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I've been watching a lot of Marshall Origin videos and this is absolutely the best demo I've ever heard.
Thankyou so much. Recording chain was simple so it should be a good representation of the amp.
I agree 100%. He did a fantastic job of showing what these awesome amps are capable of.
I have to agree, between this and Andertons. I’m convinced for that classic Marshall sound on budget, can’t go wrong for a wide range of music. Definitely looking to obtain an Origin 50H and 4x12 in time.
Fully agree. Great job Leon
@@LeonTodd Thanks for the demo! I just bought one! fingers crossed, an hoping it kills with my Bogner Blue pedal. Figure I can have it tuned a bit in need be cuz if I were to design the perfect Marshall it would pretty much have all what this amp does! I have a Vintage/Modern 50w and absolutely luv that one save for the size of it!
The origin has its own voice . It had it's own unique twist on the vintage sound .
Agreed, I quite like it as someone who has owned several different Marshall models over the years, beginning with a 100w plexi in 1969.
Great video. In my opinion this is the most comprehensive and objective review of the origin 50 head that I’ve seen on RUclips. What’s refreshing is that a professional gigging musician has put it through its paces and shown the wide range of sounds available with or without pedals. Thank you Leon for the great content.
Much appreciated, that's always the goal with these
Great vid! Loving my Origin 50! The fact so many people are modding this head because they're not getting the sound they want tells me they bought the wrong one in the first place.
Really good amp, what tends to get overlooked by those looking for a certain 'Marshall Sound' is just how beautiful the cleans are. With some reverb and tremolo in the FX I can get some real vintage 50s sounds. It is the most musical sounding amp I've ever had.
Stargazer! Rainbow Rising is one of the greatest rock albums ever.
Oh yeah!!
@@LeonTodd OH YES
Can I get a oHhh yAah?
The intro to "Lay it Down" is awesome. Love that riff
I think you have nailed it on the description of where this amp sits, between a JTM and a 1987X. As a pedal platform amp, I think the Origin is best used with just boost pedals and not OD or distortion pedals. Too much pedal gain can get too muddy. I think the key to this amp is to think early plexi tones and leave it at that. Trying to get more modern tones is just not going to happen very well. If you want plexi to modern tones then just get a DSL. The DSL on the classic gain ch with pedals will cover a lot more ground than the Origin. The Origin has it's own voicing and it does that thing well.
That breakdown is exactly what I've been looking for, want the DSL but this thing is intriguing, you just confirmed the dsl would do what I thought it would. Thanks!
@@dustinscott5628 Agree entirely. I bought a DSL40 just before Christmas after putting it head to head agains the Origin 50. I went in wondering which to buy and got stuck deciding which to buy first. The DSL won out purely because it suited the repertoire better but I loved the responsiveness of the Origin. It definitely works best without trying to drive it too hard. The pedals can do the overdrive/distortion but just cranking the Origin seems to turn it fizzy. Back off a little, ride the volume control on the guitar for dynamics and it is a belting amp with a real character of its own. Let saving up commence!
Nailed it with that comment man.
Yes! I agree that the Origin is great with boost pedals, it sounds amazing with the Schaffer Replica pedal. Ever since I got the amp, I've fell in love with it lol, I got the 50W combo version and replaced the stock speaker to a G12-65 Heritage speaker and it sounds beautiful. I also placed wheel casters on it and it rock 'n’ rolls perfectly lol
So you wouldn't recommend using the Revv G3 nor Revv G4 with this?
i need this and an sg to play saxon and ac/dc
Ive done a few gigs now with the Origin 20:
Its a great amp for smaller venues where the mid voltage setting is perfect to keep the stage volume down, while still having enough grunt to sit in the mix.
Its a great little amp with heaps of possibilities to experiment with pedals and the good thing is, there is no noise or hiss even if you crank up the gain.
Well worth buying.
I find I have to run it at full power even at small gigs. Depends on style of music I suppose
so no hiss ?sold...as for gigs ,if y playin a big pub ,theres usually a front of house, and just mic up, s no front of house the 50 with 212 is gunna do the job ..no hiss?thats why i i am not happy with this katana i got ,used to have a stage rig but it was too big ,heavy and loud enough for a stadium..
dude...thank you SOOO much for including the speaker demo...imminently the most helpful thing here for me....great review
Playing 'Rainbow' lets me know exactly what I need to know about this amp. Thank you man. I'll bet it sounds really 'authentic' with a BSM pedal \m/
Great video, Leon, thanks! I have the Origin 50 Combo with a 75wt Creamback…and I'm using it as a pedal platform. I've got 10 amps that would be considered better by most, but as a grab-and-go for rehearsal and sit-ins, it's very, very cool.
