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This an old video You got some catching up to do with the supposedly remake Xd Well, to me it's more of a Sequel then a remake but try explaining that to toxic purists and fans who never touched the compilation xd
One minor thing that you didn't mention but that I find very interesting about the DMW system from Crisis Core is how it relates to one of the taglines of the game, which is "Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades". I really liked how much emphasis they put on Zack's relationships with other people in that game
Crisis Core does an excellent job at endearing you to Zack. It makes you attached and you legitimately fight hard to save the character, even though we all knew he was going to eat those bullets. But dammit, if you don't feel like you can change it in the moment.
we definitely need more zack. and as seen in the new screenshots the sword references him slightly, so i can't wait for the next game to go to gongaga so i can see some more info on him.
Currently playing it, but I'm in the final third of the game I'd say. A couple of minor things I'm questioning, but overall I'm enjoying so far. How about you, did you play it yet?
Not many people care understanding Zack I have seen many people understanding Cloud etc. But *NO ONE* wants to understand Zack, they just cast him away And the people who cast him away are 1: Clerith who hate the fact Zack was with Aerith and that he is alive now *TRUST ME they are boiling* 2: People who hate Zack's existence and *THINK* he will steal Clouds place some how *which is a very stupid thinking* So you have people hate him for no reason and be unfair
I mean I've seen more people clowning on Cloud and reducing him to a Zack clone in comparison to Zack hate. Furthermore, with the new introduction of Zack more Zack fans have been hell-bent on having Cloud killed and Zack being the main protagonist since they claim that 'Zack's the real hero' even though it was always written and said to be Cloud
@@rightnow104 Yes i have seen those kind of people too but i can assure you that those people are very very *few* And those *few* people who hate on Cloud is because of all the hate they have gotten about Zack . I had the opportunity to witness the FANDOM's toxicity and how cancer it is and i can assure you that the reason those people hate on Cloud is because of the FANDOM's toxicity . I can bet that 80 with 90% of the FANDOM hates on Zack . Many fans starting to rise up to those assh*les and a lot of conflict is happening between the fans I personally love Cloud and i know that even the people who hated on Cloud because of the FANDOM they love him too but its the hatred and trash talk that have made these people *reach their limits* I love BOTH Cloud and Zack and i wish we could get a better ending with Zack and Cloud together { not like that } . But the FANDOM has other plans In any case if you are wondering why i want such thing or why i feel this way am opened to talk and explain you some things about the story that lacks and has flaws since the Original ending back in 1997 !
@@monkeydjimmy5169 I couldn't have worded this better myself, it's also a shame that it's a very vocal minority who consistently shit on these characters when they clearly respect each other in the game. Honestly I want to see more Cloud and Zack friendship if they ever do bring back Zack or at least flashbacks of it just to shut some of these people up.
I would also love to hear more about your opinion, they are really well thought out and written compared to the absolute nonsense I've read from toxic fans. Wish we had more fans like you to discuss with.
@@rightnow104 I agree but trust me they won't shut up if that happens lol You can bet Sleepizy and some other RUclipsrs will have a say in this along with the *toxic FANDOM* supporting them to the fullest But honestly i don't give a shit anymore If the devs are so blind and only care about making money and nothing more : And they cannot see the flaws they created *themeslves* since f*cking 1997 with the ending of the original and they admitted themselves that the ending was a bad ending and basically all your efforts were thrown to the f*cking toilet and got flashed onto the sewers . And they poorly tried to cover up their shit by saying { *the ending was good depending on each players perspective* } I bet Kitase thought : Ouf ! I really dodged a bullet there with the fans ! I bet they are stupid enough that they gonna buy this shit and they won't notice the flaws we left there ! And his old ass was right , because the FANDOM *NOT ONLY* bought their story but they *SWALLOWED IT ALL THE WAY DOWN THEIR THROUGHTS TILL YOU HEAR THE SOUND OF GLOUP* ! I am trying to stay away from the FANDOM as much as possible
Cloud OG concept art was very similar to Zack's appearance. In the making they had said it just didn't stick out enough so they went with blonde hair spikey hair. Ironic enough, Zack's look was the OG vision but they went with Clouds look who was drawn to have the same outfit & sword...very similar to how Zack & Cloud's relationship is in the actual game.
april maryland there was this very early concept art of Cloud which is kinda similar to how Zack looks like. Also they did considered having Cloud to have slick back dark hair to contrast Sephirot’s silver long hair but then that concept was used for Angeal’s appearance so you are both right.
