I totally agree. Rob should be thanking Jay, the band sounded pretty mediocre before Jay got in the band and started smashing out all those killer riffs the put the band on the map.
La Sexorcito was a perfect storm at a special place in time. Nothing he has done since La Sexorcito has even remotely compared to this masterpiece of metal madness. There are very few albums I can listen to all the way through - but this is one of them. It wouldn’t matter if they reunite or not, the time has past - the magic is gone. But at least we can still listen to what will always be an example of the perfect music that came out of the 90’s.
You can hear the slight shift towards the secorcisto sound on their go's of thunder EP. Jay's first recording with them. You can totally hear them get tighter and more precise with Jay's playing. There are some really great riffs on make them die slowly. But the weird low-gain, echo half asked distortion on the guitar makes that album sound like shit. But it's actually heavy.
Also agree. Rob zombie blows, White Zombie rocked. I've seen them both live, and White zombie was great, I left halfway throu Rob zombie (long concert day, not worth staying). Fun moment, Sean Ysuelt played her bass in her bra and short shorts...AZ Compton Terrace, 1995-6-ish. I was tripping, and was pressed against the railing by the stage falling in love!
@@rockeyepunkcovers4921 he has some excellent solo efforts like Hellbilly Deluxe. I wouldn’t discount him like that just because of albums like Hellbilly Deluxe 2
I have nothing but love for White Zombie , I remember thunder kiss and I was hooked , it was music you didn't want your parents to catch you with ,it was outlaw it felt dangerous...good times
@@vampirascoffin870 nah, she was right, there's no reason to expose young kids to sexual themes. I wouldn't let my wife play (most) hip hop around our daughter for the same reason.
My buddy is cousins with Rob. He's been on the road with him now and then. Tells me it's fun. Rob listened to my bands demo.. Wrote us a nice email, he liked it and encouraged us to keep it up and send him anything else we had... The band soon later broke up. Oh well. That's Rock and Roll. Slidehammer.... American Hero.
I’m a little saddened that Ivan got no mention. I got to see WZ twice in the early 90’s on a club tour. The first time I was waiting for someone who didn’t show, but was in during soundcheck and was blown away by the samples being played. At that time it may have been the first time I’d ever heard anything like it. The band was sitting around and I remember getting to sample some of the catering available. The drummer, Ivan, walked up to me and started a conversation. Then asked me to play some video games and chat. It was so awesome to hang out, I met musicians before but this guy was one of the nicest guys. He encouraged me to seek out their earlier albums (this was Sexorcisto era) and I did. The second show I saw we must’ve talked for hours. I didn’t really talk to the rest of the band but he got them all to sign my CD. He was so excited because their next trip back they were going to open in a bigger venue and I was going to be there. Unfortunately there wasn’t a third meet up. My parents split and a friend reported he wasn’t in the band anymore. I don’t to this day know what really happened, I was told it was drugs. I’m grateful for the times I did meet him though as he seemed super smart and respectful 😊
@@PoorMansInvesting I went to go see them on the Gargantuan tour, went to get the tickets and the person in front of me had bought the last ones. I even offered double the face value for them. I regret not getting to see Zombie/Pantera live to this day!
They're both doing their own thing now and I don't think either of them is really interested in getting back in the limelight. If they wanted to do it they would but I don't see it happening.
My guess is that their unique musical sound flowed the best with Rob Cummings' voice so much that finding another vocalist to match their style was impossible.
Massively underrated band. One of my childhood favorites, still one of my favorites. La Sexorcisto is one of the best metal albums ever made, it's criminally underappreciated, it's way heavier than any of the boring 80's hair bands that straggled through.
The most recent Rob Zombie album is probably the closest he has come to doing more White Zombie type stuff. I just love the drums on La Sexorcisto. That dude killed it. 🎃
@@rtf8056 that makes sense, some interview that J did he said basically they all went and saw Slayer live and that’s when they decided to change their sound. You can hear it on those walk downs in the riffs. I love that album.
Rob´s birth name is actually Robert Bartleh Cummings, he used the stage name Rob Straker in the early White Zombie days, then changed it to Rob Zombie. Someone who frequently shits on actual music jurnalists, should at least check on basic stuff like birth names.
I came here to say this. I agree completely. I really have to question the legitimacy of a channel like this which can’t do simple fact checking. A visit to Wikipedia would confirm his birth name is not Rob Straker. In 1996 he changed his name legally to Rob Zombie (no info whether he kept a middle name). Also, unrelated to this video, his younger brother Michael is Spider One of Powerman 5000.
Saw White Zombie open up for Danzig in Seattle at the Moore Theatre...probably in 1993. I'd never heard of them but was blown away by their performance. The friend I went with and I still talk about watching them to this day. They were crazy good! Tough for Danzig to follow them on stage I bet. Zombie blew them away!
I saw them w danzig in detroit at harpos. it was last night of them together EERIE and a roadie put mop heads on and came out to WZ encore and hit them w/ pies n shave cream
Yeah, but Danzig was the head of a legendary band still sounding great. Zombie was a cheap Jorgensen knock-off who's so-called music belongs in music of the 90s bargain bins.
I saw them open for Anthrax on that tour in Cleveland. I don’t remember Voivod being on the bill though. I thought they blew anthrax off the stage. I saw them several times after that but that show was probably my favorite
I can remember getting a free White Zombie cassette tape outside the Elks Lodge in Queens, NYC after ECW wrestling night. Must've been like 97. What an awesome memory.
La Sexorsisto is my favorite album. I love how heavy Astro Creep is, but La Sexo has so much in it. I LOVE the drums, the groove, the guitar riffs and bass. Rob's voice is great too. I like his more aggressive voice a lot more than his more whinier voice.
@@tehf00n I went to louder than life '22 to see Kiss and Alice Cooper. Rob Zombie was also there that day and I didn't expect much but that dude was amazing. I was blown by the vocals to the point where I didn't know if it was a lip sync or not 💀
I was lucky enough when a college town near me had a house of students win the MTV contest and I got to see them play there and met Rob and Sean -- Went on to see them play at a stadium show, man what a show! -- One of the loudest bands I have ever heard live. The show itself was so unique.
So glad I caught that tour with Pantera (and I wanna say it was an Aragon Brawlroom show too). I like the solo stuff but White Zombie was special. Still searching for a nice J sig model Iceman.
