Getting Overwhelmed in M+
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
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You are awesome man!!! I appreciate these mythic plus videos so much!!! Keep killing it, keep being awesome!!!
This video should be on the launcher, Mike. I live exclusively in the pug world(because i love punishing myself ofc), and there are so many people that does not know or do not care about mechanics.if it cant be nuked down, there is something wrong with X or Y. People need to know! Enlighten the people, Michael! in Preach we trust!
Well thats a fight against windmills.
The saddest thing is that people STILL don't know the mechanics of the dungeons at the time I'm writing this (End of November 2019) - and STILL blame the healer when they die to easily avoidable damage.
It''s a good instructional video, sadly here is how it goes on live:
Person goes into Mythic0: "Hey, please let's take this slower and not aoe pull and burst everything so I can learn something from the instance".
*Kicked from party*
Solution: form your own group.
That's what happened to me during leveling in BFA. I used to run quite many Mythic+ in PuG group during Legion, but took a break. Just got in BFA a week ago. During leveling, people would flame and kick me for not knowing an instance inside out the first time I even set my foot in there.
I don't pug anymore.
@@Teododoom cause, elitists expect you to watch videos on it or find out what to do instead of learning inside the game itself, I'm a pretty chill player when it comes to that but I myself already knew routes and tricks before setting foot inside dungeon first day of xpac, and that's without being invited to beta
Without even having to dedicate time to it either, just a small video here n there while eating or doing my daily tasks
Get friends to learn it on mythic 0
There's that weird moment where you are a player who has the base skill set built into them of dodging everything and adapting to mechanics as they come.
Then one day you decide, well... what if I let myself get hit by that? Then you get one shot or have a brutal DoT thrown on you and you're like oh, so thats what it does.
Daily life of a WW Monk who tries to maximize his Touch of Karma dmg. 😂
I actually learnt a lot this way by playing with my rogue in m+ this expansion. Always been a warlock, so im terrible at melee range but i know i cant die cause im a rogue... i ended up being a better player cause i actually learnt what things did to me and to the grp instead of just dodging mechanics and dpsing from a safe distance
FFXIV oneshot aoes have taught me to dodge everything regardless of what it may or may not do.
I really liked this TDP! Learned a lot from this. Not only about freehold and the adds, but how to approach a new dungeon.
(mostly because I've runned a couple of freeholds and have made a few mistakes with kicking the painful motivation).
Seriously mike, this is the best video you've made in regards to M+, thanks alot bro :) (been watching you vids from the start!)
As someone who has been trying to get more into M+ these past two weeks, this video has been really fkn helpful! couldn't have come at a better time haha
Preach.. you bastard... You got me back into this game when you did the DH video in search of a new / fun class to play... Love you man
Ive done this dungeon a few times, enough to time it at 16. I hope to eventually get the mount after running it as often as I do lmao but Preach just has such a way with words. I ran this dungeon countless amount of times, but I could not explain this dungeon in such great detail like Preach can.
How to keep track of all the stuff going on:
1. Read up on everything each pack does;
2. Understand how and when this can be a problem;
3. Ignore all the stuff that's not relevant to your class/spec/abilities;
4. Place the few remaining bits on a post-it on your screen;
5. Cry your heart out because of all the nice people you play with that didn't do the above;
Same is true if you use DBM/BW -> Disable everything, activate only the warnings for stuff you would otherwise miss or could use help with. Less nonsense ("I know I'm standing in shit, shut up") means more brainpower to focus on what's important, like casting Misdirection/Tricks of the Trade on the healer :3.
BFA had gotten a little dull just playing my warrior, but with some of your recent vids, you managed to motivate me to go out of my comfort zones and try a shaman.
I'm currently focussing on get her Elemental and Restoration specs up to a decent ilvl. I know shaman isn't the hottest class atm, but I like the fact that they have most of the utilities covered.
This video was an excellent example of how to observe problems and trying to figure out how best to tackle them. Great job Mike !
Mythic + with everyone on either all monk specs, or all druid specs.
not really i see more DK tanks Rogues and mages in mythic plus
you forgot paladins :P
How often do you see Feral or Guardian in m+?
I think he wants to see a mythic + run with all members of the group being a monk or a druid.
