I think the Sayan knew it thanks to working for Frieza. Until him, they were savage tribe, maybe they didn't even know about other planet and population like we human doesn't know, until Frieza came and gave them the opportunity to work for them and so also the technologies (armor, scouter, spaceship etc.). With it they were capable to share history and knowelage with other Frieza army member. Maybe a member of the Frieza army tried to conquer Namek in order to sell it but was defeated and the scouter recorded all in the same way happened to Raditz against Piccolo and Goku. Maybe a solitary namekian like Slug and King Piccolo defeated Frieza soldiers in mission on some planet in the space or used to do affair with them. There are a lot of way of explaining it.
@@mike0133according to the broly movie they were controlled by King Cold before Freeza he literally puts Freeza in charge in the beginning of the movie
@@Sniper_T_2x Thank you for remembering me it but that is Dragonball Super that have nothing to do with Z but besides that, Frieza or King Cold, it's the same, it doesn't change the way Sayan could have know Namekian.
Vegeta was a prince of an entire world. Just like real life monarchs, they're taught detailed historical facts and stories about other kingdoms. Sayains were conquerors whom traveled all over the galaxies and heard countless stories and learned many different histories. The accumulation of this knowledge would be at the prince's fingertips.
Something to be mentioned is that, counting Super, the Namekians weren't confined to one planet (or even one universe). Monaito wasn't on Planet Cereal by accident, neither was he the only one at one time. It could very well be that, like Piccolo, most Namekians from the latest centuries saw no interest in abandon their personal homeland in favor of what, for them, is the origin of their ancestors or even just a hub for their kin.
He very likely did, but it was irrelevant to his purpose on Earth so the better question is why would he have brought it up? Nappa and Vegeta were both looking for Dragon Balls, so him being a Namekian is much more important to them than to Raditz.
Kami had a space ship so they had the tech to travel off world for a long time before the storm. So it's easy to imagine there are other Namekians in the galaxy. I think one was in the Granolas arc in Dragon Ball Super ( I haven't read it.)
I don’t think that makes sense. Frieza controls the universe essentially and blew up his strongest planet of warriors so they couldn’t one day oppose him. Taking over Namek would be a joke to him, why go through the trouble of destroying Vegeta when he could take over a single planet and become immortal? We clearly see he’s insecure of losing his power. It’s like they didn’t know about it until Vegeta mentions it and then they retroactively knew about it but clearly didn’t because they would have acted on it
@@IndexInvestingWithCole all I can read and recall is, Nappa says Piccolo is a namakian, Vegeta agrees, Vegeta gets told that Freeza went to Namik. So I think he heard myths but didn't care until Vegeta proved it to be correct with the earth battle
@@IndexInvestingWithCole maybe he know the planet but he doesn't know the Legend of the DragonBall. Maybe the Namekian were soo good at hiding Dragonball in order to avoid people like Frieza.
It's explained in Dragon Ball Super, that Namekians aren't originally from Planet Namek, they're from another realm. With our current knowledge, it's likely Monaito and the other Namekians living on Planet Cereal (prior to their deaths during the conquering of Planet Cereal) came from that origin realm rather than Planet Namek. It's possible Nappa was sent to Planet Cereal to conquer it and slayed a Namekian or two, hearing about the Dragon Balls. Or another unnamed saiyan passed this along to the saiyan grapevine, and kept it secret from the Frieza Force. Or maybe the Saiyans ran into Namekians on other planets they settled on.
Perhaps some alien travelers took a pit stop at Namek and that’s how the rumors of Namek and the Dragon balls came out. Alternatively, due to post apocalypse Namek being widely believed to be deserted, maybe some criminals fled to Namek for some time to avoid the Galactic patrol, found out about the Dragon Balls, then fled to Freeza’s empire where they spread the rumor which Vegeta heard
My explanation (little bit of head cannon but it makes sense) is that Namek was thought to be decimated and its races to have died out. There were a few survivors who fled and told stories of their ancient culture and wish granting dragon but were brushed off as fables. No one visited namek because it was viewed as a backwards wasteland planet that did have any tech or civilization so it was of no value to visit, (be like visiting the Sahara dessert for real estate opportunities). Then once it is confirmed that radiz died to a Hamelin and someone was brought back to life it motivated both Vegeta and Frieza to race to namek in hopes to use the same power that brought Goku back to life.
I missed you!!! Very interesting theory and discussion, Yep, Vegeta started the whole Namek saga. It was also cool how Mr. Popo remembered the ship Kame came to Earth in. That would be a fun discussion (but I’m afraid there’d be nothing to discuss).
Since Freeza was selling planets off, Namek was likely deemed to be unremarkable and not profitable so it was simply appraised, and written off as a backwater of little value.
This is implied. I don't remember the dialogue from the dub in the anime, but in the manga Vegeta lightly scolds Nappa after he blows up the city when he arrives because it decreases the value of the planet for when they sell it later. It seems worlds rich in cities that can be densely populated sell better than relatively barren or tribal worlds. Namek is a primarily tribal world with no cities and only a few small villages here and there, with the only noteworthy thing about it being the unconfirmed (until the events of the Saiyan Saga) rumor regarding the presence of wish granting dragon balls. It seems as though the rumor was written off by Freeza and his men as a mere fairy tale and the world was generally ignored and left alone until Vegeta confirmed the presence of Namekians and dragon balls on Earth and was overheard by Freeza through Nappa's scouter connecting this back to Planet Namek. Something worth mentioning however is the climactic event far into the past that resulted in Kami being sent to Earth and the vast forests on Namek being wiped out. The Grand Elder was the only other survivor of the crisis, and he doesn't really have much if anything to say about the disaster in question. It's as such unknown what the Namekian civilization was like before this event. We know because of Kami and Piccolo that they used the same ancestral language, and we also know that they were advanced enough to create space ships. We do not know if they had dense cities or even what the disaster that happened even was. It's implied to have been a weather event, but this could be misinformation similar to the supposed meteor that wiped out Planet Vegeta that turned out to have actually been Freeza himself destroying the planet with a huge, dense ball of ki from his fingertip. Whatever the disaster is though, it seems to have happened before Freeza and his men found the planet, which could have ultimately been what spared the planet from getting conquered and sold off.
