I really don't see Loki as this evil dude. Yes, he's killed for what he wants, but so has E V E R Y Assassin and Templar in the series. Basim is vengeful, that's it. Apart from that, he has honour, he has duty, commitment, passion and dreams. Odin is to blame for his cold ways since leaving the Isu homeworld.
@takoshihitsamaru4675 odin is more to blame but both people are gray and its better for that fact. A obvious good guy would sick. Thay are bothers who love each other but hate what the other has done. Basim is a true assassin he believes in the creed buy won't let it harm him or anyone else in the rare occasion he finds it too simple as a creed. Be free but do as I say is a very difficult thing to just accept.
Basim is just him loki is basim... he is cold because he's older and he's carrying the pain of loss. You lose your 3 kids and wife and then remember getting tortured while odin was away and couldn't oversee things... basim is a good man in a bad world. All he did was love a women from the "wrong" side...
I don't blame Basim for wanting revenge on Odin but at the same time Eivor can't help that they're Odin. It's not like you get to choose who reincarnates into you. So for the ending of Valhalla I'd say he was more leaning towards a villian, but in the modern day and every other point in time he was an anti-hero.
He was a full on hero in Mirage up till his battle with Roshan. Helping kids on the street, disapproving of Ali's needless violence and always defending Roshan and showing gratitude whenever Nehal tries to talk smack of the Hidden Ones. The real question is wether or not he threw all of this away once his memories awoken, nobody truly knows what he is now
Loki and basim are one entity... basim was angry but not evil... he still helps people in valhalla and comments on tragedy as he sees it. He saves people and set up the british brotherhood. He didn't have to do any of that...
I don’t think he threw it all away, the best example of it was in Hytham, you can see it when he finds him in Mirage and during their interactions in Valhalla. He cared about him and I dare even to say he was like a son to him in some aspects, but his vengeance against Eivor made him loose everything
@@TheAssasin117 his scene finding Haytham in Mirage happens prior to Basim recovering his memories at the end of the game. It's a fully human Basim that recruits Hytham
I felt like Basim supported Eivor taking out Kjotve because then he would have Sigurd to himself entirely. He should have known an Acolyte such as Hytham would be ill-prepared - just as he was when it was Roshan who stepped in on his behalf in Mirage. Only Basim didn't do as Roshan had done, he didn't protect Hytham. Basim thought Hytham would not interfere by agreement with Eivor. IMO Hytham was under the Hidden Ones Council, through HIS mentor Rayhan, who had told him to watch Basim, so not under Basim at all. I think Hytham questioned Basim all along about how Basim was trying to setup Eivor on Hidden Ones' ways, but was being so cagey to create a false narrative of friendship. Basim was happy to quickly step aside on Kjotve because it was a false narrative to Eivor's face that her guard would be completely down he was duplicit. He'd manipulated Sigurd in the same manner. His agreement for the Hidden Ones to step aside on her family honour claim meant a potentially easy disposal of Eivor, and his control over Sigurd becoming unchallenged and complete. I think Hytham knew something was up, thought he might be aiding/saving Eivor but it backfired because while he had masterful moves, he had made an Acolyte's inexperienced summation of when to strike. It was also telling that then both Hytham and Eivor were left behind due in large part to Basim's influence over Sigurd. It is just my opinion but Basim was always very calculating. The campfire discussion also seems to indicate this in that Basim had no camaraderie to Eivor so what did it matter if he told her the truth about his family, she was nothing to him, and may have thought her end was imminent and therefore of no consequence. He had already started his path and merely performing means to an end. He didn't realise until later, he'd had his face turned in the wrong direction.
I personally see him as heroic but kinda grey. Like a light grey, but his reasons for defying his mentor are understandable. It reminds me of Rogue where the protagonist felt like he was led by a lie or secrecy in a negative way that he turns against the Brotherhood as a result, although it’s more against the Brotherhood as a whole than one person in order to find one’s self. Ngl I kinda like how the voice was chosen for Roshann it’s not usually a voice you’d expect from a female character, even if the character is old. A raspy, somewhat androgynous and deep voice which can exist irl, but not often. I don’t care if it’s representation, I’m just glad it was chosen in a game in general.
@@mohamedf4114How is he misunderstood? "Oh I'm sorry, my hidden blade started stabbing people on it's own!" I like that Rogue painted a picture of how there are good and bad assassin's, but that kinda is proven wrong in basically every AC game where templars just have the tendency to be greedy and bloodthirsty or just be assholes in general
@@Ligmaballin What are you talking to me about? From betraying the assassins to defeating Achilles, Shay is literally trying to save the world, I'm not talking about the Templars in general at all. You should play AC Rogue again.
I would love a video deconstructing and exploring Basim as a character in both Mirage and Valhalla. I see so many people call him boring and I just can’t agree. The campfire scene from Valhalla hits so different after playing Mirage. It almost not retroactively feels like the old Basim is coming out instead of his post Loki personality.
I like that we, the player, are under the impression that he's Odin during that scene. He says his kid was murdered by someone he trusted, so you put two and two together. Plus, he's one of the hidden ones, and they're the good guys, right? RIGHT? When we find out that he's not the guy we thought he was, our character also finds out that he's not the good guy. I do have to give them credit for that, we knowa lot of things about Norse mythology so we immediately get an idea of what we're dealing with.
I think it's very unfair to compare Roshan to Al-Mualim just because of the third irony of the Creed. She was right in the end, and didn't want to control him. All of her actions were to help Basim let go of the past that hurt him, so the past wouldn't define him, the same thing Roshan went through. Roshan really loved Basim as a son, she didn't wish to lose him and Basim felt the same, his voice even breaks when he asks her to yield because he wishes her no harm despite everything. All that changes when Basim recovers his memories, Roshan doesn't even look him in the eye in the epilogue and he laughs as she walks off, he's not the hero anymore and Roshan couldn't save him.
I understand where you’re coming from but I think the comparison still fits. Al Mualim also deeply cared for Altair, not unlike Roshan did for Basim. Altair saved Al Mualims life after all in Revelations, and Al Mualim chose to spare him and strip him of his rank rather than kill him for betraying the tenets of the Creed. Altair was his most prized and gifted student. It’s true Roshan did what she thought was best for Basim and I agree that she was right in the end, but how was Basim supposed to trust her when she has intentionally hid the truth from him, and then literally just tried to kill him seconds earlier? Her reasons may not have been as selfish as Al Mualims but the dynamic between Master/Pupil is very similar imo.
I think Roshan is a mix of mentors figures. Bellec in the sense that she’ll do what she thinks is best for the creed even if it means killing her brothers but well intentioned, Al-Mualim for a somewhat secretive deception to lead a disciple in the direction she thought was best without open communication even if her intentions were again supposed to be better, then in the end she’s treated like Altair is again a big connection they seem to want to push with the daughter of no one title and her leaving the creed because of differences with her opinions on Basim to then in her Valhalla segment trying to save the creed after a period of being gone like Altair did with her planting the seed in Jerusalem with that letter apparently.
Bassim in Mirage kinda reminds me of Jin Sakai and Nihal somewhat reminds me of Yuna. Both Bassim and Jin served with eagerness and loyalty until Nihal and Yuna helped them see the hypocrisy in both the Assassin Brotherhood and the Samurai that both Roshan and Shimura refused to acknowledge because the Brotherhood and Samurai Code is all that Roshan and Shimura knew. That rigid dogmatic way of thinking ended up resulting in both Jin and Bassin embracing a darker more effective path even if that path differed from what they first idolised.
Basim is my 5th favourite protagonist in the series which is saying something considering how many games there are, for me it goes Ezio, Altair, Edward, Bayek then the Basim
The william miles Valhalla scene alludes to Basim leading he brotherhood in the present day, him wearing a white hoodie and a hidden blade is also quite reminiscent of Desmond. He does state the creed is very important to him, and that the current assassins don't hold a candle to the ones in the old days. I just hope ubisoft doesnt mess this up. We need him as the modern day assassin, with an overarching story like Desmond.
To me I think it’s interesting to think of it kind of reverse Edward Kenway story. Where he’s more selfless and learns to start serving himself more, where Edward was too selfish wanting more for himself to dedicating himself to serve others yet both start out as rather ambitious characters.
Basim is definitely a hero. He's more dedicated to the brotherhood to were he called them his family. And he can be caring and selfless. Loki is a anti-villian because he can be caring at times and he does have some love for the brotherhood but he's always known as a trickster and manipulator who seeks revenge on Odin and all those who did him wrong.
@@vengeance1450 My mistake. He just seemed like he did in AC Valhalla. Especially after training Haytham. He seemed like a good mentor to him so I thought he had some type of love and commitment to the brotherhood like Basim did.
@@jaustoncarter8995Ig Loki and Basim kinda merged with either side comming out at different times to different extents. So Basim does care about the Assassines and Haytham but Loki doesn't
In honesty, I really like Basim's character. He's one of the more interesting characters to come out of AC in the past few games. Even the post-Valhalla Basim is kinda hard to classify as a straight villain. I really look forward to seeing where they take him.
