As a European convert, I always come into junctions with these. The topics are endless, and one wonders what would be a great choice and how would this be possible to implement.
Indeed it seems super complex. I came to the conclusion that i can't change a government but that at least, I can make myself and my family unit better
I think people need to focus on their imaan, because their 5 daily prayers are not restricted by any government or caliphate. I would also love to hear someone attempt to talk about the Islamic system in terms of international trading.
You made a point. Definitly, lot of countries are more an islamicate acception than islamic state. By example, this meaning is much more accurate and precise without any doubt with regard to Egypt. even though it is a country which is still considered the heart of the Arab world and a major university center in the Muslim world. we find there what you describe, namely: an impregnation of Islamic culture in the way of life (places of worship, celebrations, dress codes, health and food hygiene rules) and in respect of ideological limits not to be infringed (no words of apostasy in public space, non-secularism, rejection of the acceptance of sexual deviance). This is already enormous when we compare this state of affairs to other countries...however, the government and a number of weak points that I will not mention deprive it of the designation of an Islamic state. I really enjoy your sharing. May Allah reward you and grant you the best dear brother.
To me ,we can't make an assumption wether someone is a Muslim or not when they say they are, it's haram,we can't categorize people, however when we say an Islamic country the country in question should be a country that applies sharia law where there's no separation between politics and religion,not a muslim majority country, that's a given . The term islamicate is new to me,thank you for yet another great video filled with knowledge.
Yes in everyday language people use this shortcut and I may use it too here and there because i don't have the energy to explain this to every single person i meet!
What do we mean by an Islamic government? l actually asked this question to many scholars here in Bangladesh. The usual answer they give is that the government is overall Islamic that means predominantly Islamic then even with shortcomings of the ruler the government should be considered to be an Islamic government. By overall Islamic they mean two things: the government should have the long term military capacity to defend the country against the attack of non Muslims and it should uphold Islamic law within the country (within the country's judicial system). By long term military capacity they mean the military must be able to defeat enemies in a sustainable way; that is, they should be able to hold their ground and consolidate power and thwart any potential aggression. It's not okay just to be able to defeat an enemy in one or one or two battles when the enemy will predictably defeat the Islamic the government's army in the long run. By potential enemy they mean the enemies who can realistically attack the country. For example the Egyptian army does not have to be able to defeat us or China because it's unlikely that they will attack Egypt but they must be able to defeat Israel at least in a defensive war. If the government does not maintain this minimum level of military differentiable military capacity then it is not Islamic. Nowadays the military depends on technology, which depends on the economy, which in turn depends on the financial system, monetary policy, law-and-order etc. So the military preparedness is a comprehensive term the scholars use to identify a functioning government. By upholding Islamic law, the scholars mean an education system where Islamic judges rule based on traditional fiqh and not laws inspired by European ideologies. Scholars also stretch that how Islamic a country is is not a black and white, yes or no, zero-some thing, rather it is an issue of degrees. For example, Turkey is more Islamic than Saudi Arabia in terms of its military industrial complex, but Saudi Arabia is more Islamic than Turkey in terms of rejecting the bid'a of showing too much respect to graves (and even grave worshiping). [Naturally, all scholars do not give an answer with this level of comprehensiveness but if you probe them long enough they will answer more-less in this manner.] So I believe, whether a country is Islamic or not is quite clear among the people living in the Islamic world, if you don't mind me using this term. Complications and the solutions of complication about Islamic and Islamiccate both came from the Western academia. That being said, the video was both informative and refreshing. Keep the good work brother.
Islamic government is a government which only derives law from the Book and the Sunnah and there is only one Muslim government today and the rest are tawagheet
Fair enough, Insha’Allah I’ll probably try moving to a Muslim country in the future because being a Muslim is easier than the UK, but Insha’Allah we will see the Uk might get better.
Considering to what extent an Islamic “nation” state is even possible, I’d say that calling them Islamic countries is good enough for the common man. Most of these countries still base their constitution on the Quran and although they fall short of implementing certain Quranic commands, that doesn’t take them out of Islam. And if it did, would we call them Kafir governments? Calling these countries not “Islamic” has caused much harm among its citizens wherein they have become disenchanted with the govt and some actively pursue to overthrow it.
