Sudbury Valley School
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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I agree 100% with this system, I gained my interest in Meteorology, Computer Science, and Astronomy by stumbling across it, not having it forced down my throat
Just got my Bachelor's in Psychology and Education the same way. My 15 year old eyes were wandering one day while waiting to get out of class and I came upon a stack of psychology tests on my teacher's desk. I could see the first page of an exam for his other class and was fascinated with what it said. Interest is what drives learning. Freedom to choose their interests is only logical/
Samantha Bruce yep, my interest is focused on the winter storm right now, I am curios how they work
Icybubba when you get out, you'll realize the world isn't equal.
Well if you are talking about America it is, middle east...no
I find interest in philosophy, politics, astronomy, and computer science and out of all the things I've learned about those subjects none of it has been from school.
Watched this video, starting talking it over with my Mom, next thing I know I'm being enrolled in one.
DDerik you have an amazing mom!!!!!
No fair
Good for you!!
How did it go?
This is what life is about, Finding your passion and pursue some sort of carreer based on THAT! in regular schools kids aint got time to think for themselfes and grow up to become robots like 90% of the people on this earth. People have to learn to follow their dreams and people should stop telling kids that their dream can never be true.
So ideological
No, the real world is all luck and hard work.
@@tmdsb2655 Government school is purely regurgitated ideology, minus common sense and reality. Kids do need to learn hard work backed up with courage, imagination, inventiveness, freedom to choose their own curriculum, ethical guidance and an ability to take risks while not being mentally castrated by angry bureaucrats for 12 years. Real work skills and real adventures must be introduced to kids as young as possible, so they can grow up with their brains and guts intact, something public schools seem deliberately designed to remove. The Sudbury Valley School seems like natural, humane common sense to me, mainstream public schools are psychopathic and psychotic (lacking in empathy and a connection to the real world of productive maturity).
I would love to work here, and would've loved to have gone to school here!
amandaggogo I worked here for 11 years and my sons went to this school. We all loved it.
I'm in my bed crying because there isn't a school like this in my area 😭
@@Pointless_Ok yeah, my parents have set a small one up - it is still in progress but I love it!!!
@@beththompson9820 that is absolutely amazing!!?? The best of luck :)
Boyinaband brought me here
Me three. I wish this type of education was more widespread.
ugh, i had to find out for myself.
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Talentless Potato same though
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I really like this positive and supportive environment. I see children shot down constantly for things that would help them later in life so the teachers don't have to deal with their issues. I know that I have been shot down many times for trying to learn more than what's required. I have been told by a teacher that I should only learn what she has taught me and to forget everything else i know as if my entire life I should be waiting for her to hand feed me the information that I am allowed to know. I have luckily had too much pride and opinions that I developed in my Montessori elementary school to listen to anything so closed minded but it scares me that any kid who knows what their teacher doesn't know how to learn cause they weren't allowed to try and probably a lot of kids listened to this opinion because they weren't as full of pride and confidence as I was growing up in a Montessori school first. I believe I lost a lot of my confidence and motivation I had as a child from all the people telling me I didn't deserve an opinion and for a time I didn't believe any of my opinions deserved to be heard.
I also prefer the way they view knowledge. Going into a traditional school, my English was considered under par but actually, It was they way they tested that was throwing me off. What they don't know was at this Montessori school where i wasn't told what to read and what to know and what to say and how to say it, I was writing short essays most days and potentially multiple time, I was increasing my math skills way beyond my grade level, I was reading books constantly off the shelves that interested me, my friends and i would create spelling tests from words written around room (for example on books) and using that to see how we did, I was helping out to take care of the sk, jk students during lunch and recess so the teacher could have help and where I learned about my love for child care. I learned to think and solve a problem in multiple ways rather than a single one I was taught, though fixing our own conflicts I learned to be a mediator, I gained the skill of being able to teach myself, and the list goes on, we had choirs like cleaning the fountain once a week and making tea for snack and 3pm in the older grades and setting tabled for lunch in the younger grades. I left with knowledge and skills most of my friends still dont have.
there needs to be a school like this in Brooklyn new York im really done with school
There's Brooklyn Free School.