Remember Subject 16's words to Desmond in AC Revelations. "What is a man but the sum of his memories?" The Bleeding Effect Desmond got from prolonged exposure to the Animus is actually an artificially-induced version of the "Sagefication" process that Sages like Basim and Aita's Sages went through. Remember that in AC Revelations, had Desmond not reached a synch nexus with Altair and Ezio, both Altair and Ezio's memories would've coalesced with his own, and would either produced an entirely new person (like what happened with Basim, Bartholomew Roberts, etc, etc), being a mix of Desmond, Altair, and Ezio. Or Desmond would've gone insane from three lifetimes' worth of memories in his brain and offed himself like most of the Subjects before him. Probably the more likely scenario, as he's not a reincarnation of the people whose memories are mixing with his own, unlike the Sages in AC. P.S. I would really love it if we keep playing as Basim in the modern day segment, and maybe even get some linear stealth missions with him like we did in AC3 with Desmond. Imagine if Basim in the modern day just straight up goes Sam Fisher on enemies, lmao.
I definitely felt like basim was a hero at the beginning of the game, when he was eliminating targets, but by the end at the vault, that changed a little bit like you said in the video. I'm honestly curious, what would have happened if basim chose not to embrace and accept loki, like how eivor did with Odin at the end of the Valhalla base game. Of course in the update the last chapter from Valhalla that changes as well.
Eivor's "rejection" is more like she is refusing to go back to her old ways as Odin, since her previous actions still weigh heavily on her mind as seen on the vision in Norway. Her memories resurfaced eventually but she didn't become a worst person for it or stopped being herself. Basim however rejected his new life entirely by fully embracing Loki, he refused the changes he went through and accepted to become the same man who tortured Baldur to death and caused wars. It's like Basim didn't accept his past mistakes like Eivor did. Instead he let the past define who he is, going against everything Roshan taught him
I don’t really see how he was power hungry, it’s not like he wanted to get riches or take over the clan, if he wanted Sigurd to die he could’ve just slit his throat but he kept the fight really between him an Eivor and just used Sigurd to get in Eivor’s head a tactic he somewhat uses in the Golden City novel that I won’t spoil. He only really fights Eivor for Revenge because they’re a sage of Odin who tortured him, imprisoned his son, and in his mind used his trust and manipulated him. Which isn’t that bad in the sense most Assassins get on a path of revenge: Ezio, Connor, Arno, and is basically what caused the founding of the creed because Bayek and Aya revenge path was basically catalyst that caused the formation of the Brotherhood in opposition to the Order of Ancients. Him going after Eivor isn’t anything horrific he should’ve talked to her but he went under a bad assumption that her relationship to Odin was similar to his with Loki that he didn’t realize until he used the animus, which is like saying Aron’s bad for killing that more innocent Templar because he thought he was bad because of incorrect information he got from Germain. Worst thing you could say is maybe what he tricked Layla to free him but he’s still seemingly going to help the Assassins against the Templars who are way more powerful than them today (I’ll be it while searching for his kid which might be bad but we’ll have to wait and see), and lead Layla to a position where she can help save the world from ISU sights putting out a bad magnetic field that his hurting the planet that started after Desmond’s death to shield the world from the Solar flare that they need to figure out how to turn off since it’s no longer needed and now that it’s just causing harm.
Dude... eivor betrayed him as odin in a past life... sigurd betrayed his son as tyr in a past life and still basim is in conflict as to who if anyone should be "punished" until the very end of the game... Not power hungry at all. In truth basim in valhalla isn't even sure if tyr or odin are actually to blame as until mirage it was revenge for his son not himself.
I think that once Basim accepted Loki's memories and personality, he BECAME Loki. If he behaves like the previous being and keeps their memories, while the other being doesn't exist in any other way, what's to stop him from just calling himself that being, right. To me Basim is Loki and Loki is Basim and the only difference between them were the memories. I mean, Loki is literally in Basim's genetic code. Either way the question is whether Loki is considered a villain or a hero in the long term beyond this game. We know he is a schemer who betrayed Odin and helped bring war upon Asgard, all that to hide his son in there. And we know at the same time that it wasn't personal towards Odin and that he cherished him as a brother and a mentor. But Odin made it personal when he seeked out Fenrir and attempted to straight up kill him due to his paranoia and hatred towards outsiders. Loki wanted vengeance ever since, while at the same time he believed in justice and freedom like an assassin would. It is kinda part of his nature. He could have chosen differently once he started to remember, but he stayed with the order and kept fullfilling its will. He also still had respect for the other mentor besides Roshan, a man who was seemingly more resonable and respectful towards Basim and his insecurities. Even tho he mocked his "mentor" title. I really think that Loki will be an anti-hero in long term. And this was his origin.
Mirage reminds me of AC2 in a way. You start as a young man and evolve into a well trained assassin. It’s similar to Ezio’s story in ac2. The voice changing also helps.
He is a hero. There are no "second beings inside sages heads" just a man who remembered who he really was, and still after all the suffering, he was loyal to the assassins. That is more than can be said for most other sages, including eivor.
Yes thank you! idk why ppl think he’s in the grey. Basim is a reflection of what being to gullible and trusty can do to a person in real life, and through all the pain and betrayal still stuck with the brotherhood. Basim grew up. He still cares for ppl, but he learned how to be more selfish in taking care of himself through finding himself and now the mental illness dreams happen no more. The identity crisis no more. He had a higher calling and was more knowledgeable than any human around him yet those who saw him saw him no more than a man. He knew what he was. A Hero.
STFU. Basim is not a hero. Neither is Hytham. Both were wrecked by Vikings in different respective scenarios. If it wasn't for Eivor (THE ACTUAL HERO), the Order of Ancients would still have a sizable hold over Northwestern Europe. How about you just don't talk? Better yet, piss off back to your stag bullshit. THO tells me you were blocked from his channel for getting crazy with others. Your disrespect is unreal, as are you.
@@DarkoRavens you hate me, yet, I don't even know who you are. That tells me that you are unstable and have made some warped assumptions about me for whatever reason. Chill our.
I know I’m a year late to the party but I just wanted to say that I love Basim and he has so much potential as a character, I would’ve loved to see him in more historical settings or maybe hearing him recount the memories of a past life, idk I just hope they keep basim around for a while and expand on his story
I wish we got to see some modern day stuff with basim, I wanna know his intentions and everything since he’s alive and with William and the other assassins
I agree! It was a pretty ominous feeling at the end of the game there, leaving you playing Basim in modern-day times and Rebecca & Sean starting to feel suspicious because Layla’s suddenly nowhere to be found. It felt like something bad was about to happen and I wanted to see it, dammit. 😝
What I really loved about Basim’s story is that I now understand that in Modern Day, his motivations are still aligned with the Assassin’s. He’s still Basim the Hidden One, now Basim-Loki the Assassin. I think he’s a hero, I think he brings more to the Assassin’s that will only aid them in taking down then Templars
He's certainly helping the Assassins for now. And he will be useful. But I believe he will only help as long as it benefits him. He's not trustworthy and not predictable. Not for now at least
@@m.r4841 well, what we see in Mirage and Valhalla is Basim is very very committed to the creed. And that doesn’t change with Loki’s memories. I think if anything, he’s a pivotal member who has much more knowledge of artifacts and of the Templars.
@@Quipen248 He was committed with the Creed in Mirage. But we don't see that in Valhalla. He betrays the Brotherhood when he wants to accomplish his personal goals. It's clear that his agenda is above the brotherhood. He's a selfish opportunist.
@@m.r4841 I don’t think “betrayed” the brotherhood, he did have personal goals yes. However those personal goals aligned with the brotherhood’s to take back the English Isles. Besides, in Mirage we see that Rahan sides with Basim’s desire to embrace what he is.
I hope they don't just ditch the current modern day plot with Infinity. Basim/Loki being there makes it infinitely more interesting for me after finishing Mirage and knowing who he is and what he does in Valhalla. I wanna see what happens. Like, he is part of the brotherhood and honors that, as far as we know. But he has his very personal motives he'll probably keep following. That could actually be a modern day plot I would strongly care about.
He's like haytham kenway in some ways but if he went the assassin path instead of the Templar path i would love to see an interaction between basim and haytham i feel like they would agree on alot of things but also disagree on other things to but ultimately work together maybe
@@reality_is_sinhis intentions aren’t bad because he just wants revenge but that revenge leads him to trying to kill another one of the protagonists, making him seem evil
He’s not a villain he’s hunting down the man who killed his family it’s like calling ezio a villain for killing the man responsible that killed his family
He doesn't want to get revenge for his torture, that's the whole point of him "liberating" the jinni The reason why is probably because he at least owns up to Baldur's death. But he still wants payback for Fenrir's imprisonment
*Basim Ibn Is’Haq* means *”One Who Smiles”* and by his first glimpse as a apprentice, I most likely assume that the *Hidden Ones* are the bad guys and the *Order of Ancients* are the good guys. Edit: Maybe in the near releases they will reveal this. The series will *”probably”* go into an recycle. A repeat. AC1 through whenever AC ends back to AC1 ending up with Altaïr Ibn La Ahad, his untapped memories.
I starting to believe that Basim was the reason that the order of the Ancients was on its last legs during assassin creed Valhalla, and that his imprisonment in the simulation gave King Alfred the change he needed to give birth to the Templar order.