Heeeey you're not Sips
One thing I would love to see you do Preach, is getting enough IO score to get out of the
Healer Limbo: "How low can you go?" All my tank rage. ALL OF IT.
„don’t dispel “ preach 2018 😂😂😂just kidding you are awesome man thumbs up
I want to recommend a addon called questionably epic dungeons tips. It adds a small window in game and It tells you what every mob and boss does upon targeting it’s also role specific with priority targets. It’s great for newer players and players still learning!! Love your content keep it up dude!
Just a couple of tips for people who wants to perform better in this dungeon :)
The Range on the first boss should move outside the ring after the boss dismounts in order to not having to deal with dodging the parrot’s charge ability… This makes the fight alot simpler for range to deal with.
On the second boss, make sure you know which boss is friendly so you know which spells will be coming up and which won’t.
The third boss. Optimize your time while waiting on either pig, turtle or boss. Make sure to pull trash while waiting for them to spawn.
Try and learn to move as a group (if you are range, don't make melee and tank stand with you) on Harlan makes you waste much less space and makes it predictable where you can and can’t stand. This can be practiced very well in M0 with your group if you want to do this.
There are ofc more that can be done to optimize this dungeon run but this was just a very brief run down. If anyone have anything to add or see a mistake i made please let me know :)
"Explosives are a tank job" You have no idea how much fun I have triggering my tank friend by using that phrase:D Love this series Preach!
So I actually start resto Druid this expansion and notice you were have the same experience I was. Lifebloom actually blooms earlier if you refresh it 4 sec before it ends. Just that increased my lifebloom uptime, Burst healing, and overall hps. Awesome video
Really appreciate this video and this type of video. Very much reminds me of the workshops you used to do, which was the main reason I subscribed back in Cata. I really hope there’s more videos like this!!
I know someone in the past asked for this but im saying it anyways. I would really like for you to be able to hear what u guys talk in discord cause if you discuss some things like strats, pulls CC and other important things that cant be known without having access to the discord audio channel :) thanks for the video tho another preach awesome content.
Most things you say in voice at this level is usually talking shit and talking about random things, that's why you don't usually include it. You're already expected to know everything and voice only gets used to make very simple calls.
You should try out the Photosynthesis build, its incredibly strong for tank healing and it frees up globals for DPSing. Lifeboom ends up triggering so much from the multitude of HoTs.
I love watching your content, I just wish I still loved playing the game just as much.
This video was perfect. I get overwhelmed very easily in group content. There's so much going on I can't keep track of it all. That's what's been preventing me from ever even trying M+... that and player toxicity for someone who doesn't know the dungeons already.
One of the best raid tanks in the world, pulls in the most slow, inefficient way possible in m+. Great stuff :D
I did an m+7 Underrot this week. I was lucky to find a good group of patient people and we had a good dk tank. We did it, nobody left, all the guys stuck around till the end, despite like a million wipes. Whoever made this week's combo is a freaking masochist imo. When we did the final boss, we felt AWESOME. Total feeling of oh yea, victory! And at the same time we did feel frustrated throughout the dungeon.
Sweet. Yeah finding consistent teams is the biggest struggle for me. Most raiding guilds seems to not be as active in M+ so you’re having to mix and match a lot and mostly PuG. Just got to keep building it up I guess
I don't play bfa anymore but still watch your vids and they are still great source of content and info. keep it up!
real tip, how do you not get overwhelmed as a tank? find a learning group in any number of m+ communities, get a regular team. pull slow and pay attention and get your ui sorted so you can actually see wtf is going on. Elvui puts mob buffs above the name plate in a big way, make it larger if you need to. just make the information clear and available so when you notice it you can react.
Big problem with bfa is that the way we interact with these dungeons is via these tiny obscure and (kind of) hidden effects. It's not as obvious to less experienced players to dispel a tiny buff compared to doing an aoe stun that makes all of the mobs on the screen stop moving.
Its about information availabilty in the game
RE: Dispelling instantly, there are even some bait debuffs out there. Where you dispell some weak DoT and then a 15 second polymorph is cast.
I didn't even think that there were people who don't read mob names and deduce from it. Makes sense that's happening, it just never entered my head.
It's like having a coach! Thanks for this great video
This video made me reroll to a Resto Druid.
That looks incredibly fun.
Feels good to be a player who can dodge and know what is going on! Lovely warm feeling to be called good by Mike!
