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thanks for confirming everything. I agree with you that there is still a manual process pre levelling for the best outcome. One thing I found was that one or two taps of the portafilter to the table, to "settle" the coffee pre levelling, helped alot to get a consistent puck without channelling.
I got hold of a similar device form Amazon and have been experimenting with it on a Breville Grinder with a couple of Coffee Machines, but mostly my old(ish) Duo-Temp Pro. I designed a Dosing Funnel around the OCD that clips to the 58mm basket, and has a little ledge around the bottom that the OCD tool can spin on. A standard Breville Tamper, or any 58mm Tamp Tool can fit through the hole. I found that if I zero the basket with the funnel fitted, on the scale Grind into the funnel / basket and check the weight on the scale I get a consistent weight. If the weight changes, I know I have to adjust the grinder settings (For my coffee I use either 19 or 21 grams depending which shape basket I'm using. Mainly because that gives me 50 cups a kilo.) Then I tap the basket (with the funnel attached to avoid spills) to level the grinds Next I gently lower the OCD onto the ledge - Keeping it level and Turning it a little as I go, until it rests on the ledge. As it touches the ledge I can spin it I preset the depth to make the end result pretty well Tamped. Remove the OCD and place the Tamp Tool through the Funnel onto the level grounds Remove the Funnel, lifting it up with the Tamp Tool in place Press on the rim of the Tamp Tool to make sure the puck is tamped 'Fingertip Tight' and taking care not to disturb the 'level surface. A quick twist to make sure the puck is still polished. Then I watch the result through the Naked Portafilter. It doesn;t take as long to do as it does to read the description. It DOES however, give a pretty well perfect extraction for a Home Machine, every time - with the proviso that once in a while the grinder needs 'tweaking' if only one person is using a kilo of beans a month. It took me a while to work out that the thing 'does' tamp the puck if it is set (and used) properly, and often there's absolutely no movement when the actual tamper is inserted and pressed. Used properly each drink tastes exactly the same until the beans change enough for the grinder to need adjusting. Usually for me, once in about 10 days.
I got one from Aliexpres. If found it easier than my standard tamper. My puck is more level then before when I tamped with a loose hand and a tamper without height limiter. Pressure is regulated with this one. I am an amateur and it has standardized my coffee greatly. I understand professionals have more feeling and know how to tamp. Tx for the vid
Same here I bought a combo leveling/tamp from AliExpress and I’m very impressed by it. Yes, I level off on grind in the basket first, then use the level side if the tamp, then press down to the correct depth in the basket. I saw a quite a bit of difference in the extraction straight away. Now I use it every time. Best $35 on a tool I’ve spent. People at work are quite impressed with it.
I’m using it every day, think it’s works well. Bought it in Australia Melbourne 4 years ago first edition But you have a good point it my be better to first ground coffee in a container and then wipe it over to portafilter. Thanks for the tip. Swedish Christer
Great video brother. I have had one for about 6 months now, I agree 100% with what you said. You still need to pay attention to distribute well before you use the tool. Having said that, I love mine and am very satisfied with the purchase. Keep up the videos, I'm liking everything about it so far.
Good video. I would say that using an OCD with no form of pre-distribution does not effectively distribute the coffee grounds. If you look at Sasa and Hugh Kelly (competitors at the World Barista championship), they always performed a series of half stockfleth prior to using the tool, so it was an almost even bed of coffee prior to OCD dist. Read up on some Scott Rao and his look into the effect of finger swiping causing a tamping effect (the baristas handbook), due to this he is an advocate of the Scottie Callaghan dosing tools, and you could surmise that if you had an uneven bed of coffee and you pushed an OCD tool into it, it will tamp (compact) the higher levels of the coffee plane, before distribution occurs. I think the tool is useful in making a nice flat bed to tamp, and to assist in keep tamping level, if you are using a standard tamper.
What I do that is quick for me I grind full into basket with a cheap espresso funnel on top Slide funnel off to the side ...filling in remaining empty places and leaving a flat filled basket Polish and tamp with a leveler adjusted to required depth Finished
Another great video. I have an OCD and your tips were helpful, but I work at home so the small extra time is not a factor as it would be for production. Thanks!