I think Islamic has to be used for everyday conversations indeed otherwise people wouldn't understand each other. However, I think most people are realist and know their governments have shortcomings. I also think that people's motivations to overthrow governments is less based on their "islamicity" but more when the situation is unbearable (not mentioning when the West engineers an overthrowing!). Lots of people in these countries are agnostic but they care about whether they can feed themselves and their families.
It's not good enough because it's not true. These countries having some Islamic sources in constitution doesn't make them Islamic. It only means they're using Shari'a as 'a source', which means they're using other man-made sources. A nation-state or modern state is incompatible with Shari'a on many levels, which leads to several problems. Common people, especially Muslims, should understand this. Another point: If Shari'a can replace the State, it's Islamic, if the State can replace Shari'a then it's un-Islamic.
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Islam is not postmodern Jews where you can be a Jew without the basics like believing in God, believing in the day of Judgment/afterlife, keeping Kosher. You can be a Muslim without praying (who can even tell what you do at home) or even committing Major sins as long as you acknowledge them as sins, as You always have hope for redemption of your sins (at least from God side if not other people's side) but you can't be one without Believing in Allah, the Quran, The Prophet , not keeping at least a loose version of Hallal. If you don't even believe in Allah you become an Apostate which is something difficult to get out of(Allah knows best in this case but it's something very severe in Islam). If you believe in Christ instead of Allah or are even an Agnostic if not Atheist then how can you call yourself Muslim. The best you can do is to say that I am from a Muslim Family/heritage. Regarding Pakistan the vast majority of Muslims and to a lesser extent non Muslim minority believe in God even if they don't practice religion and personally disagree with some of religious teachings, and I am not including the ones who don't announce it at least in some settings because if I do that then Atheists/Agnostics would be infinitesimally small. People who are far from any the definition of true Muslim like genuinely evil people and the vast majority of super liberal people still ask/casually pray for forgiveness or do religious rituals from time to time for themselves (to rid themselves of guilt in the case of evil people) and not just for show. Pakistan is not Albania or even the much less extreme Indonesia(which has very liberal interpretation of Religion which Malaysians keep reminding them). Islam is not a personal belief system it's a way of life. You can't simply say it's between me and God, you can only be negligent in practice or have differing interpretations of finer points. . Plus you can disagree with their interpretations and Implementation of Islam but Iran and Afghanistan are definitely Islamic countries. How else do you describe genuinely Mullah led regimes. They aren't ISIS who do as they please and create excuses after the fact, they're not ruled by secular royalty/Military Dictator in a country with some Islamic laws(and many pseudo-Islamic ones), they are countries more or less run by genuine clerics of sects of Islam (Twelver Shia and Conservative/Pashtun Deobandi Sunnis, respectively).
@@islamwilltriumph4057 how is it even related? It doesn't make sense. If an employer oppresses you, there's always ways around to keep doing your prayers on time. Remember the battle of the trenches. The Prophet didn't engage into battle without a good strategy to defeat the opponents.
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As a European convert, I always come into junctions with these. The topics are endless, and one wonders what would be a great choice and how would this be possible to implement.
Indeed it seems super complex. I came to the conclusion that i can't change a government but that at least, I can make myself and my family unit better
It’s very possible to implement. But know one wants to be held accountable. Because the shariah will hold you accountable
I think people need to focus on their imaan, because their 5 daily prayers are not restricted by any government or caliphate. I would also love to hear someone attempt to talk about the Islamic system in terms of international trading.
Lol keep living in a dream where governments have no issues with Muwahhideen praying
Yet... some countries are really hard on Muslims praying. But I agree that focusing on one's betterment is the no.1 priority
Some government restrict them, china or Myanmar for example. Uyghurs and rohingyas (muslims minorities) are facing a genocide in both country.
Essalam aliykon brother.
Wa alaykum salaam
You made a point. Definitly, lot of countries are more an islamicate acception than islamic state.
By example, this meaning is much more accurate and precise without any doubt with regard to Egypt. even though it is a country which is still considered the heart of the Arab world and a major university center in the Muslim world.
we find there what you describe, namely: an impregnation of Islamic culture in the way of life (places of worship, celebrations, dress codes, health and food hygiene rules) and in respect of ideological limits not to be infringed (no words of apostasy in public space, non-secularism, rejection of the acceptance of sexual deviance).