Basim is a complicated character, and I like this complexity. It's regretful that in mirage he stays the justice-bringer and humble servant without complaints for most of the time. If the story could be more dramatic with more ups and downs and show more about how Basim struggle innerly, it would be better.
I would love to see either a DLC or another standalone game covering more of Basims story until the events of Valhalla. Maybe even a game where we play as basim thorough the events of Valhalla. Would love that.
I was thinking the samething, that we could end the game where he meets with Sigurd. And a dlc where he meets with William Miles in person and his views on the Assassin's now and the 21 century
It seems like they're gonna use Basim for the modern day story for the next couple of games. I honestly like his character so I'll watch youtube videos for the next 3 AC games till we get an actual return to roots.
Started Valhalla again right after mirage (THEY BOTH NEED NG+) i remember when I first played I was interpreting basims interest in eivor as the hidden ones wanting to establish a bureau in the north and basim had heard of eivor’s skill through Sigurd. Now I see every detail and let me tell you so far optimistic street thief basim is dead and buried by the time he has grey hair
I didn’t really understand the ending of AC Mirage but this really helped. You can’t help but sympathize with Basim especially after finding out Nehal wasn’t even really there
Basim's self-service really showed through for the first time in the House of Wisdom after he was ambushed and threatened to kill the man who led him there. We've seen these moments of anger in other characters before, but what sets him apart is that he always felt a sense of duty and justice, yet these more selfish and evil moments still spill out on occasion, and threatening to kill the assistant who led led him into an ambush was purely from rage and intent. There was no intimidation tactic, it was genuine rage, which made it all the more intimidating for the assassistant. I dont believe revenge was ever Basim's goal until Nur laid dying in front of him. Until then, his purpouse was to bring justice for the people of Baghdad and find the truth he sought. In Alamut, his revenge was short lived, killing a few men before immediately turning his attention back to the temple and finding answers. Then, after accepting Loki, it felt as if he was still going to be himself. More wary of the Hidden Ones after their highest members tried to lie to him and control him, but still a Hidden One with the same goals. Then, the only one left that he could trust, scarred his face and left him all alone. That was the moment Basim died, and Loki's agenda took the front stage. Basim was still able to seeve the Hidden Ones, and even train Hytham years later, but Loki's revenge on Odin was what mattered most. And now? Well, what would you do if the rest of your species tried to leave you for dead while they moved on? Thriving in chaos, knowing that the world is on the edge of destruction again, how would you react? I cant wait to see more of modern day Basim, especially knowing that the Assassins know what he truly is.
Far as I believe developer interviews have asserted, the sages do not have split personalities. The conversations they have with their isu selves is just a visual representation of their mental conflicts, trying to make sense of having memories of two different lifetimes, and the outcome diverges in whether or not they accept those personality traits and motivations that have been buried by time. In the end it's honestly much like what the bleeding effect does to you when it gets so bad that your mental partitions break down and you start thinking like the other person seamlessly, except the memories actually are yours, or at the very least you were never anyone else before acquiring them; you were just born again with partial amnesia that fades as your brain matures. Basim is Loki, but he denied it strongly in his early life, or perhaps just failed to come to terms with it, and his mind hallucinated the thought patterns of his old self as a separate person who doesn't really exist. But in the end he couldn't bare to give up what used to matter to him(Loki) either, unlike Eivor who made sense of her past but rejected Odin's sense of values. The outcome is a Basim who thinks distinctly like Loki did, and inherits his priorities and motivations, as far as the desire to reunite his family and bring vengeance upon Odin. But he still has the memories of growing up on the streets as Basim and training as a Hidden One, and all the changes to his personality and beliefs that would entail. When he tells William that he cherishes their creed, I truly do not believe he is lying, but he also cherishes other things too, the things the original Loki did.
A wise dragon once asked, "What is better: to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?" I've since come to believe "being born good" is better, actually changed my mind over time, but I can actually see it both ways
I’m gonna divide it up into what I consider the differences - Street thief/Hidden One Basim: ‘young, broken, desperate to do good’ to quote Roshan, hybrid Basim - accepting memories and embraces Loki/Jinni, and Valhalla Basim or “Loki”. I feel Basim goes through yet another change from the end of Mirage to Valhalla going full into his Isu identity while preserving core Basim values - explaining how he goes over the edge to kill Eivor
I believe he was in the middle leaning towards hero but he by far is one of my favorite characters in the series after playing mirage due to the amount of depth his character has and how his story plays out embracing Loki I loved ac mirage
i never really considered him a villain or a hero, he's simply a guy who does what he believes is right from his prespective and of course not ruining things or seeking control, like the way we always thought the assassins are right and the templars are wrong until we saw events from haytahm's and shay's prespective. the complexity of his character makes him very unique and for me the perfect assasin, yes some things should stay the way they are but just what if or why we are doing what we are doing is it really for this purpose or something much more.
i would say basim is a chaotic good character, or anti hero, even in valhalla up until the ending. roshan is the real villain in mirage. not because she was entirely evil, but because she turned him away from the right path by being dishonest and keeping things from him.
One interesting dot I connected is Basim being trapped in the simulation after Valhalla is an example of the “poetry” the reincarnations experience. Trapped as an Isu, and then once again as a human.
Basim is definitely one of my bew favorite characters in this series. No questions asked. Also, to the cultured few Play with the Arabic dub. That is where thw true performances were, ugh. ❤️
I kind of hated him in valhalla in a good way, i thought he was the villain but now im more on his side even if i dont like his loki personality, his idealistic young version was really good, he was a great character and that also was a surprise for me.
Personally I love Basim and see him righteous, defending the brotherhood and avenging his family. It's just a more complicated form of Ezio. Odin didn't care about anything but his fear of demise to Ragnarök. All Basim ever wanted was to find his true calling and reunite with his family.
The true answer is we really don't know. He's is still alive, his story isn't over, and his true motives are still unknown. Do we even know his connection to Aletheia yet??
Bayek hunted down the Order of the Ancients because they killed his son. Basim hunted down Eivor because he has parasitic memories of Loki that have brainwashed him into believing that Eivor killed his dog. They are not the same.
Definition of A morally Gerry character. He does/did too much to be considered bad but then did too much scheming/evil things to be considered bad. I think he walks that fine line and I do believe he will show up in more entries, just not sure which one.
Just finished the game so here are some of my conclusion. I feel Basim is weak, unlike Eivor who managed to rejects her/his incarnate. Basim, due to his circumstances, just gave in to his jinni (accepting his incarnate) and thus allowing the Trickster Loki in. Also interesting fact is Jins can also be a Syaitan (Satan) which lo and behold also deceives human, a trickster you might say. Also I dont know why people keep saying Basim is still Basim after accepting Loki. I dont really feel the same way if even the eagle cannot recognise Basim and scratched his face. Also note that while Basim were mindlessly trying to kill Eivor and Sigurd, he's talking about fenrir as if He experienced it first hand thus another reason why He is now Loki, no longer Basim. So.. is he a hero... Definitely not. Is he a villain... yes as he is still much obsessed to bring back his dead family back using whatever he can gain from Eivor's memories as stated from Valhalla's ending. He is definitely an infestation within the hidden ones. And i hate that creators decided that Loki still lives and not Eivor/Alexios/Kassandra or even Layla
I had played some Valhalla when it first released and didn’t like it that much. So I had forgot major parts of the story (including Basim) so I went into mirage knowing nothing. This ending had really confused me so I watched a few videos and learned all about how basin was in Valhalla and how he was the reincarnation of Loki. This is actually really cool how they made a game about the antagonist from a previous game but I had really grown to like Basim since it was kinda sad for me to see him become i guess you could say evil. I think now I have to get back into Valhalla
He was a hero until the end and basically became loki again since he is the reincarnated version of him, getting those memories back from the past made him hungry for revenge which was shown in Valhalla
A lot of protagonist have appeared in other games.... Connor and Eveline in AC liberation HD Adawale in Rogue The girl from chronicles china is in embers Edward Kenway is in a vision in AC Odyssey There's more too, if you watch a timeline video it fleshes it all out
I mean if someone told me that all the answers to my soul crushing identity chrisis were just chilling underneath my base of operations and was expected to just ignore it forever, I'd be a little annoyed too
i felt really betrayed by basim at the end of valhalla because he was the only assassin really, but thanks to mirage i like him now i enjoyed playing as basim more than bayek for example and i enjoyed that you had to assasinate more it felt more like a assassin
So what’s next for the franchise? Is Basim going to be the main character going forward? I think that’s a very cool concept having an assassin from the past now be our present day protagonist. Even though Valhalla wasn’t the best game, I really liked where it sent the story and I’m really intrigued to see where it goes after mirage 🎉
Saying Basim is a bad guy is like saying Bayek or Arno are bad people. All want revenge for injustice for how they were treated and what was taken from them. Basim is just finally acting for himself like Arno did using the creed for resources to do his own personal bidding except Basim does a better job at doing it while doing what’s necessary for the Creed at the same time. Basim was a super good guy, and only even tried to kill when necessary you here in his dialogue after kills saying like there wasn’t another way and stuff like that not just endlessly killing to achieve his means. Plus he has pretty good reason that I think any other protagonist would’ve tried to fight Eivor if they felt they were manipulated and controlled by them and then tortured and your kids taken from you as prisoners because of some possible future. Basim should have talked to Eivor but didn’t know that Odin’s consciousness was appearing different to them than him and didn’t realize the difference in their situations until he got in the animus and experienced her memories. He could have just killed basically her brother in front of her if he wanted to make her suffer but kept it between them. He was a pure hero who just learned to look out for themselves at the same time while still doing good serving the creed, where he might be less selfless than he was but nowhere near bad, I think Antihero what you said is fair. The only thing that might make him bad is what might potentially happen in modern day searching for his kids if that puts more harm to the world than good and if he sees this prioritizing the world or his loved ones, but so far I wouldn’t say he’s really bad at all. Roshan definitely was in the wrong for trying to lie and control and threaten him withholding things that directly affect him without treating him like an adult and explaining the situation to him and where she’s coming from even though her intentions were good Basim at least earned respect enough for that being on the cusp of being ranked Master even though he was just ranked high level Assassin at the time with all he’s done for the creed. Kind of an Anakin moment for Basim sure, but he also got acceptance basically to go into the Vault after saving Alamut by the other Master and was very clear in his intentions where he showed still having respect for the brotherhood that at that point. Where with that permission basically and didn’t go behind the Assassins back in Mirage even where he didn’t really do anything wrong and Roshan just didn’t agree with it even though the action at that point was in no way betraying the brotherhood and she was basically pulling a Bellec at that point because the person who gave Basim permission was even her superior it seemed. But Basim still chose to not kill her.