I'm really jelous of these kids :(.
I know
Did you try to convince your parents to let you go to a Sudbury school?
I didn't even know such a thing existed.
I’m really jealous of you Saitama-san.
Smol Son my parents don’t mind but the closest one is 4 hours away so..
Can I please go here, My parents would never let me. I agree public schools are insanely stupid.
Cassie MoonShadow well then apply to a better school, like how I went to the top public middle school and it's amazing there. If I went to that school I would honestly hate it because I love my school band. I can't stand stupid people that can't play correctly. And why is everyone so successful in my band? We have to practice. If the teacher tells us we don't trust me we won't get anywhere.
@@tmdsb2655 the point of these schools is that you get to choose, so you could choose to create a and with only experienced players who are really committed to practicing...
i really like this because you have more freedoms then a regular school. It would be a real amazing experience to visit one of these centers
The girl keeping her story secret was obviously writing a fanfiction XD
Fanfiction is just another form of Creative Writing!
I would have asked her if she had written anything she'd like to talk with me about. As she wrote this at least 10 years ago, maybe she'd talk about it now?
I'm looking forward to my retirement and my life seems to be becoming that like a pupil's at Sudbury! Thankfully, at the university in which I've worked all these years, I can still utilize all the facilities! How great is that?
I must move and go to one NOW. I hate having everything shoved down my throat
This is actually pretty incredible. Having gone to a semi-private vocational school where more freedom and individuality was allowed compared to other high schools, I can safely say that it did nothing but stunt my growth as a human being. All of the legitimately applicable things that I learned in all my years there can be summed up in probably a page or two, whereas the things I learned through my own interactions and experiences is what mattered. I graduated with a 1.4 GPA.
They were playing final fantasy VII. That requires a lot of reading.
My cousin is 8 and he goes to a Sadbury and is already studying Calculus. When I walked into the school there was a 14 year old painting photorealistic roses. There was a 9 year old also reading Ulysses and taking notes...wow.
@Rauxlen I've generally found that most children are lazy because they're fighting against people forcing them to do things they don't have any interest in. This is a non-issue at a sudbury school. As an alumni I can say that it wasn't just people sitting around playing gaia and neopets. There were days like that, but people weren't wasting away and not fulfilling their potential simply because they weren't being bossed around and forced through a curriculum.
I wish I could go...
I pray this can be spread across our public school system, or even expanded by allowing for teachers and students to completely control the building no principals, administrators, super intendents or boards of educations.
If there were one of these in my area, I'd put my kids in it in a heartbeat.
No, you wouldn't, boomer. Most boomers think so backwards.
If these students really want a job where they can where their pj's and play videos, they'll be the first to find it. What's so bad with creating the life you want, rather than trying to fit the system (so long as it doesn't hurt others of course!).
It was a response to another comment. I meant SVS-ers seem to be more aware of their own strengths and weaknesses, and what their goals are. Basically, kids become responsible, have good time-management, etc. When you're an adult, noone is standing over you, telling you what to do. Sudbury Valley prepares you for life.
Wow, that's a mouthful. But it's true. Ask any alumni or parent.
I wanna go here T^T
From what I've discovered, the rates of democratic School children's SAT & ACT scores and acceptance into prestigious universities is pretty high. Teaching can be holistic. While teaching about science, there is also the opportunity to learn critical thinking skills, reading skills, math, and language development.
I'm severely dyslexic, but I'm also a good writer. I developed my writing skills by watching the Walter Cronkite, John Chancellor, Harry Reasoner, Howard K. Smith, on the evening news.
This is actually a GREAT idea. Instead of retaining loose information by rote memory defeating the purpose and desire of learning, the kids can find it themselves. Schools are known to kill creativity and are generally realized as a dull institution foisted upon us by societies needs to create a more advanced existence for ourselves and progress to the next level. We have the right mindset, but the way we go about it is erroneous. However, there are people that will abuse a freelance system.