Very fertile lands with an almost equal amount of flowing water, powerful but passive inhabitants, and a wish granting entity on the planet that is just up for grabs... Backwater or little value when it comes to an entire planet IS a rather hard mark for those three points... If i was an alien conqueror that would be one of my first stops.
@@Sandshark17 They believed the wish granting orbs to be a fairy tale, and they didn't conquer planets to own them but to sell them to other races looking for somewhere to live. As such, what they're actually in the business of is similar to acquiring the rights to property that already has people living on it, evicting them, and then selling it off. The lack of cities to populate means a lack of reason to consider it worth bothering with. They're not interested in acquiring empty land to build new structures on, they're interested in selling land that already has infrastructure set up and ready to go.
That’s ridiculous though? Namek was a MASSIVE planet that could sustain life and agriculture with a small population of (relatively) weak warriors. What I’ve always wondered is how Frieza hadn’t already conquered namek before the story.
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman actually answered this: at the time of the destruction of Planet Vegeta there was indeed a Namekian in the Patrol (shown from behind when Jaco explains the Patrol to Mori, long before anyone asks him about the alien invader and we discover it's a stealth prequel to Dragon Ball). What happened to him is unknown, but it's clear where the information about Namek and the Dragon Balls came from.
He learned about that from Qui when he went back to Planet Frieza. The planet he referenced Frieza’s forces invading was Yardrat. It happened after Goku returned and mentioned the Ginyu space pod was pre-programmed to go there.
A new Mike vid let's goo my theory on how Vegeta knew about Namek is there's probably a research centre on one of Freezas planets that Vegeta gets to know about other races and planets or he probably met or heard about namekians while conquering planets as a saiyan
My theory is that namekians were known of by freeza and his empire, though the idea of some small underpopulated world of non fighters having some great wish making mechnism such as the dragon balls is the legend/rumors that sounded so outlandish that it was dismissed. ("Why would the weak namekians actively choose to live in such small numbers on a less hospital planet instead of using said mythical balls to advance their species" is the most likely thought to dismiss it).
I always assumed some of the Namekians scattered prior to the cataclysm that wiped out most of the race. The Super manga also shows that there were other colonies of Namekians on another planet which kinda supports my theory. I assume they never went to Namek because it was low "value" so they weren't interested in it much similar to Earth. In the manga they mention that Namekians come from somewhere outside the universe so maybe they settled multiple other planets but that's a whole other topic for a separate video.
Side question/theory: What if the reason why Guru was the only survivor of the Great Storm of Namek, was because the Namekian people felt at the time that they wouldn't have survived that storm so they ultimately did what Universe 6 Namek did and fused into 1 being. That would explain why Guru would have survived, has so much wisdom and abilities, and the Namekian dragonballs are much more powerful than Earth's, being that Guru is so much weaker than the nameless namekian was. Guru would have lost his amazing fused power through both age and repopulating the planet as well. SUPER KAMI GURU for real
I assume the Saiyans knew about them through the fact that they were a conquering force across the galaxy. Knowing them they likely knew about the storm that hit Planet Namek and assumed that every single Namekian had died in the storm. Since only one was left I assume the Saiyans couldn’t find him on the planet so they wrote off the Namekians as effectively extinct. Hundreds of years later this would just be rumors and by the time Frieza had control over them they just didn’t care much about the Saiyans since they assumed they were extinct.
We actually have examples of other people who survived Namek's collapse in Kami, there's a good chance there were a bunch of other namekians who survived the collapse, out there living in other planets unaware of the existence of a new Namek. It's also very likely that if that's the case, a significant portion of them could have became guardians of their respective planets as well or at the very least among the strongest there, just like Kami and Piccolo were on Earth, making them very remarkable individuals that remained in Freeza's forces' memories after the conquests, possibly the saiyans themselves experienced this first hand.
2 opinions A: Toriyama never thought this far ahead B: Frieza knew about Beerus. He had vast knowledge. Was the "ruler of the universe". He knew WAY more than Goku Vageta, etc
Dragon Ball Fusions partially explained this. One of the generic recruitable characters in the game is Fargo, a Namekian who was sent out in space as a baby to escape the same fate as the other members of the race. Fargo got picked up by King Cold's forces and raised to be a soldier, meaning the race was known to the empire.
I just assumed that Frieza's peons passed by Namek post-disaster, scanned it, landed, poked around, and then saw barely anyone was living there and that the quality of the planet was not very good so they simply passed it up and never went back. Perhaps they spoke to a couple locals or something but even if they did, would you instantly believe that these nearly extinct people would be serious when they mention magic artifacts that grant wishes? I think most of the low level fodder soldiers and scientists that would go on a mission like this would simply hand wave it as ceremonial nonsense from a (at that time) primitive race. Word gets around, everyone thinks its all either rumors or jokes.
What if we keep kind of take the story that lord slug gave. Something about how there was a bunch of super namekians that were banned and wished off the planet. Would make sense to be honest.
I love the end of the Saiyan arc Most of the team is dead, goku krillin, and gohan are badly injured (some more than others) The little hope they have is SO POWERFUL
I'm at 9:40 when leaving this comment. Apologies if you mention it. But I think the best explanation is that Kami wasn't the only Namek who fled, and at some point in his travels Vegetta encountered a Namekean on another planet who had fled Namek just like Kami did.