@@ele7en117 that's the artwork im speaking on. They felt it didn't stand out enough so they went with the yellow spikey hair ... FF7 came out the same time DBZ was at its peak ...anime in general..that type of artwork was very eye catching to the western because they wasn't used to seeing it ... Black was too bland because goku already had black hair ...the yellow stuck out because it was a natural yellow not a transformation
I have understand *BOTH* Cloud and Zack Zack isn't the typical Shonen happy character Otherwise the same could be said to Cloud, been the typical emo character The reason I like Zack a little bit more then Cloud its because he reminds me of Naruto, what do I mean by that : He starts as a young arrogant teenage boy and ends up becoming a man Through his experience he changes and grows up His pain, suffering and struggle will ALWAYS begin after Angeal leaves and betrays Shinra Having Zack start questioning *IF* what he is doing or what Shinra is doing is right Questioning his own morals till the end Zack is not happy, but he has to smile to hide his pain, to stay strong for him self and others, he wanna make other people's pain go away because he understands them and feels them When Aerith or Cloud is happy Zack is happy as well, if any of them are in pain or sad he feels that pain Zack *acts tough* but he is not, *IF ANYONE PAYS ATTENTION TO THE FACKING CHARACTER AT ALL, EVEN 1 BIT* they will see that he tries to hold back his feelings And there were many times where Zack was ready to break but he managed to keep his sh*t together Except...... The moment he killed Angeal with his own hands, that was a lot even for him to take I can't imagine the time it took him to get back at his feet Aerith and Cloudand Kunsel were there for him as well He kept standing up I do not hate Cloud *NEITHER* Zack I love both characters why f*cking hate someone without a f*cking reason?
Very well thought out and comprehensive. I was a little wary of watching since Zack's character is my favorite of the franchise, but it was very enjoyable and I can't think of anything I disagreed with. Excellent contrast between him and Genesis with how Mr. Rhapsodos is much more dreamy and Zack is actually very grounded. Optimistic does not equal simple-minded, and you illustrated that quite nicely with Zack's character analysis. Great job.
Great video, I've never seen the death of Aerith and Zach presented in a way where they were able to join each other in the life stream. I like that as an ending. I've heard that in the Japanese version of the game, Zach and Aerith were never actually dating and it was just a translation error in the English version, but Square decided to go with it for Crisis Core. Keep up the good work!
6:43 with the idea about the shoulder pauldron, being a visual metaphor between Cloud and Zack, was one of those out of nowhere epiphany/light bulb moments. I was looking at Final Fantasy 25th Memorial Ultimania VII-IX artbook I'd noticed with the character models they worn the same clothes, and then thinking how Cloud has the one pauldron it was *bing* "dude does that mean I what it means!" And thus, the idea/theory was born
Loving the content jack been soaking it all in! These making an excellent group watch drink every time you heard the word 'contemporary' and then discuss the points laid out in the video.
I'm so mad if Zack's going to be alive in Remake. As you can tell from my User-name, Zack ist my most favorite Character. He is so lovable, goofy, nice, funny, honorable and always there for those dearest to him. I was heartbroken at the ending of Crisis Core even though I exactly knew what was about to happen. His death has auch an emotional impact after having gotten to know him so well in crisis core. Sure - Zack being alive and reuniting with Aerith would be the Happy Ending he deserves. But live doesn't always happen this way. Part of why he is my favorite character is because of his tragic fate. Because even the nicest ones don't always get a happy ending. Having him alive would take away all of that. And ultimately it would mean that nobody needs to suffer and everybody gets a happy ending. But life just doesnt work that way Apart from Zack as a Person, his death is crucial to the story and Clouds mental state. His plot is of such a significance to Clouds past that I can't Imagine how they'll handle the massive changes. Him beeing alive leads to none of clouds mental state, his behavior, his past and his Motivation making any sense. As sad as it is: Zack (and Aerith, too, by the way) HAVE to die. Final Fantasy VII is about loss and coping with it. With Zack and Aerith being alive it won't be Final Fantasy VII anymore. Just some bad fanfiction.