To be honest, the best thing i learned in this video is that ring of peace isn't pulling by itself ^^
I love these types of videos. Really inspires me to be a better player.
If you're someone who has trouble learning/remembering mechanics, each time you go into a run try to either focus on one mechanic and learn it well, or try to focus on a mechanic you didn't know much about before. Learning is all about focus, if you're able to make a topic important to your brain it will be far more likely to remember it. But it's easy to overload on information so try to take it in a little at a time. And once you know how things work, you'll find it more difficult to be overwhelmed.
M+....a place where you can have fun as certain specs and dread it as others.
Unlike Legion, most specs are actually viable now on higher keys since utility (apart from CC for infested mobs) isnt as important now as then and unavoidable 1 shot mechanics are almost non-existent. While some specs bring slightly better utility they arent mandatory and the only spec i would regard as god tier in that department is rogues. Even though Blood DKs are still dominant you can see that the other tanks are almost there and healer balance is 10 times better than in Legion. If your tank pulls accordingly to line up your cds with the bigger pulls then i would say the damage output is pretty even for most specs.
The reason why certain classes dont get invited is because 1k score players are looking at what 2k score players are running with and think that comp will give them a massive advantage when in reality +10s are very easy as long as the players know how to handle the infested affix.
@@staropramen478 I dunno my main is a warrior but i'm actually not doing any M+ on her cause it's just not fun. I do some (lower keys, ofc) on my lock cause it's a lot easier as a ranged guy.
@@Brekner Well prot warrior has really been under the radar for awhile now they are just too squishy compared to blood dk but arms still has one of the highest aoe bursts in the game and can pretty much delete mobs every other pull.
@@staropramen478 He never mentioned being Prot.
@brekner Catalin. Saying its easier as a ranged is subjective. There are loads of mechanics that interrupt casters, knockback, root, force you to move.
As a melee you have to move from certain things such as frontal cleaves, yeah.
Coming from a Caster / BM hunter main ( 1.6k score on IO )
Recently switched from BM to survival and im having more fun then i did as BM.
Just because youre not in front of mobs doesnt mean you get to slack more :)
*You should upload the VoDs of those new dungeons!*
I can't watch twitch with my internet and going through 5 hours long past broadcasts on twitch just to find "the good stuff" is so fucking painful, especially with bad internet where buffering takes a long time.
Lol, starts off with the camera shy half of the team saying “ ummmm, cat is on fire.....gotta go” 😂
Get the Method dungeon tools addon. Shows a detailed map of all the mobs in the dung, right clicking on mobs shows you all their abilities and if they can be CC'd etc.
Cool video. One thing that did annoy me a bit through your video as a resto druid was that you didn't 'pandemic' your lifebloom. Lifebloom blooms if it expires, or is refreshed in the pandemic timing. You had a cool little weakaura that showed it in its last 5 seconds (Its pandemic timing).
As for what you said in general, its all true. A lot of the time and I am guilty of this, is that pride gets in the way. I know what everything does, I know how dangerous things are and that CC would be really good. But people expect everything to be easy so waiting, and asking another player to CC isn't always super easy even though in hindsight it would have changed the entire run.
Nice to see the Rest Druid in action! Thanks Preach!
@Preach Gaming Could you do one of these TDP's in the Shrine of the Storms dungeon as I find it difficult managing the mobs with immunity.
Stuns
Interrupting
I think mages can spell steal
As a Beast Mastery Hunter people constantly tell me that my class is OP at orbs. "Insta-shots OP" Why? I do 40% of another class' damage, my pet does 60%. My single highest damage ranged ability, Chimaera Shot doesn't even deal damage to explosives.
And I just played on a Paladin and my judgment ONE SHOTS THE EXPLOSIVES.
Combine that with my farther distance and the target is smaller and borderline unclickable with big mobs around and borderline un-tab-targetable in those cancer 7 mob packs. Hunters are not great at Explosives, damnit.
Yes a TDP !
Ive been watching legion tdp's to sate my lust for preach suffering
Would love to see more videos like this explaining other dungeons
TDP has suddenly become an immensely good series, all you had to do was get in contact with a massive array of the community
Would love to see a video promoting the new in-game voice coms for pugs. I've found it to work incredibly well, easy to set up, and takes no external programs so people have no excuses to not communicate in groups.
the method dungeon tool also lets people click on mobs and it will show what they can do ability wise and what cc affects them. Very helpful when learning
13:13 First boss of Kings Rest to a T. That spit gold DOT does NOTHING until around +9 then OOF it 2-3 shots people.