Its simple.. Frieza did send scouts throughout the Universe to find Planets to conquer and sell. A near desolate wasteland with little to no ressources and less then a 1000 inhabitants most likely didnt seem worth it. But i guess a Databank exists where people can read through what planets exist in the Universe and a Legend like the Dragonballs sounds like a nice past time read for a bored soldier between engagements :P
Makes you wonder if the Namekian on Planet Cereal, Monaito, had something to do with the rumors of the Dragon Balls. If not him directly, then his population of Namekians who lived on Planet Cereal.
Well when Krillin told the Grand Elder of the events that happened thus far, particularly about Piccolo being defeated by Nappa, the Grand Elder asked if he was a Super Saiyan. This indicates that the Saiyans and the Namekians had some ancient shared history for the Grand Elder to talk about it as a possible form and not a legend. Most likely the capabilities of the Namekians faded to legends after their near extinction.
Here's an idea for a what if and that's what if android 16 was as violent as future android 17 and 18 as I'm curious about how it would affect 17 and 18s personality in the main timeline
Someone probably did scout the planet, unfortunately at the time it was ravaged by a hellish storm and as such they couldn't find any survivors. Since there was only one.
FYI I am still on the Frieza saga Manga wise in the books at home in the United kingdom here and I speedread through the Dragonball Volumes 1-15 in the past years and then moved onto the 3in1 manga books at home I bought them myself from Waterstones shops, amazon and WHSmith online here 16-18, 19-21, 22-24, 25-27 and the rest of them (28-30, 31-33, 34-36, 37-39 and 40-42) in the current time here were 33rd Birthday presents from my family June 5th flew by here I'm kind of also satisfied that here my knowledge of 3 times tables has'nt failed me yet.
Real answer: Beerus didn't exist until the 2010s. Granted, I can't imagine he encountered him THAT regularly, and considering one of the reasons Beerus hated the sayains was because King Vegeta held out on him with the most comfortable pillow... ...
Vegeta is a space man that flew around space destroying planets and killing people. It's not hard to believe that he's heard of a planet that is capable of spaceflight and has been for hundreds of years...
Vegeta and Nappa probably learned about Namekians through a combination of second hand and third hand sources that they eventually pieced together, but were not sure if it was a legend or not. I would imagine that in a universe filled with multiple legends about different races, one myth would not necessarily stand out from the others until it becomes relevant like when they first met Piccolo on Earth. Moreover in modern Dragonball, particularly in the Granola arc there is a Namekian which shows (at least now) that there are multiple Namekians spread out the universe who may have kept certain stories about their ancient civilisation alive. In some ways think about the parallels with our world. We have various different peoples with their own histories spread across the world in diasporas that have lost parts of their history and origins while retaining some knowledge of their culture, think (African Americans, Jews, Gypsies, Roma, Berbers and some Native American groups etc) that we may know about on a limited basis but can piece together different parts to create a picture that we can understand when it becomes relevant.
Namek was known, but known to be energy rich or of high value for the space empire and its pirates run by King Cold and Freezer. So Vegeta knew about it; but it clearly wasn't a top priority. They learn about the dragonballs, via Raditz. So they clearly could have known about Namek without knowing about the dragonballs
There is a good chance that prior to the Namek arc, Namekians traded with the Freeza force. Enough that one Namekian spoke with them and fed them with information they shouldn't have known, this way people across Freeza's Empire learned about them and their presumed magical abilities. I am not glad for what Freeza did but I am glad for given, in my opinion the best villain in the DB franchise.
I think the answer isn't so important because there are a lot of way of explaining it. I mean, they are a warrior race that work for a planet conquering emperor, for sure they know and have heard about a lot of planets and populations that we can't even imagine, plus the scouter is taking constant information and every member of Frieza army is equiped with it so they are constantly sharing informations. P.S.: all this thank you to the beauty mind of Toryama that decide to explain a lot of things from his character with the "coming from another planet" plot.
I have always been under the impression that they examined the planet, and deemed it not worth it. Freeza was essentially a planet broker, and most of what we see of namek are relatively small islands. If the namekians were relatively strong (able to beat vegeta before namek saga, thus would have required someone like dodoria/zarbon) then wiuld it really be worth flipping the planet? As for the "legend" it could just be that they picked up the legend from hearing about the dragon balls from goku, and drawing the conclusion that namek had some
I think the original namekians were wipe out from buu before he was sealed. Because buu has been around a really long time. And after he killed them the supreme kai Lord saved the information in a book
Isn’t it pretty much cannon that the namekians were space traveling people before the collapse of their society? Regardless of that I find it hard to believe the frieza force had no idea abt a massive life sustaining planet with little chance of resistance to takeover. Maybe the galactic real estate empire just hadn’t gotten down to namek on their list yet but they definitely knew abt it. Hell, they knew how to get there no problem lol.
When u mentioned Vegeta's desire for immortality, I thought about something. Let's say he was successful in getting his wish for it. And then, went onto encounter Freiza. Would he still get Zenkai boosts like he did throughout Namek? Because Zenkai's only happen on a near fatal wound. But, if u are immortal, then no amount of damage can even be fatal. so then, how would he win against Freiza? or Goku after he heals for that matter?
I think they could still have the zenkai because the wish for immortality wouldn't affect their basic biology, I don't think that ability would be taken from the body just like that.
Vegeta and Nappa knew about Namek because they are part of a marauding Warrior race. Forget about belonging to the Frieza Force, the Saiyajin were at minimum around for a 1000 years going by the "Super Saiyajin Legend!" and I think its likely that ancestors heard about Namek, passing that information on. The reason the Saiyajin never went to Namek to verify that information themselves is because they didn't know Planet Namek's location, but that's where the network of the Cold Force (since it was before Cold stepped down) came through. But at that point centuries have gone by and that information was regarded as laughable rumors, as well as their oppressors (Frieza's family) didn't knowing about the Dragon Balls. In conclusion, if Vegeta and Nappa didn't start yapping about that information on the Scouters Frieza wouldn't have known about that legend.