Maybe Rob should’ve “stared at his feet” a bit more. There’s not a single WZ show where he wasn’t completely out of breath before the first song was over.
He would also bitch about the weather like ALOT. Especially if it was a hot day. There is a set where he is like “damn it’s so hot. Let’s get this over with” Not to mention the AC blowing on him and the crowd just as hot. I’m like shut up and sing dude
Buzz Osbourne from the Melvins said that while they were touring with him, security actually made the Melvins stop rehearsing because it was disturbing Rob's dinner! How's that for pretentious?🤣
White Zombie and The Toadies was my first concert. I was probably 5th grade and I thought it was such an awesome show. I remember going to the baseball card shop in my town and buying both of their CDs used. I had to hide them from my mom because I know she wouldn't like the cover art and song titles. Still amazes me how much of an impact they made with only two major releases. Kind of sucks they hung it up so soon. Unfortunately I never got into Rob's solo stuff. I don't think it was bad necessarily just not White Zombie good.
La sexorcisto was their pinnacle, no techno metal trash, just solid funk metal. One of the few albums from my childhood that still in my car today. I remember Rob Zombie in the background of Headbangers ball painting the set pieces. 🤘
“Techno metal trash”…obviously you were never into the Wax Trax catalog, which is a shame. A lot of early WZ came out of that sort of industrial metal. They even had KMFDM remixes ffs
I first heard White Zombie in the snowboarding video Riders On The Storm in late 1992, which had 3 of their songs on it. They quickly became one of my favorite bands, even though I couldn't actually find the album anywhere or anything else about them. 13 year old me learned how to play guitar to those riffs, just from the crap VHS copy of the snowboarding video. I finally actually found the La Sexorcisto album the following summer. Then they started showing up on my favorite TV show, Beavis and Butt-head, and then on Headbanger's Ball. I was astonished that this band was now getting airplay on MTV. The 1995 album was a pretty big let down for me, as they started turning more electronic and less metal riff oriented. Never got to see them live.
I remember seeing them for the first time in Sacramento at the Convention Center about 93 or 94. Friend told me to wear my heavy boots and lets go see a show. First time hearing them, totally worth it. They were just different than all the other stuff out at the time so it was refreshing and exciting. Gotta admit that Super Sexy Swinging Sounds is my favorite release of theirs though.
My first concert was White Zombie and Pantera at Hampton Collesium in Virginia. I rode in the covered bed of a truck for over 100 miles south on I95. I was about 13 years old. That was the night I learned what a mosh pit really was. Lol
In a Rolling Stone interview with Cortney Love, she mentioned two bands she was listening to, that I never heard of: Helmet and White Zombie. I bought ‘La Sexocisto’ the next, without knowing what type of music it was. It sounded mostly like heavy metal, which I am not a fan of. However, I was a big fan of this record. Such a great record. Rob going techno is where he lost me.
Dude that’s awesome Helmet is also amazing. Courtney could be awful but she was also cool af at times too. Like watch the Kurt Cobain-Nardwuar interview
The prebroadcast footage of the 95 MTV VMA performance I have on my channel got a TON of views after you posted this, whatever it did to the algorythnm, THANK YOU! (Awesome video too, BTW, long time viewer from the GNR video days)
I was such a giant White Zombie fan and I can honestly say I have never cared for a single song the Rob released as a solo act. Not for lack of trying either. His movies are, a thing that exist - don't love them don't hate them. I do know that Devil Music Vol 1: LA Sexorcisto was one of the best god damn metal records ever written and definitely in the tippy top of its era/genre. Gonna go listen to that shit now matter of fact.
When White Zombie came to our town in the 90s church groups protested and threatened to bomb the theater. MTV covered it and it was a fairly big story. It was Viking Hall in Bristol Va in the early 90s. That’d make a cool video and story for you to do a video on.
When I was 16, my dad and I were installing a cd player in my car. When it came time to test the cd player, he went sifting through my cd's and found my La Sexorcisto cd. He promptly lectured me about devil worship and took the cd. Then he popped in an Ozzy Osbourne cd and tuned the player.....30 years later its still a head scratcher.
Beavis and butthead got me into white zombie and all other varieties of heavy metal when I was a kid. I remember watching their music video commentary of welcome to planet MF and loving and discovering white zombie for the first time. This is why the fans like myself of BnB need the king turd collection more than that crappy censored mike judge collection. 😂
I discovered so many bands on BnB. Monster Magnet, Quicksand, , Nudeswirl, Entombed, Kyuss, Morbid Angel, etc. In some ways it was a better resource than Alternative Nation or Headbanger's Ball
Saw Rob in August with a 15 minute version of ThunderKiss 65 which included a full version of Blitzkrieg Bop Mf can still move given he's in his mid 50s
@@anthonymangia8890 he’s apparently a vegan health nut who was never really part of the drug scene. Dude just looks like he woke up in a dumpster after a 3-month meth binge.
Man Astro Creep was one of the best albums that came out of that era. I think it’s the best example of what Rob was trying to achieve, musically and artistically. He’ll always be one of my fave artists, although I’m not a huge fan of his later stuff outside of WZ.
@@kingcarrot6355 I’ve been hearing that since the 90s. I like Ministry too, but honestly Astro Creep doesn’t sound anything like Ministry. They just happen to look exactly like each other ha. Also, nothing wrong with sounding a little more commercial. Even Rob has never denied wanting to “sell out.”
@@zombieparrot2606 I like White Zombie as well, don't get me wrong. But I don't consider Rob to be original in any sense - They way he promoted himself on Headbangers Ball was beyond cringe
I respect your opinions regarding white zombie, but i really dont think that rob fell off after the band broke up, matter of fact he released some of his best songs in his solo carreer
I’m fine with bands staring at their feet the whole time as long as they sound good. I’d much rather that than a lead singer bouncing all over the stage out of breath trying to sing the lyrics
Caught them in late late 80s as openers for Milwaukee's Die Kreuzen , i think they were touring for Make Them Die Slowly. (Stache's, Columbus Ohio). Dug it, but couldn't grasp where they were headed till i heard Love Razor (G.O.T. Ep pre La Sexorcisto). That did it for me. Glad i stumbled onto this video. Brought back memories.
I didnt have mtv as a kid, i heard black sunshine in the radio and i was hooked. Ive bought astro creep 2000 at least 5x because i had worn it out. Really wish they get back together and tour, but band dosnt have any relationship with rob after a recent interiew with with band celebrating 30 year anniversary of el sexocisto.
