Btw Whiskey when you're trading strategic resources to an AI they will initially (most of the time) say they will only accept 1 gold per turn. However, if you increase the amount of gold yourself and then ask what they will accept then the true acceptance value will be shown - I've found it's a pretty useful way to generate money during the early game and snow balling because of it...
I'm far from qualified to give you strategic advice Potato, but I do at least have some thoughts to share. I think your play in this game is falling a little short of your usual level for a few reasons: 1) I think you're rushing yourself a bit more than usual. Maybe this is for the entertainment side, you don't want to be sitting and thinking for ages while recording, but you're missing things and making careless mistakes as a result. Things like not spotting much better campus locations (you bought your way to a +3 campus when there was a free +5 in range), not paying enough attention to trade deals and potential to make much needed money through them, forgetting to take the flanking civic for so long etc. Several minor things, but they add up. 2) while I agree with not overly relying on city states (I have noticed the ai is MUCH fonder of trying to remove your suzeranty the moment you go to war with them in this expansion), I think exploiting Hungary's district over river bonus a little more would have helped. +50% production is a lot, essentially cutting 1/3rd off the build times of many districts potentially. On the other hand I'm not 100% sure about this one, it's still worth taking a good adjacency bonus but I'd probably say sacrificing 1 point of adjacency for campuses is worth it for cutting out 1/3rd of the build time for the campus and Library. That said, I do agree you've gotten some rotten luck in this game. This is turning into quite a brutal game for you just because of the barbarians and other factors. I feel like there's a significant bug in how barbarians are spawned, possibly something like it's only spawning them on one continent or something weird like that.
I'd say with hungary it's worth it to go for the river bonuses and ignore adjacency. You get so much extra yield from your envoys at CS that it's much better to just have more districts and more buildings rather than good adjacency.
i remember in one he said he is a lefty so that explains a lot of his mistakes that i have noticed. one game he was complaining about one city not having any food as he literally hovers over a pillaged orange grove which would have given him 4f yet he builds a mine and ignores it for a whole freaking video. same game he complains about no gold yet 3 times passes on building a trader in 3 turns for an aquaduct ffs. he did this quite a few times. he seems to be completely blind to certain things and having worked with a lefty it is infuriating. he continually lets barb camps just hang around yet whines about them when units rush to his cities after remarking the scout just took off after spotting his city. he has adjacency shit on lock(lefty shit) but he completely misses the common sense shit. he should know by now get rid of barb camps especially since he always goes for horses first which means once researched if it pops up(and it has) he gets the rush. i watch and am incredulous how he wins when he misses so much low hanging fruit all the freaking time.
@@jbbj9720 He is still really good at this game. For everything he misses he is making great decisions about stuff that other people like ourselves would've missed. I'm not sure what being left-handed has to do with it...
If you can get 6-8 cities with colonization card in good locations without too much loyalty, its better to do that, build up to 1000gold, and then push into Shaka with levied muskets from the 2 city states.
I dont think its just you. In my diety games it still very much feels the AI is playing against me with full knowledge of what I am doing in my empire rather than trying to win.
You could consider building the water mill before other buildings because its production bonus will pay for itself quicker and you get the other buildings faster.
In my experience Hungary can be really strong. For example, i had a game with having 5 envoys in turn 19 in one cs. The AI can't compete with that, but you need to find an envoy in tribal village and have an easy quest + the envoy for making contact first. That is a lot of 'if' , too many to make it reliable.
You are playing this game very well but damn you are playing Hungary terribly. At turn 96 you have 2 districts across a river from a city center but both aren't even built, just placed. You've yet to levy any troops. 50% production to a district is decent but the big thing is that its 50% to the buildings too. That's a faster market for trade routes, faster libraries for a quick early game science boost - something you were trying to do anyways. Levying gives you free envoys, levy Antioch then move amani to a new city state so you can control both. Then use those levied units to scout. Open border the Zulu to see what they're doing, you were slow to explore because of all of the early barbs but you could've easily had 5 swordsmen roaming for 30 turns. You're doing well as a player but you are not using your civ at all.
