What I understood from this Big Test, is that the HR-V focuses more on performance, ride, and handling, while the XFORCE focuses more on space and practicality, both for passengers and cargo. Sure, the price gap is quite the stretch, but the XFORCE is a really good contender for Mitsubishi in the B-SUV segment. Sure, it does have it's flaws, but keep in mind that Mitsubishi is the kind of automaker to take their time and use it to improve their lineup of vehicles in one way or another. The only genuine negative I'd say the XForce has is it's price and engine. Sure, the XForce's 1.5L NA Gas engine definitely has more than enough power to carry 5 people w/ cargo, the XForce has set itself in a position where it's competitors now have Turbos and/or some form of Electrification, HEVs, and even PHEVs and BEVs now, but considering the release of the Xpander and Xpander Cross E:Motion HEV earlier this year in Thailand, it's very likely that a HEV version of the XForce may arrive soon. But hey, that's what I think😅
@@MochizukiYuusei then it becomes imperative for mitsubishi to review their pricing strategy if they are likely to bring in an xforce hev here. how much will they price the hev variant? 2.5m? 🤔😂
@onepab01 There will be a price increase, thats for sure, but a full PHP 1M more than the current TOTL GT model? Now thats what I'd call overexaggerated. 😅
Bought a HRV for 3 months and no regret. Great handling. Space is comfortable. Super versatile when using "magic seats" to load a high/long cargo. Love it!
Honda HR-V offers better engine performance, handling and comfort. The Mitsubishi X-Force counter that with a futuristic design, better interior with all digital speedometer, tachometer that continues up untill the infotainment display. Overall I suggest if you're always planning to visit twisties roads or incline roads in Tagaytay, Baguio or Subic then the Honda HR-V will do with its 1.5L engine with better output that will give you a better power and handling when you push the accelerator. If you want a spacier cabin, future proof design and better/futuristic interior then go for the Mitsubishi X-Force. But for the price of the Mitsubishi X-Force GT with an additional 20k to 30k you can get the Honda HR-V 1.5V Turbo that will overall surpassed the Mitsubishi X-Force in the engine and handling performance.
@@yangmaster24True that! and it's always the case. Heck, I can already see the current Hyundais (Stargazer, etc.) looking terribly dated in 3 years or so.
Another great review! But I think the top of the line model should be compared to the top of the line model, similar to what you guys do with PPVs. Mid vs mid, and base vs.base model.
Mitsubishi Xforce GT CVT 1.581M. Honda HRV V Turbo CVT 1.649M. Honda HRV S CVT 1.389M. IMO, Honda is the clear choice although they only used the HRV S variant on the comparison.
Dont just base the price via SRP. What most of you dont know (most likely) is how big Mitsubishi is giving in terms of discount. CAMPI shows how crazy the Xforce is selling, which is almost similar to Toyota Corolla Cross sales. Its only a matter of time that you'll be seeing a lot of these on our roads.
@jajejijoju7106 dude probably is the sporty type of guy. The HRV is something I also looooveeee, but it surely is far from practical. So if I ever need a daily between the 2 HRV variants and the XForce GT, I'd go with the Mitsu esp with the hefty discounts.
Those acceleration figures are woeful in 2024. The power to weight ratio of these are just really bad especially for the Xforce. No wonder it also gets middling fuel economy as it sturggles with its weight. Surprisingly, cars like the Honda BR-V, Honda City, Kia Sonet, and even the 3 cylinder Toyota Raize turbo are much quicker even with the slight uphill in consideration.
I am more interested with Fuel economy (real world) at Metro Manila city driving on Weekdays. Yun ang dealer maker or breaker for me. Everything else is a bonus
@@TGPMagazine Tska kapag sa ride comfort test kayo, consider niyo edsa or c5 na medyo maluwag ang traffic 40kph to 60kph para malaman ang tunay na ride behavior ng vehicle.