Rob says he hates anything the critics like. Critics can say vice versa about his film career as well 50% The Munsters (2022) 58% 3 From Hell (2019) 47% 31 (2016) 46% The Lords of Salem (2012) 40% The Haunted World of El Superbeasto (2009) 23% Halloween II (2009) 27% Halloween (2007) 55% The Devil's Rejects (2005) 20% House of 1000 Corpses (2003)
Man White Zombie was amazing for 2 albums. It kills me they broke up, Rob Zombies solo stuff just isn't as good, to me. At least they gave us those 2 great albums.
@@-drakrats- LMAO in what world was ANY of there stuff commercial? Just because it became popular doesn't mean they chased any trends or did what was guaranteed to be a success commercially. that is the most bullshit revisionism i've heard in a while. Get your elitist head out of your ass
@@TroublesomeOwl revisionism? I'm basing it on what they sounded like when they came out. As for commercial, don't you remember their stuff being on computer games etc? Fuck all to do with anything other than how they sounded. First two albums good, la Sexorcisto and beyond not that great. Noone ever said they chased trends etc...seems you don't understand commercialisation of sound.
Love White Zombie. Also, RZ solo. Now, I understand Rob's point about "no stage presence", but it's ironic(at least to me) that he wanted to deal with a scene that he found to be pretentious. Also, to me, Rob and the band had more in common with Twisted Sister than perhaps he believed or wanted to admit. His statement about always wanting to sell out is particularly hilarious because you don't know if it's truthful, or just his sense of humor!
Always been a big fan of White Zombie. I love the style, imagery and of course the music. I have liked Robs music afterwards but La Sexorcisto and Astro have never been topped in my opinion. I'd love to see a reunion for a tour but that will never happen. They've never seen eye to eye since the breakup and haven't been in a room together either. I'm also guessing Sheri Moon wouldn't approve of a reconciliation with Yseult.
Chris Lee (Sean's hubby) wouldn't approve either. But that's a moot point because it ain't gonna happen even without their spouses in the picture. Sean and J both hate RZ and that's not gonna change and it is what it is. Meanwhile, J says he's never even watched a RZ movie, and never will. It's just bad blood after the band broke up.
@@wesleypipes5673 The Devil's Rejects was great i, Halloween was great ,Halloween 2 was okay more movies than I've made more albums that I've sold so I'd say he had a pretty good career, he's at least not working 9:00 to 5:00
Rob Zombie's birth name is "Robert Cummings!".. Rob Straker was his stage name prior to choosing "Rob Zombie!".. I was a big fan of WZ after first hearing them on Mtv (like most) around the time "La Sexorcisto" came out. Unfortunately I never got to see them live and the show I did plan on going to was their tour with Pantera and the Deftones, but wound up badly breaking my arm and stuck in limbo, not knowing if I'd need surgery or not and ya kinda can't go to a metal concert with your arm in a sling!...
White Zombie broke up during the Danzig tour. Rob quit the band and wanted out. His management convinced him that it would be a huge mistake to ditch the WZ brand and would take years to get another project to the same level, if it were to even happen at all. This happened because Sean and Rob broke up. Rob caught Sean "in the act" with Ivan de Prume. Turned out that Sean and Ivan had been having an affair for a long time behinds Rob's back. It's why Rob would go on to tour in a separate bus. He didn't want to be around his ex, but wanted to keep the band alive and make it even bigger. Due to the record deal, etc., he couldn't kick Sean out of the band. Rob had to live with it. Info came from Philo/Phildo, the drummer for Last Crack that was Ivan's replacement in WZ, and a couple of roadies that got in the conversation. Met him backstage at the San Antonio date at Sneakers. I was talking to him and curious what had happened since WZ were usually out and about after shows. Years before they were signed to Geffen the WZ bus broke down outside of San Antonio and the band ended up sleeping on the floor at my girlfriend's apartment. So, it's not like I was a stranger. Phil said everyone was so upset by the situation that they were staying on the bus and had asked for no contact. I then went on to get my albums signed by Danzig and crew. While I was walking to my car Phil stopped me and said that Rob said that he wouldn't come out, but that he'd sign my stuff. I gave my album to Phil, the glow-in-the-dark version of La Sexorcisto and the green vinyl God of Thunder EP. Phil took them on the bus and had them signed by the band.
Holy shit, if you’re not lying, that explains a lot. I’ve never seen Rob or Sean give an exact reason as to why they broke up; I just remember seeing in articles back in the 90s that it was “amicable” and that Sean instigated the breakup. That makes sense as to why Rob was so persistent in shoving Sheri in Sean’s face, probably to spite her. It also makes sense as to why Rob never wants to form White Zombie again; I can tell he’s a man with a big ego so I imagine he didn’t get over Sean’s betrayal for a longgg time. Too bad they couldn’t be like Fleetwood Mac and just make damn good music out of their broken relationships.
My introduction to White Zombie was not your typical one. I traded a friend a joint for a couple CDs. La Sexersisto was one of them. To this day it's still onenof my all time favorite albums. Picked up Make Them Die Slowly and Astro Creep when it came out.
Rob Zombie shamelessly jacked Al Jourgensen from Ministry's LOOK AND SOUND! Dreadlocks and the Cowboy hat was a pretty specific look..Rob. Not to mention fusing heavy electronics, heavy guitars, and Samples...hmm..where did he come up with that? MINISTRY
Every time I heard Thunder Kiss 65 it reminds me of staying up until like 2 or 3 am to watch ECW every Saturday night. You really couldn't have asked for a more fitting intro. Plus you just knew Paul E. sure as hell wasn't paying any licensing fees to use it, which just made the whole package even cooler.
I wasn't ever particularly interested in White Zombie personally but I do love some of Rob Zombie's movies, especially the "Firefly family" movies (house of 1000 corpses and Devils Rejects and 3 from Hell-awesome films). Sid Haig as "Captain Spaulding" cracks me up so much 😂
I loved La Sexercisto when it came out in 1992. Now in 2023, I started listening to this album again and it is absolutely amazing. Too bad that the sound engineers put too many of the guitar solos in the background. This whole album rocks and the musicians are amazing. Not to mention Rob’s incredible lyrics! I can listen to the album front to back and it never gets old. Might be all the backwards messages in there!