I agree. As sorely tempted as I am by the prospect of seeing an alternate timeline in which Zack survived, as much as my heart aches for the guy, it would irreparably mar that which makes FFVII special. I won't allow myself to form a permanent opinion of Remake until it is complete, but I really hope the developers know what they're doing... I will say that I'm enjoying Remake so far, for the most part. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the closing moments of Part 1 weren't an indication that they're about to fuck it all up.
I have to agree. Upon seeing that Zack survived in remake I like so many others, did have “fangasims” of a Zack/Cloud team up. But then, how would that work? Cloud is mentally destroyed from witnessing Zacks death. Them just being separated wouldn’t cause that trauma to Cloud. And even if someone stole/kidnapped Cloud while Zack was fighting, Zack would be chasing them down to get Cloud back. Zack just spent a whole year protecting Cloud, he wouldn’t just give up on him. Then we got the dlc. And I can’t picture Zack stashing Cloud somewhere while he goes to the church to see Aerith either. Zack knows they are being hunted, so he’d never leave Cloud somewhere alone and unprotected, not even to visit Aerith. So either comatose Cloud is off screen on the steps, or Zacks character is about to be assassinated by bad writing. I think that is why so many people say it’s got to be multiverse shenanigans going on. And that, just scares me.
The remake definitely gave a lot of nods or references to his character. For instance, I think Stamp, the Shinra cartoon propaganda references him because in Crisis Core it was stated that Angeal gave him a nickname, Zack the Puppy. Then, there's Aerith/Aeris giving Cloud questions or actions that really references his character lol. I wish there was someone out there who would point out all the Crisis Core references in the remake since I don't have the luxury to enjoy the game currently. But, nice analysis. Hope your content improves.
I always thought that the real reason cloud wasn’t able to get into Soldier wasn’t because he was not physically able but rather that he lacked self confidence to be able to achieve his goals, so therefore when he took on some of Zacks personality he gained his self confidence as well and that’s how he achieves feats worthy of being in solider.
The way you pronounce Aerith is different 😁 sounds like a Greek God named Ares. I'll get used to it though love your video BWT. Thanks for making it and putting a good time into it.
Yeah I've addressed this since, and I have a long history of terrible FF pronunciations. Thanks for putting up with it though and glad you enjoyed it :)
Her name was originally Aeris in the PC version. They changed it to Aerith in everything that came after cus they thought it was too hard for Americans to pronounce i assume. Ironic.
@@gentlemansquarrel190 we call that FF7 OG lol but what you described is same for all FF7 OG. It's a translation error from what i gather. In Japanese Aerith is pronounced Aeris because they pronounce the "TH" as "S" its simply an error one that we all must fix. It's meant to be Aerith and never Aeris.
Read about ludonarrative dissonance not long ago while researching something else. Interesting concept that's specific to storytelling in games and narrative/gameplay cohesion. I can see what you mean by ludonarrative harmony there
@@AlleywayJack I mean, I haven't played the game you mentioned. But it sounds like it might apply, and in any case I thought you'd find it an interesting concept. New to the channel, btw - and glad I found it :) keep it up!
Great video. I can't recall if you did a review of the Turks org. With the extended material, including Vincent's past history, you get a very interesting take...
Yeah, I love the Turks and there’s plenty to consider there with all the extended material. Although I haven’t played DoC in about 10 years I can hardly remember it!