Hrv is a global car compared to the asia pacific special xforce hence the chassis is stiffer as it has to meet more stringent crash test. Honda packaging is more brilliant too
I think you did the acceleration test with the Eco Mode on for the HRV. Eco mode kinda slows the acceleration down to save on fuel. Considering that, the HRV was still quicker than the XForce lol
Honda HR-V wins. The Mitsubishi XForce GT is just too expensive. P1.5M for a car which only has 1.5L I4 NA gas engine, no power seat adjustment and no 360° cam. There are better options than the XForce GT such as Honda HR-V V Turbo, Civic V Turbo and Yaris Cross HEV. These have small price gaps from one another while having more to offer than the XForce. At that price, Mitsubishi should've at least put a 1.5L I4 turbocharged or NA hybrid engine and 360° cam at least. Before anyone says that the XForce has different driving modes for off-roading, these drive modes are useless without an AWD or 4WD drivetrain.
HR-V actually wins the cargo category. the ULTR seats are incredibly versatile. and when the rear seats are folded down you got a few hectares of flat real estate in there
@@johnmina1121 with seats up the xforce wins by a tiny bit, but with seats down the hrv wins by a HUGE margin. hrv also has tall mode which xforce doesn't have. having 3 passengers and one back seat in tall mode is super versatile. if you have owned a Jazz in the past then you'll know this, if you haven't then you've been missing out
But you didn't mention that Honda HRV top variant (RS) is more expensive @ P1,739,000 than Mitsubishi XForce's P1,581,000. The HRV variant that you compared against XForce which is already its top variant was just the lowest variant. But I love both car models.
I've been looking at these two for a while until the BYD Sealion came out. TBH, that really messed up my choices. It's not like BYD is new to the market like the other China brands. They even lead when it comes to battery tech.
@@skiriigreen6323 LOL do some research into the brand. Let's stop with brand prejudice. Let's keep it civil, folks. With the way things are moving right now, it's inevitable to see how China would affect more than 50% of any kind of manufacturing throughout the world. BYD already has a good track record even in Europe and the Americas.
The GLS variant has a leather steering wheel and a lot bigger and more functional infotainment system with a far better sounding speakers. Only Honda can price a car P1.4M with urethane steering wheel and a mediocre 4 stock speakers. ADAS is overrated. I never use them in my car. And so are the majority of the buyers.
@yangmaster24 lol. It is. The steering wheel is the one you hold and touch 99% of the time. You don't want it plasticky especially if you shell out nearly P1.4M. Hehe
As an HRV S owner who had test driven the TOTL Sonet, I would say that the Sonet is more comparable to the Yaris Cross in terms of features and cabin space.
You talked about the cargo space, but if you think about the difference in space it doesnt look like have a big difference.But then you gave the score to the XForce.
It doesn't look big of a difference on camera but in person and if you're loading a lot of stuff, you would see and appreciate the extra space that the XForce offers. The problem with the HRV is that the back door (D-pillar?) is too slanted hence offering less space especially if you're loading tall objects. We have a Yaris Cross and it may basically have the same amount of space as the XForce. Yet still sometimes I wish the back door is a little more upright so loading objects like our dog cage would be a breeze and would not impede the closing of the back door.
@@jajejijoju7106 I know that of course, I was looking at the top of the line raize, sonet, yarisx, creta, hrv and xforce, I was in the market for sub compact to crossover. I even considered corolla cross. But sonet made more sense. My choice ty, respect.
Same i dont like the rear design and "estetiks" para syang may mini pwet sana inextend nalang ng katulad sa xforce and mas maganda rear light design ni xforce tho yun nga its overpriced for what it offers
The limiting factor in the xforce is the transmission. With that weight, power must be limited to not destroy the CVT. The CVT does make sense in both urban and rural settings. The highway between them is the CVT killer. I'm really tired of comparing the xforce against it's turbocharged competitors. Ironically Mitsubishi heavy industries make turbos, sometimes used by the competitors. But man, the xforce is ugly And expensive.
Pero 8k units per month na ang benta nila monthly. Ang layo sa monthly sales ng Honda. Kung may magsasarang kumpanya, sino sa tingin mo mauuna? Paramihan ng mitsu at honda sa daan, alam mo na ang sagot 😂
Maganda naman itong comaparo nila kaya lng sorry ✌️✌️✌️ medyo nahihirapan lng aq maitindihan yung ibang sinasbai ni sir anton kahit nung nasa autoindustriya p sya ky need kp i-on yung englinsh subs, o baka may kahinaan lng siguro yung boses nya unlike sa ibang kasama nya.