Trading strategics is so buggy and exploitable... especially when you're a bit ahead and don't fight much. If you sell 50, they might give you 3 per turn plus 3 direct. If you give them 1, they give you... the same amount. A lot of clicking, but you can effectively rob the AI.^^ Also, buying strategics is always cheaper 1 by 1 as well. Buy 1 - pay 5. Buy 2 - pay 20. Buy 50 - pay 200 gold per turn and 12 extra.^^
Bruh i was selling 1 oil for 300 gold to AI when I went tech heavy and got it quite early, was ridiculous, managed to go from 200 gold to nearly 10k in one turn.
Man, I REALLY wish they buffed the Cree in this expansion. Could you imagine if the Cree got something like 10 Diplomatic favor each time they completed an international trade route? Give them some buffs related to the diplomatic branch!!! Please firaxis
I'm curious who took suzerianity from you. Shaka declared war on the city state before declaring war on you (you got grievances when he did), so it wouldn't have been him. That really is rotten luck.
Gotta put a strong emphasis on gold. Commercial hubs in every city. Prioritize gold. If you get bought out, simply buy them back. Get bought out. Buy them back again. You should be aiming to be rich in the city-state strategy. And fully upgrade Amani for the 6 envoys. Every few turns, levy a city state. Can't levy it? Put amani there, levy, then pull her out in the same turn. Gold is more important than science, culture, or faith. You wanna be levying every few turns. And you want to put heavy emphasis on the Pearl of the Danube ability to get your districts online quick. Everytime you have enough gold to levy, do so. That's 2 free envoys every time.
@@PotatoMcWhiskey That someone didn't read the ability. You can even see in this video. At 11:10 you place the encampment of Székesfehérvár and once placed it's still shows 22 turns to build - same as in the list of districts before placing. However a minute later when placing a comm hub of Eger, once placed the before shown turns to build reduces because it is placed on the river opposite of the city center. And I hope you take care of Eger Potato, thats where I live IRL ;)
@@ulmo3538 They cant mass produce impis faster than the other guy can mass produce swordsmen though. Impis are 125 production even with their 37.5% discount from normal pikemen, and swordsmen are only 90 production. And for corps, yes they can produce them earlier but that sounds like an excellent reason to hit them hard, fast and first before they can, does it not?
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Well if youre gonna get all face-shooty about it! :P Aaaaaaand I'm now up to the point in the vid where the zulu forced your hand so no face-shooting yet. Hmm, I think part of the issue is that I tend to play a longer-paced game (epic or marathon speed rather than normal) which restricts the AI's capabilities vis-a-vis city states, AND I go for the swordsman sperg which I think gives the AI less chance to save up envoys to gank me. I missed it- did you do their quests for free envoys? Nm, clicked around the vid and see you did get their quest.
That Hungarian folk song though :))) It has a secondary somewhat lewd meaning (as most folk songs seeming innocent do) Hej, Dunáról fúj a szél, (Hey, the wind blows from the Danube) Szegény embert mindig ér (It always hits the poor man) Dunáról fúj a szél (the wind blows from the Danube) Ha Dunáról nem fújna, (if it would not blow from the Danube) Ilyen hideg sem volna (there would not be this cold) Dunáról fúj a szél (the wind blows from the Danube) Hej Jancsika, Jancsika, (Hey Johnny Johnny) Mér' nem nőttél nagyobbra (why have you not grown bigger) Dunáról fúj a szél. (the wind blows from the Danube) Nőttél volna nagyobbra (had you grown larger) Lettél volna katona (you could have been a soldier) Dunáról fúj a szél. (the wind blows from the Danube) Hej, Dunáról fúj a szél, (the wind blows from the Danube) Feküdj mellém majd nem ér (lay next to me then it won't reach you) Dunáról fúj a szél. (the wind blows from the Danube) Nem fekszem én kend mellé, (I won't lay next to you) mert nem leszek a kendé (because I won't be yours) Dunáról fúj a szél. (the wind blows from the Danube) Na-na-na…
You should check how to pronounce the names of the cities.. :D 'Győr' it's a hard language but we Hungarians would appreciate if you at least try to. Keep up the good work!
I love how much potato defends himself when we critique him in the comments lol. Ya know we love u too potato;)
damn we can feel the effect of the salt mines during the last minutes..