What I'm doing is I'm using a metal funnel on top of my basket and grinding directly into the basket (and weighing the entire portafilter including the funnel). Then before removing the funnel I just give it a thorough shake, which I find gives me a reasonably even distribution and then my OCD (or rather my OCD clone) is able to take it from there. Then it's on to tamping and brewing as usual.
I saw another video where the person turned the tool counter-clockwise. He got bashed in the comments. But turning counter-clockwise made sense to me as the fins actually move and distribute the grounds. It seems to me that just turning clockwise only smoothens the top of the puck and does not actually distribute the grounds. What do you think? Have you experimented with first turning counter-clockwise to distribute, and then turning clockwise to smoothen the top of the puck?
Yes it’s a very interesting concept, I feel shifting a large amount around would work, and yes it makes sense on the thought process. We tried it counter then clock wise and the correct way looks better for sure. We have not tested it with measuring TDS etc with this concept
I have a coffee distributor, but it's not an OCD, it a 2in1 distributor and tamer in 1, I only use the distributing side, and use a normal tamper to tamp my coffee
I would have thought it would be common sense to even out the grinds (with finger or another tool) before using a distribution tool. Would have been great if you gave your opinion on doing that. Did you include that in your tests? What would be your thoughts with that in mind? I usually “even it out” with my finger then use the distribution tool so it’s somewhat flat rather than a big mound in the middle. After that a light tamp.
Sure we used to use our fingers a lot, it was our standard. But there has been lots of customer feedback to not touch the coffee, it’s worse now with COVID, so we have encouraged many to tap with hand to even out the coffee bed then use a distributor tool
He got the question point in his first testing I am always question about the OCD. If the first step is not even enough, OCD works even worth. good to share~
I don't tamp my coffee, because tamp pressure is irrelevant and use the leveler as my tamp that way it'll be always consistent. Takes a bit to adjust the ocd depth. Also didn't notice any changes when tamping and not tamping
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters at home we have the Breville BES870XL/A. At the bakery training site they just installed a more professional machine. Any comments on use w. Breville
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters Well I am still looking to get started with a semi machine and grinder... I like to know for my new setup ;) Can you test this maybe?
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters if this gives the same good results, it can save time and money for a tamper or tamping machine. I guess you did knock and level the grind a bit in the basket before using the distribution tool? I am aiming not to use any fingers to touch the coffee. And how can you set a good depth for the tool? Maybe spending another video for this? 👍🤪😎
Hello. I justed wanted to let you know that i would be beneficial if you do some research before telling people about it. firstly its not made to save your time secoudly at 2:25 what you mentioned is correct. so why are you talking about that because ona coffee said its not here to save your time and you never need to use a tamper agian nono its here to make it better, andd ona said that you still use tamper.
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thanks for confirming everything. I agree with you that there is still a manual process pre levelling for the best outcome. One thing I found was that one or two taps of the portafilter to the table, to "settle" the coffee pre levelling, helped alot to get a consistent puck without channelling.
I got hold of a similar device form Amazon and have been experimenting with it on a Breville Grinder with a couple of Coffee Machines, but mostly my old(ish) Duo-Temp Pro.
I designed a Dosing Funnel around the OCD that clips to the 58mm basket, and has a little ledge around the bottom that the OCD tool can spin on. A standard Breville Tamper, or any 58mm Tamp Tool can fit through the hole.
I found that if I zero the basket with the funnel fitted, on the scale
Grind into the funnel / basket and check the weight on the scale
I get a consistent weight. If the weight changes, I know I have to adjust the grinder settings
(For my coffee I use either 19 or 21 grams depending which shape basket I'm using. Mainly because that gives me 50 cups a kilo.)
Then I tap the basket (with the funnel attached to avoid spills) to level the grinds
Next I gently lower the OCD onto the ledge - Keeping it level and Turning it a little as I go, until it rests on the ledge.
As it touches the ledge I can spin it
I preset the depth to make the end result pretty well Tamped.
Remove the OCD and place the Tamp Tool through the Funnel onto the level grounds
Remove the Funnel, lifting it up with the Tamp Tool in place
Press on the rim of the Tamp Tool to make sure the puck is tamped 'Fingertip Tight' and taking care not to disturb the 'level surface.
