@cruisinwithphil The 2025 Challenger, Pursuit, and Cheiftain have not been revealed yet. Only the 2025 Roadmaster Elite has been released in the heavy bike category.
I have an older Scout Bobber I bought new in '23. I love everything about it except for the lack of tech. Damn thing doesn't even have a gas gauge. I think, though, my next bike will be the Chief Bobber Darkhorse. I don't really want touring model, I prefer the stripped down look of the bobber style. Maybe the Springfield Darkhorse someday, but I'm not that old yet, I'm only 58! 😉
Here we go again, just like Harley Davidson, the charge for the most simplest changes on all models across the line. I’m a long time rider and I’m amazed just how these manufacturers get away with charging for paint. Most of us that are independent restoration wannabes know that the cost of most color changes do not cost more. However, if one gets into the work of pearls or other high end colors there is a cost. At the manufacturer the painter gets paid the same for all black look or the reds or blues even gloss black. Same price. All these models shown are the same bike except some small changes in the suspension. Many of these add on items don’t cost the manufacturer a red cent. But they seem to throw in their extra charge for simple add ons. The consumer is now getting wise to this sales game and refuse to buy due to the over pricing by these manufacturers. I guess these Hot Shot CEOs need the millions of dollar salary’s for sitting in their plush offices playing with their computers. I’m not buying into stupidity. I got better things to with my hard earned bucks. No motorcycle is worth $30,000. Or more. This is totally ridiculous to the average working stiff plus the bidenomics interest rate on bikes.
@@deanblanton-fh3gq Good points about the paint. However, Harley is trying to move their motorcycles out of the blue collar arena and strictly into the white collar territory. They’re redesigning the showrooms and the buying experience. Harley is trying to become a “boutique motorcycle.“ They’re no longer interested in middle class ownership. They want to be the Bentley of motorcycles. They want doctors and lawyers and business owners, not brick layers, mechanics or truck drivers. They’re even stopping maintenance and repair on older Harley’s because they don’t want that riffraff hanging around the dealerships. Indian so far is not going down this road.
I don't think it's a matter of "tuning down the ride" on the Chiefs. I think the touring pipes just flow the exhaust better. Same on the HDs. I had a 107 Road King and a 114 Heritage and I think the RK seemed a little faster even as the Heritage is a little faster off the line. But being heavier and down on cubes my RK exhaust must be doing a lot of the heavy lifting. The way the Chiefs pipe necks down from the 2 into 1 screams "choke me."
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Both Harley and indian have no choice. They are not allowed to sell performance exhaust systems because of government emissions standards so they respond with bigger engines.
Indian should put the fairing of the roadmaster or something just as stylish on too the chieftain, just my opinion. I have it on mind I want the chieftain limited in red.😊
Love your take on this. People complain about the price of bikes but in several years have nothing to show for the money they saved. While others paid the price and gained the memories.
Harley nightster has better accessory packages available, I would like to see Indians Springfield classic bike, do away with the pale yellow looking gauge facias and do a black and white or color match to paint, Tour master still gets a 5.5 gallon tank, a 6 to 6.5 gallon tank would be more equivalent to a Harley Road & street glide, So I will keep my Harley Road Glide.
If this is the 2025 release I wouldn’t go near an Indian heavyweight until the ‘26 MY or you’ll be kicking yourself. The Challenger is over due for a bump in displacement as are all the Thunderstroke bikes. Ride Command is definitely getting long in the tooth as are all the imbedded LCD displays in the gauges. A major refresh of the heavyweights is coming if they intend to stay competitive. Heck BMW has been running a 10” TFT since 2020 and Harley finally jumped on their touring class bikes as well.
So I bought a 2023 Indian Sport Chief for 19. It was a little pricy, but I paid. While I was at the dealer, I noticed bikes at 35 to 40. Let's put this in perspective. I paid 59 for my GMC AT4. That was out the door. Fully loaded all the bells and whistles. So a motorcycle is 19 less than a truck. How is that possible. No bike should be more than 30.
