo, god i'm old
Touchscreen to grandmaster challenge incoming
Wow, is it opposite-day? Toss won against Terran? That can't be.
Mass Phoenix as counter??
Why are we seeing so many battlecruiser games so suddenly?
They’ve finally prepared the fleet
It's because playing standard results in getting countered a lot easier due to the opponent playing anti-standard (bio in the case of Terran), while pulling off weird things can do game-winning surprise damage or mess with a build order so badly that it creates an advantage. That is, of course, emphasizing the "pulling off" part because if the weird thing doesn't work, usually the one doing it is screwed.
@@joshuakim5240 Well aware. Name an appropriate late game response in this scenario.
@@admiralmurphy1543
Mass marine is commonly doubled down on to deal with Skytoss, but that's very easily shut down by HTs (that Creator made due to Gumiho playing bio for 90% of that game). Gumiho deliberately hid his BCs as long as he could to bait Creator into making an anti-bio Skytoss force that was very low on Tempests, getting that one golden engagement that won him the game.
If Creator knew that Gumiho was bleeding out his bio force, then he could have more aggressively attacked and just wiped out Gumiho way before he came even close to that critical death mass of BCs (Gumiho literally made that mass during Creator's final attack, that's how close it was cut), but the threat of there being a hundred marines instead made Creator go too hard on Carriers, HTs, and Archons instead and poked too slowly.
@@joshuakim5240 and as for the battlecruiser themselves, are you convinced mass tempest is the appropriate response?
Have I gone crazy or did the video end early??
Same
fax
WAIT YOU NEVER PLAYED THE 64 VERSION??? THATS THE VERSION I GREW UP ON THOUGH😂😂 I am only 23 I feel shook
Creator basically diamond league lol
TOUCHSCREEN STARCRAFT
50%of the time, they work everytime:). And it's the best..
Lol what if u had a touchscreen, still mouse/keyboard, that'd be interesting.. what if you could have a second mirrored touch screen left of ur keyboard? Heh naa
I had the unpleasant experience of playing SC64, and let me tell you that thing begs for a mouse. There is no micro or macro even possible 😂
I played Starcraft 64! 😆
Star Craft 64 was my sh*@ back in the day.
Dude, I miss your intros..... when will it come back?
terran op
Buff Protoss
I allways liked zvt more but now z seems very much nerfd.
Tvp seams more fair nowadays.
I’m just a diamond Protoss pleb but maybe voidrays against the BCs? I never make them because they suck but maybe in this specific case…
Void Rays even with prismatic alignment are no match at all, especially against Yamato cannons. Mix of carriers and void rays also doesn't work. the only practical counter is mass tempest with some carriers. But the problem is widow mines are then mass produced and easily take out several tempests with each volley. You could theoretical counter with archons, if they were all underneath the BCs and the BCs don't move, but that is not realistic.
whats this guy's name?
No intro singing :(
Yeah idk why he changed the cadence. Everyone wants him to protect his voice. Just avoid the rasp when saying the H in Hello!
I could stream starcraft 1 on android there's a app where u can play it
widow meme?