"Children are as competent as everyone else"
*Next shot: *
Man-off-camera - "what are you gonna do today?"
a young female human - *shrugs shoulders, gesturing uncertainity of what she will do today*
I know you wrote this like 6 months ago, but I just now watched this. I think this applies for any kid at any possible school. I think she just didn't know what to say. But, it is funny though how it was portrayed.
@@bethanygiovannetti3521 I make jokes. Also, I made a playlist calling this school system by a different name. I was a different person then by God's grace and I have seen the error in my ways. Honestly, just jealous I didn't have this growing up 🤷🏾♀️
My son just finished what would have been his 9th grade at this school. He hopped out of bed every day and couldn't wait to go. He is now very sad that summer has hit.
I’m surprised people are mocking this, especially in terms of something like correct spelling.
Given how few people today display any proper spelling ability, and how many of them went through a regular public school system, I don’t think it can get much worse really.
The most important thing is to encourage a child to learn and experiment, and this is very much inspired by positive and supportive parenting.
I assume that most children attending a school like this, get enough parental attention.
The girl keeping her story secret sounds British. :)
My son attended The Beach School, also based on SVS. One of his school-mates eventually left, saying it was "too hard". It's not an easy school, but if you're the right fit, it's amazing how much you learn!
This is how all schools should be
There is no curriculum. The hard math and science is in many places if you students want to find it. One of Sudbury Valley's students became a Professor in Mathematics. You can see his interview at /watch?v=QOeRQrOZN6s
Wow watching this reminds me of the movie Accepted. They choose what they want to learn instead being "force fed".....why didn't I go here ;(
It really is the hardest. But Danny's not the 'main teacher' or any teacher at all. He's a staff member and Official Authorities Clerk, but he's not the boss of anything or anyone anymore than anyone else
I would have sold my soul to be in this school if I were their age
wait what i do in my free time, is what these kids get to do in school. Life is so fucking unfair.
I would love to enroll my son in this school and I would love to work for this school...
Although my criticism may be over-personalized,I am sure that in a situation like Sudbury I or person like myself would find a particular chore and repeat it for the duration of the school career !
I would have really loved to have gone to a school like this.
@Norse And now that I've entered college, an environment very similar to a Sudbury school where I spend my time how I want or better or worse, I'm flourishing and pulling a solid 3.0-3.5. If I had this freedom from the start instead of being pooled into an environment full of suburban trash-children where my individuality was squashed and I was forced to learn state-standardized garbage, I'd probably be way ahead of where I am today. I'm positive I'm not alone here either.
This is the future. A simple, elegant solution. It fits with everything I understand about myself, children and society.
I have sat in at Clearwater (A sudbury school in Seattle), and I am SO OPTIMISTIC. Fight for this, if you care about education and children.
No more wasted childhood, no more indoctrination. Beautiful.
Do NOT try to come up with a BETTER solution than this. Get involved. The current system wastes the lives of innocent children.
Warehousing kids for 8 or 9 hours a day, sometimes in un-air conditioned classrooms, depriving them of toilet use, while some of the poorer kids may actually be be hungry/underfed, all these conditions don't make for a very enjoyable education experience & are not conducive to learning. Maybe this isn't a totally perfect educational model/process, but then again, either are our public schools. Our educational world ranking proves at least that much. Something definitely has to change.
I wish there was something like this in Argentina for my daughter( and I wish there had been for myself!!!!!!!!)
I am in the process of founding a school based on the SVS model in Orange County, CA. If you want to help or learn more, message me or reply to this comment. Thank God for schools like SVS that have already done the hard work. We don't have to experiment anymore, we KNOW this works.
How is the process going?
Hi, I would like to give you portuguese subtitles for this video, are you interested? It's ready :)
schooled in a non-school school..
ugh where has this been all my life!!!! im going into juniors years of hs wen school starts this fall. I am so fucking lost right now...