@@christianvigal441 hrv turbo iiwan? Do sum research boy bago ka mag compare ng yaris cross mu😂 features lg mahina sa hrv pero performance wise? Toyota ta boy pala to eh to b fair daw
Why dont you include the Yaris Cross HEV 😂 Baka sa fuel economy for sure win na Yaris Cross, Features and Value for Money as well. For sure NVH lng mananalo yng iba
To comment on the luggage test of the rear deck, one can actually make the large and medium sized pieces of luggage stand in their side and... Voila!!! Luggage test passed for the HR-V... The score should have been 5-2 for the HR-V
Thanks for the feedback. We were testing capacity with the seats up, since that's the most practical test all things considered. But we will take this in consideration for upcoming tests. Stay tuned!
BYD Sealion 6, Gac Emzoom or even the old Coolray is a better buy than these too. a LOOOOT better in performance (almost double HP and torque), Better interior materials, Better NVH almost same tech and features. And Chinese Car parts are actually starting to flood too.
What I understood from this Big Test, is that the HR-V focuses more on performance, ride, and handling, while the XFORCE focuses more on space and practicality, both for passengers and cargo. Sure, the price gap is quite the stretch, but the XFORCE is a really good contender for Mitsubishi in the B-SUV segment. Sure, it does have it's flaws, but keep in mind that Mitsubishi is the kind of automaker to take their time and use it to improve their lineup of vehicles in one way or another. The only genuine negative I'd say the XForce has is it's price and engine. Sure, the XForce's 1.5L NA Gas engine definitely has more than enough power to carry 5 people w/ cargo, the XForce has set itself in a position where it's competitors now have Turbos and/or some form of Electrification, HEVs, and even PHEVs and BEVs now, but considering the release of the Xpander and Xpander Cross E:Motion HEV earlier this year in Thailand, it's very likely that a HEV version of the XForce may arrive soon. But hey, that's what I think😅
@@MochizukiYuusei then it becomes imperative for mitsubishi to review their pricing strategy if they are likely to bring in an xforce hev here. how much will they price the hev variant? 2.5m? 🤔😂
@onepab01 There will be a price increase, thats for sure, but a full PHP 1M more than the current TOTL GT model? Now thats what I'd call overexaggerated. 😅
Bought a HRV for 3 months and no regret. Great handling. Space is comfortable. Super versatile when using "magic seats" to load a high/long cargo. Love it!
Top of the line ng xforce vs hrv base model win win pa din ang hrv, lalo na pag tinapat mo sa rs yan kakainin talaga ng buhay yang xforce
Honda HR-V offers better engine performance, handling and comfort. The Mitsubishi X-Force counter that with a futuristic design, better interior with all digital speedometer, tachometer that continues up untill the infotainment display. Overall I suggest if you're always planning to visit twisties roads or incline roads in Tagaytay, Baguio or Subic then the Honda HR-V will do with its 1.5L engine with better output that will give you a better power and handling when you push the accelerator. If you want a spacier cabin, future proof design and better/futuristic interior then go for the Mitsubishi X-Force. But for the price of the Mitsubishi X-Force GT with an additional 20k to 30k you can get the Honda HR-V 1.5V Turbo that will overall surpassed the Mitsubishi X-Force in the engine and handling performance.
Agree. The turbo is great value for money in this segment.
@@TGPMagazine What about a car for a lifetime? between the two which is better?
Underchassis , endurance and durability should be included
i dont think its a future proof design, futuristic design tends to age like milk, See previous gens Hyundais
@@yangmaster24True that! and it's always the case. Heck, I can already see the current Hyundais (Stargazer, etc.) looking terribly dated in 3 years or so.
I know looks are subjective but for me the hrv is anne curtis while the xforce is vice ganda😅
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Hindi halata na Showtime fan ka.
Another great review! But I think the top of the line model should be compared to the top of the line model, similar to what you guys do with PPVs. Mid vs mid, and base vs.base model.
Masyado na daw mahal if they get the HR-V RS, and maiiwan naman if they get the HR-V Turbo 😅😅😅
I think the Creta and Hrv is gonna be a very competitive comparison since power figures are not that far and roughly the same dimensions and shape
Mitsubishi Xforce GT CVT 1.581M.
Honda HRV V Turbo CVT 1.649M.
Honda HRV S CVT 1.389M.
IMO, Honda is the clear choice although they only used the HRV S variant on the comparison.