It was pretty horseshit that he immediately lost the CS. I was angry alongside him
i swear to god, zulu better not in a golden age...
**checks, seeing he did get a golden age**
...
okay guys, this video ends here.
xxUrek 😂😂😂😂
HAHA I WAS SUPPOSED TO COMMENT THIS TOO
ngl watching potato lose would be really satisfying
Btw Whiskey when you're trading strategic resources to an AI they will initially (most of the time) say they will only accept 1 gold per turn. However, if you increase the amount of gold yourself and then ask what they will accept then the true acceptance value will be shown - I've found it's a pretty useful way to generate money during the early game and snow balling because of it...
accross a river too
way too finicky for me to care about tbh
10:12 You said "Sure thing, I'll go for that" but then refused the deal...
They SWAPPED THE BUTTONS MAN
Firaxis is trolling us xD
I hesitate every time before I click, so irritating.
41:50 "we're not too far behind"
**literally the last place on science**
Unfortunatelty the river bonus doesn't work like you think. It only counts for tiles across a river AND adjacent to the city center.
I'm far from qualified to give you strategic advice Potato, but I do at least have some thoughts to share. I think your play in this game is falling a little short of your usual level for a few reasons:
1) I think you're rushing yourself a bit more than usual. Maybe this is for the entertainment side, you don't want to be sitting and thinking for ages while recording, but you're missing things and making careless mistakes as a result. Things like not spotting much better campus locations (you bought your way to a +3 campus when there was a free +5 in range), not paying enough attention to trade deals and potential to make much needed money through them, forgetting to take the flanking civic for so long etc. Several minor things, but they add up.
2) while I agree with not overly relying on city states (I have noticed the ai is MUCH fonder of trying to remove your suzeranty the moment you go to war with them in this expansion), I think exploiting Hungary's district over river bonus a little more would have helped. +50% production is a lot, essentially cutting 1/3rd off the build times of many districts potentially. On the other hand I'm not 100% sure about this one, it's still worth taking a good adjacency bonus but I'd probably say sacrificing 1 point of adjacency for campuses is worth it for cutting out 1/3rd of the build time for the campus and Library.
That said, I do agree you've gotten some rotten luck in this game. This is turning into quite a brutal game for you just because of the barbarians and other factors. I feel like there's a significant bug in how barbarians are spawned, possibly something like it's only spawning them on one continent or something weird like that.
I'd say with hungary it's worth it to go for the river bonuses and ignore adjacency. You get so much extra yield from your envoys at CS that it's much better to just have more districts and more buildings rather than good adjacency.
Agree, it's like watching speed chess
i remember in one he said he is a lefty so that explains a lot of his mistakes that i have noticed. one game he was complaining about one city not having any food as he literally hovers over a pillaged orange grove which would have given him 4f yet he builds a mine and ignores it for a whole freaking video. same game he complains about no gold yet 3 times passes on building a trader in 3 turns for an aquaduct ffs. he did this quite a few times. he seems to be completely blind to certain things and having worked with a lefty it is infuriating. he continually lets barb camps just hang around yet whines about them when units rush to his cities after remarking the scout just took off after spotting his city. he has adjacency shit on lock(lefty shit) but he completely misses the common sense shit. he should know by now get rid of barb camps especially since he always goes for horses first which means once researched if it pops up(and it has) he gets the rush. i watch and am incredulous how he wins when he misses so much low hanging fruit all the freaking time.
@@jbbj9720 He is still really good at this game. For everything he misses he is making great decisions about stuff that other people like ourselves would've missed. I'm not sure what being left-handed has to do with it...
@@jeremyjones2361 i think i explained it pretty well. you can google it as it is a thing.
If you can get 6-8 cities with colonization card in good locations without too much loyalty, its better to do that, build up to 1000gold, and then push into Shaka with levied muskets from the 2 city states.
I dont think its just you. In my diety games it still very much feels the AI is playing against me with full knowledge of what I am doing in my empire rather than trying to win.
"we're not too far behind" *10+ techs behind*
The abundance of salt mine in your empire should be an omen of what this game would be ;)
You could consider building the water mill before other buildings because its production bonus will pay for itself quicker and you get the other buildings faster.