This amps sounds amazing! Great tones man.
I have the Origin 20 head, I think it hits the classic Marshall tones pretty good, I have owned plexis and a blues breaker a long time ago (Mid 70's), it may not be exact but it is close enough for rock and roll. My settings are as follows Presence 5, Master 4, Treble 5, Middle 8, bass 8, Tilt 6 and Gain 8. Power level Middle. I use it with a pedalboard with Modulation, echo and reverb in the loop. I do use the boost function with the gain on 8 too. I have also used it with everything in front, I prefer the loop though. Great tones you got there, I almost bought the 50 but realistically the 20 is more practical for smaller gigs. Having said all that, I am now moving to the Axefx 3 for pretty much everything, thanks mostly to your videos Leon. Keep up the good work.
The Origin actually reminds me a lot of a Bluesbreaket. Just a lot easier to carry
@@slimturnpike I have sold my origin amp now. Currently I am using a soldano 30 for gigs.
If you can get a musical distortion out of a tube amp without diode clipping isn't that all we want.
I'll keep on loving Rainbow till the end. But basically only the albums with Dio because
>Dio.
Also perfect track selection all across the board.
Yes! Stargazer, the tone fits perfect so I can see why 😀
SOLD! My search is over......the Origin 50 is the one!!!! I have a cabinet loaded with greenbacks. Cheers mate \m/
Check out the new studio vintage series too, the sv20 rips
A DS-1 actually sounds incredible in the 20c with some breakup in the amp. Just keep the DS-1 tone knob way back.
I played the head through a 4x12 at Guitar Center and I'm definitely buying this.
What is the total Wattage of your 4x12 cabinet speaker?
revelationtune 300
300watts ..so this amp is powerful..tnx bro
Marshall Collector : called guitar center today , new for $ 465.00 burnt her in 5hrs and damn its bad ass! Have many 4x12 cabs . She Screems like my 1993 SLP 100w reissue , 50watts still ringing !
That is why I got my studio classic jcm 800 20 watt head and just bought a Marshall origin 50 watt head
Which ones better ?
@@matthewkennedy7283 both u can’t go wrong with either origin u can get plexi tones and the 800 crunch tones for a affordable price
Man, I hear SO MANY killer songs to be made from almost every riff!
your videos are great. thanks, they're very helpful. long may you rock
1:10 that riff sounds so much like Stargazer
Thanks for the review and for sharing your opinion of this amp (good explanation). I am considering buying one as a backup to my 50watt Marshall bass clone that's sounds somewhere in between a JTM45 and a plexi. You know the deal - you always want something that sounds close to your go-to rig. There's a local used shop I do a lot of biz with that has an Origin 50 so I'm going to try it out.
this is a beautiful amp...real marshall sound...i put a 12ax7a JJ Tesla in V2 and in Phase inverter and it became a pushed JCM 800....but with plexi fullness and bass....beautiful beautiful....and i f you push the presence on 10 like Steve Vai did the gain increseases terribly and you can compensate by setting the TILT on 11 o clock setting....with these settings and creambacks speaker cabs and a Xotic AC overdrive in front you have a sound Identical to Annihilator Alice in Hell record....and this only setting gain on 2 o'clock (with boost on) ...beacuse the above mentioned presence setting at 10 increases the amp gain terribly....try...ah remember to put master above 7, otherwise no gain...
I’m not getting the plexi fullness on mine. Not at all.. it sounds about like it does in these videos which ain’t bad. But beside a plexi amp it’s a bit thin . But I’ll remember to try different pre amp tubes. I have no idea what marshall put in that amp.i just know the pcb is really thin so it could probably use a fan.
Thank you for reviewing that amplifier
My pleasure!
Ive said it before Marshall Origin=Classic Tones!! Nice vid!!
I just got this amp delivered today. I have not been able to coax the kind of rhythm tones you are getting out of it. Only spent about a half hour with it so far though. I do have a JTM build coming in the mail, so this amp may be leaving in a month.