Sean Yesult is the reason I went and saw them five times on the Lasexorsito Tour !!Sooo Hot 🔥.Dam she can play Bass!!!💯 Thus why they will never reunite.She can't stand Rob!!🤦
So now we finally get the real story behind why this amazing band split up so soon! I never truly bought Rob's explanation for their split. It's sad cause they had their own unique sound & style. One that used many samples from movies, which as a movie buff, myself, I can appreciate.
Sounds more like Rob sees concerts as being circus performances than actual music performances. I'd rather have a grunge performer deliver good music while "staring at his feet" all evening, than see people run around the stage acting like idiots while not being able to sing/perform properly, but who knows, might be his excuse for being a shitty live singer.
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Think White Zombie will ever reunite?
Nah, I watched that reunion that Rob didn’t attend. It was pretty obvious that’s not an option.
No need
His most recent tour proved its not necessary
No
Not happening.
I don't know but La Sexorcisto has no business being as good as it is. Incredible 90's album.
Jay is the most underrated metal guitarist of the 90s without him there is no White Zombie
I totally agree. Rob should be thanking Jay, the band sounded pretty mediocre before Jay got in the band and started smashing out all those killer riffs the put the band on the map.
White Zombie will always be a part of everyone’s 90s go to. Still listen to them
100% fact!
Unlikely. Try Sepultura. Zombie was a good concept but they sucked
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La Sexorcito was a perfect storm at a special place in time. Nothing he has done since La Sexorcito has even remotely compared to this masterpiece of metal madness. There are very few albums I can listen to all the way through - but this is one of them. It wouldn’t matter if they reunite or not, the time has past - the magic is gone. But at least we can still listen to what will always be an example of the perfect music that came out of the 90’s.
100% agreed
You can hear the slight shift towards the secorcisto sound on their go's of thunder EP. Jay's first recording with them. You can totally hear them get tighter and more precise with Jay's playing. There are some really great riffs on make them die slowly. But the weird low-gain, echo half asked distortion on the guitar makes that album sound like shit. But it's actually heavy.
Also agree. Rob zombie blows, White Zombie rocked. I've seen them both live, and White zombie was great, I left halfway throu Rob zombie (long concert day, not worth staying).
Fun moment, Sean Ysuelt played her bass in her bra and short shorts...AZ Compton Terrace, 1995-6-ish. I was tripping, and was pressed against the railing by the stage falling in love!
The 90s produced awesome heavy metal / rock
Can’t say that about the 2000s
💯
Until this day I still listen to White Zombie ❤️❤️
Yip. "White Zombie" only though... I hate his corny, solo stuff. The band were a big part of what made White Zombie awesome.
@@rockeyepunkcovers4921 he has some excellent solo efforts like Hellbilly Deluxe. I wouldn’t discount him like that just because of albums like Hellbilly Deluxe 2
...until I DIE!
@@rockeyepunkcovers4921 I've never been a fan of Rob's solo work. Educated Horses was okay, but none of it compares to White Zombie.
after a lot of soul searching. White Zombie are my favorite band of all time
I have nothing but love for White Zombie , I remember thunder kiss and I was hooked , it was music you didn't want your parents to catch you with ,it was outlaw it felt dangerous...good times
I think Rob is the reason we wont get a reunion which is lame, do it for the fans!
My mom hated the White Zombie albums, and my wife wouldn't let me play it around my young daughter, probably all the sex moans in the samples.
@@stevescuba1978 if I was you I divorce her
@@vampirascoffin870 nah, she was right, there's no reason to expose young kids to sexual themes. I wouldn't let my wife play (most) hip hop around our daughter for the same reason.
Uhhh Nineteen sixty….
five YEAH
My buddy is cousins with Rob. He's been on the road with him now and then.
Tells me it's fun. Rob listened to my bands demo.. Wrote us a nice email, he liked it and encouraged us to keep it up and send him anything else we had... The band soon later broke up.
Oh well. That's Rock and Roll.
Slidehammer.... American Hero.
I’m a little saddened that Ivan got no mention. I got to see WZ twice in the early 90’s on a club tour. The first time I was waiting for someone who didn’t show, but was in during soundcheck and was blown away by the samples being played. At that time it may have been the first time I’d ever heard anything like it. The band was sitting around and I remember getting to sample some of the catering available. The drummer, Ivan, walked up to me and started a conversation. Then asked me to play some video games and chat. It was so awesome to hang out, I met musicians before but this guy was one of the nicest guys. He encouraged me to seek out their earlier albums (this was Sexorcisto era) and I did. The second show I saw we must’ve talked for hours. I didn’t really talk to the rest of the band but he got them all to sign my CD. He was so excited because their next trip back they were going to open in a bigger venue and I was going to be there. Unfortunately there wasn’t a third meet up. My parents split and a friend reported he wasn’t in the band anymore. I don’t to this day know what really happened, I was told it was drugs. I’m grateful for the times I did meet him though as he seemed super smart and respectful 😊
Ivan was a great drummer. His work on Sexorcisto was superb.
They all hated each other and for whatever reason Rob especially hated Ivan. The straw that broke the camel's back was when Rob spit on Ivan
I'm right here 🙃
White Zombie was the best thing Rob ever did. Would go see a White Zombie reunion any day. I got to see them twice live so grateful.
me too, 2nd time they opened for pantera.
Rob is horrible live tbh
Was supposed to go to zombie/pantera but my friends mom (our ride) was peer pressured by her friends and changed her mind.
@@PoorMansInvesting I went to go see them on the Gargantuan tour, went to get the tickets and the person in front of me had bought the last ones. I even offered double the face value for them. I regret not getting to see Zombie/Pantera live to this day!
I dunno, I kinda think finding Riggs was the best thing he's ever done but lol I can't necessarily disagree with you either.
White Zombie was a moment in art and time. "Rob Zombie" who I love, is a corporate rock act.
Dont understand why J and Sean just didnt start a new band, they are so underrated
Word. Rob was always the weakest link in that band. They should've just replaced him and kept chugging on.
They're both doing their own thing now and I don't think either of them is really interested in getting back in the limelight. If they wanted to do it they would but I don't see it happening.
J , Sean and Ivan*.
My guess is that their unique musical sound flowed the best with Rob Cummings' voice so much that finding another vocalist to match their style was impossible.
you are underrated
Over 25 years later I'm still talking about seeing their show with Pantera and def tones in Minneapolis in 96 ❤
Pantera must be f’n DOPE live!
