Microsoft’s MacBook Killer?
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- This week, Marques jumps right into it with Andrew and David about the OpenAI vs Scarlett Johansson drama regarding one of the voices from ChatGPT 4o. Then they dig into the new Surface products from the Microsoft event and David explains why the move to ARM is such a big deal. To close it out they talk about a feature that Rivian is adding to its cars and a different feature Tesla is removing from its cars. Enjoy!
Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:03 OpenAI vs Scarlett Johansson
12:39 OpenAI and Reddit deal
18:56 Circle to Search Coming to iOS
22:14 Decoder Interview with Sundar Pichai
33:21: Shopify (Sponsored)
34:27 Microsoft Event and New Surface Devices
01:07:17 Netsuite (Sponsored)
01:08:20 Rivian x RUclips
01:09:43 Tesla Removes Steam
01:17:19 New Sonos Headphones
01:20:21 Trivia Answers
01:26:43 Outro
Links:
Scarlett Johansson statement: bit.ly/4axIUkb
Wired article David mentions: bit.ly/4c8UpjB
Sci-Fi joke: bit.ly/3UTutkP
MacObserver Circle to Search news: bit.ly/452CGrx
Decoder interview with Sundar Pichai: bit.ly/44S63wF
Dave2D Video: bit.ly/44YWhJk
Rivian Adding RUclips and Cast: bit.ly/44XgmQ6
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MKPHD in the booth 🗣🔥🔥🔥
Yup, I’m 20min in and he’s barely spoke 5 words. Lol
@@TheGreatestJuJu It is said that when facts speak, a wise man listens 🧐
That’s Doctor MKPHD.
Happy for MK, but he did Phd in exactly what ? Can someone please point out, I am not active on other social media.
@LazyEngineerYT In May 2024, Brownlee gave a commencement speech at his alma mater, Stevens Institute of Technology. He also received an honorary Doctorate. The speech is around 7 minutes and can be found on RUclips and elsewhere. It is pretty good, and was his first commencement address.
"misinformation king here" needs to go on the soundboard
Yes!!!!
Well he was just hallucinating like an AI
Repeating the Surface Laptop actively cooled benchmarks against the passively cooled base M3 Air with fewer cores and efficiency cores...
... it's not better. It's just in the same ballpark now (because they used insider knowledge from ex-Apple employees to release an ARM SoC). Where they "win" is on price.
Wait can I get a time stamp?
@@PacKstronaut sorry man I'm not rewatching an entire hour video from 2 weeks ago just so you don't have to. Iirc it was when Ellis was talking about some specs and kept misreading or something, but I could be misremembering
If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike is a peak reference 😭
When I heard it I had to immediately go to the comments hahaha so funny
This is amazing 😭😭😭😭
can you give me a timestamp for it?
@@sumitsaee32:31
It’s an ancient saying in spanish and other roman languages, like italian, and you actually hear it ALL the time in the spanish speaking world, it sounds so weird in English
Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Also I'm glad all y'all are fans of Her, it's also one of my favorite movies
Yeah i'm also a fan of Scarlett Johansson
I was thinking the same thing, they really butchered the quote haha
Hanlon got it ass backward.
Can't wait till my boss can ask my laptop how productive i was.
We'd probably have lost our jobs already at that point...
@@divieee facts
The lot of screenshot will kill the SSD fast, and destroy the evidence.
If my boss asked my laptop about my productivity, I would hope that the AI would hallucinate in my favor.
I usually come in by the side door that way Lundberg can't see me then I just zone out but it looks like I'm working ""
At this point, we're going to need a special Wednesday episode of Marques and Andrew reacting to HER lol please and thank you ❤
Absolutely
Also putting in a request for this
100%
56:03 Them realizing the MacBook square corners on the bottom is such a “now you’re breathing manually” moment. 🤣
Every major LLM has already been trained on Reddit posts. It was the primary reason Reddit closed their API, they wanted to prevent the AI companies from scraping their data. The difference is now they have an official agreement with OpenAI.
yeah :D same with stackoverflow and many news paper sites
Makes sense. Seen Google search referencing a troll post from Reddit using its AI overview feature recently.