I wish we had these schools in the UK!!!!
***** from what I've found, they're all in America. I think you might be thinking of Summerhill in the UK. It's not a sudbury school, but it's basically the same idea. It would be awesome to go there too
this is the future!! love it
5:30, totally not a playstation controller and totally not final fantasy music
wow this is genius. I am actually having a hard time grasping that the students, if you can even call them that, just do what ever they want. I was really starting to doubt if freedom exists but maybe I'm wrong. Does anybody know how students from this school merge into the rest of society after their schooling? Because the way the world works I am questioning if not having classes will be able to get them a job in this world. Thanks :)
Hi, I have Spanish subtitles ready to upload :) how can we do it? Thank you!
Easier said then done. We've had a bit of trouble trying to establish and continue Sudbury schools here in Australia.
It may be that the idea that you can "educate" a child is just plain broken.
We underestimate children. I am going to Clearwater to discuss the trial of Socrates.
Discussing philosophy with an interested twelve year old is one of life's treasures that many will miss. I never knew it was even there to experience.
What a treat.
This is cheap to start and effective. You could create one yourself... if you are reading this, think about it. You could start one of these... anywhere.
"The best way to give advice to your children is to find out what they want and then advise them to do it." -Harry S. Truman
We could all benefit by being given more freedom. Part of the reason why we have so many problems in this world is because people are controlled too much as children.
If you've got nothing nice to say, keep it to yourself.
@Norse So yeah, I don't see the reason behind mocking a place like this. Just because some kids inevitably float out of here as losers doesn't mean they would've done well in a "normal" school. All of our future historians and mathematicians will find their own interest in those subjects, the institutions where they were taught are irrelevant. People make themselves, not schools. Schools only exist to show and nurture opportunity, which this place undoubtedly does.
Where is one of these in Georgia? I homeschool and have for the past 7 years but I would love to go this route!
@paranoidandroid223 I understand this sentiment. To accept that this model produces superior results is to accept that your childhood was in some ways wasted.
It's a hard truth, and it took me seven years and three trips to Sudbury schools to unbury my head. My first response was... "It CAN NOT be true." and "it's a glorified daycare" and "lazy" and whatever else.
First of all, I would have died to go to a school like this and I agree with the model of freedom.... However, I don't understand how they are allowed to not have any set curriculum. And also, I would find it extremely difficult to integrate into mainstream colleges and jobs (but I suppose they hope they wont go mainstream?). I think in order for this model to work for more students they would also have to change the model of college and work.
actually by the time the college student had his mind set for college he was in a working mindset. He was working more than kids with straight A's. he was busier and he was willing to put all his time and effort into it because it was his dream that he believed in. He would integrate so much more easily than people who go to college and don't know why they're there. I would know. I'm a former IB student and i'm in college. I still don't know why i'm here and even though i work extremely hard i'm not putting my 110% into it because i don't know what i'm working for. No goal. I'm just doing things to get an A and it just feels empty. His drive is what i'm looking for to take me to the next level.
Downthehollow well then that's your problem.
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@@Downthehollow So, how'd it go? Did you find your passion and are now living happily doing what you love, or did you stick to the lifeless grind and become an MD or whatever mommy and daddy said you were supposed to be? Or did you eventually burn out and go insane?
I wonder, how is it giving people the wrong impression? I'm curious, because I don't see anything wrong with the impression it's giving me. Nice to understand another perspective.
How can kids be ready for not digested food? Does the mother bird give her babies the whole worm for them to bite off for themselves or does she give rightfully to her children? The philosophy of sudsbury is that which does not revere authority.
yes, watching a whole lot of youtube and reading a lot of random sites will get you smart too
this would be the hardest school on earth(the kids have too think for themselves haha yep 90%of kids in school have too be told, nothing like personal motivation from a young age> I suppose it would give responsibility back too the student too make choices
There needs to be a sudbury school in Virginia Beach VA!