A quick twist to make sure the puck is still polished.
Then I watch the result through the Naked Portafilter.
It doesn;t take as long to do as it does to read the description.
It DOES however, give a pretty well perfect extraction for a Home Machine, every time - with the proviso that once in a while the grinder needs 'tweaking' if only one person is using a kilo of beans a month.
It took me a while to work out that the thing 'does' tamp the puck if it is set (and used) properly, and often there's absolutely no movement when the actual tamper is inserted and pressed. Used properly each drink tastes exactly the same until the beans change enough for the grinder to need adjusting. Usually for me, once in about 10 days.
Thanks for the info. Sounds like you got it standardised and the age is the only control you need to manage from here Cheers Luke
As a home user, i normally perform : WDT -> Tapping -> OCD -> TAMPING. This works pretty well so far. 😃
Same workflow. And puck screen after tamping.
I got one from Aliexpres. If found it easier than my standard tamper. My puck is more level then before when I tamped with a loose hand and a tamper without height limiter. Pressure is regulated with this one. I am an amateur and it has standardized my coffee greatly. I understand professionals have more feeling and know how to tamp. Tx for the vid
Same here I bought a combo leveling/tamp from AliExpress and I’m very impressed by it. Yes, I level off on grind in the basket first, then use the level side if the tamp, then press down to the correct depth in the basket. I saw a quite a bit of difference in the extraction straight away. Now I use it every time. Best $35 on a tool I’ve spent. People at work are quite impressed with it.
I’m using it every day, think it’s works well. Bought it in Australia Melbourne 4 years ago first edition But you have a good point it my be better to first ground coffee in a container and then wipe it over to portafilter. Thanks for the tip. Swedish Christer
Great video brother.
I have had one for about 6 months now, I agree 100% with what you said.
You still need to pay attention to distribute well before you use the tool.
Having said that, I love mine and am very satisfied with the purchase.
Keep up the videos, I'm liking everything about it so far.
Thanks Corey, I love mine too but for totally different reasons I thought I would before buying it! :)
Good video. I would say that using an OCD with no form of pre-distribution does not effectively distribute the coffee grounds. If you look at Sasa and Hugh Kelly (competitors at the World Barista championship), they always performed a series of half stockfleth prior to using the tool, so it was an almost even bed of coffee prior to OCD dist.
Read up on some Scott Rao and his look into the effect of finger swiping causing a tamping effect (the baristas handbook), due to this he is an advocate of the Scottie Callaghan dosing tools, and you could surmise that if you had an uneven bed of coffee and you pushed an OCD tool into it, it will tamp (compact) the higher levels of the coffee plane, before distribution occurs.
I think the tool is useful in making a nice flat bed to tamp, and to assist in keep tamping level, if you are using a standard tamper.
yes a great summary, thank you
Yes due to COVID finger swiping is a BIG NONO.
I thought this will level it all the way in but it’s not. Thanks for clearing that up.
Great info I thought the same with speeding the process up but great point on pre tamp and the best process to use it. Thanks
What I do that is quick for me
I grind full into basket with a cheap espresso funnel on top
Slide funnel off to the side ...filling in remaining empty places and leaving a flat filled basket
Polish and tamp with a leveler adjusted to required depth
Finished
very useful information, thank you, now I know what is important in the process of tamping
Another great video. I have an OCD and your tips were helpful, but I work at home so the small extra time is not a factor as it would be for production. Thanks!
thank you
What I'm doing is I'm using a metal funnel on top of my basket and grinding directly into the basket (and weighing the entire portafilter including the funnel). Then before removing the funnel I just give it a thorough shake, which I find gives me a reasonably even distribution and then my OCD (or rather my OCD clone) is able to take it from there. Then it's on to tamping and brewing as usual.
Love it!
Thanks Joel,
Do you show the distribution technique with your finger in more detail on another video ?
No, with covid we have found that there is a lot of public negativity on using your now so we have decided not to share this training
I saw another video where the person turned the tool counter-clockwise. He got bashed in the comments. But turning counter-clockwise made sense to me as the fins actually move and distribute the grounds. It seems to me that just turning clockwise only smoothens the top of the puck and does not actually distribute the grounds.