Excellent vid. Thank you man!
Preacher living up to his name. Now back to the topic, the problem is free gear of higher ilvl being given to players who don't deserve it, it creates this artificial sense of "ohh am good I can do high Lvl content now" within the player, and when such players attempt m+7 or higher they get their ass handed to them because as preach said they don't know what is going on with the mobs and boss. My advice to such players is that if you've got a high ilvl gear and if you haven't done any myhtic +, then please start with mythic0 and learn the instances inside out before you move up else you'll get your ass handed to you at m+7 and higher
Yeah I agree with you 100%. Makes people list their groups with higher and higher ilvl requirements because 370s can't be trusted to be good anymore.
@@2SeizeTheDay true this is also the reason you see ppl asking for 360-370 for m+3 and m+4 because people don't know what to do and prefer to zerg it
Great video love stuff like this. Would like to see you learning new content with groups and be able to hear the coms, but I understand if the guys are not "RUclips friendly" haha
Nice video Preach, thanks for helping out us filthy casuals, no joke, appreciated.
Your explanation on mob names explains a lot, guess I've been fighting Fist Fuckers this expansion.
People who start later in game getting screwed by that learning curve and Blizzard solution of throwing gear at them doesn't help that. For example, did all Mythic 0 on a 1st week they came out, even KR on a last day, and some of them were brutal to learn with 305-315 ilvl in a party, but everyone were cool about it and they knew it was a new thing so mistakes will be made. There were a lot less patience next week, and this is how it starts.
Hey preach. Now you should maybe do the same with an lower equipped toon in a full pug group on a +10. Because pugging is the real horror and I would really like to know how to adept to that situations.
For me pugging is like driving car, expect the other drivers to be the dumbest they possibly can be and try to be prepared :)
low m+ (2-3 even) with tyrannical is insane. Tried to start gearing my lock when that week was on, so many groups couldn't deal with any boss mechanics because they never had to before.
First boss, the range should stay out of the arena on the backside, no point in wasting the fraction of a second to move, in order to dodge the bird, when you don't have to. Even if the reason you weren't was because of the random insta aoe, the tank should reposition the boss, so you can have an effective spread.
Please, for the love of god, do your tanking tdp using the prot warrior.
Both to help community perception of them, and give blizzard devs a clear example of things that are lacking and need to be changed/improved
Questionably Epic addon (It is called "QE" in Twitch) will bring up a new tooltip that you can place anywhere you like and will give a detailed description of what each mob does and what spells you should interrupt on that mob or to CC/stun it at what times, including bosses. Would advise for anyone just starting to get into M+. Best of luck everyone.
As a healer main, watching you heal gives me an ulcer.
The worst thing about this video is the quote you dont take any damage in heroic thats what theyre there for. I remember when heroics were hard as fuck. No i don't play anymore but thats why i still watch preach because i know what I'll get if i ever decide to jump back in to live.
Yeah love the m+ dungeons looking at trash packs! Keep them coming!
Great TDP Mike :D
What really dosen't help is that you can't find what the trash does anywhere in game, you basically don't know about it unless you read a guide, or die/get chunked by it.
Doesn't help your problem of Blizz providing them, but the questionablyepic (I think that's the name) add on will show up a window with important things about the mobs when you mouse over. Sometimes it'll just be "tank damage" and other times it'll be the abilities you NEED to interrupt. Real helpful
Method dungeon tools. You can find out what every mob does in every dungeon, what mobs will be infested, it takes in account affixes, and plan your route with exact percentages. You can also import and export routes.
@@123R1CC yea but method dungeon tools isn't in the game, you need to download an addon.