In the dub Vegeta mentions seeing something similar to the kaioken during his planetary invasions. Was this an ass pull, or is there anything like this in the manga or even Japanese anime?
I believe that if we do take the modern day concept of Dragon Ball super and add it to the Z Saga then in contrast a lot of the namekians, more specifically close to the dragon clan, which have the power to create the Dragon balls themselves like Monaito, Kami and even dende. May intern have lost the knowledge about how to create the magical spheres sort of like a back up system or a defense to prevent anyone from learning how to create and misuse them. If you look at slug the super namek, from the Dragon Ball movie, he was in fact from the advanced warrior class of namekians he didn’t know anything about the Dragon balls either even though he’s from the same race as piccolo and Dende. It will probably also stand to reason as well to that in the opening scene where we see Vegeta in Nappa together there on the planet they’re almost resembles that of Namek itself and as frieza had mentioned that the saiyan prince had been in constant combat for years so it would stand to reason that he must’ve overheard rumors about the namekian race still being alive in the world the creators of these magical spheres in the first place.
Nameks weren’t just native the namek. There’s implied to be more throughout the universe. In vegetas time out in space it’s not crazy to think he just over heard about them.
My question is, where did the Kais that Buu absorbed go after Buu died? As we saw in Z, after the death of old Kai in the Buu arc when he gave his life to Goku and after the death of King Kai, they remained alive simply with a halo on their heads. But none of the absorbed Kais were revived. Did they merge with Buu's essence and disappeared along with their souls? Even Grand Supreme Kai is alive inside the Good Buu.
Crazy that a civilization of 100 people is well known...its like recognizing a esau son today Real red 🟥 people...very good explaination and good video
In future trunks timeline….did Goku use Instant Transmission to fight Frieza AND King Cold?? Did he wipe them out easy??? Frieza states he’s far stronger than on Namek…and the gang I think Krillin got Gohan state the SECOND power level makes Friezas look tiny…..🤔🤔 Ontop of that…goku KILLS both of them in trunks timeline? Something he doesn’t do hmmmmm
Kami tells Goku he created the Dragon Ball's as a contingency plan as a sort of emergency button for mortals to help in hose role as guardian of earth. He was originally going to just get rid of them because of all the problems it caused but Goku talked him out of it. However what people don't remember is that only Goku and his friends are actually allowed to use the Earth Dragon Balls, now and that may have carried over to Dende
he's the emperor of most of the universe. he might not personally know of every planet in his domain but there's probably a database. also there were rumors around space about the dragon balls I thjnk??
Do you not know pay attention, he heard threw Vegata & Nappa's scouter when they were on earth, Also he's the emperor so he probably has people to find it
Vegeta learned about Namek from his Saiyan cultural heritage encyclopedia
GREAT LAUGHINGSTOCK MEDIA DRAGON BALL Z VEGETA KNOW ABOUT NAMEK
I think the Sayan knew it thanks to working for Frieza. Until him, they were savage tribe, maybe they didn't even know about other planet and population like we human doesn't know, until Frieza came and gave them the opportunity to work for them and so also the technologies (armor, scouter, spaceship etc.). With it they were capable to share history and knowelage with other Frieza army member. Maybe a member of the Frieza army tried to conquer Namek in order to sell it but was defeated and the scouter recorded all in the same way happened to Raditz against Piccolo and Goku. Maybe a solitary namekian like Slug and King Piccolo defeated Frieza soldiers in mission on some planet in the space or used to do affair with them. There are a lot of way of explaining it.
@@mike0133according to the broly movie they were controlled by King Cold before Freeza he literally puts Freeza in charge in the beginning of the movie
That checks out
@@Sniper_T_2x Thank you for remembering me it but that is Dragonball Super that have nothing to do with Z but besides that, Frieza or King Cold, it's the same, it doesn't change the way Sayan could have know Namekian.
Vegeta learned about namek from the universal encyclopedia present thanks to the Frieza force conquering most of the universe.
Given that Freeza’s empire did have about 70% of the universe, it wouldn’t be that surprising
Space Wikipedia.
@@AwesomeHairo
Plot twist: He used a God VPN to access GodTube
Either that or Dragon Ball Wiki :/
Vegeta was a prince of an entire world. Just like real life monarchs, they're taught detailed historical facts and stories about other kingdoms. Sayains were conquerors whom traveled all over the galaxies and heard countless stories and learned many different histories. The accumulation of this knowledge would be at the prince's fingertips.
Something to be mentioned is that, counting Super, the Namekians weren't confined to one planet (or even one universe). Monaito wasn't on Planet Cereal by accident, neither was he the only one at one time.
It could very well be that, like Piccolo, most Namekians from the latest centuries saw no interest in abandon their personal homeland in favor of what, for them, is the origin of their ancestors or even just a hub for their kin.
This gave me a what if idea
What if Vegeta and Nappa turned their scouters off, so Freeza doesn’t learn about the dragon balls on Namek?
Freeza would probably come to Earth instead since Raditz's scouter blabbed to everyone about the Dragon Balls. Then who knows what happens afterwards.
Then I might actually believe people when they claim Vegeta is smart.
@@EndoScorpion
TFS Vegeta: Wait but my transmitter was off!
Who’s scouter was (Moment of realization)
GOD DAMMIT NAPPA!!!!!
I have something similar planned about if Frieza never went to Namek. Coming out later this year.
Vegeta would have won without Frieza’s interference. So he would be immortal at the very least.