@@AlleywayJack Yeah, I hear ya. In fairness, it does not offer much regarding the nameless Turks (aside from Cisseni, which becomes more relevant for Zack). But, the institutional culture and overarching discourse from the solo Vincent game with Crisis Core provides an interesting narrative, to which you alluded in your work on Shinra. Let me know if you ever want some different perspectives about the FF series. Would love to help with material if you're interested. Take it easy!
One thing I don't understand if why Zack have to drag Cloud to Midgar and not place him some where safe like a hotel or somewhere and just pay extra. Cloud is unconscious and an extra weight to him so yeah...
I remember playing this for the first time without the context for 7 a good ten years ago and being blown away by the audacity to brutally murder the main character. Like holy shit, I thought Final Fantasy was just a fun sci-fi flick at that age. I’ve since played 7, and it’s a fantastic game that’s aged very well, but the notion of a remake continuing the presentation and essence of Crisis Core, ala the RE2 Remake has always made me giddy. I hope whatever Square Enix does with the 7 Remake is something fresh and exciting again - it’s the best I can hope for after such a disappointing string of titles with a couple of great games (FF14, NieR, DQ11) on the side.
I must say, I'm really enjoying your content, late to the party though I am. I find myself irresistibly compelled to ask, though: are you aware of yourself occasionally pronouncing "Aerith" (personal preference over "Aeris", don't mind me) as "Ares", as in the Greek god of war?
Thanks, glad you're enjoying it so far. Yeah I'm conscious I say Aerith wrong sometimes, it's a bad habit from when I was a kid and couldn't read lol. I mentioned it in my Aerith episode.
How in the actual fuck do you and four eight production's pronounce Aeris' name like the god of war. It's AIR-IS. Drives me up the wall. Otherwise, great video.
@@sappyjoker fine, your u can use ff7 default name for her or Advent children but would you pronounce it air eeth? My point here is I just don't see how some people see Aeris' and think " ohhh that I is pronounced EE". like wtf...
Fintastrophe I see your point. I can see both sides. On one end, if I had never heard Aeris pronounced, I can see why he says Aeris. On the other, the game has been out for 20 years and this video is about Zack. In Crisis Core, she is repeatedly referred to as Aerith and it's pronounced by multiple characters including Zack and Aerith herself when she introduces herself. That's why I'm kind of surprised he isn't saying it correctly. Having played the game, it's almost like he's intentionally mispronouncing it because what other alternative is there? It's funny because in his FFX videos he says Tidus right (TEEdus) Regardless, it doesn't bother me too much though. Maybe he's just been saying Aries for 20 years and doesn't want to change it.
To be honest, I pronounced Aeris that way since I was a kid because I thought it was a mistranslation of the zodiac sign Aries, which is the type of esoteric latinized naming conventions Square loves to use for its more ‘supernatural’ characters (e.g. Terra/Luna)… it’s not nearly as bad as how I pronounce Rinoa though.
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This an old video
You got some catching up to do with the supposedly remake Xd
Well, to me it's more of a Sequel then a remake but try explaining that to toxic purists and fans who never touched the compilation xd
For some reasons this video was in my recommendation
Not complaining Xd
One minor thing that you didn't mention but that I find very interesting about the DMW system from Crisis Core is how it relates to one of the taglines of the game, which is "Men cry not for themselves, but for their comrades". I really liked how much emphasis they put on Zack's relationships with other people in that game
yeessss such a good point
Crisis Core does an excellent job at endearing you to Zack. It makes you attached and you legitimately fight hard to save the character, even though we all knew he was going to eat those bullets.
But dammit, if you don't feel like you can change it in the moment.
we definitely need more zack. and as seen in the new screenshots the sword references him slightly, so i can't wait for the next game to go to gongaga so i can see some more info on him.
More Zack would be great imo. Have u played the remake and if u have what’s your opinion of it??
Currently playing it, but I'm in the final third of the game I'd say. A couple of minor things I'm questioning, but overall I'm enjoying so far. How about you, did you play it yet?
