I would like to add a comment here… No I am not Comanche, I am Seneca, and I feel this would safely apply. I do respect what you are doing in your research… That is important. Too many things have been lost or forgotten. But I would caution that we as American Indian people are not just written about in pages or in old photographs. We are still a living and vibrant part of American culture today, so why not approach Comanche elders and asked if they would be willing to share their knowledge and traditions about their form of archery? That would save a lot of time guessing and experimenting, when you can get it from the actual source. Just a thought.
That would be wonderful! If you happen to know any that that would be willing to share or could point me in the direction as to how to contact someone that would be great! And very appreciated! So far everything along those lines have not been very fruitful.
That’s a great point brother! I was thinking the same thing only with meaner things rolling around in my mind. I have mixed feelings about this but bring a gift of tobacco or something that the tribe values and ask politely for information. Gift first then you can probably find out what you want to know. Just thoughts from an Anishanaabe man
Absolutely this. My dad served in the Airforce with a man who is Comanche. He's been Uncle Lonny my whole life, but what I didn't know was he is the grandson of a Brave who passed down this art to his father and his father to him. He's on the Oklahoma Rez. In 2019 I got interested in archery? Started practicing and was also intrigued by the concept of mounted archery. Started studying Mongolian and other East Asian forms. When Uncle Lonny visited that year he was impressed with how fully I was diving into it and started to show me some basic tricks that I didn't know were comanche. Thus included simple drills and methods of holding the bow and the draw type depending on if you are going full draw or more instinctual. Over time, he came to show me that he was passing down some of those techniques. I talk to him frequently, and since he doesn't have children of his own, his passing this down to me has been a HUGE honor. Last year, he brought me to a bowyer that crafted an osage orange bow in the form of Comanche/Kiowa/Apache construction. I didn't realize how lucky I was till I did more research and realized just how lost of an art this is. There are plenty of closed practices due to over comodification and "stolen valor" for lack of a better term. But the practice of this style of archery is different because of how few still know it. I would like to become good enough one day to teach it because it absolutely needs to be preserved. I myself am not Comanche by blood, I am half Otomi(Mexican indigenous) but I would want to pass it on to more Comanche people who are willing to learn it if I can get good enough. I'm not trying to toot my own horn or sing my praises. It's an honor and a feeling of responsibility. It's an artform that belongs to the people of turtle Island.
Looking at the style of Lars Anderson in his video about Comanche style archery, my question is about shooting bison. It appears the bow was held lower and didn't use the line of sight as shown here for shooting higher targets. I understand you had to be very close to bison to shoot the arrow into the right spot, which would mean a downward angle with the bow. Any insight on how that was done on horseback? Thank you for making this great video.
Nothing changes from ground to horse back the bow will shoot exactly the same and the arrow will travel the same. They would normally shoot a bison through the liver so you only need to get close enough to shoot through the small of the back. Myself and lots of others world wide are able to shoot a 5” circle at a full gallop a 45 yards. Although not an easy shot archers do it all the time. A nine to seven meter shot in a 5” circle at a full gallop is extremely common. So no you don’t have to be extremely close and while shooting through the liver you are not hitting any bone upon entry just soft tissue so an arrow with a sharp broadhead shot through even a moderately heavy bow would be able to get deep penetration and in some cases a complete pass through. I hope this answer your question. FYI I normally shoot a 50#-60# bow of this type and quite often get complete passthroughs on deer and some hogs. I hope this helps!
Keep up the videos, you've inspired my quiver setup. I turned a racoon into a quiver similar to yours. I know you're primarily shooting for competition, but Comanches used broadheads. Pulling broadhead arrows out of a soft quiver is far slower! I've been experimenting with the arrow heads outside of the quiver and fletchings inside.
I've always wondered about that, some of the styles people use would slice their fingers up with broadheads or flint heads attacked to the arrows. Some of the styles of shooting Lars Anderson experiments would never work with a sharp tip.
13:29 - 14:05 I'll have to give that a try next time I get the chance to shoot.👍🏹 Been working on shooting methods including what Lars Andersen and Dave Mead have shown for their Comanche archery project, so I'll have to try this too and see how this would work (except held closer to the feathers to not have to reach as far)
Thanks for this great video. I have been trying to learn from Anderssons or actually Clay Hayes the three pre-loaded arrows that you demonstrated, and also reached the conclusions you mentioned that the three arrows will be shot from different heights on the bow. This can probably be done accurate with practice, but maybe out of my reach. Another thing with this technique that I also have a problem with (shooting a 50# english longbow) is that I can't get a solid grip of the bow that allows full draw, without putting pressure on or potentially breaking the arrows. I normally have about five arrows in the bowhand, pointing downwards, but picking them from the right side and threading them between bow and string when nocking. Probably not good if having cutting arrows, risking to cut the string. I'll try your way of picking the arrows from the left side.
i want to buy that bunch of arrows and that bow to train my self into comanche archery, i think it is cool, any body? maybe some link to amazon, anyway, great video, and that way of grabing the arrow is very clever, now i get it, cheers.