Awesome playing and tone ..
Thanks a lot!
Great vid. Love the RATT riff.
Please a comparation with vintage modern .
Spunds great! I'm getting one as soon as their available at my retailer again.
BINGO!!! I've been trying to tell all of the lesser experienced guitarists who diss this amp by claiming it sounds: "thin, weak, blah blah".........that they need to consider different speakers because different speakers behave differently with different amps. Not to mention the fact that you can always ADD your own choice of overdrive or distortion pedals. The Origin 20 and 50 both have KILLER clean & crunch tones all by themselves AT VOLUME. I think Marshall really nailed it with these amps at such a low price point. Many amps really start to wimp out when trying to clean them up a bit. But the Origin 20 and 50 really shines. EVEN THE GUITAR & PICK UP CHOICES PLAY A HUGE ROLE WITH DIFFERENT AMPS. P90 PICKUPS SOUND ABSOLUTELY AMAZING WITH THE ORIGIN!!! I would much rather have a tube amp that cleans up nicely and also with just the right amount of break-up for crunch........vs an amp that has killer gain but does NOT clean up very nicely to still have great TONE. YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD.......but NOTHING can bring the clean while still having a sweet tone, unless it's already built into the amp itself. GREAT DEMO!!!
Stargazer.... What an amazing song. And a cool video too man. Seems like a cool amp. I want one! haha.
Stargazer was one of those lifechanging songs for me
Using my 50C with HX Effects in 4CM. Now I'm ready to get the 50H full stack! It's that good for what I want. I can get the JTM 45/100 tones I want without the expense and maintenance of the originals or HW
Leon, I been using my Origin 50C as a lightweight tube power amp/ cab option with my FM9 live. The tube power and the speaker actually sound really nice, paired with the Fractal unit and the power scaling option really makes tonal/volume choices a bonus.
how much headroom with a clean ?
@@lonewolf8188 Tons of headroom, this amp is very loud. Running it in 50w mode cleans the tone up and gives you as much headroom as you could wish for.
Was thinking about this amp head to along with the boss GX-100 but now I’m leaning towards Mesa boogie rectorfier 20. I’m a rock blues and grunge player and like to also play metal. Your thoughts on this would be appreciated Todd
Check out my mini recto vid if you haven't already :)
I hear what you mean about the mid-power setting. I agree from here....
I just bought this amp specifically to run distortion pedals in front and in the return. I hope l make the right decision
I was thinking about grabbing one until you mentioned that the low end is flubby. Thanks for the warning.
Very cool head. My only other Marshall was an Original 100w Jubilee which I never jelled with.
The Origin heads sound very good to me...way better than the Jubilee ever sounded.
The Swollen Pickle sounded epic.
Jesus Christ that Swollen Pickle is naaaaastyyy🤘😦
Sounds great!
you really are into the sound ay...excellent...i recently realised my 100w sovtek stack was too big n heavy for me to lug ,let it go and got a katana50 , but i cant get it to really do it...this might be the next thing ,it sez its 11kg, if i get a 212 box mabye i can lug it ,but im thinkin the cheap box is shit...im gunna ring up ..the shop likes me coz i dont get silly about the spend.
There are simple mods to bring of the low end so it sounds like a 1987 50 Watt. i owned 2 1987's in the past and this has no trouble matching them. I mainly use it for a mild crunch and then use pedals from low thru flat out Metal OD's and fuzz pedals. I have no trouble being able to take the back wall of a club with my Power Trio.
sounds cool leon switching axes
Just got the origin 50 myself. Love the tone. I put a Friedman BE_OD Delux in front of it and it is a beast.
Exactly what I would do...is it any good ?
Is there a power attenuator on 50w head?
@@martinlahaie6012 not exactly a true attenuator in the head but it allows for low to high volume for playing
I keep telling myself I'm going to wait to get a top of the line boutique, amp but between Jet City and now the Marshall Origin series, I might have to put that major purchase on hold again. lol
I know the problem Marshall is smart. They're keeping the price of this amp low enough to tempt you. LOL
Really like the origin 50 with creamback m65 and the hertiage G12H30 speakers .. Thicker and tighter low end and low mids with those speakers. Especially the 55hz H30.
The sound of the Origin is definitely more open en breaths more than a DSL amp. I bought a MXR Eq pedal for my dsl5, it do the job. But now I want a Origin 20H head… 🤣. “Where isss tze money Lebowski!”