Not many people care understanding Zack
I have seen many people understanding Cloud etc.
But *NO ONE* wants to understand Zack, they just cast him away
And the people who cast him away are
1: Clerith who hate the fact Zack was with Aerith and that he is alive now *TRUST ME they are boiling*
2: People who hate Zack's existence and *THINK* he will steal Clouds place some how *which is a very stupid thinking*
So you have people hate him for no reason and be unfair
I mean I've seen more people clowning on Cloud and reducing him to a Zack clone in comparison to Zack hate. Furthermore, with the new introduction of Zack more Zack fans have been hell-bent on having Cloud killed and Zack being the main protagonist since they claim that 'Zack's the real hero' even though it was always written and said to be Cloud
@@rightnow104
Yes i have seen those kind of people too but i can assure you that those people are very very *few*
And those *few* people who hate on Cloud is because of all the hate they have gotten about Zack . I had the opportunity to witness the FANDOM's toxicity and how cancer it is and i can assure you that the reason those people hate on Cloud is because of the FANDOM's toxicity . I can bet that 80 with 90% of the FANDOM hates on Zack . Many fans starting to rise up to those assh*les and a lot of conflict is happening between the fans
I personally love Cloud and i know that even the people who hated on Cloud because of the FANDOM they love him too but its the hatred and trash talk that have made these people *reach their limits*
I love BOTH Cloud and Zack and i wish we could get a better ending with Zack and Cloud together { not like that } . But the FANDOM has other plans
In any case if you are wondering why i want such thing or why i feel this way am opened to talk and explain you some things about the story that lacks and has flaws since the Original ending back in 1997 !
@@monkeydjimmy5169 I couldn't have worded this better myself, it's also a shame that it's a very vocal minority who consistently shit on these characters when they clearly respect each other in the game. Honestly I want to see more Cloud and Zack friendship if they ever do bring back Zack or at least flashbacks of it just to shut some of these people up.
I would also love to hear more about your opinion, they are really well thought out and written compared to the absolute nonsense I've read from toxic fans. Wish we had more fans like you to discuss with.
@@rightnow104
I agree but trust me they won't shut up if that happens lol
You can bet Sleepizy and some other RUclipsrs will have a say in this along with the *toxic FANDOM* supporting them to the fullest
But honestly i don't give a shit anymore
If the devs are so blind and only care about making money and nothing more : And they cannot see the flaws they created *themeslves* since f*cking 1997 with the ending of the original and they admitted themselves that the ending was a bad ending and basically all your efforts were thrown to the f*cking toilet and got flashed onto the sewers . And they poorly tried to cover up their shit by saying { *the ending was good depending on each players perspective* }
I bet Kitase thought : Ouf ! I really dodged a bullet there with the fans ! I bet they are stupid enough that they gonna buy this shit and they won't notice the flaws we left there !
And his old ass was right , because the FANDOM *NOT ONLY* bought their story but they *SWALLOWED IT ALL THE WAY DOWN THEIR THROUGHTS TILL YOU HEAR THE SOUND OF GLOUP* !
I am trying to stay away from the FANDOM as much as possible
3:02
They wanted to explore Zack's character since 1997?
I didn't know that
Interesting!
Cloud OG concept art was very similar to Zack's appearance. In the making they had said it just didn't stick out enough so they went with blonde hair spikey hair. Ironic enough, Zack's look was the OG vision but they went with Clouds look who was drawn to have the same outfit & sword...very similar to how Zack & Cloud's relationship is in the actual game.
I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure the OG concept art for Cloud was actually used for Angeal, not Zack.
@@chocobro3198 your very wrong. It was used for zack.
april maryland there was this very early concept art of Cloud which is kinda similar to how Zack looks like. Also they did considered having Cloud to have slick back dark hair to contrast Sephirot’s silver long hair but then that concept was used for Angeal’s appearance so you are both right.