In the movie Prey, on Hulu, the Comanche had a ververse draw grip. The director used comanche for the authenticity. Can you add to it. Looks easier to draw like that
Maybe you've tried this already, idk, but this is what I've been experimenting with while holding the arrows with all four fingers; Have you done it by reaching with your finger and thumb from "above" the string, under the hand, to grab the nock and lift it up into place on the string? With a short brace height, as far as I've tried, it's "easy enough" (practice, yeah) to do pretty quickly. With a higher brace height where I can't reach from behind the string, I grab 'through the bow' behind the feathers with first two fingers like scissors, thumb on the groove of the nock, lift it up and then the thumb slides over the string to get that 3-finger pinch grip and then shoot. But yeah, maybe you've done this already but if not I figured I'd put that out there for you and anyone else who might be watching this video.
I am assuming you are talking about the Lars Anderson and Dave Mead style of shooting. Yes I have tried that way and it will work but I fall back into the same problem of having to hold the arrows by the fletching in order to get the nocks in the right position with a low brace height. Although it can be remedied with a higher brace height. Most historical records show the brace height to be in the 4”-5”range instead of 6”- +range on plains bows so I try to stay under 5” brace height. My bows last longer at a lower brace height also. Since I made that video I’ve been working on another way of holding them in my draw hand and using a Native American pinch lock, I’m really liking it.Whin I get time I’ll make a video showing it. Thanks for your comment.
@@horsesandarchery8798 oh yeah I've had that problem too, that's not what I mean though. Holding them not pre-loaded horizontal the way those guys have them straight out, but just flat up against the bow pretty much vertically so that with a short brace height you can reach for them the same way or can reach under your wrist, between the limb and the string, that kind of thing.
I’m just going buy some first hand accounts stating arrows being carried across the lap on horse back, no account ever states how just that it happened. I’m sure they were carried different ways. The truth is none of us really know (I mean can actually prove any of it) because none of us were actually there recording in a Comanche raid or hunt, all we can do is hear someone that say they have a first hand accounts, actually witnessed it, it doesn’t matter if the accounts come from a book or our great grandfather then ask them to actually demonstrate it or experiment with that method ourselves then determine if we believe it to be credible. That’s how I approach it any way. Thanks for your comment! If you know of a different method that doesn’t involve modifying the quiver rendering it not historically accurate pleas let us know by taking a video demonstration and share it with us I am truly interested. Thanks!
You should watch Lars Andersen. He's got Comanche horse archery figured out. He can loose like 4 arrows before the first arrow hits the target, which is something all the sources say the comanche were able to do.. He carries at least four arrows in the bow hand with a fifth on the bow string. He grips the next arrow over the bowstring, and it works flawlessly. You also need to hold the bow more horizontally toward the right with the arrows resting on top of the bow. They shot intuitively. You need a more Comanche style shortbow. Yours is too large.
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Experimental archaeology at its finest.
Well done. Quite the journey you are on. Wish you the best of luck.
Great video. I'm n the process of making a osage orange Comanche bow. Let the stave cure for two years. Have made 75 arrows. I'm ready
I love the bow and gears but I had to fast forward to where u show the shooting,thanks for sharing👍
Nice video,I learned a lot. 👍first timer.
Thank you for this video, Sir:)
Excellent content thank you for your knowledge.
Very interested in this style lock. Planning on trying it out.
Super helpful thank you!
I posted a vlog where I did horse archery bc u inspired me!♥
I would like to add a comment here… No I am not Comanche, I am Seneca, and I feel this would safely apply. I do respect what you are doing in your research… That is important. Too many things have been lost or forgotten. But I would caution that we as American Indian people are not just written about in pages or in old photographs. We are still a living and vibrant part of American culture today, so why not approach Comanche elders and asked if they would be willing to share their knowledge and traditions about their form of archery? That would save a lot of time guessing and experimenting, when you can get it from the actual source. Just a thought.
That would be wonderful! If you happen to know any that that would be willing to share or could point me in the direction as to how to contact someone that would be great! And very appreciated! So far everything along those lines have not been very fruitful.