The turbo is great value for money
Kaso 100k mag discount si mitsu 😬
Dont just base the price via SRP. What most of you dont know (most likely) is how big Mitsubishi is giving in terms of discount. CAMPI shows how crazy the Xforce is selling, which is almost similar to Toyota Corolla Cross sales. Its only a matter of time that you'll be seeing a lot of these on our roads.
@@jajejijoju7106 what im saying is it doesnt even matter. With or without discount, Honda is the better choice.
@jajejijoju7106 dude probably is the sporty type of guy. The HRV is something I also looooveeee, but it surely is far from practical. So if I ever need a daily between the 2 HRV variants and the XForce GT, I'd go with the Mitsu esp with the hefty discounts.
Those acceleration figures are woeful in 2024. The power to weight ratio of these are just really bad especially for the Xforce. No wonder it also gets middling fuel economy as it sturggles with its weight. Surprisingly, cars like the Honda BR-V, Honda City, Kia Sonet, and even the 3 cylinder Toyota Raize turbo are much quicker even with the slight uphill in consideration.
I like the cargo space of the x-force 😁 but with the extra 200k you can buy additional upgrades for the hr-v 👌
Might as well buy the hr-v turbo and you’re good to go! 😊
GT variant 100k diacount for bank PO..
I am more interested with Fuel economy (real world) at Metro Manila city driving on Weekdays. Yun ang dealer maker or breaker for me. Everything else is a bonus
From these 2, it was about the same story in city. But yes, will be sure to show the results of this for future testing.
@@TGPMagazine Tska kapag sa ride comfort test kayo, consider niyo edsa or c5 na medyo maluwag ang traffic 40kph to 60kph para malaman ang tunay na ride behavior ng vehicle.
Hrv is a global car compared to the asia pacific special xforce hence the chassis is stiffer as it has to meet more stringent crash test. Honda packaging is more brilliant too
I think you did the acceleration test with the Eco Mode on for the HRV. Eco mode kinda slows the acceleration down to save on fuel. Considering that, the HRV was still quicker than the XForce lol
6:29 good timing on the xforce odo. "1234"
We didn't even notice!
Honda HR-V wins. The Mitsubishi XForce GT is just too expensive. P1.5M for a car which only has 1.5L I4 NA gas engine, no power seat adjustment and no 360° cam. There are better options than the XForce GT such as Honda HR-V V Turbo, Civic V Turbo and Yaris Cross HEV. These have small price gaps from one another while having more to offer than the XForce. At that price, Mitsubishi should've at least put a 1.5L I4 turbocharged or NA hybrid engine and 360° cam at least. Before anyone says that the XForce has different driving modes for off-roading, these drive modes are useless without an AWD or 4WD drivetrain.
HR-V actually wins the cargo category. the ULTR seats are incredibly versatile. and when the rear seats are folded down you got a few hectares of flat real estate in there
Honda has always done great things with their seats. Jazz days pa
Why not consider having passengers at the backseat? Xforce wins this.
@@johnmina1121 with seats up the xforce wins by a tiny bit, but with seats down the hrv wins by a HUGE margin. hrv also has tall mode which xforce doesn't have. having 3 passengers and one back seat in tall mode is super versatile. if you have owned a Jazz in the past then you'll know this, if you haven't then you've been missing out
I like the look of the xforce… .its just that no turbo option.its a bit sluggish when fully loaded to my liking.
But you didn't mention that Honda HRV top variant (RS) is more expensive @ P1,739,000 than Mitsubishi XForce's P1,581,000. The HRV variant that you compared against XForce which is already its top variant was just the lowest variant. But I love both car models.
Mitsubishi market strategy is strange.
Why they didnt use the x force for the old asx instead of the renault captur copy?
very detailed and entertaining review !!
I've been looking at these two for a while until the BYD Sealion came out. TBH, that really messed up my choices. It's not like BYD is new to the market like the other China brands. They even lead when it comes to battery tech.
We will have the byd soon for review (and hopefully a big test!)
@@TGPMagazine Woah! Will definitely look forward to that. Especially since they're about to be finished with their showroom in our city.
Yuck! A total waste of money, chinese made car. Goodluck😂
@@skiriigreen6323yuck yung yaris cross na tunog lata pag sinara
@@skiriigreen6323 LOL do some research into the brand. Let's stop with brand prejudice. Let's keep it civil, folks. With the way things are moving right now, it's inevitable to see how China would affect more than 50% of any kind of manufacturing throughout the world. BYD already has a good track record even in Europe and the Americas.