This is already enormous when we compare this state of affairs to other countries...however, the government and a number of weak points that I will not mention deprive it of the designation of an Islamic state.
I really enjoy your sharing.
May Allah reward you and grant you the best dear brother.
Thank you. Yes islamicate culture has its positives when people keep as traditions principles from Islam!
They're apostate regimes
like you said some muslim are muslim by culture ,, but we will be closer and appreciate those who are more religiously muslim not only by culture
Muslim by culture = munafiq kafir
inshaAllah
To me ,we can't make an assumption wether someone is a Muslim or not when they say they are, it's haram,we can't categorize people, however when we say an Islamic country the country in question should be a country that applies sharia law where there's no separation between politics and religion,not a muslim majority country, that's a given .
The term islamicate is new to me,thank you for yet another great video filled with knowledge.
Allah told you who the disbeliever is so do you think your judgement of them as Muslims is better than Allah's?
Yes in everyday language people use this shortcut and I may use it too here and there because i don't have the energy to explain this to every single person i meet!
@@rusi6219 The first paragraph is literally me saying we shouldn't judge people.
@@HydeCorvusAllah told you to judge with His Book do you think your above Allah's commands?
@@rusi6219 Are you okay?
What do we mean by an Islamic government? l actually asked this question to many scholars here in Bangladesh. The usual answer they give is that the government is overall Islamic that means predominantly Islamic then even with shortcomings of the ruler the government should be considered to be an Islamic government. By overall Islamic they mean two things: the government should have the long term military capacity to defend the country against the attack of non Muslims and it should uphold Islamic law within the country (within the country's judicial system).
By long term military capacity they mean the military must be able to defeat enemies in a sustainable way; that is, they should be able to hold their ground and consolidate power and thwart any potential aggression. It's not okay just to be able to defeat an enemy in one or one or two battles when the enemy will predictably defeat the Islamic the government's army in the long run. By potential enemy they mean the enemies who can realistically attack the country. For example the Egyptian army does not have to be able to defeat us or China because it's unlikely that they will attack Egypt but they must be able to defeat Israel at least in a defensive war. If the government does not maintain this minimum level of military differentiable military capacity then it is not Islamic. Nowadays the military depends on technology, which depends on the economy, which in turn depends on the financial system, monetary policy, law-and-order etc. So the military preparedness is a comprehensive term the scholars use to identify a functioning government.
By upholding Islamic law, the scholars mean an education system where Islamic judges rule based on traditional fiqh and not laws inspired by European ideologies.
Scholars also stretch that how Islamic a country is is not a black and white, yes or no, zero-some thing, rather it is an issue of degrees. For example, Turkey is more Islamic than Saudi Arabia in terms of its military industrial complex, but Saudi Arabia is more Islamic than Turkey in terms of rejecting the bid'a of showing too much respect to graves (and even grave worshiping).
[Naturally, all scholars do not give an answer with this level of comprehensiveness but if you probe them long enough they will answer more-less in this manner.]
So I believe, whether a country is Islamic or not is quite clear among the people living in the Islamic world, if you don't mind me using this term. Complications and the solutions of complication about Islamic and Islamiccate both came from the Western academia.
That being said, the video was both informative and refreshing. Keep the good work brother.
Islamic government is a government which only derives law from the Book and the Sunnah and there is only one Muslim government today and the rest are tawagheet
Indeed I'm sure everyone has their own definitions! Thank you for these insights!
What country do you think would be the best for a Muslim to live in?
There's no best country. It's up to personal preference and situation
Fair enough, Insha’Allah I’ll probably try moving to a Muslim country in the future because being a Muslim is easier than the UK, but Insha’Allah we will see the Uk might get better.
Considering to what extent an Islamic “nation” state is even possible, I’d say that calling them Islamic countries is good enough for the common man.
Most of these countries still base their constitution on the Quran and although they fall short of implementing certain Quranic commands, that doesn’t take them out of Islam. And if it did, would we call them Kafir governments?
Calling these countries not “Islamic” has caused much harm among its citizens wherein they have become disenchanted with the govt and some actively pursue to overthrow it.