Bit disappointed with this line up. I love my Indian Motorcycles but see this as a step backward. The Scout range has been upgraded for two years as they try to improve the base model the Octane! The line up is basically colour changes, another Scout range, the usual Elite model and a very limited edition Springfield I think 50 in total. The best selling style of bikes are Adventure bikes so why not develop the FTR? But I have heard rumours the FTR is getting dropped at the end of 2025. Also a base entry around 750cc based on the classic looking Indians to celebrate its heritage and fill that gap I do not think the Scout 60 has done enough to fill that market. Polaris has seen a decline in sales since 2021 and is still doing the same. The world economy dictates what is spent on hobbies. If Polaris don't get their sales turned around they cannot fix the elephant in the room! They need more service dealers, if you cannot get your bike serviced or looked after unless you ride on average 2 - 3 hours away there is a problem. IMC infrastructure is in need of an overhaul. I would assume the Water cooled Roadmaster and Chieftain will be the early 2026 release?
@firestarter8202 They did, 5 years ago. The Challenger and the Pursuit. The Challenger was the first American V-twin performance bagger. It was the catalyst for the King Of the Baggers racing series and pushed HD into the somewhat modern age of engineering.
@ yeah but I’m talking about a stripped-down bagger. Small fairing, small bags, etc. No radios or other goodies. Kind of like the sport chief limited with a racer look.
All boring bikes, just like Harley. The baby boomers about all dead or too old to ride. Make soon new modern adventure touring motorcycles instead of these old dinosaurs
Indian has NOT released the entire 2025 lineup, yet.
What hasn't been released?
@@cruisinwithphil We have to wait and see
@cruisinwithphil The 2025 Challenger, Pursuit, and Cheiftain have not been revealed yet. Only the 2025 Roadmaster Elite has been released in the heavy bike category.
I have an older Scout Bobber I bought new in '23. I love everything about it except for the lack of tech. Damn thing doesn't even have a gas gauge. I think, though, my next bike will be the Chief Bobber Darkhorse. I don't really want touring model, I prefer the stripped down look of the bobber style. Maybe the Springfield Darkhorse someday, but I'm not that old yet, I'm only 58! 😉
They have not released all the 2025 models yet.
What's missing?
I love the more aggressive stance of the Scout, I wish they would apply that to the Chief.
Here we go again, just like Harley Davidson, the charge for the most simplest changes on all models across the line. I’m a long time rider and I’m amazed just how these manufacturers get away with charging for paint. Most of us that are independent restoration wannabes know that the cost of most color changes do not cost more. However, if one gets into the work of pearls or other high end colors there is a cost. At the manufacturer the painter gets paid the same for all black look or the reds or blues even gloss black. Same price. All these models shown are the same bike except some small changes in the suspension. Many of these add on items don’t cost the manufacturer a red cent. But they seem to throw in their extra charge for simple add ons. The consumer is now getting wise to this sales game and refuse to buy due to the over pricing by these manufacturers. I guess these Hot Shot CEOs need the millions of dollar salary’s for sitting in their plush offices playing with their computers. I’m not buying into stupidity. I got better things to with my hard earned bucks. No motorcycle is worth $30,000. Or more. This is totally ridiculous to the average working stiff plus the bidenomics interest rate on bikes.
Well said
@@deanblanton-fh3gq Good points about the paint. However, Harley is trying to move their motorcycles out of the blue collar arena and strictly into the white collar territory. They’re redesigning the showrooms and the buying experience. Harley is trying to become a “boutique motorcycle.“ They’re no longer interested in middle class ownership. They want to be the Bentley of motorcycles. They want doctors and lawyers and business owners, not brick layers, mechanics or truck drivers. They’re even stopping maintenance and repair on older Harley’s because they don’t want that riffraff hanging around the dealerships. Indian so far is not going down this road.
I don't think it's a matter of "tuning down the ride" on the Chiefs. I think the touring pipes just flow the exhaust better. Same on the HDs. I had a 107 Road King and a 114 Heritage and I think the RK seemed a little faster even as the Heritage is a little faster off the line. But being heavier and down on cubes my RK exhaust must be doing a lot of the heavy lifting.
The way the Chiefs pipe necks down from the 2 into 1 screams "choke me."
Absolutely Spectacular Bikes, Indian Motorcycles Company is Truly Manufacturing Very high Quality and very Beautiful motorcycles that are able to beat any Bike in the World's motorcycles market, Really Enjoyed The video, Thanks for sharing 🙏, Greetings from Cuba 🇨🇺👍👊✌️!!!
There's more coming in the new year. 122 thunder strike 112 power plus. Fork mounted fairing power plus. Looking for a bagged sport Chief.