The art of cinema , story telling & script writing is bigger then just “Good Vs Evil” 🤷🏾♂️ Expand your mind bigger people because the grey areas are at a lot larger then how you see it in the beginning. Life is bigger then just “Good & Bad Guys” so much more goes into it ✅.
I hope that basim gets another chance to be seen as a protagonist. Especially like post him embracing Loki. It’d be cool if it acted as a split personality disorder as opposed to just basim being selfish. Like maybe in the modern day they could show the two personalities talking with one another, like basim throughout mirage talks to himself often and barely any other series lead does that.
It would be hilarious if basim and eivor got like stuck in a dream sequence and they turn to their left and see loki and odin fist fighting basim pre valhalla just asks eivor what the hell happened where are we and why are these two fighting and who are you and eivor is just like buddy we got a lot to catch up on
he wanted revenge for odin imprisoning him and his children. and also being tortured while being imprisoned(mirage shed light on this showing him being tortured). I think in Valhalla dawn of ragnarok odin mentioned/ bragged about imprisoning Loki for a 1000 years. Loki killed odins son as revenge but that didn’t satisfy his thirst for vengeance. so I can’t just say basim/Loki is a villain. More like an anti hero. a father seeking vengeance for him and his children being wrongfully imprisoned by someone mostly all of the isu deemed as “the mad one” and got consumed by his own rage. when basim/loki fought eivor/odin that was almost 80000 years after the events that took place in ragnarok. that’s a lot of pent up trauma, frustration and anger.
Basim and other Sages are technically biological versions of the Bleeding Effect. The Bleeding Effect is mostly artificial because it is when the memories and the personality of the person you experience in Animus coincide with your own. This has the effect of making the person believe they are the same person whose memories they experienced. Regarding Basim, he remembers Loki's memories and the steps he needs to take to get to Yggdrasil via the Isu calculations Aletheia did. Therefore, most of what Basim does in Valhalla is pretty much him following the calculations Loki and Aletheia studied (Giving Eivor Hidden Blade, helping Sigurd remember he was Tyr, and tracking Evior and Sigurd to Yggdrasil).
It’s weird that the Isu consciousnesses operate differently in Eivor and Basim like Loki is personified into Nehal while Odin remains himself within Eivor and I wonder why they have different rules like Odin can attack Eivor and retain his physical form and identity but Loki couldn’t?
Basim is a good guy we can see this in Valhalla we know for a fact that Basim is very devoted and cares for the brotherhood though he did break one rule that is going back to his past despite pledging that he’s going to be reborn as a hidden one and forget who Basim is. We also see him respect the oath of the brotherhood to not spill innocent blood we see him honour this oath since he never deliberately kills eivor the second he sees him despite knowing eivor is Odin since Basim knows that “eivor” is innocent and that his main target is “Odin” and not eivor he literally waited and purposely tried waking up Odin in eivor body and at that moment when Odin woke up in eivor body that was when Basim tried killing eivor
I mean if we think about Loki represents in all fictional stories whether he’s used in the Marvel universe or Norse mythology, he’s always a character that works in his own best interest. This means sometimes he will make decisions that make him look like a villain and others as a hero. At the end it’s all to benefit his own gain. I think the word “villain” is all relative to the perspective of what the story is portraying. In this series assassins are painted as the good guys while templars are painted as the villains. We have only seen basim work on the side of hero’s based on the premise of this story so for now we can conclude that he is a hero. Technically eivor was a part of the Vikings so you can make an argument that basim trying to fight eivor is somewhat a side plot and doesn’t affect the main premise of what the game is about. Considering we are gonna use him going forward I want to lean on the side of saying he’s a hero. It’s clear that he will help Layla at some point.
Wait...If there are no spirits in assassin's creed, how can basim be loki's reincarnation? Reincarnation is literally the process of a spirit being re incarnated into a new body 47 days after it's departure from it's previous one.
It’s definitely not turning on the Assassins, but Eivor was helping fight the order of Ancients which she would probably been seen as a benefit to the brotherhood which I guess could be seen as compromising the brotherhood by trying to take out an asset for personal reasons without any reason to suspect they might turn on the hidden ones I think could be an understandable justification to that. Because also by burning that bridge as a representative of the Hidden ones could’ve lead to them being in conflict with the Raven Clan and their allies if by chance he killed Eivor and word got out and he was still a Master Hidden One and not kicked out of the brotherhood could have been possibly been very bad for the hidden ones potentially.
I hope to see him become a bad man for the right reasons you know? Keeping that mischief apart of him, and also keeping him as a protagonist like maybe how Desmond learned about the Creed Basim might do the same to catch up, somehow😅
After mirage I would love another game like it but I cant see how Ubisoft will pull it off after the Basim character is almost written entirely into a corner and I cant imagine theyll want a different character in a similar setting either unless they use Basims memories to help the modern day Basim find a way to find his children
How great could have been if they released first mirage and then valhalla but in valhalla still being basim. Still working with eivor and sigurd gaining the kingdoms to have the trust of eivor and plotting your revenge.
I think basim is perfectly explained by saying he is like red hood from batman. A tortured soul who is out for vengeance and in doing so separated himself from his friends and also his morals. Eivor, odin, sigurd, tyr, hytham, and hidden ones represent his family, just as batmanandthe batfamily do to jason todd. I think it's easy to see why it's a good comparison. Obviously they aren't the same by any means, but the similarities are there.
I enjoyed Basim’s heroic and idealistic side, with moments of charm and sadness too
It kinda sucked knowing how he’d end up becoming
He became himself.
I really don't see Loki as this evil dude. Yes, he's killed for what he wants, but so has E V E R Y Assassin and Templar in the series. Basim is vengeful, that's it. Apart from that, he has honour, he has duty, commitment, passion and dreams. Odin is to blame for his cold ways since leaving the Isu homeworld.
Liked that side of basim
@takoshihitsamaru4675 odin is more to blame but both people are gray and its better for that fact. A obvious good guy would sick. Thay are bothers who love each other but hate what the other has done.
Basim is a true assassin he believes in the creed buy won't let it harm him or anyone else in the rare occasion he finds it too simple as a creed.
Be free but do as I say is a very difficult thing to just accept.
Basim is just him loki is basim... he is cold because he's older and he's carrying the pain of loss. You lose your 3 kids and wife and then remember getting tortured while odin was away and couldn't oversee things... basim is a good man in a bad world. All he did was love a women from the "wrong" side...
I don't blame Basim for wanting revenge on Odin but at the same time Eivor can't help that they're Odin. It's not like you get to choose who reincarnates into you. So for the ending of Valhalla I'd say he was more leaning towards a villian, but in the modern day and every other point in time he was an anti-hero.
That’s what I kept thinking too…like, “he’s pissed off and wants to kill me for something I don’t have control of here…” lol 🤔😫
He was a full on hero in Mirage up till his battle with Roshan. Helping kids on the street, disapproving of Ali's needless violence and always defending Roshan and showing gratitude whenever Nehal tries to talk smack of the Hidden Ones. The real question is wether or not he threw all of this away once his memories awoken, nobody truly knows what he is now
Loki and basim are one entity... basim was angry but not evil... he still helps people in valhalla and comments on tragedy as he sees it. He saves people and set up the british brotherhood. He didn't have to do any of that...
I think basim is lawful neutral
I don’t think he threw it all away, the best example of it was in Hytham, you can see it when he finds him in Mirage and during their interactions in Valhalla. He cared about him and I dare even to say he was like a son to him in some aspects, but his vengeance against Eivor made him loose everything
@@TheAssasin117 his scene finding Haytham in Mirage happens prior to Basim recovering his memories at the end of the game. It's a fully human Basim that recruits Hytham
I felt like Basim supported Eivor taking out Kjotve because then he would have Sigurd to himself entirely. He should have known an Acolyte such as Hytham would be ill-prepared - just as he was when it was Roshan who stepped in on his behalf in Mirage.