You don't have to die/get chunked; the entire point of this video was to stress to people the importance of finding out what these mobs do in lower/easier content. You don't have to learn what every mob does in the game by getting hit during a +15 key. Go do a heroic dungeon, where nothing is ever going to one shot or chunk you out, and take the time to learn what mobs do. This is something that more experienced players do during the first week of content (either on the Beta or day one of release). Blizzard shouldn't be expected to tell you everything that is going to happen against every mob, the exact counters to those moves, and the best way to do damage. Hell even when Blizzard provides information (see Dungeon Journal) no one fucking reads that damn thing anyways.
maybe they want you to learn what it does by getting hit by it. You know experiencing what it actually does is the best teacher after all. Remember the first death to a new mechanic is okay even expected. All the deaths afterwards is cause you stood in fire. I understand learning by doing/experiencing is a foreign idea because everyone wants everything handed to them but its not really hard just gotta do it
on explosive week, bring a Fury warrior, they can just auto attack the explosive orbs (they auto attack very fast) and its actually a dps increase if they do, because of a talent "War machine"
Great vid preach. Super interesting. The thought process is very engaging.
But what was it that weaker players think tanks do?
Doing the Lord's work m8.
Mr. Finn's debut!
"Learn mechanics" *Gets hit by birb, Only Mike
This is cool and all but most player should start on completely different level, for example, "how to interrupt a mob" or "how to not target random mobs around the map" xD
All joking aside, watching Preach made me realize how bloody good of a player I actually am, at least compared to the majority of players in wow these days. Took a lot of stress off my shoulders and boosted my "pug-joining" confidence quite a bit.
The number 1 problem with M+ PUGs... Russians
And with all that being said, I have the problem that my friends and guild mates say "X affix is shite, I won't do it" or "X dungeon is fucked up, I refuse to do that one", simply put they're not even willing to try, and as such leaves me with an undone keystone for that week, in that case what can I do to make that content appealing for them to want to join me?
I want Preach to tuck me in at night and read me a story.
People can also download method dungeon tools just to see the pulls before they go in and do their research beforehand. But thats not as fun as learning as you go.
Preach 2018 "You might be stuck right in the pooper" 13:10-13:20
Find a mature guild and the problem is solved.Kids can't handle responsability so they are the cesspool we all call PuG.Great vid,thanks Mike!
Wish we could hear your friends opinions too. Would be cool to see how a team operates in mythic
Good Video. Ya I love that difficulty jump around 10+ this week. Mythic 9 or 10+ Storm, at twin tentacles and the add pack before the final 2 bosses... All the cool-downs , Hero, all the healer CD's too? Why the hell? that trash was a Mythic raid boss
If the tank stays in Meele range of the tentacles, they dont colossal smash, therefore they arent doing any AoE dmg to the group.
Can you make a video like this for every BfA dungeon? As a casual I just found it super helpful!
I am a newbie holy healer *gnome* best race I look forward to these interesting dungeons. They seem to get better and better as you go.
@Preach Gaming 32:20 it's Tyrant Velhari u are talking about (the double stacking)
This video should be mandatory to watch when you hit 120
That final trash pack in Freehold this week is absolute hell
Elder Leaxa on M0 = “lol that was a boss?”
Elder Leaxa on Tyrannical +14 = “wtf just 1 shot half the group?”
as a main disc, this is why i dont pug. never nor ever
[EDITED] I don't think I've ever done a mythic, heroic, regular in years. I always skip all dungeons because of the toxic environment they often breed. You get into a group for a dungeon that you've never done before and if you make a mistake you always get that one guy that rips you a new one. And every group has that one guy that thinks that you should be born with the knowledge of everything that will happen in every dungeon in WoW. So I just skip every dungeon because I don't enjoy being yelled at or having to listen to someone else being yelled at and talked about like they are the worst player in the world just because they don't know something they've never encountered before.
Ok, I had to edit this because when I said I haven't run any dungeons for years, that wasn't to the most part true. I do run dungeons when I can solo them, especially if they have pets or mounts as rewards. I just don't run dungeons if I have to be with other people. I don't enjoy toxic players.
In normal or hc dungeons noone really cares, if you don't know what to do. I kinda pity you, because dungeons are one of the best things to do in wow for me (apart from raiding and collecting things). I recommend you to be more confident and try out at least normal or hc dungeons. Also another thing, I was afraid too and often annoyed with pug groups, but then I got into a guild. I became friends with a lot of people, who were much more patient with me than randos (before this I barely knew anyone in the game). Thanks to this, later I got into higher difficulty dungeons and now in bfa I regularly run higher (10+) mythic+ keys. Being in a guild can boost your confidence and make you a more skilled player without being frustrated. It made the game so much more fun for me.