@@ele7en117 that's the artwork im speaking on. They felt it didn't stand out enough so they went with the yellow spikey hair ... FF7 came out the same time DBZ was at its peak ...anime in general..that type of artwork was very eye catching to the western because they wasn't used to seeing it ... Black was too bland because goku already had black hair ...the yellow stuck out because it was a natural yellow not a transformation
I have understand *BOTH* Cloud and Zack
Zack isn't the typical Shonen happy character
Otherwise the same could be said to Cloud, been the typical emo character
The reason I like Zack a little bit more then Cloud its because he reminds me of Naruto, what do I mean by that :
He starts as a young arrogant teenage boy and ends up becoming a man
Through his experience he changes and grows up
His pain, suffering and struggle will ALWAYS begin after Angeal leaves and betrays Shinra
Having Zack start questioning *IF* what he is doing or what Shinra is doing is right
Questioning his own morals till the end
Zack is not happy, but he has to smile to hide his pain, to stay strong for him self and others, he wanna make other people's pain go away because he understands them and feels them
When Aerith or Cloud is happy Zack is happy as well, if any of them are in pain or sad he feels that pain
Zack *acts tough* but he is not, *IF ANYONE PAYS ATTENTION TO THE FACKING CHARACTER AT ALL, EVEN 1 BIT* they will see that he tries to hold back his feelings
And there were many times where Zack was ready to break but he managed to keep his sh*t together
Except...... The moment he killed Angeal with his own hands, that was a lot even for him to take
I can't imagine the time it took him to get back at his feet
Aerith and Cloudand Kunsel were there for him as well
He kept standing up
I do not hate Cloud *NEITHER* Zack
I love both characters why f*cking hate someone without a f*cking reason?
I recently played Crisis Core and I love Zack.
Zack’s New English VA sounds like Sonic the Hedgehog so cringy and Terrible
It hurts my soul 😭😭😭
Rick Gomez was perfect for Zack
Yeah Gomez was the best IMO.
Hey its a vid about the gongaga man
Very well thought out and comprehensive. I was a little wary of watching since Zack's character is my favorite of the franchise, but it was very enjoyable and I can't think of anything I disagreed with. Excellent contrast between him and Genesis with how Mr. Rhapsodos is much more dreamy and Zack is actually very grounded. Optimistic does not equal simple-minded, and you illustrated that quite nicely with Zack's character analysis. Great job.
Thanks Eowyn I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Zack and Cloud AKA
#BestBroMance
Great video, I've never seen the death of Aerith and Zach presented in a way where they were able to join each other in the life stream. I like that as an ending. I've heard that in the Japanese version of the game, Zach and Aerith were never actually dating and it was just a translation error in the English version, but Square decided to go with it for Crisis Core. Keep up the good work!
Interesting point there. I like that they ran with the romance angle though - it adds so much more weight to his demise.
6:43 with the idea about the shoulder pauldron, being a visual metaphor between Cloud and Zack, was one of those out of nowhere epiphany/light bulb moments. I was looking at Final Fantasy 25th Memorial Ultimania VII-IX artbook I'd noticed with the character models they worn the same clothes, and then thinking how Cloud has the one pauldron it was *bing* "dude does that mean I what it means!" And thus, the idea/theory was born
Loving the content jack been soaking it all in! These making an excellent group watch drink every time you heard the word 'contemporary' and then discuss the points laid out in the video.
Excellent! 🍺
I'm so mad if Zack's going to be alive in Remake.
As you can tell from my User-name, Zack ist my most favorite Character. He is so lovable, goofy, nice, funny, honorable and always there for those dearest to him. I was heartbroken at the ending of Crisis Core even though I exactly knew what was about to happen. His death has auch an emotional impact after having gotten to know him so well in crisis core.
Sure - Zack being alive and reuniting with Aerith would be the Happy Ending he deserves. But live doesn't always happen this way. Part of why he is my favorite character is because of his tragic fate. Because even the nicest ones don't always get a happy ending.