Why didn't Raditz realize Piccolo was a namekin lol
He said it in his head.
he's stooped
Piccolo was wearing his training clothes at their first encounter and after that Raditz was too busy with the fight to notice.
@@tigerlord9302 nonsense
He very likely did, but it was irrelevant to his purpose on Earth so the better question is why would he have brought it up? Nappa and Vegeta were both looking for Dragon Balls, so him being a Namekian is much more important to them than to Raditz.
Kami had a space ship so they had the tech to travel off world for a long time before the storm.
So it's easy to imagine there are other Namekians in the galaxy.
I think one was in the Granolas arc in Dragon Ball Super ( I haven't read it.)
Weird question, I think it was common knowledge in the freeza force, possibly because Freeza was thinking of going there because of the dragon balls.
I don’t think that makes sense.
Frieza controls the universe essentially and blew up his strongest planet of warriors so they couldn’t one day oppose him. Taking over Namek would be a joke to him, why go through the trouble of destroying Vegeta when he could take over a single planet and become immortal? We clearly see he’s insecure of losing his power.
It’s like they didn’t know about it until Vegeta mentions it and then they retroactively knew about it but clearly didn’t because they would have acted on it
@@IndexInvestingWithCole all I can read and recall is, Nappa says Piccolo is a namakian, Vegeta agrees, Vegeta gets told that Freeza went to Namik.
So I think he heard myths but didn't care until Vegeta proved it to be correct with the earth battle
@@TheDarkFuryKnightExactly. It's the typical you've seen everything but don't believe the myth until it's proven to you.
@@IndexInvestingWithCole maybe he know the planet but he doesn't know the Legend of the DragonBall. Maybe the Namekian were soo good at hiding Dragonball in order to avoid people like Frieza.
It’s because his Super Saiyan Swagger.
Frieza or King Vegeta probably mentioned the planet at some point to him in his childhood/teen years.
It's explained in Dragon Ball Super, that Namekians aren't originally from Planet Namek, they're from another realm. With our current knowledge, it's likely Monaito and the other Namekians living on Planet Cereal (prior to their deaths during the conquering of Planet Cereal) came from that origin realm rather than Planet Namek. It's possible Nappa was sent to Planet Cereal to conquer it and slayed a Namekian or two, hearing about the Dragon Balls. Or another unnamed saiyan passed this along to the saiyan grapevine, and kept it secret from the Frieza Force. Or maybe the Saiyans ran into Namekians on other planets they settled on.
Super isn’t cannon
@@Cutthroatrah That's just your biased opinion.
@@Cutthroatrah dude it is canon just bc you don't like it doesn't mean you turn it to a delusion.
Perhaps some alien travelers took a pit stop at Namek and that’s how the rumors of Namek and the Dragon balls came out.
Alternatively, due to post apocalypse Namek being widely believed to be deserted, maybe some criminals fled to Namek for some time to avoid the Galactic patrol, found out about the Dragon Balls, then fled to Freeza’s empire where they spread the rumor which Vegeta heard
My explanation (little bit of head cannon but it makes sense) is that Namek was thought to be decimated and its races to have died out. There were a few survivors who fled and told stories of their ancient culture and wish granting dragon but were brushed off as fables. No one visited namek because it was viewed as a backwards wasteland planet that did have any tech or civilization so it was of no value to visit, (be like visiting the Sahara dessert for real estate opportunities). Then once it is confirmed that radiz died to a Hamelin and someone was brought back to life it motivated both Vegeta and Frieza to race to namek in hopes to use the same power that brought Goku back to life.
Because he loves stories and legends
Vegeta knew about namek because he was still part of the freiza force after he left earth he heard about freizas plans to go to namek
I missed you!!! Very interesting theory and discussion, Yep, Vegeta started the whole Namek saga. It was also cool how Mr. Popo remembered the ship Kame came to Earth in. That would be a fun discussion (but I’m afraid there’d be nothing to discuss).
Since Freeza was selling planets off, Namek was likely deemed to be unremarkable and not profitable so it was simply appraised, and written off as a backwater of little value.
This is implied. I don't remember the dialogue from the dub in the anime, but in the manga Vegeta lightly scolds Nappa after he blows up the city when he arrives because it decreases the value of the planet for when they sell it later. It seems worlds rich in cities that can be densely populated sell better than relatively barren or tribal worlds. Namek is a primarily tribal world with no cities and only a few small villages here and there, with the only noteworthy thing about it being the unconfirmed (until the events of the Saiyan Saga) rumor regarding the presence of wish granting dragon balls. It seems as though the rumor was written off by Freeza and his men as a mere fairy tale and the world was generally ignored and left alone until Vegeta confirmed the presence of Namekians and dragon balls on Earth and was overheard by Freeza through Nappa's scouter connecting this back to Planet Namek.
Something worth mentioning however is the climactic event far into the past that resulted in Kami being sent to Earth and the vast forests on Namek being wiped out. The Grand Elder was the only other survivor of the crisis, and he doesn't really have much if anything to say about the disaster in question. It's as such unknown what the Namekian civilization was like before this event. We know because of Kami and Piccolo that they used the same ancestral language, and we also know that they were advanced enough to create space ships. We do not know if they had dense cities or even what the disaster that happened even was. It's implied to have been a weather event, but this could be misinformation similar to the supposed meteor that wiped out Planet Vegeta that turned out to have actually been Freeza himself destroying the planet with a huge, dense ball of ki from his fingertip. Whatever the disaster is though, it seems to have happened before Freeza and his men found the planet, which could have ultimately been what spared the planet from getting conquered and sold off.
Very fertile lands with an almost equal amount of flowing water, powerful but passive inhabitants, and a wish granting entity on the planet that is just up for grabs... Backwater or little value when it comes to an entire planet IS a rather hard mark for those three points... If i was an alien conqueror that would be one of my first stops.