Hell Yeah! I lived in MPLS at that time and that show was indeed something to remember!
Not fucking Pantera
You got Deftones? We got EyeHateGod. One of my first concerts. We drove 1500 miles round trip to see that show. What a epic weekend!
I often wondered "What if Sean and Jay had decided to continue without Rob?" i really like what they contributed to the band.
they would have still kicked ass
@@jansandman6983 recently I saw a picture of Phil Anselmo and Ivan DePrume, maybe Phil could fill the spot
They'd suck without rob
Rob was White Zombie.
@@Rjensen2 them combined were white zombie, rob sucks without them. I don't get how he has fans...
Massively underrated band. One of my childhood favorites, still one of my favorites. La Sexorcisto is one of the best metal albums ever made, it's criminally underappreciated, it's way heavier than any of the boring 80's hair bands that straggled through.
Nameless original drummer. His name is Ivan Deprume.
He has a band called “boundless joy”. Its really good. 👍🏼
I agree. Have seen them twice now. Heavy Riffin!@@5150Reaper
I still remember exactly where I was when I first heard the opening riff for Thunderkiss '65. It absolutely blew my mind.
Got to see them on the extreme steel tour with Pantera and slayer it was awesome.
The most recent Rob Zombie album is probably the closest he has come to doing more White Zombie type stuff. I just love the drums on La Sexorcisto. That dude killed it. 🎃
Facts!!!!! That was classic zombie sound🤙🏼🤘🏼☠️
drummer was huge Dave Lombardo fan
before knowing that I had always noticed the similarities between the two
@@rtf8056 that makes sense, some interview that J did he said basically they all went and saw Slayer live and that’s when they decided to change their sound. You can hear it on those walk downs in the riffs. I love that album.
@@SeanBlitzkrieg heoyeah
The whole album is great, but i have always loved the drums on that album the most.
Rob´s birth name is actually Robert Bartleh Cummings, he used the stage name Rob Straker in the early White Zombie days, then changed it to Rob Zombie. Someone who frequently shits on actual music jurnalists, should at least check on basic stuff like birth names.
I came here to say this. I agree completely. I really have to question the legitimacy of a channel like this which can’t do simple fact checking. A visit to Wikipedia would confirm his birth name is not Rob Straker. In 1996 he changed his name legally to Rob Zombie (no info whether he kept a middle name). Also, unrelated to this video, his younger brother Michael is Spider One of Powerman 5000.
@@tekgamer33 Yep, he could at least not throw rocks if his house is made of glass.
@@tekgamer33 Me too! When you get a simple and easily verifiable detail like that wrong, the rest of your video loses all credibility
It sounds like he let A.I. write his narration .. also " welcome to the planet mother f'ers "
I never knew Astro Creep sold more than La Sexorcisto. Saw these guys in Portland '93. Awesome show. Their encore was a cover of "Helter Skelter"
I’m happy we got what we got from them, it’s pretty great stuff.
One of the best concerts I've ever been to. And I've seen them all
Saw White Zombie open up for Danzig in Seattle at the Moore Theatre...probably in 1993. I'd never heard of them but was blown away by their performance. The friend I went with and I still talk about watching them to this day. They were crazy good!
Tough for Danzig to follow them on stage I bet. Zombie blew them away!
I saw them w danzig in detroit at harpos. it was last night of them together EERIE and a roadie put mop heads on and came out to WZ encore and hit them w/ pies n shave cream
I find that hard to believe, tbh.
The tour with the big bullwinkle head ?
I saw them with Filter in Pensacola during their peak year, both bands were good!
Yeah, but Danzig was the head of a legendary band still sounding great. Zombie was a cheap Jorgensen knock-off who's so-called music belongs in music of the 90s bargain bins.
i saw them when they opened for Anthrax in '93 on the Sound of White Noise tour....Voivod was the first act...great show...
I saw them open for Anthrax on that tour in Cleveland. I don’t remember Voivod being on the bill though. I thought they blew anthrax off the stage. I saw them several times after that but that show was probably my favorite
@@whsmfs Voivod was only on the bill in Canada .
I can remember getting a free White Zombie cassette tape outside the Elks Lodge in Queens, NYC after ECW wrestling night. Must've been like 97. What an awesome memory.
La Sexorsisto is my favorite album. I love how heavy Astro Creep is, but La Sexo has so much in it. I LOVE the drums, the groove, the guitar riffs and bass. Rob's voice is great too. I like his more aggressive voice a lot more than his more whinier voice.
Got to see them a couple of times in late 80’s…shows were amazing! They’d always crash at my friend’s place…absolutely the nicest esp Rob.
Rob Zombie does put on a great show, there's no denying that
yeah everything but the singing sadly.
@@jansandman6983 yeah live he sounds awful.
@@tehf00n I went to louder than life '22 to see Kiss and Alice Cooper. Rob Zombie was also there that day and I didn't expect much but that dude was amazing. I was blown by the vocals to the point where I didn't know if it was a lip sync or not 💀
@@theodio0719 Well technically I saw White Zombie in the mid-90's so there was room for improvement in 30 years :d
He’s out of breath every three words.
He’s terrible live.
I was lucky enough when a college town near me had a house of students win the MTV contest and I got to see them play there and met Rob and Sean -- Went on to see them play at a stadium show, man what a show! -- One of the loudest bands I have ever heard live. The show itself was so unique.
I saw them open for Danzig on the Danzig 3 tour. I'd heard of them but never heard them. They really rocked Cain's Ballroom that night.
So glad I caught that tour with Pantera (and I wanna say it was an Aragon Brawlroom show too). I like the solo stuff but White Zombie was special. Still searching for a nice J sig model Iceman.
I saw that tour Deftones opened around the time of their first record
I saw White Zombie with Pantera back in 1996 in LA. Adam Sandler came out on stage and sang More Human with Rob. Amazing show
Maybe Rob should’ve “stared at his feet” a bit more. There’s not a single WZ show where he wasn’t completely out of breath before the first song was over.
You're right, there's very few good live recordings of white Zombie
He would also bitch about the weather like ALOT. Especially if it was a hot day. There is a set where he is like “damn it’s so hot. Let’s get this over with”
Not to mention the AC blowing on him and the crowd just as hot.
I’m like shut up and sing dude
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I mean he kinda sucks
I just looked up their live performances and dude couldn't make it through the first verse in any of the WZ songs
Excellent Job Bro…you covered a lot of stuff the other videos don’t
I had the hugest crush on Sean, man. Hell, I still do!
