LSV just calmly discussing possible Lotus/Mana Crypt plays towards the end of the draft after never drawing either card is just too much self control. I'd be losing my shit at that point. Loving the Legacy Cube content tho!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen cursed scroll get tapped by LSV. It’s a card I played 4 of in red deck wins (around 2003 extended) and top 8ed many tournaments too, so I love the card. But I just don’t think it’s very playable in the cube except as sideboard against agro or in a very low cost agro red and/or white deck. Btw, that red deck wins list had 4 jackal pups, which were great, but compared to ragavan it’s absurdly outclassed. Tho the Mogg fanatics were way better than now because of damage on the stack, 2 for one machine!
Given that we didn't have either monolith yet, was there any consideration to hedging with Dungeoneer P3P1? Also, I was surprised there was no mention of Stoneforge, it seemed like that would have been good in the deck if cryptic coat wheeled and solid even without the coat.
It was a bizarre draft, but to be fair, the world is nuts right now so it kind of fits. LSV passing dungeoneer for shelldock when he has a lotus feels like a glitch in the Matrix. Just another sign that the world is off kilter.
@@brianh5844 agreed. The last few videos have been really weird pick-wise. Lutri over Oko, Shelldock over Dungeoneer passing to a player who you just passed palace jailer to, passing breach when you have lotus 🤦🏻♂️
@@rezzytheskyguy I think a case could be made for a pack 1 pick 1 lutri. the card is much better when you can build around it with a boatload of picks remaining. I certainly wouldn't take it over Oko, but I can understand the reasoning.
I don't think shaping your whole draft to Zirda, mid Pack 1 when you don't have any of the monoliths was smart. Thats pure speculation on a not that good combo and you missed a lot for that.
I think that Zirda is way overrated: yeah, it’s technically a free 6 mana creature that can combo off if you have the right card, but the downside of having to pass much higher quality cards to play suboptimal ones to avoid losing the companion is too big. Also Lutri is a bit overrated: not in the sense that it makes other picks worse, but that I’d not take it over cards like Oko. Most of the times it’s a six mana 3/2 that you get for free, but unless you build it like an UR Delver deck it’s going to be a vanilla beatstick that, imho, didn’t impress me at all in comparison to an engine/wincon that is Oko or such
@@notice9218 no, you missed the point, which is that the requirements to build around Zyrda, compared to the ones needed for Lurrus which is the only actually good companion in cube, force you in a disadvantageous spot. This is because compared to cards that require build around such as Breach/Freeze or Academy, you are forced to have EVERY card cater to a specific requirement. Like if, to be able to play Breach/LED/Brain Freeze all the other cards needed to have the word “Graveyard” on them.
@@LSVargasin theory sure, in practice only some of them are (namely Lurrus and Lutri, which is a little lower in my list than some other picks, but still increribly good), because they don’t force you to pick bad cards just to satisfy the restriction. A 8th card is good when the rest or the cards is good too and Zyrda, as Umori, Kerugw ecc. albeit better then those two, falls in the “making your deck worse to play this” cathegory that in Vintage cube works only that much
im looking at your manabase, you seem well enough covered for u and w, to the point where i would personally be pretty tempted to throw the gruul turf in, as a colorless that taps for two. it could help out with prismatic ending, or to cast the companion assuming it replaces an island(which is the way i would go). but mostly i see a lot of cards that you can throw a lot of mana at, and turf looks pretty inviting to me. upheaval, ballista, coat, card draw, foundry, all of these benefit from extra mana, and i think you could afford the colorless/cipt aspect no sweat. not even a consideration? at the very least it should be an option on the table for any matchup where wasteland isn''t looking like the way to go
I feel like companions in general are overrated in cube. You’re so rarely in a position where spending time to put them into hand ends up winning you a game you would have otherwise lost. Lurrus is of course strong, but the rest are meh.
Hi lsv, just wanted to let you know that both these 2 sweet cards now exist: 1) Radstorm 3U Instant "Storm. Proliferate"; 2) Prologue to Phyresis 1U Instant "Each opp gets a poison counter. Draw a card"
@@jamesgreenwood1703 Prologue to Phyresis is a nice build around in a proliferate deck. It's easy to find as well since you get more than just the usual tutors, you also get Merchant Scroll, Spellseeker, and Muddle the Mixture. I use it in my Venser, Corpse Puppet proliferate deck.
@@jayjayhooksch1 I built a proliferate poison deck but it didn’t feel easy enough to interact with and I didn’t like that. I was thinking about a storm deck with a lot of counters so that prologue could be a wincon and radstorm could be an enabler
At 57:10, should you have fractured identity’d the world spine wurm before flash killed it so you’d have two lethal attackers and he’d have no blockers, or does it not work like that?