It’s not that just the voice sounds like Scarlet, it’s the personality. It behaves just like Samantha from the movie. The laughs, sarcasm, and voice inflections are just like the movie.
Agree. I actually think the voice actor did a great job, it’s a shame Sam didn’t think this through properly, it was by far the most appealing voice for the product.
My Wawa order: tropical fruit smoothie, egg white omelet hoagie, paper towel roll
55:34 : Such an unexpected comment/analogy from Marques on that 150gb storage. Absolutely hilarious! 😂😂😂
"fucksmith pizza glue" just missed the window for the episode...
as soon as they started talking about GPTs training on Reddit, I thought of that Verge article.
"big tech for some reason has an obsession with recreating things in movies that are extremely dystopian"
Oh David, honey, you were thiiiiiis close to getting it...
Dude, I thought the AI dating Smosh skit was made up. I didn't realize bumble was actually doing it 💀
I've vaguely heard about it. As if online dating wasn't soulless enough they go and add AI filtering or whatever? Humanity needs a reboot
Fun fact about New Jersey: There are a large number of inventions originating from New Jersey. Such as the light bulb, the FM radio, and the motion picture camera
Bell Labs baby!
You sure?
Edison had his factory in New Jersey so did Tesla I think
Correction
Bell labs
@@fundoo203 what are you correcting?
How do boats work
Shareholder Value
they float
David is mistaken, before the Surface Pro X there were 3 Windows on Arm PCs that ran on a Snapdragon 835. There was the Asus NovaGo, Hp Envy 2x, and the Lenovo Miix 630. Aside from Surface RT dreams... the Pro X was not the first time they tried and OEMs tried also (Nokia made an RT tablet) it always just sucked.
Was looking for this comment, I personally had a lumia 2520 thay I used for uni with word and a webbroswer and there was some community made methods of emulating x86 apps but it was only for light weight apps and it worked quiet well for that bit that was it
I'm gonna avid arm on windows until I can't anymore...
Like I said these uninformed jocks are trying to inform their audience. Hilarius. They should use copilot to be informed first.
Ellis's laugh iis the most accurate representation of J Jhonna Jameson's laugh
IYKYK😂
For context, all 7 harry potter books make up 1.6 million tokens ~1 million words.
That's because with earlier attempts at ARM PCs there were no options. Everything was phone processors. In fact the surface pro x had a modified Qualcomm 855 processor with added PC necessities like extra PCIe lanes. It wasn't until Qualcomm acquired Nuvia and the key leaders and chip designers behind the M processors that they had a serious chip for PCs.
Marques: "What's Twitter?" 🤣
1:10:58 I work as a test technician for CT scanners. We use an RTX 2080 Ti for reconstructing x-ray slices (between 36 and 1000) into a 3D model. There is a massive processing time difference between a 2080 Ti and a 1080 Ti
it’s possible that Teslas might be using a baller GPU in tandem with their reliance on solely cameras.
The Surface Laptops do NOT have an OLED screen, it's just the Surface Pro. Seems like we have 2 "misinformation kings here" :D
I wouldn’t have a problem with recall if it were opt-in. Having it be opt-out is a massive security risk.
Imagine forgetting to opt-out of a certain website or app with sensitive data, and now you have loads of images of that data stored on your computer. Even if it is encrypted the private key will still have to be kept locally, which means malware will be able to access it. It’s just another attack vector for hackers.
Also public computers will likely have this enabled by default, which means that everything you do will be recorded, and anyone that knows about the feature can access a log of everything you did.
this havr to be a rim by law at some point! like come on.... public computers like that it's death sent
There are actually multiple mountains and ranges in Hawaii FYI. Not to say that Ellis was right, but we got cool hikes and mountain ranges out here dudes!
15:08 brings to mind MKBHD’s old video when they uploaded a video to RUclips and redownload that video and reupload again 200 times to see the compression artifact go crazy bad… 😅
My only fun fact about New Jersey is that I went there during my honeymoon for an NYC helicopter tour and I met Dr. Marques Brownlee himself at the parking lot. He was very nice.