In my experience Hungary can be really strong. For example, i had a game with having 5 envoys in turn 19 in one cs. The AI can't compete with that, but you need to find an envoy in tribal village and have an easy quest + the envoy for making contact first. That is a lot of 'if' , too many to make it reliable.
You hold onto you envoys, thats why. Pump them in as a buffer before you levy
You are playing this game very well but damn you are playing Hungary terribly. At turn 96 you have 2 districts across a river from a city center but both aren't even built, just placed. You've yet to levy any troops.
50% production to a district is decent but the big thing is that its 50% to the buildings too. That's a faster market for trade routes, faster libraries for a quick early game science boost - something you were trying to do anyways.
Levying gives you free envoys, levy Antioch then move amani to a new city state so you can control both. Then use those levied units to scout. Open border the Zulu to see what they're doing, you were slow to explore because of all of the early barbs but you could've easily had 5 swordsmen roaming for 30 turns.
You're doing well as a player but you are not using your civ at all.
You missed a +5 campus in Obuda at 25:44
Yup, I clicked too quick.
also used funds to do it - god damn it man that was painful to see
He would also get +50% Production boost towards it too...
The levy is best very early before there are a lot of envoys around and the opponent hasn't got walls up yet.
You can buy or build siege towers, that helps a lot. The best case scenario would be to have Akkad in game.
People watch you for you, so play the game how you want and don't worry so much about all the backseat gamers on youtube
I didn't catch your difficulty level, but I'm amazed neither Zulu nor Assyria tore through your unprotected cities like a bowling ball.
I remember when Spud used to respond to my comments 😢 I used to be the friendly neighborhood troll on his streams
Trading strategics is so buggy and exploitable... especially when you're a bit ahead and don't fight much. If you sell 50, they might give you 3 per turn plus 3 direct. If you give them 1, they give you... the same amount. A lot of clicking, but you can effectively rob the AI.^^
Also, buying strategics is always cheaper 1 by 1 as well. Buy 1 - pay 5. Buy 2 - pay 20. Buy 50 - pay 200 gold per turn and 12 extra.^^
not only that, but if you ask what the AI wants to give you for things, when their side is empty, they'll say 1gold. period. stupid annoying bug
Bruh i was selling 1 oil for 300 gold to AI when I went tech heavy and got it quite early, was ridiculous, managed to go from 200 gold to nearly 10k in one turn.
Man, I REALLY wish they buffed the Cree in this expansion. Could you imagine if the Cree got something like 10 Diplomatic favor each time they completed an international trade route? Give them some buffs related to the diplomatic branch!!! Please firaxis
What difficulty is this? It seems that you are doing really fine, despite not playing optimally...
You need to spawn more City states before starting the game, then the „Hungarian Strategy“ should work out fine.
i levied some units last game and the ai shoved in 8 or so envoys all my units disappeared after i upgraded them
I'm curious who took suzerianity from you. Shaka declared war on the city state before declaring war on you (you got grievances when he did), so it wouldn't have been him. That really is rotten luck.
the zulu would need iron to build their impis. maybe check and see if they have any. cant build special units anymore without having the resource
9:25 I dont think that's how that bonus work, not sure right now but I think it states "across a river from a city center" doesnt it?
I was told as long as its over a river it works. I operating under the assumption that this is correct
@@PotatoMcWhiskey I'll get back to you after I do some testing
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Did some testing and I can confirm that the district needs to be adjacent to the city center and across a rive to get the bonus
Gotta put a strong emphasis on gold. Commercial hubs in every city. Prioritize gold.
If you get bought out, simply buy them back. Get bought out. Buy them back again. You should be aiming to be rich in the city-state strategy. And fully upgrade Amani for the 6 envoys. Every few turns, levy a city state. Can't levy it? Put amani there, levy, then pull her out in the same turn.
Gold is more important than science, culture, or faith.
You wanna be levying every few turns. And you want to put heavy emphasis on the Pearl of the Danube ability to get your districts online quick. Everytime you have enough gold to levy, do so. That's 2 free envoys every time.
you can still go science;))))))
how do you show where pops are working while mousing over a city? do you hold some key? :O
It's a mod
Great, which mod?