What do you think?
Have you experimented with first turning counter-clockwise to distribute, and then turning clockwise to smoothen the top of the puck?
Yes it’s a very interesting concept, I feel shifting a large amount around would work, and yes it makes sense on the thought process. We tried it counter then clock wise and the correct way looks better for sure. We have not tested it with measuring TDS etc with this concept
Try the Jack leveller
we will look into them! Thanks
I have a coffee distributor, but it's not an OCD, it a 2in1 distributor and tamer in 1, I only use the distributing side, and use a normal tamper to tamp my coffee
This is really educational, thank you
Thanks Callum glad to hear you liked it.
I would have thought it would be common sense to even out the grinds (with finger or another tool) before using a distribution tool.
Would have been great if you gave your opinion on doing that. Did you include that in your tests? What would be your thoughts with that in mind?
I usually “even it out” with my finger then use the distribution tool so it’s somewhat flat rather than a big mound in the middle.
After that a light tamp.
Sure we used to use our fingers a lot, it was our standard. But there has been lots of customer feedback to not touch the coffee, it’s worse now with COVID, so we have encouraged many to tap with hand to even out the coffee bed then use a distributor tool
He got the question point in his first testing I am always question about the OCD. If the first step is not even enough, OCD works even worth. good to share~
why you always questioning it? you cant trust the most successful speciality coffee company?
I don't tamp my coffee, because tamp pressure is irrelevant and use the leveler as my tamp that way it'll be always consistent. Takes a bit to adjust the ocd depth. Also didn't notice any changes when tamping and not tamping
yes that's interesting, the grind is doing all the work!
our shop has special need young adults w/ various disabilities as barista. This device looks like it may improve consistency
Yes it will. The puqpress would also help with the tamping
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters at home we have the Breville BES870XL/A. At the bakery training site they just installed a more professional machine. Any comments on use w. Breville
Love this comment supporting people with special needs promoting diversity in the workforce.
Can you use only the OCD, and do not use any other tamping? (I guess to set the leveler with some more depth as you suggest.)
@Philippe Rosier We haven't tried that one! Interesting idea, let us know how it goes for you........
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters Well I am still looking to get started with a semi machine and grinder... I like to know for my new setup ;) Can you test this maybe?
@@PhilippeCJR For sure!
@@PhilippeCJR WOW just gave it a go and initial results seem good! I would love to give this a bit more time in the future but it defiantly works!
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters if this gives the same good results, it can save time and money for a tamper or tamping machine. I guess you did knock and level the grind a bit in the basket before using the distribution tool? I am aiming not to use any fingers to touch the coffee. And how can you set a good depth for the tool? Maybe spending another video for this? 👍🤪😎
Great video mate.
Glad you enjoyed it :)
I've not come across a perfect little dosing pot like that before - where did you pick it up from?!
The plastic tubs are Décor Go 35ml Dressing Tubs. You should be able to get them at most supermarkets.
Artisti Coffee Roasters. It’s not the 35ml size. Those are tiny. Is it the 150ml size maybe?
What is this plastic cup that seems to be commonly used for distribution?
Hey guys, love the vids. Where do you guys get those little containers for transferring the coffee from grinder to portafilter?
In Aus we get them from Spotlight. :)
if after grinding coffee, i quickly tap it by hand then put it in the puqpress, how does the quality? Thanks
One of the shops I work at has a Puqpress; I'll let you know soon!
Video star at 04:50.
Did you say dosie pot?
Dosing pot. 👍🏻
@@ArtistiCoffeeRoasters love you vid! I’ve smashed the like button and I encourage everyone to do the same. Love you, bud!
Hello. I justed wanted to let you know that i would be beneficial if you do some research before telling people about it. firstly its not made to save your time secoudly at 2:25 what you mentioned is correct. so why are you talking about that because ona coffee said its not here to save your time and you never need to use a tamper agian nono its here to make it better, andd ona said that you still use tamper.
have you copied amazon lol with your logo
😂 looks similar, but no it’s a different font. 🤙🏻
This is sasha original video from 2017.
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