About that recall thing. If I'm doing research, or studying. I think it would be a cool thing to have as a "recall session" rather than something that's defaulted in the system...
lol I don't think Microsoft cares... I don't wanna be rude but they only care of they are getting away with your data. it's sad, I still need windows. we gotta fight back, by saying no, and make them lose a lot of money
49:20 Funny thing is that Robo & Kala's Windows tablet had the Bluetooth keyboard feature already. Btw, another great use of BT keyboard is to put the tablet on a stand (there are plenty of high quality portable stands), closer to eye level, and use it with the wireless keyboard. It's much more ergonomic that way, in fact more ergonomic than a laptop.
yes that's how i use my sp8 w a mag safe ring on it and a small tripod w a magsafe adapter
Regarding browsers - I use Firefox on my Mac and iPhone for a multitude of reasons. It's just better and offers more privacy. There are better browsers for more privacy, but I think Firefox best balances a solid feature set with privacy.
I use it solely for extensions
"I use firefox because the i like the fox in the icon"
yea it'd be nice if all the "alternate" browsers weren't restricted to Webkit, otherwise there'd be even more incentive to use them
Still waiting for a couple of more features to hit Firefox before I main it. Told myself Years ago that I wanted FF to be my default everywhere.
But then I was forced to use Edge for a couple of years and now I cannot NOT have some features that it has on FF.
Fun fact about New Jersey: missing exit on the NJ turnpike adds 25 minutes to your ETA.
Here's some more context on the things David mentioned about LLMs:
2 million tokens is not a small novel. You can feed the entire Harry Potter series with room to spare.
Researchers are working on using synthetic data to train LLMs, but that synthetic data is not just another LLM's output. There are tons of incredibly smart ways researchers have come up with that is not simple enough to be discussed on a tech podcast lol. Those guys are smarter than all of us to know better. Don't underestimate them.
Congrats Marques!!!!🎉🎉🎉 Interesting week!...... been awaiting the pod👊🏽
the segways are amazing don’t stop !!!
segue. A Segway is a personal mobility scooter.
@@cmmartti well to be fair, Segways were amazing too. At least technology-wise.
Is the intro music a different moment from the track ? I feel like it's different in some small ways haha I like it
Recall just seems like a boosted version of the Timeline feature which I'm shocked no one has mentioned
the whole point of circle to search is that its device wide and you can do it in any app, so this is just a new version of lens that uses ai
“the whole point of circle to search is that its device wide and you can do it in any app” google assistant have been able to do so before circle to search
@@fantasytky28when could I circle exactly what I was talking about with google assistant?
@@toptiertech7291 I was talking about "device wide"
Recall feature will be a security vector I bet.
The dead SSD will not reveal too much data, you don't need to be nervous.. it will kill your SSD faster..
Guaranteed! Microsoft knows it too so they would've paid extra attention to it, but again, doesn't mean no will ever find a vulnerability in there even if its going to be more difficult due to extra attention on it.
With recall, I think storage is the concern, since it is stored locally
The new ARM laptops are likely to create a split between laptops, which need power efficiency, and x86 gaming PCs, which need power. It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out.
As someone who grew up in Alaska, I've heard the map thing all too many times. Also, "what currency do you use there", and "what language do people speak there".
Same, I live in southeast with all the cruise ships, and some people ask what elevation they’re at as soon as they step off a boat 🤦♂️
😂😂😂 I find it fascinating how Americans in general know nothing about geography, even about their own country
Yup its officially a Friday
is there meaning in the buzzing sound with red light flashing behind them occasionally?
The only recall we need is like PlayStation and Xbox how you click a button and it literally saves the last 30+ minutes of screen recording. I need that for every device.
Been refreshing my feed for this! 🙌🏻
Hoping you'll talk about Coffeezilla's videos on R1 next week!
Have they ever talked about Coffeezilla in a previous podcast?
let me guess lol R1 it's a scam. I hope he puts that jess behind bars
0:19 nothing better when you make a joke and the whole crew cracks up
It was originally called pro because it came with the pro version of windows instead of the home version. This was important because the pro version had domain support which was needed to connect to business networks.
am i the only one still crazy about those hp envy laptops
Rainy day, at my internship, working on engineering, listening to the pod, amazing combination 🔥
Loving the dream! Have a great weekend
Way to drag out that first trivia segue wow
a little correction about the video games in Tesla - Tesla for years added different games (usually light ones like Solitaire and Soduku, but also "heavier" ones like Cup head) and then they added steam support for their high-end tiers.