There's a gls variant of the XForce that matches the price of the HRV Non Turbo. And it's still loaded than the HRV.
when your "loaded" has no ADAS, then its not loaded, the HRV base has full suite of Honda Sensing
I think he meant loaded with BS. 😂
The GLS variant has a leather steering wheel and a lot bigger and more functional infotainment system with a far better sounding speakers. Only Honda can price a car P1.4M with urethane steering wheel and a mediocre 4 stock speakers.
ADAS is overrated. I never use them in my car. And so are the majority of the buyers.
@@jojom.69 LOL, you think thats an important feature? have you watched the review?
@yangmaster24 lol. It is. The steering wheel is the one you hold and touch 99% of the time. You don't want it plasticky especially if you shell out nearly P1.4M. Hehe
Is quite a coincidence both Honda wins in 2 big test
It really has a lot to do with consistency. While their lineup isn't as strong anymore, what cars they do have are quite good for their value.
The only issue I have is if you base the fuel economy on the trup/economy computer, those can be inaccurate.
Thanks for the feedback. We would do a more formal test, but given some time constraints (and in this case, the typhoons), we couldn't.
@TGPMagazine Absolutely, makes sense and understandable.
Also, the HR-V was in eco mode when driven.
See the green leafy light thing?
Please do a comparison of HRV vs territory
X Force is 2024 car with a 2018 engine.
Can you please do a big test on byd sealion 6 and nissan kicks?
X force
Cons:
1. 1.5 engine
2. 103hp
3. No panoramic roof
4. Back signals are toooooo small
Pros:
The best design and nice interior
Please do a comparison of HRV vs Sonet
As an HRV S owner who had test driven the TOTL Sonet, I would say that the Sonet is more comparable to the Yaris Cross in terms of features and cabin space.
How does the BYD Sealion 6 fare with these 2? It would be interesting to see that.
Sealion 6 is in a different segment (compact suv) while these two are sub-compacts. The CRV and Rav4 will compete with the sealion 6.
BYDs also have a feature called spontaneous combustion.
We have yet to pit them head to head, but we do have a Sealion coming in soon for testing. Will keep you posted
BYD is a joke. Kadiri Chinese-made car😂
BYD is a joke. Kadiri Chinese-made car😂
You talked about the cargo space, but if you think about the difference in space it doesnt look like have a big difference.But then you gave the score to the XForce.
It doesn't look big of a difference on camera but in person and if you're loading a lot of stuff, you would see and appreciate the extra space that the XForce offers. The problem with the HRV is that the back door (D-pillar?) is too slanted hence offering less space especially if you're loading tall objects. We have a Yaris Cross and it may basically have the same amount of space as the XForce. Yet still sometimes I wish the back door is a little more upright so loading objects like our dog cage would be a breeze and would not impede the closing of the back door.
Don't forget , which one will fall apart first = -1 point for mitsubishi.
Was considering this but the price does not equate to value. Went to Kia Sonet :)
Too bad you're looking at wrong segment. Raize is the direct competition of your Sonet, not these two. 😅
@@jajejijoju7106 I know that of course, I was looking at the top of the line raize, sonet, yarisx, creta, hrv and xforce, I was in the market for sub compact to crossover. I even considered corolla cross. But sonet made more sense. My choice ty, respect.
X-Force is just the X-Pensive X-Pander
ang ganda sana ung hrv kung hindi ganun ung likod niya inextend sana ung tailgate
Same. Di ko rin bet haha
Same i dont like the rear design and "estetiks" para syang may mini pwet sana inextend nalang ng katulad sa xforce and mas maganda rear light design ni xforce tho yun nga its overpriced for what it offers
why not include the gac emzoom and geely coolray
in the comparo? to me the better match-up to hrv are these 2 chinese cars.
15:35 someone is robbing you.
What were the guys at Mitsubishi even thinking? This car is just way too much in your face. Yikes.
Objective review! Nice
The limiting factor in the xforce is the transmission. With that weight, power must be limited to not destroy the CVT. The CVT does make sense in both urban and rural settings. The highway between them is the CVT killer.
I'm really tired of comparing the xforce against it's turbocharged competitors. Ironically Mitsubishi heavy industries make turbos, sometimes used by the competitors.