It's ironic hearing Rob complain about others being pretentious
@540マンモス You had a very strict English teacher somewhere in your past
Buzz Osbourne from the Melvins said that while they were touring with him, security actually made the Melvins stop rehearsing because it was disturbing Rob's dinner! How's that for pretentious?🤣
Ego
Dick or not Rob certainly took his career further than any other band members with his ego
@@dmgcaster904he was sticking up for the feelings of his dinner?
White Zombie and The Toadies was my first concert. I was probably 5th grade and I thought it was such an awesome show. I remember going to the baseball card shop in my town and buying both of their CDs used. I had to hide them from my mom because I know she wouldn't like the cover art and song titles. Still amazes me how much of an impact they made with only two major releases. Kind of sucks they hung it up so soon. Unfortunately I never got into Rob's solo stuff. I don't think it was bad necessarily just not White Zombie good.
Love The Toadies too!❤️
I was poor, but I got White Zombie and Toadies CDs too. Three hours of work per CD before tax, four hours after tax. 😅
i was soo into them bak then..saw em several times live,once with Pantera
La sexorcisto was their pinnacle, no techno metal trash, just solid funk metal. One of the few albums from my childhood that still in my car today. I remember Rob Zombie in the background of Headbangers ball painting the set pieces. 🤘
It's always been weird to me that Astrocreep was more popular. Sexorcisto grooves like no other album period!
@@jonpresley1163 Facts!
“Techno metal trash”…obviously you were never into the Wax Trax catalog, which is a shame. A lot of early WZ came out of that sort of industrial metal. They even had KMFDM remixes ffs
I've said it before, they don't need Rob to do a reunion. I'd pay good money to see the instrumental section of white zombie together again!
Rob can't sing live anyways. most people come to their concert to listen to White Zombie's heavy music not Rob's out of breath mumblings
Rob would probably prevent it from happening in court,if they tried.
Rob is an ass hat. I'd see the band without him
Me too me toooo! Man I love them to this day, damn
@@jansandman6983100%
I first heard White Zombie in the snowboarding video Riders On The Storm in late 1992, which had 3 of their songs on it. They quickly became one of my favorite bands, even though I couldn't actually find the album anywhere or anything else about them. 13 year old me learned how to play guitar to those riffs, just from the crap VHS copy of the snowboarding video. I finally actually found the La Sexorcisto album the following summer. Then they started showing up on my favorite TV show, Beavis and Butt-head, and then on Headbanger's Ball. I was astonished that this band was now getting airplay on MTV. The 1995 album was a pretty big let down for me, as they started turning more electronic and less metal riff oriented. Never got to see them live.
I would be so hype for a white zombie tour! I would def go!
Saw them in concert in Orlando in ‘95…. Great show. The pit was insane.
At 'The Edge'?
@@hollymartins6913 Orlando Arena
I was at that show as well. Remember the Super Soaker?!
I remember seeing them for the first time in Sacramento at the Convention Center about 93 or 94. Friend told me to wear my heavy boots and lets go see a show. First time hearing them, totally worth it. They were just different than all the other stuff out at the time so it was refreshing and exciting. Gotta admit that Super Sexy Swinging Sounds is my favorite release of theirs though.
My first concert was White Zombie and Pantera at Hampton Collesium in Virginia. I rode in the covered bed of a truck for over 100 miles south on I95. I was about 13 years old. That was the night I learned what a mosh pit really was. Lol
Saw that tour in NOLA. Pit was brutal.
Picking up La Sexorcisto as an aussie teen in the early 90"s was mind blowing still on heavy rotation daily
In a Rolling Stone interview with Cortney Love, she mentioned two bands she was listening to, that I never heard of: Helmet and White Zombie. I bought ‘La Sexocisto’ the next, without knowing what type of music it was. It sounded mostly like heavy metal, which I am not a fan of. However, I was a big fan of this record. Such a great record. Rob going techno is where he lost me.
Dude that’s awesome Helmet is also amazing. Courtney could be awful but she was also cool af at times too. Like watch the Kurt Cobain-Nardwuar interview
Never heard of helmet they have been around since the late 80s and 90s
I've always loved Helmet. Too bad that blonde vampire bitch mentioned them because now they seem a little bit tarnished.
The prebroadcast footage of the 95 MTV VMA performance I have on my channel got a TON of views after you posted this, whatever it did to the algorythnm, THANK YOU! (Awesome video too, BTW, long time viewer from the GNR video days)
I was such a giant White Zombie fan and I can honestly say I have never cared for a single song the Rob released as a solo act. Not for lack of trying either. His movies are, a thing that exist - don't love them don't hate them. I do know that Devil Music Vol 1: LA Sexorcisto was one of the best god damn metal records ever written and definitely in the tippy top of its era/genre. Gonna go listen to that shit now matter of fact.
White Zombie was my first concert in '95. I'm still talking about it to this day. Such a great show!
This was amazing! Thank you. Even with their success White Zombie still feels underrated.
Astro Creep still stands up to this day. It sounds amazing. That’s Terry Date for you.
This reminds me of the BEST METAL SOUNDTRACK EVER!
Beavis and Butthead Experience.
I Am Hell was probably my favorite Zombie song.
Wikipedia states that Rob attended Pratt, not Parsons. He is even listed as an alumni at Pratt.
I am listed as an alumni at Pratt
YEAAAAHH 🎶
more human than human!
When White Zombie came to our town in the 90s church groups protested and threatened to bomb the theater. MTV covered it and it was a fairly big story. It was Viking Hall in Bristol Va in the early 90s. That’d make a cool video and story for you to do a video on.
When I was 16, my dad and I were installing a cd player in my car. When it came time to test the cd player, he went sifting through my cd's and found my La Sexorcisto cd. He promptly lectured me about devil worship and took the cd. Then he popped in an Ozzy Osbourne cd and tuned the player.....30 years later its still a head scratcher.
Beavis and butthead got me into white zombie and all other varieties of heavy metal when I was a kid.
I remember watching their music video commentary of welcome to planet MF and loving and discovering white zombie for the first time.
This is why the fans like myself of BnB need the king turd collection more than that crappy censored mike judge collection. 😂
Same here. Even their dislike of hair bands still kept the bands alive. I know Kip Winger might disagree, but I never heard of Winger before BnB.