I think Islamic has to be used for everyday conversations indeed otherwise people wouldn't understand each other. However, I think most people are realist and know their governments have shortcomings. I also think that people's motivations to overthrow governments is less based on their "islamicity" but more when the situation is unbearable (not mentioning when the West engineers an overthrowing!). Lots of people in these countries are agnostic but they care about whether they can feed themselves and their families.
It's not good enough because it's not true. These countries having some Islamic sources in constitution doesn't make them Islamic. It only means they're using Shari'a as 'a source', which means they're using other man-made sources. A nation-state or modern state is incompatible with Shari'a on many levels, which leads to several problems. Common people, especially Muslims, should understand this. Another point: If Shari'a can replace the State, it's Islamic, if the State can replace Shari'a then it's un-Islamic.
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Thank you although I struggle to respond to these emojis as I'm not sure as towards what are they targeted. Just in case, I'll reply with a pizza emoji 🍕
Islam is not postmodern Jews where you can be a Jew without the basics like believing in God, believing in the day of Judgment/afterlife, keeping Kosher. You can be a Muslim without praying (who can even tell what you do at home) or even committing Major sins as long as you acknowledge them as sins, as You always have hope for redemption of your sins (at least from God side if not other people's side) but you can't be one without Believing in Allah, the Quran, The Prophet , not keeping at least a loose version of Hallal. If you don't even believe in Allah you become an Apostate which is something difficult to get out of(Allah knows best in this case but it's something very severe in Islam).
If you believe in Christ instead of Allah or are even an Agnostic if not Atheist then how can you call yourself Muslim. The best you can do is to say that I am from a Muslim Family/heritage.
Regarding Pakistan the vast majority of Muslims and to a lesser extent non Muslim minority believe in God even if they don't practice religion and personally disagree with some of religious teachings, and I am not including the ones who don't announce it at least in some settings because if I do that then Atheists/Agnostics would be infinitesimally small. People who are far from any the definition of true Muslim like genuinely evil people and the vast majority of super liberal people still ask/casually pray for forgiveness or do religious rituals from time to time for themselves (to rid themselves of guilt in the case of evil people) and not just for show.
Pakistan is not Albania or even the much less extreme Indonesia(which has very liberal interpretation of Religion which Malaysians keep reminding them).
Islam is not a personal belief system it's a way of life. You can't simply say it's between me and God, you can only be negligent in practice or have differing interpretations of finer points.
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Plus you can disagree with their interpretations and Implementation of Islam but Iran and Afghanistan are definitely Islamic countries. How else do you describe genuinely Mullah led regimes. They aren't ISIS who do as they please and create excuses after the fact, they're not ruled by secular royalty/Military Dictator in a country with some Islamic laws(and many pseudo-Islamic ones), they are countries more or less run by genuine clerics of sects of Islam (Twelver Shia and Conservative/Pashtun Deobandi Sunnis, respectively).
for some people, Islam is a brand they can make money from
Islamic country is a country where the source of law if from Islam and not from somewhere else.
It is some people's definition
There countries are not ran according to the minhaj (Islam Iman and Ihsan) of the Salaf
... and I believe that sometimes they use their interpretation of Islam as a political tool
@@williambarylo like all deviant Muslims they do away with the foundation of the deen. I call them to the minhaj (Islam Iman and Ihsan)of the Salaf 😔
@@williambarylo now you’re talking about Wahhabism and how Arabia became Saudi Arabia 👍
Acting on our beloved's command is a "shortcut" ?!!
I don't think God asks us to switch off our brains. Believers should think strategically
@@williambarylo why don't you "think strategically" and give up salah for an employer then???
@@islamwilltriumph4057 how is it even related? It doesn't make sense. If an employer oppresses you, there's always ways around to keep doing your prayers on time. Remember the battle of the trenches. The Prophet didn't engage into battle without a good strategy to defeat the opponents.
@@williambarylo have you really compared yourself to the mujahideen now LOL
@@islamwilltriumph4057get off your high horse
According to me, no one has the right to represent islam or muslims at all.
I think it's fair. Even in elected governments, it's not because the majority elects a leader that he represents everyone who did not vote them in
@@williambarylo Well said.
human rights and Islam? I went to the east and I went to the west
And somewhere in the middle
Mauritania is definitely a muslim country
It has Muslims in it
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Thank you although I struggle to respond to these emojis as I'm not sure as towards what are they targeted. Just in case, I'll reply with a pizza emoji 🍕