Very good review. Though I can't believe you like the mid power over the high power. I think the high power is way more ballsy and what I have always liked about the Marshalls. I have at Anniversary 6100 LE and even when the master is turned way down it sounds so much better at the high power than the mid and low power.
Yeah I have tried my 20c at midpower and it just doesn't work for me
If you stil have this you should take it to head first amps and jose mod it!
They sound good but the new studio range from Marshall which includes 20 watt versions of the super lead and jcm 800 will almost make these obsolete! Great demo Leon.
Can't wait to try those
but these are half the price!!!
doubled18588 I said almost! Most guys looking for this kind of thing will now look to them new models and pay the extra, I know I would.
I'm not sure. They left a pretty good separation in price. Marshall is smart. There's Friedman amps and other great amps for $1,500. And people are still buying the origin. These new Marshalls will also be $1,500.
Marshall makes most of their profits on Asian amplifiers. It probably cost $50 to get that origin amp made in Vietnam. And they sell it for 600.
I just ordered the 50 head, but couldn’t decide between 50 or 20. I have a rockcrusher attenuator, and I figured even with 20 it would need that to play at home. 50 would give me the option to play some more clean tones in a band setting. Hope my thinking is correct!
Great tones
My settings are
Presence 0
Master 5
Treble 0
Bass 2
Mids 4
Tilt 5
Gain 5
Boss ge7 in loop
Boss bd2 and mosky golden horse out front = brilliant, p.s I'm.on 50w selection
Dude im about to order one and the FIRST Riff i was gonna play was man on silver!
I just got the 20 watt one cheap as new still in packaging. Half price. I agree they are a little tubby. I run it into Two Notes. I can get some great tones using a Tony Iommi TI Boost. It tightens up the low end much better than the built in boost. I was frustrated with a 80s JCM800 1987 I had. It just would not crunch no matter what we did to it. This Origin amp does crunch really nicely. It reminds more of a 1974X than a Superlead though. I am keen to hear it with a Belle Epoch Deluxe and a fuzz in front of it. I think Jimmy used a fuzz a lot more than people think. I also think I might be able to get some Malmsteen tones out of this amp.
I had sold my amp thinking I could make do with modelling and plugins like Helix Native, or my fav amp sim Le Pou. Nah. As soon as I hooked this thing up to the Captor load box and Wall Of Sound I heard what I was missing. Modelling does high gain and clean well, but it's not so good at old school crunchy amps I think. Old school amps have a thump to the low end that is grunty, but still kind of clean. Old marshall amps have this brash treble thing going on too. Kind of thin and even brittle, but that's the tone. Hit it hard and it is that sound we all know from so many records.
The rainbow song is of course stargazer. Nice!
I normally do not like T75s but they sound pretty damn good here.
I can't help but to hear Kill'em all and Seasons in the abyss tone with the right boost with that amp .... obviously this amp has tones inspired by the jcm800 but without copying it ...it is its own thing.
Diggin high pwr mode
the power section changes the sound dramatically,
-Do you get Vintage Modern vibes from this amp?- Scratch that. Looking forward to the next video where you compare the two. Haha.
Stargazer. 🤘❤️🤘 Brilliant review and amp.
Marshall owes you some commission bro... I'm so jones'in for this amp... Great video. "Two thumbs up. Better than Cat's" lol
I see dead people.
Still can't decide between origin20h or dsl20hr
I mainly play GnR, ACDC and Zeppelin. I think the dsl is more suited for GnR and the origin more for zeppelin and ACDC.
I'm having the same issue
Ive had mine for about 8 months. Agree about the middle power setting. Im using a pedal board with an hx effects as well as traditional pedals. Havent had any real issues with it. The ONLY thing I didnt like about it was the included footswitch HAS to be used to use the fx loop. Really would have like a modern button on the back to turn fx loop on and off. But with some creativity, that issue was resolved.
How?
@@prozaccowboy In the beginning, I shortened the cable for the footswitch where it would just sit on top of the amp. I never needed to turn off the effects loop. After I got tired of having that on top of the amp, i literally installed the footswitch button for the effects loop on the back of the amp in the place of the input. This requires going in and modifying it obviously, but problem solved for my needs.