Only Basim didn't do as Roshan had done, he didn't protect Hytham. Basim thought Hytham would not interfere by agreement with Eivor. IMO Hytham was under the Hidden Ones Council, through HIS mentor Rayhan, who had told him to watch Basim, so not under Basim at all. I think Hytham questioned Basim all along about how Basim was trying to setup Eivor on Hidden Ones' ways, but was being so cagey to create a false narrative of friendship. Basim was happy to quickly step aside on Kjotve because it was a false narrative to Eivor's face that her guard would be completely down he was duplicit. He'd manipulated Sigurd in the same manner. His agreement for the Hidden Ones to step aside on her family honour claim meant a potentially easy disposal of Eivor, and his control over Sigurd becoming unchallenged and complete.
I think Hytham knew something was up, thought he might be aiding/saving Eivor but it backfired because while he had masterful moves, he had made an Acolyte's inexperienced summation of when to strike. It was also telling that then both Hytham and Eivor were left behind due in large part to Basim's influence over Sigurd.
It is just my opinion but Basim was always very calculating. The campfire discussion also seems to indicate this in that Basim had no camaraderie to Eivor so what did it matter if he told her the truth about his family, she was nothing to him, and may have thought her end was imminent and therefore of no consequence. He had already started his path and merely performing means to an end.
He didn't realise until later, he'd had his face turned in the wrong direction.
I personally see him as heroic but kinda grey. Like a light grey, but his reasons for defying his mentor are understandable. It reminds me of Rogue where the protagonist felt like he was led by a lie or secrecy in a negative way that he turns against the Brotherhood as a result, although it’s more against the Brotherhood as a whole than one person in order to find one’s self.
Ngl I kinda like how the voice was chosen for Roshann it’s not usually a voice you’d expect from a female character, even if the character is old. A raspy, somewhat androgynous and deep voice which can exist irl, but not often. I don’t care if it’s representation, I’m just glad it was chosen in a game in general.
I know a french comedian women that speak with this kind of voice peach
Dude wrote a whole essay
I think basim is lawful neutral
@@abdulraheem4823You should write more.
@@stephordless8876 nah bro I am good
Shay is more of an antihero, Basim is basically the "die a hero or live long enough to become a villain".
😂 I can see that!
Shay is a misunderstood hero who became a cold templar
Shay is a straight up hero who chose to save world. But yeah ending made him cold
@@mohamedf4114How is he misunderstood? "Oh I'm sorry, my hidden blade started stabbing people on it's own!" I like that Rogue painted a picture of how there are good and bad assassin's, but that kinda is proven wrong in basically every AC game where templars just have the tendency to be greedy and bloodthirsty or just be assholes in general
@@Ligmaballin What are you talking to me about? From betraying the assassins to defeating Achilles, Shay is literally trying to save the world, I'm not talking about the Templars in general at all. You should play AC Rogue again.
I would love a video deconstructing and exploring Basim as a character in both Mirage and Valhalla. I see so many people call him boring and I just can’t agree. The campfire scene from Valhalla hits so different after playing Mirage. It almost not retroactively feels like the old Basim is coming out instead of his post Loki personality.
I like that we, the player, are under the impression that he's Odin during that scene. He says his kid was murdered by someone he trusted, so you put two and two together. Plus, he's one of the hidden ones, and they're the good guys, right? RIGHT?
When we find out that he's not the guy we thought he was, our character also finds out that he's not the good guy. I do have to give them credit for that, we knowa lot of things about Norse mythology so we immediately get an idea of what we're dealing with.
I think it's very unfair to compare Roshan to Al-Mualim just because of the third irony of the Creed.
She was right in the end, and didn't want to control him. All of her actions were to help Basim let go of the past that hurt him, so the past wouldn't define him, the same thing Roshan went through. Roshan really loved Basim as a son, she didn't wish to lose him and Basim felt the same, his voice even breaks when he asks her to yield because he wishes her no harm despite everything. All that changes when Basim recovers his memories, Roshan doesn't even look him in the eye in the epilogue and he laughs as she walks off, he's not the hero anymore and Roshan couldn't save him.
I understand where you’re coming from but I think the comparison still fits. Al Mualim also deeply cared for Altair, not unlike Roshan did for Basim. Altair saved Al Mualims life after all in Revelations, and Al Mualim chose to spare him and strip him of his rank rather than kill him for betraying the tenets of the Creed. Altair was his most prized and gifted student. It’s true Roshan did what she thought was best for Basim and I agree that she was right in the end, but how was Basim supposed to trust her when she has intentionally hid the truth from him, and then literally just tried to kill him seconds earlier? Her reasons may not have been as selfish as Al Mualims but the dynamic between Master/Pupil is very similar imo.
I think Roshan is a mix of mentors figures. Bellec in the sense that she’ll do what she thinks is best for the creed even if it means killing her brothers but well intentioned, Al-Mualim for a somewhat secretive deception to lead a disciple in the direction she thought was best without open communication even if her intentions were again supposed to be better, then in the end she’s treated like Altair is again a big connection they seem to want to push with the daughter of no one title and her leaving the creed because of differences with her opinions on Basim to then in her Valhalla segment trying to save the creed after a period of being gone like Altair did with her planting the seed in Jerusalem with that letter apparently.
Basim isn't bad... she was a hypocrite and thay disagree... if you personally agree with one over the other then of course you'll feel like this
Bassim in Mirage kinda reminds me of Jin Sakai and Nihal somewhat reminds me of Yuna. Both Bassim and Jin served with eagerness and loyalty until Nihal and Yuna helped them see the hypocrisy in both the Assassin Brotherhood and the Samurai that both Roshan and Shimura refused to acknowledge because the Brotherhood and Samurai Code is all that Roshan and Shimura knew. That rigid dogmatic way of thinking ended up resulting in both Jin and Bassin embracing a darker more effective path even if that path differed from what they first idolised.
THIS
Basim is my 5th favourite protagonist in the series which is saying something considering how many games there are, for me it goes Ezio, Altair, Edward, Bayek then the Basim
The william miles Valhalla scene alludes to Basim leading he brotherhood in the present day, him wearing a white hoodie and a hidden blade is also quite reminiscent of Desmond.
He does state the creed is very important to him, and that the current assassins don't hold a candle to the ones in the old days.
I just hope ubisoft doesnt mess this up. We need him as the modern day assassin, with an overarching story like Desmond.
The origin story of Basim in Mirage feels a bit like an anti-Alladin story, which is neat.
To me I think it’s interesting to think of it kind of reverse Edward Kenway story. Where he’s more selfless and learns to start serving himself more, where Edward was too selfish wanting more for himself to dedicating himself to serve others yet both start out as rather ambitious characters.
Basim is definitely a hero. He's more dedicated to the brotherhood to were he called them his family. And he can be caring and selfless.
Loki is a anti-villian because he can be caring at times and he does have some love for the brotherhood but he's always known as a trickster and manipulator who seeks revenge on Odin and all those who did him wrong.
Loki doesn't care for the Assassins at all. All Nehal did was hate on the Hidden ones and she is essentially Loki so I don't think he likes them.
@@vengeance1450 My mistake. He just seemed like he did in AC Valhalla. Especially after training Haytham. He seemed like a good mentor to him so I thought he had some type of love and commitment to the brotherhood like Basim did.
@@jaustoncarter8995Ig Loki and Basim kinda merged with either side comming out at different times to different extents. So Basim does care about the Assassines and Haytham but Loki doesn't
In honesty, I really like Basim's character. He's one of the more interesting characters to come out of AC in the past few games. Even the post-Valhalla Basim is kinda hard to classify as a straight villain. I really look forward to seeing where they take him.
Anyone else feel bad for him. It’s such a weird complex with his character, it’s really not Basims fault for what he became but it is
Remember Subject 16's words to Desmond in AC Revelations. "What is a man but the sum of his memories?" The Bleeding Effect Desmond got from prolonged exposure to the Animus is actually an artificially-induced version of the "Sagefication" process that Sages like Basim and Aita's Sages went through. Remember that in AC Revelations, had Desmond not reached a synch nexus with Altair and Ezio, both Altair and Ezio's memories would've coalesced with his own, and would either produced an entirely new person (like what happened with Basim, Bartholomew Roberts, etc, etc), being a mix of Desmond, Altair, and Ezio. Or Desmond would've gone insane from three lifetimes' worth of memories in his brain and offed himself like most of the Subjects before him. Probably the more likely scenario, as he's not a reincarnation of the people whose memories are mixing with his own, unlike the Sages in AC.
P.S. I would really love it if we keep playing as Basim in the modern day segment, and maybe even get some linear stealth missions with him like we did in AC3 with Desmond. Imagine if Basim in the modern day just straight up goes Sam Fisher on enemies, lmao.
I feel like Basim himself is good, but like Loki. Mischievous, but has his time to shine.
I definitely felt like basim was a hero at the beginning of the game, when he was eliminating targets, but by the end at the vault, that changed a little bit like you said in the video.
I'm honestly curious, what would have happened if basim chose not to embrace and accept loki, like how eivor did with Odin at the end of the Valhalla base game. Of course in the update the last chapter from Valhalla that changes as well.