You've seen many people play specifically cup-head in their Tesla's since it's a free game that comes with all of their vehicles
29:51 arc search babyyy
So you guys are not going to tell marques he has something on his face the whole time?
Great friends lol
I was thinking the same thing.
If you don't use meters or millimeters, what unit would you use for wavelength (speaking of waveform)? Is it foot, miles :)?
i can’t start my work on Fridays now without having the waveform podcast playing in the background
Now the question is, which one: Surface Laptop 6, Galaxy Book 4 Edge, or Dell XPS 13?
Galaxy Edge gives you a free TV for pre-order so maybe a Galaxy? I wanted to buy a Surface tablet but soon found out that the keyboard was 349...
I just saw a news article about the Dell XPS 13 using tandem OLED which got me really interested.
@@joshking4679 Yeah but that wil take a hit on the battery life.
Yay the WVFRM uploaded!
Yo waveform. Just wondering why this comes out way later on youtube than it does on spotify
Windows 8 RT was on ARM right? So even older.
19:28 id rather just no segue. Just tap your papers on the desk. Turn to another camera. Take a drink of whiskey. Change facial expression dramatically. And start with "And now in other news..."
What's up, people of the internet
I'm MKPHD
Frigging funny episode 😂😂. Haven’t laughed out loud these many times in a podcast episode since ages ago.
The Surface Laptop goes as high as 64 GB RAM, btw.
ALSO that dude was babbling garbage, MS Surface PC is able to run 32 GBs , since I already ordered mine as MS affiliate... what an L
I REALLY want devices without AI... I REALLY HATE AI.
I’m with you. If people don’t use it then companies will stop investing. I’m also really tired of ML being called AI.
Ya i been avoiding yt videos with thumbnails of Ai..
Your sentiment is acknowledged. While not everyone may embrace AI, its capabilities continue to evolve, offering solutions to various challenges and enriching human experiences through innovation and collaboration.
What do you hate about AI? I’d love to know. Because “AI” is just machine learning. The same thing that has been in devices for over a decade now
I’m proud to call myself a neo-Luddite. That being said I don’t think these agents are intelligent, at all. I’m okay with chat bot/assistants for productivity applications, but think generative “AI” needs to be outlawed, full stop. Human creativity is vital for us culturally, socially, spiritually and, well, existentially. Technology is supposed to be used to reduce drudgery in our lives, or AUGMENT our creativity, not become these leviathan plagiarists with the implicit goal of putting creative professionals (of all sorts, I put even, say, taxation accountants and actuaries beneath this rubric) out of work.
Recall can also be a problem for employees as companies will check on their every activity
How neat would it be to have "The Brownley Turnpike" listed in every road atlas, Google Maps, Apple Maps, even Bing Maps...!! Go it team Waveform....get it listed after Marques! 🙂
OMG! You guys have access to the whole internet and got SO MUCH wrong about the Surface devices. I mean, WTH! This is supposed to be a tech channel!
Like?
I've seen articles revealing that the internal comms of openAI reveal the voice actress for "Sky" was hired prior to any contact with Johansson. Would this change y'alls view on the openAI / Scarlett Johansson debacle at all?
What? Why did they approach Johansson if they already hired someone?
@@corvacopia My assumption is that they wanted a well known person like Johansson to be the face of the voice to "bridge the gap between tech companies and creatives and consumers to feel comfortable with the seismic shift concerning humans and AI" (that's a quote from her response about why Sam wanted her and her background). So he liked her voice for it and her being well known to consumers seemed to be a plus (rather than an anonymous woman as it is now)
I said it in another comment, but the voice actor apparently spoke out to say that this is her normal voice. Sure, they may have selected her specifically on purpose, but as long as they don't imply it's Johansson, there's nothing she can do. Sounding similar to a celebrity isn't a crime. Obviously she has the right to be annoyed, but nothing more than that 😅
Btw it would be really funny if Google hires Scarlet Johansson as a big middle finger to OpenAI 😂
@@Dave-cg9li yea I feel like everyone jumped on the "openAI ripped of Scarlett Johansson's voice" train too quickly
Lol, I doubt she'd be interested, but I could see "her" being the new voice for Gemini
Doesn't matter. It is perfectly legal to imitate a person's voice and it can not be copywrited.