Watch it again, and notice if the children appear lost and indifferent while interacting amongst themselves, or just when asked strange questions by an outsider...
Kids already have a natural curiosity for learning. Look at a baby who's learning to talk.
"What's that??" What's that??"
The next question becomes "Why??" "Why??"
Many (most??) parents will tire of being asked the same questions over, and over again, and they'll start shutting their child down. TV's and the computer become babysitters. Then, when their children are not prepared to perform, they'll blame the teachers, the schools, and the school districts for their child's lack of performance.
William Boynton I can imagine people going like "I LOVE CALCULUS"
People are also naturally lazy.
5:50 Final Fantasy!!!
I am through Chinese edu sys and I totally agree with Mr Dan's idea. He respect God's rule and peoples' soul...
There is one of these schools in my area and i wanna go tour it, and I’m thinking about maybe going to it or another alternative school
I wonder what jobs people can get after learning how to play games, read poems, sing and play instruments. Kids won't object to this... but there will be no more historians, mathematicians, scientists, technicians... looks like this will have to change a bit, but it may be a step in the right way.
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Trust me, we do a LOT at school. The video deosn't show the half of it. For example, at the beginng of the year we made a twenty-minute movie. That's not 'sht' and it took a lot of work. Kids are reading all the time. When it comes to math, I'd say the four years old are better than lots of seven year olds in regular school from dealing with their own money a lot. We may not be taking classes but that doesn't mean we're not learning
@SpyroEcho So they say 80% of their students go and graduate from college. Surprising that they get admitted from a school like that BUT then again, they must be from pretty rich families anyway if they're in this school so it's very likely they get into college too. I'll admit that it's an innovative new idea though so it could work in the future, who knows. At least it doesn't scare children away from learning.
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these people sound awesome
I'm hoping to found a school in Sydney, Australia. I made a facebook page called 'Sudbury School in Sydney' to gather support and create a network of like-minded people :)
Did you bring up the staff member/s for this?
@paranoidandroid223 I see where you're coming from, it's easy to think that, but as someone who spends almost all my time at SVS, I couldn't agree less. It's true we do have fun, but it's very hard to even exist at SVS without learning something. Even when we just talk, we're improving on valuable social skills that will be important in becoming effective adults. In response to "Kids aren't happy here all day", it's true. I've had some of my worst days at SVS. But there's no doubt I'm learning.
The only child here that I saw challenging themselves was the one reading Shakespeare. Literally none of the other had any challenge to push forward and gain an education. This looked to me like a land where the children rule but will not be prepared for the future. The real world is unforgiving and quite demanding. These children are having nothing demanded of them or even asked beyond simple questions. Education is to prepare the youth of our world to take control of their lives and make it in the world of the future. This is nothing more than idealized education where people expect the children to want to know everything possible but comes off more as a fancy daycare. I was forced to learn so that later in life I could hold my own in a world that would ask even more of me. A school like this is far too loose and sets up children for a huge change when they are no longer students but adults with responsibility.
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I didn't need collage. I'm sorry that your early prep school experience was lacking. It's not about that. It's about your ambition to get schooled. Why? Education is important, but school is not necessarily. If you aren't doing medical, law or especially engineering, you may want the education, but you don't need debt. You can learn anything on your own anyway. You just can't practice certain things without certain degrees. School without cause is foolish. You can learn at home for way less.
robichauxoeuf name a hospital that would hire me without a college degree
*college. Dumb$hit.
Can I get more information about this education system
Very true. I'm not sure how community law works in Aussie-land... But it seems true that there is an unspoken war on effective education.
Lets say your theory is correct. That kids don’t need any direction from others, and will learn on their own undisturbed, as an individual. And that they in fact will excel. If all this bears out, then kids literally don’t need your school. In fact they don’t need schools at all. They could be home doing all those same things. You are actually making a case for no schools. Brilliant. LOL
It's a smart move to charge parents for a system that doesn't involve teaching others. The most they do is provide a space with activities and supervise, as if it was a daycare.