Eivor's "rejection" is more like she is refusing to go back to her old ways as Odin, since her previous actions still weigh heavily on her mind as seen on the vision in Norway. Her memories resurfaced eventually but she didn't become a worst person for it or stopped being herself.
Basim however rejected his new life entirely by fully embracing Loki, he refused the changes he went through and accepted to become the same man who tortured Baldur to death and caused wars. It's like Basim didn't accept his past mistakes like Eivor did. Instead he let the past define who he is, going against everything Roshan taught him
He's anti hero
This
Perfectly said
And that's why I like him. He want revenge for his family and remember.
Like Batman
Reminds me off Black Adam ngl
I really hope they release a DLC. Because when you finished the game you got a empty world. And I’m not finished with Bagdad! I want more gameplay
Thank you so much!! I expected so much more.
I see him as a bit of both, theres in Valhalla when he gets power hungry and wants Eivor and Siguard, but hes also an Assassin who 'Serve the light'
I don’t really see how he was power hungry, it’s not like he wanted to get riches or take over the clan, if he wanted Sigurd to die he could’ve just slit his throat but he kept the fight really between him an Eivor and just used Sigurd to get in Eivor’s head a tactic he somewhat uses in the Golden City novel that I won’t spoil. He only really fights Eivor for Revenge because they’re a sage of Odin who tortured him, imprisoned his son, and in his mind used his trust and manipulated him. Which isn’t that bad in the sense most Assassins get on a path of revenge: Ezio, Connor, Arno, and is basically what caused the founding of the creed because Bayek and Aya revenge path was basically catalyst that caused the formation of the Brotherhood in opposition to the Order of Ancients. Him going after Eivor isn’t anything horrific he should’ve talked to her but he went under a bad assumption that her relationship to Odin was similar to his with Loki that he didn’t realize until he used the animus, which is like saying Aron’s bad for killing that more innocent Templar because he thought he was bad because of incorrect information he got from Germain. Worst thing you could say is maybe what he tricked Layla to free him but he’s still seemingly going to help the Assassins against the Templars who are way more powerful than them today (I’ll be it while searching for his kid which might be bad but we’ll have to wait and see), and lead Layla to a position where she can help save the world from ISU sights putting out a bad magnetic field that his hurting the planet that started after Desmond’s death to shield the world from the Solar flare that they need to figure out how to turn off since it’s no longer needed and now that it’s just causing harm.
Dude... eivor betrayed him as odin in a past life... sigurd betrayed his son as tyr in a past life and still basim is in conflict as to who if anyone should be "punished" until the very end of the game...
Not power hungry at all.
In truth basim in valhalla isn't even sure if tyr or odin are actually to blame as until mirage it was revenge for his son not himself.
I think that once Basim accepted Loki's memories and personality, he BECAME Loki. If he behaves like the previous being and keeps their memories, while the other being doesn't exist in any other way, what's to stop him from just calling himself that being, right. To me Basim is Loki and Loki is Basim and the only difference between them were the memories. I mean, Loki is literally in Basim's genetic code.
Either way the question is whether Loki is considered a villain or a hero in the long term beyond this game. We know he is a schemer who betrayed Odin and helped bring war upon Asgard, all that to hide his son in there. And we know at the same time that it wasn't personal towards Odin and that he cherished him as a brother and a mentor. But Odin made it personal when he seeked out Fenrir and attempted to straight up kill him due to his paranoia and hatred towards outsiders. Loki wanted vengeance ever since, while at the same time he believed in justice and freedom like an assassin would. It is kinda part of his nature. He could have chosen differently once he started to remember, but he stayed with the order and kept fullfilling its will. He also still had respect for the other mentor besides Roshan, a man who was seemingly more resonable and respectful towards Basim and his insecurities. Even tho he mocked his "mentor" title.
I really think that Loki will be an anti-hero in long term. And this was his origin.
Mirage reminds me of AC2 in a way. You start as a young man and evolve into a well trained assassin. It’s similar to Ezio’s story in ac2. The voice changing also helps.
He is a hero. There are no "second beings inside sages heads" just a man who remembered who he really was, and still after all the suffering, he was loyal to the assassins. That is more than can be said for most other sages, including eivor.
Yes thank you! idk why ppl think he’s in the grey. Basim is a reflection of what being to gullible and trusty can do to a person in real life, and through all the pain and betrayal still stuck with the brotherhood. Basim grew up. He still cares for ppl, but he learned how to be more selfish in taking care of himself through finding himself and now the mental illness dreams happen no more. The identity crisis no more. He had a higher calling and was more knowledgeable than any human around him yet those who saw him saw him no more than a man. He knew what he was. A Hero.
@@ETEBrimy basim is like Connor and Jacob. All three of these protagonists are misrepresented all the time. It is so frustrating.
STFU. Basim is not a hero. Neither is Hytham. Both were wrecked by Vikings in different respective scenarios.
If it wasn't for Eivor
(THE ACTUAL HERO), the Order of Ancients would still have a sizable hold over Northwestern Europe.
How about you just don't talk? Better yet, piss off back to your stag bullshit.
THO tells me you were blocked from his channel for getting crazy with others. Your disrespect is unreal, as are you.
@@DarkoRavens you hate me, yet, I don't even know who you are. That tells me that you are unstable and have made some warped assumptions about me for whatever reason. Chill our.
I know I’m a year late to the party but I just wanted to say that I love Basim and he has so much potential as a character, I would’ve loved to see him in more historical settings or maybe hearing him recount the memories of a past life, idk I just hope they keep basim around for a while and expand on his story
Yea I just finished mirage and I fucks with Basim his story interesting
Let's cut to the chase
Mirage's Basim was a good guy
Valhalla's basim was seeking revenge
And odin is the villain
Like always
I wish we got to see some modern day stuff with basim, I wanna know his intentions and everything since he’s alive and with William and the other assassins
I agree! It was a pretty ominous feeling at the end of the game there, leaving you playing Basim in modern-day times and Rebecca & Sean starting to feel suspicious because Layla’s suddenly nowhere to be found. It felt like something bad was about to happen and I wanted to see it, dammit. 😝
What I really loved about Basim’s story is that I now understand that in Modern Day, his motivations are still aligned with the Assassin’s. He’s still Basim the Hidden One, now Basim-Loki the Assassin. I think he’s a hero, I think he brings more to the Assassin’s that will only aid them in taking down then Templars
He's certainly helping the Assassins for now. And he will be useful. But I believe he will only help as long as it benefits him. He's not trustworthy and not predictable. Not for now at least
@@m.r4841 well, what we see in Mirage and Valhalla is Basim is very very committed to the creed. And that doesn’t change with Loki’s memories. I think if anything, he’s a pivotal member who has much more knowledge of artifacts and of the Templars.
@@Quipen248 He was committed with the Creed in Mirage. But we don't see that in Valhalla. He betrays the Brotherhood when he wants to accomplish his personal goals. It's clear that his agenda is above the brotherhood. He's a selfish opportunist.
@@m.r4841 I don’t think “betrayed” the brotherhood, he did have personal goals yes. However those personal goals aligned with the brotherhood’s to take back the English Isles. Besides, in Mirage we see that Rahan sides with Basim’s desire to embrace what he is.
I hope they don't just ditch the current modern day plot with Infinity. Basim/Loki being there makes it infinitely more interesting for me after finishing Mirage and knowing who he is and what he does in Valhalla.
I wanna see what happens. Like, he is part of the brotherhood and honors that, as far as we know. But he has his very personal motives he'll probably keep following.
That could actually be a modern day plot I would strongly care about.
He's like haytham kenway in some ways but if he went the assassin path instead of the Templar path i would love to see an interaction between basim and haytham i feel like they would agree on alot of things but also disagree on other things to but ultimately work together maybe
Hero at the start, villain at the end. In my opinion.
Loki is not a villain in AC
@@reality_is_sin Okay
@@reality_is_sinhis intentions aren’t bad because he just wants revenge but that revenge leads him to trying to kill another one of the protagonists, making him seem evil
He’s not a villain he’s hunting down the man who killed his family it’s like calling ezio a villain for killing the man responsible that killed his family
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Depends on how you see him. The only reason he goes down the path is because he wants to get revenge for his torture
He doesn't want to get revenge for his torture, that's the whole point of him "liberating" the jinni
The reason why is probably because he at least owns up to Baldur's death. But he still wants payback for Fenrir's imprisonment
He’s the hero of his own story
*Basim Ibn Is’Haq* means *”One Who Smiles”* and by his first glimpse as a apprentice, I most likely assume that the *Hidden Ones* are the bad guys and the *Order of Ancients* are the good guys.
Edit: Maybe in the near releases they will reveal this.
The series will *”probably”* go into an recycle.
A repeat. AC1 through whenever AC ends back to AC1 ending up with Altaïr Ibn La Ahad, his untapped memories.
The one who smiles is probably a play on Loki being a trickster. His smile is a deception, making you think he’s someone he is not.
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Basim is a loki variant from a branched timeline
I starting to believe that Basim was the reason that the order of the Ancients was on its last legs during assassin creed Valhalla, and that his imprisonment in the simulation gave King Alfred the change he needed to give birth to the Templar order.