I thought the same thing. But, I think worm automatically gets sac'd without passing priority when the person who cast flash chooses not to pay the creatures cmc. Doesnt give a window where you could FI it
Saccing the creature if it's not paid for is part of the resolution of flash. Basically, unless it's a delayed effect(e.g. sacrifice at the beginning of your next end step), you do everything written on a card when it resolves before anyone gets to do anything else.
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LSV just calmly discussing possible Lotus/Mana Crypt plays towards the end of the draft after never drawing either card is just too much self control. I'd be losing my shit at that point. Loving the Legacy Cube content tho!
Actually never getting to play 2 pieces of power is mind blowing
Mana Crypt doing its best impression of my dad
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Which is to say it went to the card shop and never came back
I've been sick at home for a while and probably will be for a while longer. Your drafts are a godsend, they make my day a bit better
Sending you good vibes ❤
Oh damn lsv opening power in team draft? This is unprecedented
Does it even count as opening power if it’s never in your opening hand?
Gotta keep that complaint equity alive.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen cursed scroll get tapped by LSV.
It’s a card I played 4 of in red deck wins (around 2003 extended) and top 8ed many tournaments too, so I love the card. But I just don’t think it’s very playable in the cube except as sideboard against agro or in a very low cost agro red and/or white deck.
Btw, that red deck wins list had 4 jackal pups, which were great, but compared to ragavan it’s absurdly outclassed. Tho the Mogg fanatics were way better than now because of damage on the stack, 2 for one machine!
Yea, it has seemed bad everytime I've seen it in these cube videos
Given that we didn't have either monolith yet, was there any consideration to hedging with Dungeoneer P3P1? Also, I was surprised there was no mention of Stoneforge, it seemed like that would have been good in the deck if cryptic coat wheeled and solid even without the coat.
Yeah, I totally would have taken the Stoneforge on the wheel, that pick was seriously whack.
The picks have been exceptionally off lately
dungeoneer would basically just be giving your opponent initiative in this deck
"Was that a beautiful turn or what, that was just perfection" LSV 2024 nomnie for best quote of the year
I think Cryptic coat in a control shell is underrated.
Jeez. Passing dungeoneer for shelldock bc of zirda when you dont have the monoliths is actually wild.
It was a bizarre draft, but to be fair, the world is nuts right now so it kind of fits. LSV passing dungeoneer for shelldock when he has a lotus feels like a glitch in the Matrix. Just another sign that the world is off kilter.
@@brianh5844 agreed. The last few videos have been really weird pick-wise. Lutri over Oko, Shelldock over Dungeoneer passing to a player who you just passed palace jailer to, passing breach when you have lotus 🤦🏻♂️
He overrates shelldock so hard
He got baited hard by this zirda
@@rezzytheskyguy I think a case could be made for a pack 1 pick 1 lutri. the card is much better when you can build around it with a boatload of picks remaining. I certainly wouldn't take it over Oko, but I can understand the reasoning.
Dang, this deck looked sweet in building til final pack, realized there wasn't really a way to win. Haha
I would have slammed that stoneforge, I expected cryptic coat to wheel
At 57:09 would it have worked to cast fractured identity on the world spine worm when it entered the battlefield? He had teferi plus ability right?
No, no one gets priority while the wurm is on the battlefield. It dies as part of flash's effect.
@26:00 wouldn't it have been better to mystical for dismember, use the dismember to kill the thopter and win that turn?
I honestly don't think the companions outside of Lurrus are all that good
I agree, the fork one has seemed pretty mid in the few decks he has drafted it as well
I don't think shaping your whole draft to Zirda, mid Pack 1 when you don't have any of the monoliths was smart. Thats pure speculation on a not that good combo and you missed a lot for that.
Man, the phantom mana crypt
Let the good times commence!
I think that Zirda is way overrated: yeah, it’s technically a free 6 mana creature that can combo off if you have the right card, but the downside of having to pass much higher quality cards to play suboptimal ones to avoid losing the companion is too big.
Also Lutri is a bit overrated: not in the sense that it makes other picks worse, but that I’d not take it over cards like Oko. Most of the times it’s a six mana 3/2 that you get for free, but unless you build it like an UR Delver deck it’s going to be a vanilla beatstick that, imho, didn’t impress me at all in comparison to an engine/wincon that is Oko or such
Idk about the LSV cube but in Mtgo cube you don’t even notice the zerda requirement when drafting.
So if you take a card and then don't build around it, that card isn't good. Strong take. I bet you end up in 5 color good stuff a lot.