The system relies on the interaction between students. The school also provides materials such as books and instruments. The secure environment with staff makes it safer.
Btw I wonder aprox how many kids go to this school.
Can someone tell me?
Wow I really like the idea of this type of school as my experience with public school was that it had no way to cater to individual strengths. All children had the same lesson plan whether it was useful to them or not. I only ever had one history teacher who wasn't a P.E. Coach. Every lesson was just barked at us with no reason as to why these things would be useful for us to learn, and when I asked I was chided for it. Get your kid out of daycare/prison, and help guide their own interests!
This video seems like it's actually trying to give people the wrong impression. But I think, from what I've read, sudbury schools sound like a great idea!
@MemShippou Public school is the glorified daycare service. It is very hard to accept that a bunch of kids with no curriculum score higher on the SAT without a single course on how to take the SAT.
If you don't understand it, dismiss it. Be a pawn.
@LastDaisy I see they don't teach punctuation or grammar at that school, either.
I have to agree! This simple solution looks like the natural way children "should" be educated.
is there the same in french please ?
How well do students learn mathematics (algebra and higher) at Sudbury compared with traditional schools?
(I know this is an old comment but I'm just gonna answer because I'd like to) I've attended Sudbury school for most of my education, and I've accelerated in every subject. I'm not the best with mathematics, but I definitely know everything that is expected for my age. The idea of Sudbury schools is that eventually you'll strive to learn, and that's exactly what happened to me. I eventually got so tired of doing nothing, that I decided that I wanted to learn about math. So I did! It was a great a experience, and it's truly how children should be taught.
May Chang eventually...eventually. Trust me if my parents tells me I don't have to go to school no way I would be like "OH HOW BOUT LEMME TAKE CALCULUS IN 8TH GRADE AND TAKE AP CALC IN 9TH."
@Treemeadow I wonder why the school lost accreditation--perhaps because the children weren't learning anything?
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The cards guy was hilarious
@akirosette Socrates is NOTHING like Plato or Aristotle, both of which were in some ways like you describe.
Socrates was a homeless man that questioned everything about Athens. He was very critical of the Athenean system of "justice" and the status quo. In the end, he died because he didn't put Greeks on a pedestal. Your comment is wrong, wrong, wrong, and incorrect.
@whateverg1012 Uh, hu, and, where did you not learn to not prevaricate?
What about things we just HAVE to learn, or do, or endure, like when we have a job we like, we still HAVE to dress a certain way, or learn stuff our employers make us learn in order to fulfill a mission or do something for a client. I will have to go to college to become a Doctor, I'm going to HAVE to study crap I hate in order to get accepted into my next class and into the Medical field.
Don't get me wrong, I like the school's idea, but we also need practicality as well.
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@anonymousppl You know kids are just young people, right? They're not another species. It's only a tragedy if they can't handle the responsibility, but, judging by the 43 years of the school and the success of alumni, they can. In response to your college attendants claim, alumni have gone on to a huge variety of career paths, some of which I'm sure include mathematics and sciences. If you really must know the details, there are plenty of books available through the Sudbury Valley Press.
I go to that school
@bobmurphyrocks Thanks for sending in this comment. I'm making a thesis on graduates of 'creative' schools and how they perform in life especially at the workplace.
Are you a botanist, or a horticulturist, or an arborist or something?
No, what would they give homework on?
TimmyTheGamer no homework boiii
Nothing. Pr they might give activities and extra stuff related to what kids are already teaching themselves to pursue if they want.
@Norse If they had a way to curb the inherent sloth that fills most of the children of the United States, this would be a wonderful school but everyone I know that went to that school spent all day playing gaia and neopets.
what's more this is for like $7400 dollars a year. it's literally big kid daycare.
What I disliked about my public highschool was the repetitive boring essay work. There were many classes where the teachers made it interesting, but not enough. You'd remember the good ones.
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