I saw there's gonna be new content soon to the game don't know what it is but I'm excited
Loki is a Anti Hero - Basim is a Hero
Basim is a complicated character, and I like this complexity.
It's regretful that in mirage he stays the justice-bringer and humble servant without complaints for most of the time. If the story could be more dramatic with more ups and downs and show more about how Basim struggle innerly, it would be better.
I would love to see either a DLC or another standalone game covering more of Basims story until the events of Valhalla. Maybe even a game where we play as basim thorough the events of Valhalla. Would love that.
I was thinking the samething, that we could end the game where he meets with Sigurd. And a dlc where he meets with William Miles in person and his views on the Assassin's now and the 21 century
It seems like they're gonna use Basim for the modern day story for the next couple of games. I honestly like his character so I'll watch youtube videos for the next 3 AC games till we get an actual return to roots.
Started Valhalla again right after mirage (THEY BOTH NEED NG+) i remember when I first played I was interpreting basims interest in eivor as the hidden ones wanting to establish a bureau in the north and basim had heard of eivor’s skill through Sigurd. Now I see every detail and let me tell you so far optimistic street thief basim is dead and buried by the time he has grey hair
I didn’t really understand the ending of AC Mirage but this really helped. You can’t help but sympathize with Basim especially after finding out Nehal wasn’t even really there
Basim's self-service really showed through for the first time in the House of Wisdom after he was ambushed and threatened to kill the man who led him there. We've seen these moments of anger in other characters before, but what sets him apart is that he always felt a sense of duty and justice, yet these more selfish and evil moments still spill out on occasion, and threatening to kill the assistant who led led him into an ambush was purely from rage and intent. There was no intimidation tactic, it was genuine rage, which made it all the more intimidating for the assassistant.
I dont believe revenge was ever Basim's goal until Nur laid dying in front of him. Until then, his purpouse was to bring justice for the people of Baghdad and find the truth he sought. In Alamut, his revenge was short lived, killing a few men before immediately turning his attention back to the temple and finding answers.
Then, after accepting Loki, it felt as if he was still going to be himself. More wary of the Hidden Ones after their highest members tried to lie to him and control him, but still a Hidden One with the same goals. Then, the only one left that he could trust, scarred his face and left him all alone. That was the moment Basim died, and Loki's agenda took the front stage. Basim was still able to seeve the Hidden Ones, and even train Hytham years later, but Loki's revenge on Odin was what mattered most.
And now? Well, what would you do if the rest of your species tried to leave you for dead while they moved on? Thriving in chaos, knowing that the world is on the edge of destruction again, how would you react?
I cant wait to see more of modern day Basim, especially knowing that the Assassins know what he truly is.
Great video.
i think Basim is sort of a mix of hero and villain.
But maybe Loki has fully taken over Basim in valhalla so maybe a villain in valhalla.
Far as I believe developer interviews have asserted, the sages do not have split personalities. The conversations they have with their isu selves is just a visual representation of their mental conflicts, trying to make sense of having memories of two different lifetimes, and the outcome diverges in whether or not they accept those personality traits and motivations that have been buried by time. In the end it's honestly much like what the bleeding effect does to you when it gets so bad that your mental partitions break down and you start thinking like the other person seamlessly, except the memories actually are yours, or at the very least you were never anyone else before acquiring them; you were just born again with partial amnesia that fades as your brain matures.
Basim is Loki, but he denied it strongly in his early life, or perhaps just failed to come to terms with it, and his mind hallucinated the thought patterns of his old self as a separate person who doesn't really exist. But in the end he couldn't bare to give up what used to matter to him(Loki) either, unlike Eivor who made sense of her past but rejected Odin's sense of values. The outcome is a Basim who thinks distinctly like Loki did, and inherits his priorities and motivations, as far as the desire to reunite his family and bring vengeance upon Odin. But he still has the memories of growing up on the streets as Basim and training as a Hidden One, and all the changes to his personality and beliefs that would entail. When he tells William that he cherishes their creed, I truly do not believe he is lying, but he also cherishes other things too, the things the original Loki did.
He ain’t being controlled he merged with his other half
A wise dragon once asked, "What is better: to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
I've since come to believe "being born good" is better, actually changed my mind over time, but I can actually see it both ways
I’m gonna divide it up into what I consider the differences - Street thief/Hidden One Basim: ‘young, broken, desperate to do good’ to quote Roshan, hybrid Basim - accepting memories and embraces Loki/Jinni, and Valhalla Basim or “Loki”. I feel Basim goes through yet another change from the end of Mirage to Valhalla going full into his Isu identity while preserving core Basim values - explaining how he goes over the edge to kill Eivor
I believe he was in the middle leaning towards hero but he by far is one of my favorite characters in the series after playing mirage due to the amount of depth his character has and how his story plays out embracing Loki I loved ac mirage
Being the anti-hero is my take cause that's literally Loki as a character if you think about it
i never really considered him a villain or a hero, he's simply a guy who does what he believes is right from his prespective and of course not ruining things or seeking control, like the way we always thought the assassins are right and the templars are wrong until we saw events from haytahm's and shay's prespective. the complexity of his character makes him very unique and for me the perfect assasin, yes some things should stay the way they are but just what if or why we are doing what we are doing is it really for this purpose or something much more.
Basim was a great character, so much fun to play as
i would say basim is a chaotic good character, or anti hero, even in valhalla up until the ending. roshan is the real villain in mirage. not because she was entirely evil, but because she turned him away from the right path by being dishonest and keeping things from him.
I see him as an anti hero, but I feel he’s more like the hero in my opinion
One interesting dot I connected is Basim being trapped in the simulation after Valhalla is an example of the “poetry” the reincarnations experience. Trapped as an Isu, and then once again as a human.
Basim is definitely one of my bew favorite characters in this series. No questions asked. Also, to the cultured few
Play with the Arabic dub. That is where thw true performances were, ugh. ❤️
There's an Arabic dub?
@@samf.s.7731 yes! It is in the settings!
I kind of hated him in valhalla in a good way, i thought he was the villain but now im more on his side even if i dont like his loki personality, his idealistic young version was really good, he was a great character and that also was a surprise for me.
This really reminded me of the movie LEO ( iykyk)
Good video. First analysis that really helped me get what the story was saying
Content has been great! Thanks for the video's these past few weeks.
Basim is more of an Anti-hero, i would say. Regardless though, Basim is a flat out beast in Mirage and Valhalla.
Love your video, and I haven't finished it, but I can't wait to finish it
Personally I love Basim and see him righteous, defending the brotherhood and avenging his family. It's just a more complicated form of Ezio. Odin didn't care about anything but his fear of demise to Ragnarök. All Basim ever wanted was to find his true calling and reunite with his family.
The true answer is we really don't know. He's is still alive, his story isn't over, and his true motives are still unknown. Do we even know his connection to Aletheia yet??
"Vengeance is not our way"
Bro, that's literally the driving force behind all assassins 😆
I think he is my favourite protagonist!
Basim is like Bayek, he just want to avenge his son.
Bayek truly wants to help others where Loki has always been highly egotistical
Bayek hunted down the Order of the Ancients because they killed his son.
Basim hunted down Eivor because he has parasitic memories of Loki that have brainwashed him into believing that Eivor killed his dog.
They are not the same.
Definition of A morally Gerry character. He does/did too much to be considered bad but then did too much scheming/evil things to be considered bad. I think he walks that fine line and I do believe he will show up in more entries, just not sure which one.
Just finished the game so here are some of my conclusion.
I feel Basim is weak, unlike Eivor who managed to rejects her/his incarnate.
Basim, due to his circumstances, just gave in to his jinni (accepting his incarnate) and thus allowing the Trickster Loki in. Also interesting fact is Jins can also be a Syaitan (Satan) which lo and behold also deceives human, a trickster you might say.
Also I dont know why people keep saying Basim is still Basim after accepting Loki. I dont really feel the same way if even the eagle cannot recognise Basim and scratched his face.
Also note that while Basim were mindlessly trying to kill Eivor and Sigurd, he's talking about fenrir as if He experienced it first hand thus another reason why He is now Loki, no longer Basim.
So.. is he a hero... Definitely not. Is he a villain... yes as he is still much obsessed to bring back his dead family back using whatever he can gain from Eivor's memories as stated from Valhalla's ending. He is definitely an infestation within the hidden ones. And i hate that creators decided that Loki still lives and not Eivor/Alexios/Kassandra or even Layla
I had played some Valhalla when it first released and didn’t like it that much. So I had forgot major parts of the story (including Basim) so I went into mirage knowing nothing. This ending had really confused me so I watched a few videos and learned all about how basin was in Valhalla and how he was the reincarnation of Loki. This is actually really cool how they made a game about the antagonist from a previous game but I had really grown to like Basim since it was kinda sad for me to see him become i guess you could say evil. I think now I have to get back into Valhalla
He was a hero until the end and basically became loki again since he is the reincarnated version of him, getting those memories back from the past made him hungry for revenge which was shown in Valhalla
A lot of protagonist have appeared in other games....
Connor and Eveline in AC liberation HD
Adawale in Rogue
The girl from chronicles china is in embers
Edward Kenway is in a vision in AC Odyssey
There's more too, if you watch a timeline video it fleshes it all out
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*Technically* Kassandra appeared in Valhalla too. Just very briefly.
shut the hell up
I'd love to see a small DLC/update where we play key moments in Valhalla from Basim's perspective.