@@notice9218 no, you missed the point, which is that the requirements to build around Zyrda, compared to the ones needed for Lurrus which is the only actually good companion in cube, force you in a disadvantageous spot.
This is because compared to cards that require build around such as Breach/Freeze or Academy, you are forced to have EVERY card cater to a specific requirement.
Like if, to be able to play Breach/LED/Brain Freeze all the other cards needed to have the word “Graveyard” on them.
You underrate companions dramatically - free cards that you can build around and always have access to are incredibly busted
@@LSVargasin theory sure, in practice only some of them are (namely Lurrus and Lutri, which is a little lower in my list than some other picks, but still increribly good), because they don’t force you to pick bad cards just to satisfy the restriction.
A 8th card is good when the rest or the cards is good too and Zyrda, as Umori, Kerugw ecc. albeit better then those two, falls in the “making your deck worse to play this” cathegory that in Vintage cube works only that much
Must be hard to open lotus and lose all that complaint equity
Maybe for a regular player. But, notice how he smartly didn't open power in pack 3 and mentions it to recover some of his lost equity.
Brutal
So exactly how many mirrors did you break before this draft?
Any chance of a balatro stream lsv?
RIP Academy
I think LSV has been opening up far too much power recently
why does it appear that youre passing right left right instead of left right left as normal?
Honestly, it doesn't matter as long ss the 2nd pack gets passed in the opposite direction of pack 1&3
It’s weird but that’s how draftmancer works
57:15 Could you have cast Fractured Identity in response to the Worldspine Worm token trigger?
Worldspine Wurm is only on the battlefield during the resolution of Flash
No you can't respond to the sacrifice trigger of flash, it happens all within the resolution of the spell.
@@alexloree6208 true but it is not a trigger that causes you to sacrifice
im looking at your manabase, you seem well enough covered for u and w, to the point where i would personally be pretty tempted to throw the gruul turf in, as a colorless that taps for two.
it could help out with prismatic ending, or to cast the companion assuming it replaces an island(which is the way i would go).
but mostly i see a lot of cards that you can throw a lot of mana at, and turf looks pretty inviting to me. upheaval, ballista, coat, card draw, foundry, all of these benefit from extra mana, and i think you could afford the colorless/cipt aspect no sweat.
not even a consideration? at the very least it should be an option on the table for any matchup where wasteland isn''t looking like the way to go
I didnt get not taking battleball
I feel like companions in general are overrated in cube. You’re so rarely in a position where spending time to put them into hand ends up winning you a game you would have otherwise lost. Lurrus is of course strong, but the rest are meh.
If you draft a piece of power, and never get to play it, did you really draft it? 😅
is lsv still streaming these days? Miss the live sessions!
Hi lsv, just wanted to let you know that both these 2 sweet cards now exist: 1) Radstorm 3U Instant "Storm. Proliferate"; 2) Prologue to Phyresis 1U Instant "Each opp gets a poison counter. Draw a card"
Niether of those belong in vintage cube?
@@Wicked_Carnifexright? People are funny
That’s seems so cool I should def build a deck around that
@@jamesgreenwood1703 Prologue to Phyresis is a nice build around in a proliferate deck. It's easy to find as well since you get more than just the usual tutors, you also get Merchant Scroll, Spellseeker, and Muddle the Mixture.
I use it in my Venser, Corpse Puppet proliferate deck.
@@jayjayhooksch1 I built a proliferate poison deck but it didn’t feel easy enough to interact with and I didn’t like that. I was thinking about a storm deck with a lot of counters so that prologue could be a wincon and radstorm could be an enabler
At 57:10, should you have fractured identity’d the world spine wurm before flash killed it so you’d have two lethal attackers and he’d have no blockers, or does it not work like that?
I thought the same thing. But, I think worm automatically gets sac'd without passing priority when the person who cast flash chooses not to pay the creatures cmc. Doesnt give a window where you could FI it
Saccing the creature if it's not paid for is part of the resolution of flash. Basically, unless it's a delayed effect(e.g. sacrifice at the beginning of your next end step), you do everything written on a card when it resolves before anyone gets to do anything else.
What just happened 😅
Opening pieces of power is the first step, now just work on drawing them.
Should have gone boros
I’m so sad he passed breach 😢 zirda was a trap!
😂Should of hate drafted the Rober of the rich after that loss to it. 😆.
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These kinds of deck builds are not the most entertaining to watch. I miss big mana, retrofitter, doing weird & fun things
LSV should stop drafting black lotus....he can't win with it
Synod is pronounced "SIN-id," not "SAI-nod."
Nope it looks like sai-nod so it’s pronounced that way
It’s pronounced Sai-Nod.
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@@makidiaz3894 so true bestie
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