@@Sandshark17 They believed the wish granting orbs to be a fairy tale, and they didn't conquer planets to own them but to sell them to other races looking for somewhere to live. As such, what they're actually in the business of is similar to acquiring the rights to property that already has people living on it, evicting them, and then selling it off. The lack of cities to populate means a lack of reason to consider it worth bothering with. They're not interested in acquiring empty land to build new structures on, they're interested in selling land that already has infrastructure set up and ready to go.
That’s ridiculous though? Namek was a MASSIVE planet that could sustain life and agriculture with a small population of (relatively) weak warriors. What I’ve always wondered is how Frieza hadn’t already conquered namek before the story.
@@Sandshark17not to mention namek is a rather large planet. Not small like earth.
Jaco the Galactic Patrolman actually answered this: at the time of the destruction of Planet Vegeta there was indeed a Namekian in the Patrol (shown from behind when Jaco explains the Patrol to Mori, long before anyone asks him about the alien invader and we discover it's a stealth prequel to Dragon Ball).
What happened to him is unknown, but it's clear where the information about Namek and the Dragon Balls came from.
Maybe a mandala effect here, but I could have sworn Vegeta knew Freeza was headed there.
Same
I think it was on the list, but hearing about the Dragon Balls moved it up on that list.
TRUE.
He learned about that from Qui when he went back to Planet Frieza.
The planet he referenced Frieza’s forces invading was Yardrat. It happened after Goku returned and mentioned the Ginyu space pod was pre-programmed to go there.
Mandela effect is because we have a tike traveling Trunks like group of people in real life.
A new Mike vid let's goo my theory on how Vegeta knew about Namek is there's probably a research centre on one of Freezas planets that Vegeta gets to know about other races and planets or he probably met or heard about namekians while conquering planets as a saiyan
My theory is that namekians were known of by freeza and his empire, though the idea of some small underpopulated world of non fighters having some great wish making mechnism such as the dragon balls is the legend/rumors that sounded so outlandish that it was dismissed. ("Why would the weak namekians actively choose to live in such small numbers on a less hospital planet instead of using said mythical balls to advance their species" is the most likely thought to dismiss it).
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I always assumed some of the Namekians scattered prior to the cataclysm that wiped out most of the race. The Super manga also shows that there were other colonies of Namekians on another planet which kinda supports my theory. I assume they never went to Namek because it was low "value" so they weren't interested in it much similar to Earth. In the manga they mention that Namekians come from somewhere outside the universe so maybe they settled multiple other planets but that's a whole other topic for a separate video.
In super the heaters and Bardock encountered Monaito so Namekians are definitely out there and have been met by Friezas forces
Side question/theory: What if the reason why Guru was the only survivor of the Great Storm of Namek, was because the Namekian people felt at the time that they wouldn't have survived that storm so they ultimately did what Universe 6 Namek did and fused into 1 being. That would explain why Guru would have survived, has so much wisdom and abilities, and the Namekian dragonballs are much more powerful than Earth's, being that Guru is so much weaker than the nameless namekian was. Guru would have lost his amazing fused power through both age and repopulating the planet as well. SUPER KAMI GURU for real
I assume the Saiyans knew about them through the fact that they were a conquering force across the galaxy. Knowing them they likely knew about the storm that hit Planet Namek and assumed that every single Namekian had died in the storm. Since only one was left I assume the Saiyans couldn’t find him on the planet so they wrote off the Namekians as effectively extinct. Hundreds of years later this would just be rumors and by the time Frieza had control over them they just didn’t care much about the Saiyans since they assumed they were extinct.
The Namekians seem like the Engineers from the movie Prometheus
We actually have examples of other people who survived Namek's collapse in Kami, there's a good chance there were a bunch of other namekians who survived the collapse, out there living in other planets unaware of the existence of a new Namek.
It's also very likely that if that's the case, a significant portion of them could have became guardians of their respective planets as well or at the very least among the strongest there, just like Kami and Piccolo were on Earth, making them very remarkable individuals that remained in Freeza's forces' memories after the conquests, possibly the saiyans themselves experienced this first hand.
2 opinions
A: Toriyama never thought this far ahead
B: Frieza knew about Beerus. He had vast knowledge. Was the "ruler of the universe". He knew WAY more than Goku Vageta, etc
Dragon Ball Fusions partially explained this. One of the generic recruitable characters in the game is Fargo, a Namekian who was sent out in space as a baby to escape the same fate as the other members of the race. Fargo got picked up by King Cold's forces and raised to be a soldier, meaning the race was known to the empire.
I just assumed that Frieza's peons passed by Namek post-disaster, scanned it, landed, poked around, and then saw barely anyone was living there and that the quality of the planet was not very good so they simply passed it up and never went back. Perhaps they spoke to a couple locals or something but even if they did, would you instantly believe that these nearly extinct people would be serious when they mention magic artifacts that grant wishes? I think most of the low level fodder soldiers and scientists that would go on a mission like this would simply hand wave it as ceremonial nonsense from a (at that time) primitive race. Word gets around, everyone thinks its all either rumors or jokes.
How would eternal life even help Vegeta win? Like, congrats, you won't die, but now you're just a torso.
infinite zenkai boosts
@@cyberdemon6517 strong torso.
Pretty sure immortality works in dragonball by making you invincible. Not stronger, just impervious to damage of any kind. With everlasting life ofc.
He would outlive everyone. So eventually he'd win by default
That was never stated nor implied: not in the manga, neither in the anime,@@jesiachord3179. You gotta prove such an idea.
What if we keep kind of take the story that lord slug gave. Something about how there was a bunch of super namekians that were banned and wished off the planet.
Would make sense to be honest.
Vegeta had to write a essay on then to graduate in university.