B & B made white zombie. Welcome to planet mother fucker
@@dont_follow5777 Even their trolling of bands like, Accept and king diamond got me into those bands too. 😂
Beavis and Butthead introduced me to Ministry. Loved B&B and King Of The Hill.
I discovered so many bands on BnB. Monster Magnet, Quicksand, , Nudeswirl, Entombed, Kyuss, Morbid Angel, etc. In some ways it was a better resource than Alternative Nation or Headbanger's Ball
Saw Rob in August with a 15 minute version of ThunderKiss 65 which included a full version of Blitzkrieg Bop
Mf can still move given he's in his mid 50s
I know, right! I wanna know what his secret is!
@@anthonymangia8890 he’s apparently a vegan health nut who was never really part of the drug scene. Dude just looks like he woke up in a dumpster after a 3-month meth binge.
Yo, We saw White Zombie on my Birthday on 12/15/9? In Philadelphia. Great vid, make it 2 hours! :)
I didn't know White Zombie's history, very cool... I'm more into NIN and Ministry, I've never hrard WZ's earlier albums. I'll check it out.
Man Astro Creep was one of the best albums that came out of that era. I think it’s the best example of what Rob was trying to achieve, musically and artistically. He’ll always be one of my fave artists, although I’m not a huge fan of his later stuff outside of WZ.
Watered down Ministry, let's be honest
@@kingcarrot6355 I’ve been hearing that since the 90s. I like Ministry too, but honestly Astro Creep doesn’t sound anything like Ministry. They just happen to look exactly like each other ha. Also, nothing wrong with sounding a little more commercial. Even Rob has never denied wanting to “sell out.”
@@zombieparrot2606 I like White Zombie as well, don't get me wrong.
But I don't consider Rob to be original in any sense - They way he promoted himself on Headbangers Ball was beyond cringe
What are the differences between rob zombie and white zombie? They sound pretty much the same to me.
La sexorcisto was far better, none of that techno metal trash.
To this day, La Sexorcisto is one of the most legendary albums of all time.
This is a FACT not an OPINION
White zombie never fell. They were amazing up unto the end. Rob fell off after he went solo. White Zombie was and is still amazing to listen to.
I respect your opinions regarding white zombie, but i really dont think that rob fell off after the band broke up, matter of fact he released some of his best songs in his solo carreer
They weren't banned in Omaha, saw them several times there and they were always welcome.
I’m fine with bands staring at their feet the whole time as long as they sound good. I’d much rather that than a lead singer bouncing all over the stage out of breath trying to sing the lyrics
Ha! I saw them live Twice on the same Lasexorcisto tour 93/94 Once in a small club then suddenly they were playing arena's.
Amazing live show, saw them with Reverend Horton Heat 🤘🏽
Yep and the Melvins
Saw them all on that tour in Utica, NY.
" Reverend Horton Heat Rocks ! "
Caught them in late late 80s as openers for Milwaukee's Die Kreuzen , i think they were touring for Make Them Die Slowly. (Stache's, Columbus Ohio). Dug it, but couldn't grasp where they were headed till i heard Love Razor (G.O.T. Ep pre La Sexorcisto). That did it for me. Glad i stumbled onto this video. Brought back memories.
Die Kreuzen! I saw them in Minneapolis a few times. Always a good show!
I didnt have mtv as a kid, i heard black sunshine in the radio and i was hooked. Ive bought astro creep 2000 at least 5x because i had worn it out. Really wish they get back together and tour, but band dosnt have any relationship with rob after a recent interiew with with band celebrating 30 year anniversary of el sexocisto.
Well done.The only thing that seems to be missing is a few words about the brilliant remix record of Astro Creep!🤟👍
Rob says he hates anything the critics like. Critics can say vice versa about his film career as well
50% The Munsters (2022)
58% 3 From Hell (2019)
47% 31 (2016)
46% The Lords of Salem (2012)
40% The Haunted World of El Superbeasto (2009)
23% Halloween II (2009)
27% Halloween (2007)
55% The Devil's Rejects (2005)
20% House of 1000 Corpses (2003)
Way of the Warrior + White Zombie = Awesome intro to a band through a sweet fighting game
Man White Zombie was amazing for 2 albums. It kills me they broke up, Rob Zombies solo stuff just isn't as good, to me. At least they gave us those 2 great albums.
The first Rob Zombie album is good
I agree, after Make Them Die Slowly their sound got a lot more commercial. La Sexorcisto and beyond werent much good
@@irishtexan100 it’s good & creative but sounds like it was recorded on a potato. Same with their 2nd but to a lesser extent IMO
@@-drakrats- LMAO in what world was ANY of there stuff commercial? Just because it became popular doesn't mean they chased any trends or did what was guaranteed to be a success commercially. that is the most bullshit revisionism i've heard in a while.
Get your elitist head out of your ass
@@TroublesomeOwl revisionism? I'm basing it on what they sounded like when they came out. As for commercial, don't you remember their stuff being on computer games etc? Fuck all to do with anything other than how they sounded. First two albums good, la Sexorcisto and beyond not that great. Noone ever said they chased trends etc...seems you don't understand commercialisation of sound.
Excellent channel. Subscribed. 🤘
YEAAAAHH 🎶
more human than human!
Love White Zombie. Also, RZ solo. Now, I understand Rob's point about "no stage presence", but it's ironic(at least to me) that he wanted to deal with a scene that he found to be pretentious. Also, to me, Rob and the band had more in common with Twisted Sister than perhaps he believed or wanted to admit. His statement about always wanting to sell out is particularly hilarious because you don't know if it's truthful, or just his sense of humor!
Will you ever do a video about the feud between Rob Zombie and Al Jourgensen?
Always been a big fan of White Zombie. I love the style, imagery and of course the music. I have liked Robs music afterwards but La Sexorcisto and Astro have never been topped in my opinion. I'd love to see a reunion for a tour but that will never happen. They've never seen eye to eye since the breakup and haven't been in a room together either. I'm also guessing Sheri Moon wouldn't approve of a reconciliation with Yseult.
Chris Lee (Sean's hubby) wouldn't approve either. But that's a moot point because it ain't gonna happen even without their spouses in the picture. Sean and J both hate RZ and that's not gonna change and it is what it is. Meanwhile, J says he's never even watched a RZ movie, and never will. It's just bad blood after the band broke up.