@@horsesandarchery8798 Go down to Oklahoma to near Lawton.
@@TexExpatriate1 thanks I’ll do that. I found the Comanche Nation Visitor Center in Lawton. Do you have any other suggestions on ware to look.
That’s a great point brother! I was thinking the same thing only with meaner things rolling around in my mind. I have mixed feelings about this but bring a gift of tobacco or something that the tribe values and ask politely for information. Gift first then you can probably find out what you want to know. Just thoughts from an Anishanaabe man
Absolutely this. My dad served in the Airforce with a man who is Comanche. He's been Uncle Lonny my whole life, but what I didn't know was he is the grandson of a Brave who passed down this art to his father and his father to him. He's on the Oklahoma Rez. In 2019 I got interested in archery? Started practicing and was also intrigued by the concept of mounted archery. Started studying Mongolian and other East Asian forms. When Uncle Lonny visited that year he was impressed with how fully I was diving into it and started to show me some basic tricks that I didn't know were comanche. Thus included simple drills and methods of holding the bow and the draw type depending on if you are going full draw or more instinctual.
Over time, he came to show me that he was passing down some of those techniques. I talk to him frequently, and since he doesn't have children of his own, his passing this down to me has been a HUGE honor.
Last year, he brought me to a bowyer that crafted an osage orange bow in the form of Comanche/Kiowa/Apache construction. I didn't realize how lucky I was till I did more research and realized just how lost of an art this is. There are plenty of closed practices due to over comodification and "stolen valor" for lack of a better term. But the practice of this style of archery is different because of how few still know it. I would like to become good enough one day to teach it because it absolutely needs to be preserved. I myself am not Comanche by blood, I am half Otomi(Mexican indigenous) but I would want to pass it on to more Comanche people who are willing to learn it if I can get good enough.
I'm not trying to toot my own horn or sing my praises. It's an honor and a feeling of responsibility. It's an artform that belongs to the people of turtle Island.
Great video thanks!
Вот, здорово! Мне очень понравилось.
Thank you.
how many pounds of pull and at what draw length
Looking at the style of Lars Anderson in his video about Comanche style archery, my question is about shooting bison. It appears the bow was held lower and didn't use the line of sight as shown here for shooting higher targets. I understand you had to be very close to bison to shoot the arrow into the right spot, which would mean a downward angle with the bow. Any insight on how that was done on horseback? Thank you for making this great video.
Nothing changes from ground to horse back the bow will shoot exactly the same and the arrow will travel the same. They would normally shoot a bison through the liver so you only need to get close enough to shoot through the small of the back. Myself and lots of others world wide are able to shoot a 5” circle at a full gallop a 45 yards. Although not an easy shot archers do it all the time. A nine to seven meter shot in a 5” circle at a full gallop is extremely common. So no you don’t have to be extremely close and while shooting through the liver you are not hitting any bone upon entry just soft tissue so an arrow with a sharp broadhead shot through even a moderately heavy bow would be able to get deep penetration and in some cases a complete pass through. I hope this answer your question. FYI I normally shoot a 50#-60# bow of this type and quite often get complete passthroughs on deer and some hogs. I hope this helps!
Keep up the videos, you've inspired my quiver setup. I turned a racoon into a quiver similar to yours.
I know you're primarily shooting for competition, but Comanches used broadheads. Pulling broadhead arrows out of a soft quiver is far slower! I've been experimenting with the arrow heads outside of the quiver and fletchings inside.
I've always wondered about that, some of the styles people use would slice their fingers up with broadheads or flint heads attacked to the arrows. Some of the styles of shooting Lars Anderson experiments would never work with a sharp tip.
Great stuff, what you’re doing.
Genius.. Well done
13:29 - 14:05 I'll have to give that a try next time I get the chance to shoot.👍🏹 Been working on shooting methods including what Lars Andersen and Dave Mead have shown for their Comanche archery project, so I'll have to try this too and see how this would work (except held closer to the feathers to not have to reach as far)
Excellent video! Unfortunately the audio cuts in and out a bit.
would you be in the market for selling those style arrows?
Thanks for this great video. I have been trying to learn from Anderssons or actually Clay Hayes the three pre-loaded arrows that you demonstrated, and also reached the conclusions you mentioned that the three arrows will be shot from different heights on the bow. This can probably be done accurate with practice, but maybe out of my reach.
Another thing with this technique that I also have a problem with (shooting a 50# english longbow) is that I can't get a solid grip of the bow that allows full draw, without putting pressure on or potentially breaking the arrows.