He was a Prince and got special tutors and teachers.
It's simple. Namekians used to be a space faring race at the apex of their civilization. Probably long before the freiza race came to power.
I love the end of the Saiyan arc
Most of the team is dead, goku krillin, and gohan are badly injured (some more than others)
The little hope they have is SO POWERFUL
I'm at 9:40 when leaving this comment. Apologies if you mention it. But I think the best explanation is that Kami wasn't the only Namek who fled, and at some point in his travels Vegetta encountered a Namekean on another planet who had fled Namek just like Kami did.
Its simple.. Frieza did send scouts throughout the Universe to find Planets to conquer and sell. A near desolate wasteland with little to no ressources and less then a 1000 inhabitants most likely didnt seem worth it. But i guess a Databank exists where people can read through what planets exist in the Universe and a Legend like the Dragonballs sounds like a nice past time read for a bored soldier between engagements :P
Makes you wonder if the Namekian on Planet Cereal, Monaito, had something to do with the rumors of the Dragon Balls. If not him directly, then his population of Namekians who lived on Planet Cereal.
Well when Krillin told the Grand Elder of the events that happened thus far, particularly about Piccolo being defeated by Nappa, the Grand Elder asked if he was a Super Saiyan. This indicates that the Saiyans and the Namekians had some ancient shared history for the Grand Elder to talk about it as a possible form and not a legend. Most likely the capabilities of the Namekians faded to legends after their near extinction.
You'd think the Namekians would have used Parunga to help recover...
It was beyond his power lol
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD "I can bring people back from the dead, but, changing the weather of the planet is beyond my power" sounds about right, I guess.
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Here's an idea for a what if and that's what if android 16 was as violent as future android 17 and 18 as I'm curious about how it would affect 17 and 18s personality in the main timeline
Someone probably did scout the planet, unfortunately at the time it was ravaged by a hellish storm and as such they couldn't find any survivors. Since there was only one.
The real question is why the namekians never used the dragonballs to prevent their planet's disaster in the first place
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FYI I am still on the Frieza saga Manga wise in the books at home in the United kingdom here and I speedread through the Dragonball Volumes 1-15 in the past years and then moved onto the 3in1 manga books at home I bought them myself from Waterstones shops, amazon and WHSmith online here 16-18, 19-21, 22-24, 25-27 and the rest of them (28-30, 31-33, 34-36, 37-39 and 40-42) in the current time here were 33rd Birthday presents from my family June 5th flew by here I'm kind of also satisfied that here my knowledge of 3 times tables has'nt failed me yet.
Maybe that’s why the one on planet cereal escaped . He was very old . Maybe he fled like Kami did
Even though it’s a dark thing to talk about I always wondered what happened to future chi chi from trunks/cell timeline
Why did Vegeta forget about Beerus lol
because Absolutely everything after the DragonBall Manga is obviously just Filler
Not mentioning something isn't forgetting it.
@@AlphaProto just like him having a brother right
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Real answer: Beerus didn't exist until the 2010s.
Granted, I can't imagine he encountered him THAT regularly, and considering one of the reasons Beerus hated the sayains was because King Vegeta held out on him with the most comfortable pillow... ...
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I should've known that before i even clicked the video. I forgot piccolo is the reason
Vegeta is a space man that flew around space destroying planets and killing people. It's not hard to believe that he's heard of a planet that is capable of spaceflight and has been for hundreds of years...
Vegeta and Nappa probably learned about Namekians through a combination of second hand and third hand sources that they eventually pieced together, but were not sure if it was a legend or not. I would imagine that in a universe filled with multiple legends about different races, one myth would not necessarily stand out from the others until it becomes relevant like when they first met Piccolo on Earth. Moreover in modern Dragonball, particularly in the Granola arc there is a Namekian which shows (at least now) that there are multiple Namekians spread out the universe who may have kept certain stories about their ancient civilisation alive. In some ways think about the parallels with our world. We have various different peoples with their own histories spread across the world in diasporas that have lost parts of their history and origins while retaining some knowledge of their culture, think (African Americans, Jews, Gypsies, Roma, Berbers and some Native American groups etc) that we may know about on a limited basis but can piece together different parts to create a picture that we can understand when it becomes relevant.
You wondered about how a space pirate employed by a space emperor knew about a planet in space?
Video idea: how did Guru know about the Super Saiyan
Maybe He & Nappa had met a Namek and killed him
Namek was known, but known to be energy rich or of high value for the space empire and its pirates run by King Cold and Freezer.
So Vegeta knew about it; but it clearly wasn't a top priority.
They learn about the dragonballs, via Raditz.
So they clearly could have known about Namek without knowing about the dragonballs
There is a good chance that prior to the Namek arc, Namekians traded with the Freeza force. Enough that one Namekian spoke with them and fed them with information they shouldn't have known, this way people across Freeza's Empire learned about them and their presumed magical abilities. I am not glad for what Freeza did but I am glad for given, in my opinion the best villain in the DB franchise.
I'm pretty sure the frieza force had a database that had info on Namek
he minored Planets of the Universe at Saiyan University took a major in Pain
I think the answer isn't so important because there are a lot of way of explaining it. I mean, they are a warrior race that work for a planet conquering emperor, for sure they know and have heard about a lot of planets and populations that we can't even imagine, plus the scouter is taking constant information and every member of Frieza army is equiped with it so they are constantly sharing informations.
P.S.: all this thank you to the beauty mind of Toryama that decide to explain a lot of things from his character with the "coming from another planet" plot.
Because Bardock was a brilliant scientist
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I have always been under the impression that they examined the planet, and deemed it not worth it.
Freeza was essentially a planet broker, and most of what we see of namek are relatively small islands.