Saw White Zombie and Kyuss open for Danzig in November 03, 1992 in Fresno, CA. The show kicked my ass, all three bands were good.
And Rob Zombie went on to have a great career making movies and releasing more songs
Releasing mostly crap movies and crap techno
@@wesleypipes5673 The Devil's Rejects was great i, Halloween was great ,Halloween 2 was okay more movies than I've made more albums that I've sold so I'd say he had a pretty good career, he's at least not working 9:00 to 5:00
Laugh out loud they erase their comment
Cosmic Monsters is my Jam. Such a sick groove 👌
I was in love with Sean during the 90's. I still get warm when I see pix of her back in the day.
I saw them at the Medusa nightclub in Chicago, early 90's. Good stuff
Rob Zombie's birth name is "Robert Cummings!".. Rob Straker was his stage name prior to choosing "Rob Zombie!".. I was a big fan of WZ after first hearing them on Mtv (like most) around the time "La Sexorcisto" came out. Unfortunately I never got to see them live and the show I did plan on going to was their tour with Pantera and the Deftones, but wound up badly breaking my arm and stuck in limbo, not knowing if I'd need surgery or not and ya kinda can't go to a metal concert with your arm in a sling!...
You should've gone. A lot of dudes coming out of that Pantera pit could've used some advice on how to care for a broken arm.
I rewatched beginning so many times saying wtf
Just saw Rob Zombie live for the first time finally. Best fucking show ive ever been to, especially since he played a lot of White Zombie!! ♡♡♡♡
White Zombie broke up during the Danzig tour. Rob quit the band and wanted out. His management convinced him that it would be a huge mistake to ditch the WZ brand and would take years to get another project to the same level, if it were to even happen at all. This happened because Sean and Rob broke up. Rob caught Sean "in the act" with Ivan de Prume. Turned out that Sean and Ivan had been having an affair for a long time behinds Rob's back. It's why Rob would go on to tour in a separate bus. He didn't want to be around his ex, but wanted to keep the band alive and make it even bigger. Due to the record deal, etc., he couldn't kick Sean out of the band. Rob had to live with it. Info came from Philo/Phildo, the drummer for Last Crack that was Ivan's replacement in WZ, and a couple of roadies that got in the conversation. Met him backstage at the San Antonio date at Sneakers. I was talking to him and curious what had happened since WZ were usually out and about after shows. Years before they were signed to Geffen the WZ bus broke down outside of San Antonio and the band ended up sleeping on the floor at my girlfriend's apartment. So, it's not like I was a stranger. Phil said everyone was so upset by the situation that they were staying on the bus and had asked for no contact. I then went on to get my albums signed by Danzig and crew. While I was walking to my car Phil stopped me and said that Rob said that he wouldn't come out, but that he'd sign my stuff. I gave my album to Phil, the glow-in-the-dark version of La Sexorcisto and the green vinyl God of Thunder EP. Phil took them on the bus and had them signed by the band.
Holy shit, if you’re not lying, that explains a lot. I’ve never seen Rob or Sean give an exact reason as to why they broke up; I just remember seeing in articles back in the 90s that it was “amicable” and that Sean instigated the breakup.
That makes sense as to why Rob was so persistent in shoving Sheri in Sean’s face, probably to spite her. It also makes sense as to why Rob never wants to form White Zombie again; I can tell he’s a man with a big ego so I imagine he didn’t get over Sean’s betrayal for a longgg time.
Too bad they couldn’t be like Fleetwood Mac and just make damn good music out of their broken relationships.
Black Sunshine is one of my favorites. LOL. That opening bass line is awesome.
Saw them in '95. The Ramones opened. Great show. Still listen to White Zombie, good times.
My introduction to White Zombie was not your typical one. I traded a friend a joint for a couple CDs. La Sexersisto was one of them. To this day it's still onenof my all time favorite albums. Picked up Make Them Die Slowly and Astro Creep when it came out.
Rob Zombie shamelessly jacked Al Jourgensen from Ministry's LOOK AND SOUND! Dreadlocks and the Cowboy hat was a pretty specific look..Rob. Not to mention fusing heavy electronics, heavy guitars, and Samples...hmm..where did he come up with that? MINISTRY
Astro-Creep is my favorite album ever. Weird to say considering White Zombie doesn't even make my top 5 bands of all time.
Every time I heard Thunder Kiss 65 it reminds me of staying up until like 2 or 3 am to watch ECW every Saturday night. You really couldn't have asked for a more fitting intro. Plus you just knew Paul E. sure as hell wasn't paying any licensing fees to use it, which just made the whole package even cooler.
Lollll facts!!!!!! Remember when Rob zombie made a cameo in ecw in 1998? Badass times🤘🏼😎🤘🏼
@@vampirascoffin870 I do. I vaguely remember him contributing to an ECW remix CD too..I think that was during the TNN days
I wasn't ever particularly interested in White Zombie personally but I do love some of Rob Zombie's movies, especially the "Firefly family" movies (house of 1000 corpses and Devils Rejects and 3 from Hell-awesome films). Sid Haig as "Captain Spaulding" cracks me up so much 😂
Blood, Milk and Sky!!!
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I loved La Sexercisto when it came out in 1992. Now in 2023, I started listening to this album again and it is absolutely amazing. Too bad that the sound engineers put too many of the guitar solos in the background. This whole album rocks and the musicians are amazing. Not to mention Rob’s incredible lyrics! I can listen to the album front to back and it never gets old. Might be all the backwards messages in there!
Sean Yesult is the reason I went and saw them five times on the Lasexorsito Tour !!Sooo Hot 🔥.Dam she can play Bass!!!💯 Thus why they will never reunite.She can't stand Rob!!🤦
When I saw the White Zombie/Pantera show at Red Rocks, Rob told us "were gonna go home after this tour and you won't be hearing from us for a while."
I remember him saying something similar when I caught that tour in NOLA
So now we finally get the real story behind why this amazing band split up so soon! I never truly bought Rob's explanation for their split. It's sad cause they had their own unique sound & style. One that used many samples from movies, which as a movie buff, myself, I can appreciate.
I love rob’s solo stuff I’m a huge Rob zombie fan and I got into white zombie this year
Sounds more like Rob sees concerts as being circus performances than actual music performances.
I'd rather have a grunge performer deliver good music while "staring at his feet" all evening, than see people run around the stage acting like idiots while not being able to sing/perform properly, but who knows, might be his excuse for being a shitty live singer.