I normally have about five arrows in the bowhand, pointing downwards, but picking them from the right side and threading them between bow and string when nocking. Probably not good if having cutting arrows, risking to cut the string. I'll try your way of picking the arrows from the left side.
Let us know how it works for you. Thanks for your insight
Lord bless him. And his stlye.
i want to buy that bunch of arrows and that bow to train my self into comanche archery, i think it is cool, any body? maybe some link to amazon, anyway, great video, and that way of grabing the arrow is very clever, now i get it, cheers.
In the movie Prey, on Hulu, the Comanche had a ververse draw grip. The director used comanche for the authenticity. Can you add to it. Looks easier to draw like that
They didn't really shoot like that.
Maybe you've tried this already, idk, but this is what I've been experimenting with while holding the arrows with all four fingers;
Have you done it by reaching with your finger and thumb from "above" the string, under the hand, to grab the nock and lift it up into place on the string? With a short brace height, as far as I've tried, it's "easy enough" (practice, yeah) to do pretty quickly. With a higher brace height where I can't reach from behind the string, I grab 'through the bow' behind the feathers with first two fingers like scissors, thumb on the groove of the nock, lift it up and then the thumb slides over the string to get that 3-finger pinch grip and then shoot.
But yeah, maybe you've done this already but if not I figured I'd put that out there for you and anyone else who might be watching this video.
I am assuming you are talking about the Lars Anderson and Dave Mead style of shooting. Yes I have tried that way and it will work but I fall back into the same problem of having to hold the arrows by the fletching in order to get the nocks in the right position with a low brace height. Although it can be remedied with a higher brace height. Most historical records show the brace height to be in the 4”-5”range instead of 6”- +range on plains bows so I try to stay under 5” brace height. My bows last longer at a lower brace height also. Since I made that video I’ve been working on another way of holding them in my draw hand and using a Native American pinch lock, I’m really liking it.Whin I get time I’ll make a video showing it. Thanks for your comment.
@@horsesandarchery8798 oh yeah I've had that problem too, that's not what I mean though. Holding them not pre-loaded horizontal the way those guys have them straight out, but just flat up against the bow pretty much vertically so that with a short brace height you can reach for them the same way or can reach under your wrist, between the limb and the string, that kind of thing.
@@DerekBartlettBeorn I see I’ll give that a try thanks!
The best sir 👍
greetings sir.lovely explanation🙂❤.you did well bringing back comanchy archery . are there any young comanchy people who learned from there elders?
I’m sure there is but so far I haven’t seen or heard of any applying that knowledge the the sport of mounted archery.
Let's hope they follow there tradition.thak you sir.
Good👍
Its good thinking and experimenting but that’s not how the bow case and arrows was worn. The strap wasn’t crossed and brought in front
I’m just going buy some first hand accounts stating arrows being carried across the lap on horse back, no account ever states how just that it happened. I’m sure they were carried different ways. The truth is none of us really know (I mean can actually prove any of it) because none of us were actually there recording in a Comanche raid or hunt, all we can do is hear someone that say they have a first hand accounts, actually witnessed it, it doesn’t matter if the accounts come from a book or our great grandfather then ask them to actually demonstrate it or experiment with that method ourselves then determine if we believe it to be credible. That’s how I approach it any way. Thanks for your comment! If you know of a different method that doesn’t involve modifying the quiver rendering it not historically accurate pleas let us know by taking a video demonstration and share it with us I am truly interested. Thanks!
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Good video, but what happened to the sound??
Please invest in a wireless microphone so we can benefit from your efforts,
You should watch Lars Andersen. He's got Comanche horse archery figured out. He can loose like 4 arrows before the first arrow hits the target, which is something all the sources say the comanche were able to do.. He carries at least four arrows in the bow hand with a fifth on the bow string. He grips the next arrow over the bowstring, and it works flawlessly. You also need to hold the bow more horizontally toward the right with the arrows resting on top of the bow. They shot intuitively. You need a more Comanche style shortbow. Yours is too large.
the pound for the bow is very important. in all my 70 year experience at least a 40 -5 is ideal, and the bow could be shorter.
He knows this as does most hunters and avid short bow enthusiasts
volume is too low to hear much
Use transcript
Sry, I quit the video due to the terrible audio.
I know the wend was terrible I switched to a voiceover a little ways into the video. Sorry
No that was a different video😂 sorry I’m not making any money from my videos so I’m just us my cell phone mainly sharing ideas.
Low and poor attention span lmao
Your sound quality is just horrible