Having him alive would take away all of that. And ultimately it would mean that nobody needs to suffer and everybody gets a happy ending. But life just doesnt work that way
Apart from Zack as a Person, his death is crucial to the story and Clouds mental state. His plot is of such a significance to Clouds past that I can't Imagine how they'll handle the massive changes. Him beeing alive leads to none of clouds mental state, his behavior, his past and his Motivation making any sense. As sad as it is: Zack (and Aerith, too, by the way) HAVE to die.
Final Fantasy VII is about loss and coping with it. With Zack and Aerith being alive it won't be Final Fantasy VII anymore. Just some bad fanfiction.
Completely agree
I agree. As sorely tempted as I am by the prospect of seeing an alternate timeline in which Zack survived, as much as my heart aches for the guy, it would irreparably mar that which makes FFVII special. I won't allow myself to form a permanent opinion of Remake until it is complete, but I really hope the developers know what they're doing... I will say that I'm enjoying Remake so far, for the most part. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the closing moments of Part 1 weren't an indication that they're about to fuck it all up.
I have to agree. Upon seeing that Zack survived in remake I like so many others, did have “fangasims” of a Zack/Cloud team up. But then, how would that work? Cloud is mentally destroyed from witnessing Zacks death. Them just being separated wouldn’t cause that trauma to Cloud. And even if someone stole/kidnapped Cloud while Zack was fighting, Zack would be chasing them down to get Cloud back. Zack just spent a whole year protecting Cloud, he wouldn’t just give up on him.
Then we got the dlc. And I can’t picture Zack stashing Cloud somewhere while he goes to the church to see Aerith either. Zack knows they are being hunted, so he’d never leave Cloud somewhere alone and unprotected, not even to visit Aerith. So either comatose Cloud is off screen on the steps, or Zacks character is about to be assassinated by bad writing.
I think that is why so many people say it’s got to be multiverse shenanigans going on. And that, just scares me.
Am just waiting for the Clerith or the hated of Zack to jump in and start sh*tt*NG all over the character Xd
I just want to see more of Cloud and Zack in the remake
@@rightnow104
Same ❣
Me? Gongaga.
😅
The remake definitely gave a lot of nods or references to his character. For instance, I think Stamp, the Shinra cartoon propaganda references him because in Crisis Core it was stated that Angeal gave him a nickname, Zack the Puppy. Then, there's Aerith/Aeris giving Cloud questions or actions that really references his character lol. I wish there was someone out there who would point out all the Crisis Core references in the remake since I don't have the luxury to enjoy the game currently. But, nice analysis. Hope your content improves.
There's a Banora White advertisement poster inside the Shinra Train Station.
his life was anything but fair
I always thought that the real reason cloud wasn’t able to get into Soldier wasn’t because he was not physically able but rather that he lacked self confidence to be able to achieve his goals, so therefore when he took on some of Zacks personality he gained his self confidence as well and that’s how he achieves feats worthy of being in solider.
Anyone notice how Zack’s scar if looked at sideways is a seven o_o
YEEEESSS been waiting for this :,,)
The way you pronounce Aerith is different 😁 sounds like a Greek God named Ares. I'll get used to it though love your video BWT. Thanks for making it and putting a good time into it.
Yeah I've addressed this since, and I have a long history of terrible FF pronunciations. Thanks for putting up with it though and glad you enjoyed it :)
Her name was originally Aeris in the PC version. They changed it to Aerith in everything that came after cus they thought it was too hard for Americans to pronounce i assume. Ironic.
@@gentlemansquarrel190 we call that FF7 OG lol but what you described is same for all FF7 OG. It's a translation error from what i gather. In Japanese Aerith is pronounced Aeris because they pronounce the "TH" as "S" its simply an error one that we all must fix. It's meant to be Aerith and never Aeris.
9:00 - Are you familiar with the term 'ludonarrative harmony'?
Read about ludonarrative dissonance not long ago while researching something else. Interesting concept that's specific to storytelling in games and narrative/gameplay cohesion. I can see what you mean by ludonarrative harmony there
@@AlleywayJack I mean, I haven't played the game you mentioned. But it sounds like it might apply, and in any case I thought you'd find it an interesting concept.