I mean if someone told me that all the answers to my soul crushing identity chrisis were just chilling underneath my base of operations and was expected to just ignore it forever, I'd be a little annoyed too
i felt really betrayed by basim at the end of valhalla because he was the only assassin really, but thanks to mirage i like him now i enjoyed playing as basim more than bayek for example and i enjoyed that you had to assasinate more it felt more like a assassin
You drank the Kool-Aid.
So what’s next for the franchise? Is Basim going to be the main character going forward? I think that’s a very cool concept having an assassin from the past now be our present day protagonist. Even though Valhalla wasn’t the best game, I really liked where it sent the story and I’m really intrigued to see where it goes after mirage 🎉
It's never happened before, right? I think it's the first time.
the scene with Enkidu is amazing
The era of Altair, Ezio and Desmond is a forgotten art at Ubisoft.
Basim isn't a hero or villain, he is just basim, just looking for his child and seeking the vengeance to the people who hurt his family
Saying Basim is a bad guy is like saying Bayek or Arno are bad people. All want revenge for injustice for how they were treated and what was taken from them. Basim is just finally acting for himself like Arno did using the creed for resources to do his own personal bidding except Basim does a better job at doing it while doing what’s necessary for the Creed at the same time. Basim was a super good guy, and only even tried to kill when necessary you here in his dialogue after kills saying like there wasn’t another way and stuff like that not just endlessly killing to achieve his means. Plus he has pretty good reason that I think any other protagonist would’ve tried to fight Eivor if they felt they were manipulated and controlled by them and then tortured and your kids taken from you as prisoners because of some possible future. Basim should have talked to Eivor but didn’t know that Odin’s consciousness was appearing different to them than him and didn’t realize the difference in their situations until he got in the animus and experienced her memories. He could have just killed basically her brother in front of her if he wanted to make her suffer but kept it between them. He was a pure hero who just learned to look out for themselves at the same time while still doing good serving the creed, where he might be less selfless than he was but nowhere near bad, I think Antihero what you said is fair. The only thing that might make him bad is what might potentially happen in modern day searching for his kids if that puts more harm to the world than good and if he sees this prioritizing the world or his loved ones, but so far I wouldn’t say he’s really bad at all. Roshan definitely was in the wrong for trying to lie and control and threaten him withholding things that directly affect him without treating him like an adult and explaining the situation to him and where she’s coming from even though her intentions were good Basim at least earned respect enough for that being on the cusp of being ranked Master even though he was just ranked high level Assassin at the time with all he’s done for the creed. Kind of an Anakin moment for Basim sure, but he also got acceptance basically to go into the Vault after saving Alamut by the other Master and was very clear in his intentions where he showed still having respect for the brotherhood that at that point. Where with that permission basically and didn’t go behind the Assassins back in Mirage even where he didn’t really do anything wrong and Roshan just didn’t agree with it even though the action at that point was in no way betraying the brotherhood and she was basically pulling a Bellec at that point because the person who gave Basim permission was even her superior it seemed. But Basim still chose to not kill her.
Arno was a shit character. Bayek hunted the men who killed his son, and accidentally started an order of Assassins along the way.
at this point master assassin should be an assassin in the next game 😎
The art of cinema , story telling & script writing is bigger then just “Good Vs Evil” 🤷🏾♂️
Expand your mind bigger people because the grey areas are at a lot larger then how you see it in the beginning.
Life is bigger then just “Good & Bad Guys” so much more goes into it ✅.
I hope that basim gets another chance to be seen as a protagonist. Especially like post him embracing Loki. It’d be cool if it acted as a split personality disorder as opposed to just basim being selfish. Like maybe in the modern day they could show the two personalities talking with one another, like basim throughout mirage talks to himself often and barely any other series lead does that.
It would be hilarious if basim and eivor got like stuck in a dream sequence and they turn to their left and see loki and odin fist fighting basim pre valhalla just asks eivor what the hell happened where are we and why are these two fighting and who are you and eivor is just like buddy we got a lot to catch up on
This is the best AC game ive played in a long long time and I hope shadows takes alot from it
Bussim, he's Bussim now. All about Bussing and being Bussed upon.
he wanted revenge for odin imprisoning him and his children. and also being tortured while being imprisoned(mirage shed light on this showing him being tortured). I think in Valhalla dawn of ragnarok odin mentioned/ bragged about imprisoning Loki for a 1000 years. Loki killed odins son as revenge but that didn’t satisfy his thirst for vengeance. so I can’t just say basim/Loki is a villain. More like an anti hero. a father seeking vengeance for him and his children being wrongfully imprisoned by someone mostly all of the isu deemed as “the mad one” and got consumed by his own rage. when basim/loki fought eivor/odin that was almost 80000 years after the events that took place in ragnarok. that’s a lot of pent up trauma, frustration and anger.
Basim and other Sages are technically biological versions of the Bleeding Effect. The Bleeding Effect is mostly artificial because it is when the memories and the personality of the person you experience in Animus coincide with your own. This has the effect of making the person believe they are the same person whose memories they experienced. Regarding Basim, he remembers Loki's memories and the steps he needs to take to get to Yggdrasil via the Isu calculations Aletheia did. Therefore, most of what Basim does in Valhalla is pretty much him following the calculations Loki and Aletheia studied (Giving Eivor Hidden Blade, helping Sigurd remember he was Tyr, and tracking Evior and Sigurd to Yggdrasil).
Pretty sure he's a hero, he was just angry at Odin because Loki.
It’s weird that the Isu consciousnesses operate differently in Eivor and Basim like Loki is personified into Nehal while Odin remains himself within Eivor and I wonder why they have different rules like Odin can attack Eivor and retain his physical form and identity but Loki couldn’t?
honestly I would like to see more of Basim. I get a little tired of constantly changing main characters. Keep the same guy for one more game
Basim is a good guy we can see this in Valhalla we know for a fact that Basim is very devoted and cares for the brotherhood though he did break one rule that is going back to his past despite pledging that he’s going to be reborn as a hidden one and forget who Basim is. We also see him respect the oath of the brotherhood to not spill innocent blood we see him honour this oath since he never deliberately kills eivor the second he sees him despite knowing eivor is Odin since Basim knows that “eivor” is innocent and that his main target is “Odin” and not eivor he literally waited and purposely tried waking up Odin in eivor body and at that moment when Odin woke up in eivor body that was when Basim tried killing eivor
I mean if we think about Loki represents in all fictional stories whether he’s used in the Marvel universe or Norse mythology, he’s always a character that works in his own best interest. This means sometimes he will make decisions that make him look like a villain and others as a hero. At the end it’s all to benefit his own gain. I think the word “villain” is all relative to the perspective of what the story is portraying. In this series assassins are painted as the good guys while templars are painted as the villains. We have only seen basim work on the side of hero’s based on the premise of this story so for now we can conclude that he is a hero. Technically eivor was a part of the Vikings so you can make an argument that basim trying to fight eivor is somewhat a side plot and doesn’t affect the main premise of what the game is about. Considering we are gonna use him going forward I want to lean on the side of saying he’s a hero. It’s clear that he will help Layla at some point.
Wait...If there are no spirits in assassin's creed, how can basim be loki's reincarnation? Reincarnation is literally the process of a spirit being re incarnated into a new body 47 days after it's departure from it's previous one.
Can someone explain how Basim turning on Borevor & Sigurd = betraying the Assassins?
It’s definitely not turning on the Assassins, but Eivor was helping fight the order of Ancients which she would probably been seen as a benefit to the brotherhood which I guess could be seen as compromising the brotherhood by trying to take out an asset for personal reasons without any reason to suspect they might turn on the hidden ones I think could be an understandable justification to that. Because also by burning that bridge as a representative of the Hidden ones could’ve lead to them being in conflict with the Raven Clan and their allies if by chance he killed Eivor and word got out and he was still a Master Hidden One and not kicked out of the brotherhood could have been possibly been very bad for the hidden ones potentially.
I hope to see him become a bad man for the right reasons you know? Keeping that mischief apart of him, and also keeping him as a protagonist like maybe how Desmond learned about the Creed Basim might do the same to catch up, somehow😅
After mirage I would love another game like it but I cant see how Ubisoft will pull it off after the Basim character is almost written entirely into a corner and I cant imagine theyll want a different character in a similar setting either unless they use Basims memories to help the modern day Basim find a way to find his children
How great could have been if they released first mirage and then valhalla but in valhalla still being basim. Still working with eivor and sigurd gaining the kingdoms to have the trust of eivor and plotting your revenge.
I think basim is perfectly explained by saying he is like red hood from batman. A tortured soul who is out for vengeance and in doing so separated himself from his friends and also his morals. Eivor, odin, sigurd, tyr, hytham, and hidden ones represent his family, just as batmanandthe batfamily do to jason todd. I think it's easy to see why it's a good comparison. Obviously they aren't the same by any means, but the similarities are there.
He's definitely the hero of this game, but he's only just begun his journey.
Basim at the very end of Valhalla is more of an anti-hero since he eventually forgave Eivor and simply wants to use her wisdom to find his family.