Thumbnail-kun needs a raise!!
I’m all here for the Ellis’ Dune obsession. It’s so funny 🤣
39:54 The surface pro X was not the first attempt by Microsoft to run Windows on arm, it's not even the first surface to do it. They actually tried it in 2012 (!) with Windows RT (a version of Windows 8.1).
I know this because my brother and father each bought one not knowing how limited the OS was and absolutely hated it.
My brother now has a Intel surface pro and absolutely loves it. I'm not touching this attempt at Arm until maybe a year or so down the line when others have really tested it.
Also there was sq2 but I don't even know if there were significant changes or just clock speed so it's less important
Wait anyone notice in like 23:00 to 23:06 Theres like a buzzer what's it tie?
Oh my God, the conversation about Hawaii and Alaska had me rolling and dying. It was so funny. 🤣🤣🤣
OpenAI provided all the voice training info on Sky to WaPo - it's not ScarJo's voice FYI - OpenAI has flubbed the optics on this whole thing like crazy, but end of day, they're safe, legally (a 1 word tweet is not enough evidence for anything concrete beyond referencing a movie which also has a talking assistant). Also, the Sky voice was released last year, prior to Sam reaching out to scarjo. Horribly dumb optics (did they not pay attention to the hollywood strike last year?) but I really don't see how OpenAI ends up getting in legal trouble here. that said, its been absolute 🍿 watching how far people have twisted this story on social media.
There is a surprising amount of people that actually hate Windows 11. Microsoft is inserting ads into the settings page now and have been installing bloatware for years, and the fact that you have to pay $100+ for a liscense is just feels like an insult to injury for some.
Yeah it's insulting that people actually have to pay for a product
In 2 weeks I'm expecting Her trivia questions! 😁
Fun fact about New Jersey. It has hosted more episodes of the Wayform podcast than any other state!
🤯
Hot take: the voice of Sky is based on a fictional character in the movie “Her” which happens to be played by Scarlett Johansson.
Johansson should not be able to prevent someone else from creating a parody based off of that fictional character based on the fact that it is flirty and takes form as a similar technology to the one in the film.
While the inflections are similar in many cases, the voice is clearly voiced by a different actor. Any expert could tell you the same.
its insane these guys dont mention the precedent this sets.. it barely sounds like scar jo.. half the guys havent even heard the voice? im done watching these clowns
@@dougpression They were off this episode, but they clearly haven't thought about this deeply from a legal rights issue. I tune in each week and I enjoy their personalities and insight into tech.
I have no doubt, btw, that OpenAI would win the issue in court, but the bad press would negate any winnings. Just goes to show that our creative rights only go so far as the court of public opinion will allow.
Parody or satire might be fair use. But this is not parody. It is commercial use. That the AI is voiced by a different actor is not a good defense. The AI is modeled on Johansson's performance for commercial purposes. This cannot be done without her permission or without compensating her. The producers of the film might also have a case.
@@brachiator1Parody law extends to commercial use, at least in entertainment. Weird Al made a career of it. You may be right that it wouldn't extend outside of entertainment. That said, I don't think parody is what OpenAI is angling for anyway.
If I were OpenAI's attorney and OpenAI were being sued by Johansen I would argue that Johansen's performance in Her doesn't really do anything unique that can be copywritten outside of the actual visual and audio recording made on set. She certainly doesn't doesn't own the rights to be flirtatious and girly. The implications of Johansen winning such a case would severely limit the capability of AI/Human interfaces to imitate personality at all.
Even in the case where OpenAi hired a different voice actor (which they allegedly did) and asked her to reference Johansen's performance in Her I believe they should be completely within their rights to do so. I'd be surprised to learn of any US laws that would actually prevent OpenAI from acting in this way.
I bet the writer/director of Her would have a better legal claim, although it's interesting to note that they probably ripped the concept from Siri.