Time to learn catweaving.
Parties rush everything, though.
Keep trying Mike, be string
Holy shit its actually called waGO and not just wago?? my god mind blown!
Hi Preach, i think that a lot of the bfa dungeons are really over tuned and so really casual unfriendly. Also 10 dungeons is quite a lot, considering you have to memorize all the different trash and bosses and with rng you might not play a dungeon for weeks because you or your grp just doesn't get that key. I'm a casual and i forget trash abilites or boss mechanics sometimes because i haven't run the dungeon for a while. And wiping once can also mean you're not going to make it on time..
I dont know how you do it with raidframes below your character. i feel like i lose all peripheral vision that way. I always have them vertical and to the right hand side of my character.
It's more for raid healing to minimize where the 20+ frames are. I couldn't imagine trying to heal with 20 frames next to my toon. I also like to integrate my weak auras into a cooldown bar rather than stacking them in multiple columns like he does if that makes sense. Then I put all that slightly below my characters feet so I can still see if im standing in something but can also see stuff to my left and right. As a priest I like to be able to see if I need to grip someone because they're slow on a mechanic or something.
I have used both. I find in dungeon content having them below the character is a good place for it, but in raids I want my frames up too
Triple cast for explosive LOL
Hah, I actually suggested bringing shadow priests/ele shamans to higher keys so you could show that community perception is much worse than the specs.
explosives will not spawn from crowd controlled enemies - paralyzed mob at 1423 spawns explosive. lol
I usually pay attention to my surroundings but those damned bananas in SoB get me every fucking time. I dodge the first one, and when they throw the second one i step into one that was thrown before.
Also, the first mobs in King's Rest. I keep underestimating the range of that cone. Don't know if they don't have a size indicator, or if my graaphics settings are too low, but sometimes i am just 1 or 2 steps too close :(
Class Balance in m+ is simply not existing. Many speccs underperform and some specc/class combination's get all kinds of support/damage/survival. Same for achievments, ingame leaderbords, improved groupfinder options, player progression for M+ and no cosmetic or fun rewards apart from normal loot.
In my eyes blizzard missed a opportunity to improve M+ over the Legion state.
BFA mythic+ dungeons are just legion one's with different maps.
I think blizzard dropped the ball pretty hard when it comes to making m+ better expirence. They removed gear swapping that allowed some classes to get higher up in legion by equiping deffensive trinkets and legendaries. Imo they should keep gear swapping and introduce items that can make up for your class weaknes if you wish to used them. Maybe give us azerite traits that have some utility, lets say you really need aoe stun for a dungeon but your group doesn't have one, why not azerite piece that has aoe stun ability that has party wide cooldown? Give players more choice instead of taking them away.
any spec can do the weekly but yes, if you're trying to push keys then you will be at the mercy of the meta as will any other game that has a leaderboard
@@bartoszbartosiewicz1123 And where exactly do you NEED a tank trinket? Cause afaik those undodgeable 1shot mechanics are pretty much nonexistent in BfA.
To OP: You either get homogenisation or imbalance. Which one do you prefer? From my experience 99% of the trouble some classes have with m+ has little to do with their actual capabilities (or lack thereof) and everything with community perception.
My retribution paladin friend stopped playing not because his spec is shit, but because he wasn't getting invites. My shammy guild mates would have a tough time getting into random groups, but in our semi-guild runs they were topping the dmg ontop of having an AoE stun, purge etc.
This whole "m+ is only for couple meta classes" statement is complete BS for 99% of WoW players
@@Hitmaster8 All im saying is removing choice from players is bad, i have no idea what ultility BFA m+ needs because i stopped playing 3 weeks after release because the game is not fun.
@@bartoszbartosiewicz1123 So you dont know much about BfA dungeons, that explains a lot. Maybe you should educate yourself before commenting? That being said, you still can pick whatever gear you like. You just gotta do it before the dungeon, which is imo more difficult because you actually have to think and plan ahead to make the most out of your gear. Any idiot can make macros to equip sets for ST, 2 target cleave, 5+ target AoE etc and then just press the button before pull. What choice is that? It might aswell be automatic. I'd rather have dungeons that don't require players to go into such silly lenghts as to farm tank trinkets (which a some classes don't even have access to).