But man, the xforce is ugly And expensive.
It should be HRV s vs xforce gls
Sana yung GLS ang hiniram nyo sa Misyubibi
I like the lock set up of Xforce😂😂😂😂 so Old school😂😂😂😂
Xforce vs BYD Sealion 6
Problema sa hrv 4 seater lang e masiadong embossed ung gitnag bahagi ng likurang upuan
I would trade interior and cargo space over engine power
Hindi na ganon kaganda mitsubishi. Sa iba na nagfofocus ang mitsubishi hindi na gano sa kotse.
Pero 8k units per month na ang benta nila monthly. Ang layo sa monthly sales ng Honda. Kung may magsasarang kumpanya, sino sa tingin mo mauuna? Paramihan ng mitsu at honda sa daan, alam mo na ang sagot 😂
I guess the xforce is bound to fail like the ASX 😂
Maganda naman itong comaparo nila kaya lng sorry ✌️✌️✌️ medyo nahihirapan lng aq maitindihan yung ibang sinasbai ni sir anton kahit nung nasa autoindustriya p sya ky need kp i-on yung englinsh subs, o baka may kahinaan lng siguro yung boses nya unlike sa ibang kasama nya.
Sana sinama ung yaris cross v variant hehehe
For sure iwan yang dalawa sa Yaris Cross V. NVH lng lamang sila just to be fair
Performance wise pulbos ung yaris cross mu😂
@@christianvigal441 toyota fanboy spotted 😂
Diehatsu ?
@@christianvigal441 hrv turbo iiwan? Do sum research boy bago ka mag compare ng yaris cross mu😂 features lg mahina sa hrv pero performance wise? Toyota ta boy pala to eh to b fair daw
Push DS it will easily reach 100
Why dont you include the Yaris Cross HEV 😂 Baka sa fuel economy for sure win na Yaris Cross, Features and Value for Money as well. For sure NVH lng mananalo yng iba
tska ung build quality na pang wigo
Clearly, the comparo is not about hybrids 😅
Magnolia Dale
No for me
WALA KA NAMAN PAMBILI🤣🤣 Dun ka sa mga Cheap at Disposable Chinese cars na Pangarap mo. Hahahahaha
@@skiriigreen6323 pag sure oi
Yes, skip the daihatsu pls.
More options for the market are always a good thing though
@@TGPMagazineyup. Comparo with Seltos 🙏
To comment on the luggage test of the rear deck, one can actually make the large and medium sized pieces of luggage stand in their side and...
Voila!!! Luggage test passed for the HR-V...
The score should have been 5-2 for the HR-V
and w/ the rear seats folded down the hr-v wins hands down. it has the ULTR seats like on the Jazz
Thanks for the feedback. We were testing capacity with the seats up, since that's the most practical test all things considered. But we will take this in consideration for upcoming tests. Stay tuned!
@@rondg2tingin mo ba hindi naffold yung seats ng Xforce. Naknangtokwa 🫢
@@jajejijoju7106 someone doesn't know what ULTR seats are hahaha. Magic seats nga ang tawag Dyan sa US. They must be magical hahaha
@@rondg2 ahhh. Utility, Long, Tall, Refresh mode ba? Tapos di naman gaano bumebenta HRV noh? Syet lang... 😪
BYD Sealion 6, Gac Emzoom or even the old Coolray is a better buy than these too. a LOOOOT better in performance (almost double HP and torque), Better interior materials, Better NVH almost same tech and features. And Chinese Car parts are actually starting to flood too.
Indeed!
disposable 😂
@@jayson8825 Says the one that doesnt own or even test drove one.
Baduy ng xforce
Magipon ka muna ng pambili. Bigyan kita ng bisikleta eh
@@jajejijoju7106 may kotse ako. Wag mo ko itulad sa iba. And you think maiinvalidate mo ko sa ganyang linyahan?
@@jajejijoju7106 muka talagang jejemon ang xforce tinalo pa xpander
@@edelladelacruz850 pwede ka nang gumising. Wag ka magbabad dyan sa paniginip mo kung saan kahit papano may kotse ka. 😂
@@jajejijoju7106 OK, believe what you wanna believe. But you cannot use that card to invalidate me saying "Baduy ang XForce". Have a better argument.