@@groovejunky2549 A performance in a movie is pretty much by definition unique. It is a set of decisions and choices by the actor and the director. I don't know if the contracts between the actors and producers that cover a similar area are available to the public, but they might be referred to in any legal dispute based on similar claims. It will be interesting to see what might happen in the future and what the outcome might be.
5:10. I hate that Sound Effect.. it's Very Disturbing
Please stop for the god Sake
With federated learning, the Small Language Model on your laptop will be used to update their LLMs
It would be cool to hear about the iOS issue
The sky voice has been around for a while. It's not new. I don't think it sounds anything like Scarlett Johansson at all. It does sound a little bit like the way the character in the Her movie talked, but that wasn't particularly unique to that movie.
Yeah it doesn't take much time to know that Sky voice has been available for more than 8 months now, Scarlett Johansson's open letter is purposely misleading so that her lawyers can put more pressure on OpenAI to settle it financially out of court by influencing the public opinion.
I thought I was the only one. Sky doesn't sound like scarlett to me.
Yeah it doesn't take much time to know that Sky voice has been available for more than 8 months now, Scarlett Johansson's open letter is purposely misleading so that her lawyers can put more pressure on OpenAI to settle with her financially out of court.
Yeah, it doesn't take much time to know that Sky voice has been available for more than 8 months now, Scarlett Johansson's open letter is deliberately misleading so that her lawyers can put more pressure on OpenAI to settle with her out of court.
Yes, it doesn't take much time to know that Sky Voice has been available for more than 8 months now. Scarlett Johansson's open letter is deliberately misleading so that her lawyers can put more pressure on OpenAI to settle with her out of court.
Algo
Thank you for introducing me to the “If my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a bicycle” video. 😂
Windows on ARM, started with Windows 8 with the Surface RT they had some ARM involvement earlier than that even, but this should be the earliest customer facing device that most would have used.
Listening to them describe the Microsoft/Qualcomm tech is just painful! This is supposed to be a tech channel, but I am starting to wonder if you guys know anything beyond phones and Apple products. Like wow, it is super-obvious that you guys don't understand much beyond Apple tech. Microsoft's "Neural Engine?" Because he screwed up describing NPU's? BTW, it Trillian's of Operations (TOPs) and not "FLOPS" which is a different computer calculation. I get that you focused on consumer tech, but geesh, I would hate for consumers to hear this, because they'd be as confused as the "Experts" at MKBHD. Come on guys, be better than this!
Wild how unenthusiastic Marques seems in this podcast lol. First time watching, is this vibe normal?
It's cause he knew you were here.
For the scenarios andrew mentioned about missing a video or tweet during a refresh, I just use the instant replay record feature of windows game bar or Nvidia GeForce. I leave those running all the time and i just hit the hot key to save the recording if I need to back track.
I scrub the footage and find what I need and then delete!
The rounded corners are great but not a new feature to the Surface laptop lineup. The surface Laptop Studio screen has always had the rounded corners top and bottom.
The only thing Microsoft is killing is themselves
Their capitalisation value speaks a different story
@@TheTytan007 no way really? oh my god who knew
They’re also killing my interest in the iPad
Can I make a suggestion? You all have someone on the podcast who's a specialist on sound, cameras, phones, computers and the internet. But when you all start talking about AI, you get a lot of things wrong. Since AI isn't going anywhere, can I suggest that someone do a deep dive and understanding it so you all will no longer have that deficit?
What about doing one of those deep dive episodes on how LLMS work so that everyone on the team will understand forever?
Recall is uncomfortably similar to keylogging.
As soon as you mentioned photocopies of photocopies I thought of the uploading to internet 1k times video.... nice
Is this podcast falling into the inevitable mediocrity and conformism? What is going on? 😅
You don't have to watch bro.
It’s the same as always lol, why even say this
David’s Scarlet/Samantha impression at 7:11 surprised me.
David is the only actively thinking and reasoning member of the team, and it’s scary.
The surface pro with oled 16gb/512gb x elite was $1349 + tax. I guess pre-order discount
Do we know what the GPU power of the Snapdragon X Elite chip is? (such as relative to current NVIDIA GPUs)