I'm still chasing tones. I'm after REO Speedwagon's Nine Lives sound. You end up requiring a Marshall and it has to have full on presence to aid in the subtle breakup coupled with PAF style pickups. I can't get it. I bought an expensive JTM style amp, and it'll have nothing to do with it. This amp is likely in my future. A collection of Marshall amps... Guys who love Marshall's always have a set of them. Because they rock.
Have you ever played a 70s JMP? Might be the only Marshall you ever need.
Solar Guitar Studio that REO album is one of my favorites from them. Gary was so good, but sometimes had a piercing tone. He was sounding awesome on Nine Lives.
Okay, I'm hooked !
Love my 50h although it's taken me a while to dial in and remove brightness, u can play it on.the 50w selection pretty dam loud but if u run a boss ge7 in loop u can contoverall loudness with its volume slider which mine is set alot lower than centre, then u really hear this incredible amp
All of them.
Hey Leon make demo of the AVT50H. I really would like to see how you pull that one out. love your videos! cheers from the island of Malta!
Ok I got the 50head playing though a marshall 212 seventy 80 speakers 160watt using fender telecaster hh and a Boss ME80 but I can't get my break up sound like yours it sounds more on the bluesy side
That's why I bought it! Great blues tone!
i love,..starstruck,an if you dont like rock n roll etc..ritchies solos are beyond impossible to copy just like he does them..
One of a kind player
It's not BRUTAL like a real Plexi, but sounds more "boutique" a plexi with finesse! actually like the vibe lots!
Stargazer!
I'm looking at an offer for the Origin50 right now for $350, but i just want to use it as a platform for high gain pedals and different FX. Think its worth it?
Este amplificador tiene potencia suficiente para tocar en directo junto a una batería y un bass?
Hey hey really love the vid! Was curious what Greenbacks you think would be best with this Marshall?
Late to the party (only just bought the combo version of the Origin 20).. however, nice nod to Stargazer at the start there
I prefer 2by12 open back cabinet with celestions for nearly every amp. Those Avatar pine cabinets just work really well. You don't sound Aussie brother. I lived in Sydney for 2 years back in 99 to 01.
Nice little Ratt montage there ..
How old were you when they came out?
Specifically "Lay It Down" in 1985 ..
I recall I was about 26 ..
I've noticed that tons and tons of 30 year olds know and love Ratt, just like we did. They also love Dokken, and Leon is well versed in most of the 80s bands. I really admire them for holding on to that era. But what just got lost is the 70s, and with the blend of disco, Motown, Funk, and Pop music of the 70s, we were more than ready for the 80s. I continue to tell them, you want to know what inspired all the great guitarists of the 80s? The 70s. It was humdrum city, and we needed to break out.
-3 in 85. Grew up starved of guitar music in the early 00's and file sharing had just become a thing so I got deep into Ratt, Dokken, Scorpions, Savatage and Winger.
As for Ratt "Lay it down" riff,it is relentless used in guitar videos of present day.
I can understand why.It's masterpiece.Every time you hear it,it feels like flying or something......
So which speaker does this best with?
blackmores engl sovereingn combos do sound different, but very good an still crackly an riff style good treble............
What 412 cab would u suggest would best suit this mate? The origin 412, 1960 or??
I have one on lay a way.
Staaaargaazerrr 🔥
great one.
Pises from stargazer 😊🤘 Nice riff version👍
microphone..??o well still too much,but amp sounds great if it will stay together at high volumes etc...i use no pedals at all for many years,just clean an distortion only from the amp,used to use a flanger,and expandora,the red knob better version..............
i use no pedals at all, just strats,an adjustments,but yes it does too sound like ancient plexi like priceless jtm 45 an others,i read also, new speakers take around 100 hours to break in................
Hi Leon thanks 4 great wid! Can U tell me on your opinion which one is better Marshall origin 50 or Blackstar Mkii 50 Tnks 🤘
hey Leon, you try the YJM, Satch, or mode4 Marshalls yet?
Good demo chap
Not feeling that fuzz pedal too much.
The amp sounds decent in the video. I have played the Origin 20 head and it wasn't bad at all for a Vietnamese made amp.
Sadly some folks can’t afford the old vintage 2204 or 1,399 studio vintage slp head
Great demo! I'm off to get one of these!
What do you think of the amp? I think it sounds more like an old amp. I like it.