New to the channel, btw - and glad I found it :) keep it up!
@@PhilipXanderMusic Thanks Philip :)
Great video. I can't recall if you did a review of the Turks org. With the extended material, including Vincent's past history, you get a very interesting take...
Yeah, I love the Turks and there’s plenty to consider there with all the extended material. Although I haven’t played DoC in about 10 years I can hardly remember it!
@@AlleywayJack Yeah, I hear ya. In fairness, it does not offer much regarding the nameless Turks (aside from Cisseni, which becomes more relevant for Zack). But, the institutional culture and overarching discourse from the solo Vincent game with Crisis Core provides an interesting narrative, to which you alluded in your work on Shinra. Let me know if you ever want some different perspectives about the FF series. Would love to help with material if you're interested. Take it easy!
When you show up late to the party 😂 I watched one video, immediately subscribed, and now I am just trying to catch up.
Go binge :)
One thing I don't understand if why Zack have to drag Cloud to Midgar and not place him some where safe like a hotel or somewhere and just pay extra. Cloud is unconscious and an extra weight to him so yeah...
They were being actively chased by Shinra troops. No place is safe enough for any of them.
Zack was also never going leave a) a friend b) such a vulnerable person to fend for themselves in such dangerous circumstances
Then zack would be a complete different character
Wow called it
I remember playing this for the first time without the context for 7 a good ten years ago and being blown away by the audacity to brutally murder the main character. Like holy shit, I thought Final Fantasy was just a fun sci-fi flick at that age. I’ve since played 7, and it’s a fantastic game that’s aged very well, but the notion of a remake continuing the presentation and essence of Crisis Core, ala the RE2 Remake has always made me giddy. I hope whatever Square Enix does with the 7 Remake is something fresh and exciting again - it’s the best I can hope for after such a disappointing string of titles with a couple of great games (FF14, NieR, DQ11) on the side.
I don't think I've met anyone who played Crisis Core first! What a shock that must have been.
@@AlleywayJack I've played Crisis Core first 🙂
What do you think of the remake now?
@@silvrr2 also curious on that
I must say, I'm really enjoying your content, late to the party though I am. I find myself irresistibly compelled to ask, though: are you aware of yourself occasionally pronouncing "Aerith" (personal preference over "Aeris", don't mind me) as "Ares", as in the Greek god of war?
Thanks, glad you're enjoying it so far. Yeah I'm conscious I say Aerith wrong sometimes, it's a bad habit from when I was a kid and couldn't read lol. I mentioned it in my Aerith episode.
@@AlleywayJack That's fair lol.
How in the actual fuck do you and four eight production's pronounce Aeris' name like the god of war. It's AIR-IS. Drives me up the wall. Otherwise, great video.
Fintastrophe Actually it's Aer-ith...
@@sappyjoker fine, your u can use ff7 default name for her or Advent children but would you pronounce it air eeth? My point here is I just don't see how some people see Aeris' and think " ohhh that I is pronounced EE". like wtf...
Fintastrophe I see your point. I can see both sides. On one end, if I had never heard Aeris pronounced, I can see why he says Aeris. On the other, the game has been out for 20 years and this video is about Zack. In Crisis Core, she is repeatedly referred to as Aerith and it's pronounced by multiple characters including Zack and Aerith herself when she introduces herself. That's why I'm kind of surprised he isn't saying it correctly. Having played the game, it's almost like he's intentionally mispronouncing it because what other alternative is there? It's funny because in his FFX videos he says Tidus right (TEEdus) Regardless, it doesn't bother me too much though. Maybe he's just been saying Aries for 20 years and doesn't want to change it.
To be honest, I pronounced Aeris that way since I was a kid because I thought it was a mistranslation of the zodiac sign Aries, which is the type of esoteric latinized naming conventions Square loves to use for its more ‘supernatural’ characters (e.g. Terra/Luna)… it’s not nearly as bad as how I pronounce Rinoa though.
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what a loser