25:50 Don´t do it. Don´t ignore the +5 adjacen- BY THE LOVE OF GOD
:)
9:19 wait, doesn't it needs to be adjacent to the city to receive the bonus?
I was told it does not.
@@PotatoMcWhiskey That someone didn't read the ability. You can even see in this video. At 11:10 you place the encampment of Székesfehérvár and once placed it's still shows 22 turns to build - same as in the list of districts before placing. However a minute later when placing a comm hub of Eger, once placed the before shown turns to build reduces because it is placed on the river opposite of the city center.
And I hope you take care of Eger Potato, thats where I live IRL ;)
Thank you, I had this debate with so many people and everyone claimed it was not adjacent to the river which I initially beleived it was.
Hungary is strongest when you are playing the heroes and legends mode. you need Himiko to get more envoys and the armies for free.
25:50 hm spending 200 money for +4 instead of +5?
great job
How do you get that much iron and horses? In my games i usually have only one
potato-luck... I guess that's a variation on the luck of the Irish.
Doesn't Pest have a terrific campus southwest?
whos saying hungary is easy? its way too random. if u dont have any city states around u its even worse and that does happen a lot
Whiskey tilted alert!
How much of a bonus does the AI get for combat in deity? Is it really enough to offset the base 50 for levied swordsmen vs base 41 for impis?
They can build corps and armies earlier and they can mass produce impis.
Swordsmen can hold their own vs Impis, but Musketmen basically negate them.
@@ulmo3538 They cant mass produce impis faster than the other guy can mass produce swordsmen though. Impis are 125 production even with their 37.5% discount from normal pikemen, and swordsmen are only 90 production. And for corps, yes they can produce them earlier but that sounds like an excellent reason to hit them hard, fast and first before they can, does it not?
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Well if youre gonna get all face-shooty about it! :P Aaaaaaand I'm now up to the point in the vid where the zulu forced your hand so no face-shooting yet.
Hmm, I think part of the issue is that I tend to play a longer-paced game (epic or marathon speed rather than normal) which restricts the AI's capabilities vis-a-vis city states, AND I go for the swordsman sperg which I think gives the AI less chance to save up envoys to gank me. I missed it- did you do their quests for free envoys? Nm, clicked around the vid and see you did get their quest.
what speed is this on because it seems you start a 35 turn thing and boom 3 turns later its done. he also builds so much shit i would never build ffs.
Get final amani promotion as Hungary that's too many envoys for the ai to deal with
Although I can remember a game where the ai suddenly had 50 envoys to spread around
That Hungarian folk song though :)))
It has a secondary somewhat lewd meaning
(as most folk songs seeming innocent do)
Hej, Dunáról fúj a szél, (Hey, the wind blows from the Danube)
Szegény embert mindig ér (It always hits the poor man)
Dunáról fúj a szél (the wind blows from the Danube)
Ha Dunáról nem fújna, (if it would not blow from the Danube)
Ilyen hideg sem volna (there would not be this cold)
Dunáról fúj a szél (the wind blows from the Danube)
Hej Jancsika, Jancsika, (Hey Johnny Johnny)
Mér' nem nőttél nagyobbra (why have you not grown bigger)
Dunáról fúj a szél. (the wind blows from the Danube)
Nőttél volna nagyobbra (had you grown larger)
Lettél volna katona (you could have been a soldier)
Dunáról fúj a szél. (the wind blows from the Danube)
Hej, Dunáról fúj a szél, (the wind blows from the Danube)
Feküdj mellém majd nem ér (lay next to me then it won't reach you)
Dunáról fúj a szél. (the wind blows from the Danube)
Nem fekszem én kend mellé, (I won't lay next to you)
mert nem leszek a kendé (because I won't be yours)
Dunáról fúj a szél. (the wind blows from the Danube)
Na-na-na…
You do need a smarter fanbase lmfao!
Fully upgrade amani for double envoys
You should check how to pronounce the names of the cities.. :D 'Győr' it's a hard language but we Hungarians would appreciate if you at least try to. Keep up the good work!
@Chris Martin German and English?
@Chris Martin No need to be sorry^^
calm down m8, your rant is absolutely killing the damn fun
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