Can't be outdone by Harley... Harley puts out bigger engines, Indian has to answer.
Both Harley and indian have no choice. They are not allowed to sell performance exhaust systems because of government emissions standards so they respond with bigger engines.
Indian should put the fairing of the roadmaster or something just as stylish on too the chieftain, just my opinion. I have it on mind I want the chieftain limited in red.😊
It’s clear from reading the comments some people love money, others love the spirit of the ride. I am a rider and money is just a tool.
Well if i had the money ! i would buy a new one ....................
Love your take on this. People complain about the price of bikes but in several years have nothing to show for the money they saved. While others paid the price and gained the memories.
A very nice rundown here Bro.
Thanks!
Harley nightster has better accessory packages available, I would like to see Indians Springfield classic bike, do away with the pale yellow looking gauge facias and do a black and white or color match to paint, Tour master still gets a 5.5 gallon tank, a 6 to 6.5 gallon tank would be more equivalent to a Harley Road & street glide, So I will keep my Harley Road Glide.
If this is the 2025 release I wouldn’t go near an Indian heavyweight until the ‘26 MY or you’ll be kicking yourself. The Challenger is over due for a bump in displacement as are all the Thunderstroke bikes. Ride Command is definitely getting long in the tooth as are all the imbedded LCD displays in the gauges. A major refresh of the heavyweights is coming if they intend to stay competitive. Heck BMW has been running a 10” TFT since 2020 and Harley finally jumped on their touring class bikes as well.
So I bought a 2023 Indian Sport Chief for 19. It was a little pricy, but I paid. While I was at the dealer, I noticed bikes at 35 to 40. Let's put this in perspective. I paid 59 for my GMC AT4. That was out the door. Fully loaded all the bells and whistles. So a motorcycle is 19 less than a truck. How is that possible. No bike should be more than 30.
59k in 5 to 10 years will be the base models price on trucks.
The road master is much like a hefty southern bell of a woman, with the big hat and the fluffy dress. She’s basically a dressed up big girl.
Definitely have not released the full lineup
They have not yet, hope they fix the Chief lineup. The Super Chief is a step backwards from the 2021 modal.
Out of all of those bikes, I don't see anything that I would drain my bank account for.
I would love it they just offered lower prices.
Full lineup has not been announced
What hasn't been announced yet?
How come Indian bike look so plastic,they don’t look good to me.
Bit disappointed with this line up. I love my Indian Motorcycles but see this as a step backward. The Scout range has been upgraded for two years as they try to improve the base model the Octane! The line up is basically colour changes, another Scout range, the usual Elite model and a very limited edition Springfield I think 50 in total. The best selling style of bikes are Adventure bikes so why not develop the FTR? But I have heard rumours the FTR is getting dropped at the end of 2025. Also a base entry around 750cc based on the classic looking Indians to celebrate its heritage and fill that gap I do not think the Scout 60 has done enough to fill that market. Polaris has seen a decline in sales since 2021 and is still doing the same. The world economy dictates what is spent on hobbies. If Polaris don't get their sales turned around they cannot fix the elephant in the room! They need more service dealers, if you cannot get your bike serviced or looked after unless you ride on average 2 - 3 hours away there is a problem. IMC infrastructure is in need of an overhaul. I would assume the Water cooled Roadmaster and Chieftain will be the early 2026 release?
And the prices are not the same
Scout and chief same as 2024? So confused.
They released the 2025 Scouts back in April. They have now adjusted the Scout 60 lineup to match the Scout lineup. The Chief lineup hasn't changed.
@cruisinwithphil thank you
Why does everything these days have to be boring Black ? they look like Army bikes, ala WLA
I’m not much into the classic or Heritage look. I hope Indian introduces a sporty bagger model.
@firestarter8202 They did, 5 years ago. The Challenger and the Pursuit. The Challenger was the first American V-twin performance bagger. It was the catalyst for the King Of the Baggers racing series and pushed HD into the somewhat modern age of engineering.
@ yeah but I’m talking about a stripped-down bagger. Small fairing, small bags, etc. No radios or other goodies. Kind of like the sport chief limited with a racer look.
All boring bikes, just like Harley. The baby boomers about all dead or too old to ride. Make soon new modern adventure touring motorcycles instead of these old dinosaurs