If the namekians were relatively strong (able to beat vegeta before namek saga, thus would have required someone like dodoria/zarbon) then wiuld it really be worth flipping the planet?
As for the "legend" it could just be that they picked up the legend from hearing about the dragon balls from goku, and drawing the conclusion that namek had some
Everyone here forgetting about the wanderer lord slug.
Obviously he knew from Zuno 🙂↕️
Akira Toriyama told Vegeta. Obviously! 😅
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I think the original namekians were wipe out from buu before he was sealed. Because buu has been around a really long time. And after he killed them the supreme kai Lord saved the information in a book
Isn’t it pretty much cannon that the namekians were space traveling people before the collapse of their society? Regardless of that I find it hard to believe the frieza force had no idea abt a massive life sustaining planet with little chance of resistance to takeover. Maybe the galactic real estate empire just hadn’t gotten down to namek on their list yet but they definitely knew abt it. Hell, they knew how to get there no problem lol.
When u mentioned Vegeta's desire for immortality, I thought about something. Let's say he was successful in getting his wish for it. And then, went onto encounter Freiza. Would he still get Zenkai boosts like he did throughout Namek? Because Zenkai's only happen on a near fatal wound. But, if u are immortal, then no amount of damage can even be fatal. so then, how would he win against Freiza? or Goku after he heals for that matter?
I think they could still have the zenkai because the wish for immortality wouldn't affect their basic biology, I don't think that ability would be taken from the body just like that.
Goku has brain damage where Vegeta is a genius. Pretty sure his Saiyan pod also has information on wherever he goes.
Where does Monaito fit into the Namekian history? When did he leave Namek?
Nappa told him all about Namek.
Vegeta and Nappa knew about Namek because they are part of a marauding Warrior race.
Forget about belonging to the Frieza Force, the Saiyajin were at minimum around for a 1000 years going by the "Super Saiyajin Legend!" and I think its likely that ancestors heard about Namek, passing that information on.
The reason the Saiyajin never went to Namek to verify that information themselves is because they didn't know Planet Namek's location, but that's where the network of the Cold Force (since it was before Cold stepped down) came through.
But at that point centuries have gone by and that information was regarded as laughable rumors, as well as their oppressors (Frieza's family) didn't knowing about the Dragon Balls.
In conclusion, if Vegeta and Nappa didn't start yapping about that information on the Scouters Frieza wouldn't have known about that legend.
Google maps... Mic drop
Space exploring
In the dub Vegeta mentions seeing something similar to the kaioken during his planetary invasions. Was this an ass pull, or is there anything like this in the manga or even Japanese anime?
It’s just something the dub invented.
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I believe that if we do take the modern day concept of Dragon Ball super and add it to the Z Saga then in contrast a lot of the namekians, more specifically close to the dragon clan, which have the power to create the Dragon balls themselves like Monaito, Kami and even dende. May intern have lost the knowledge about how to create the magical spheres sort of like a back up system or a defense to prevent anyone from learning how to create and misuse them.
If you look at slug the super namek, from the Dragon Ball movie, he was in fact from the advanced warrior class of namekians he didn’t know anything about the Dragon balls either even though he’s from the same race as piccolo and Dende. It will probably also stand to reason as well to that in the opening scene where we see Vegeta in Nappa together there on the planet they’re almost resembles that of Namek itself and as frieza had mentioned that the saiyan prince had been in constant combat for years so it would stand to reason that he must’ve overheard rumors about the namekian race still being alive in the world the creators of these magical spheres in the first place.
Nameks weren’t just native the namek. There’s implied to be more throughout the universe. In vegetas time out in space it’s not crazy to think he just over heard about them.
My question is, where did the Kais that Buu absorbed go after Buu died? As we saw in Z, after the death of old Kai in the Buu arc when he gave his life to Goku and after the death of King Kai, they remained alive simply with a halo on their heads. But none of the absorbed Kais were revived. Did they merge with Buu's essence and disappeared along with their souls? Even Grand Supreme Kai is alive inside the Good Buu.
I'm guessing they exist inside Uub since Kid Buu was reincarnated into him after death.
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Crazy that a civilization of 100 people is well known...its like recognizing a esau son today
Real red 🟥 people...very good explaination and good video
Why didn't the namekians wish back those killed by the storm...
Have you read the granola arc? They have gone to other planets
Armys tend to have recon forces that gather intelligence.
In think he heard about it from freeza
Why didnt they just let someone absorb the grand elder before he passed?
Nail had an opportunity to fuse with Guru, though that only lead to a weaker piccolo, probably not many strong fighter type Namekians willing to fuse.
In future trunks timeline….did Goku use Instant Transmission to fight Frieza AND King Cold?? Did he wipe them out easy??? Frieza states he’s far stronger than on Namek…and the gang I think Krillin got Gohan state the SECOND power level makes Friezas look tiny…..🤔🤔
Ontop of that…goku KILLS both of them in trunks timeline? Something he doesn’t do hmmmmm
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Why did kami even create the dragon balls. Didnt he realize that would put everyone in danger ?
Because he could, and if he didn't a lot of people would of stayed dead
Kami tells Goku he created the Dragon Ball's as a contingency plan as a sort of emergency button for mortals to help in hose role as guardian of earth. He was originally going to just get rid of them because of all the problems it caused but Goku talked him out of it. However what people don't remember is that only Goku and his friends are actually allowed to use the Earth Dragon Balls, now and that may have carried over to Dende
Namekians wanted to replicate the power of the super dragon balls with their own.
Is Captain Ginyu Immortal?
Super kami guru
New house?
You are wrong in thinking that the Nameks would tell hostile aliens about the dragonballs.
neat
How freiza know about namek ??
he's the emperor of most of the universe. he might not personally know of every planet in his domain but there's probably a database. also there were rumors around space about the dragon balls I thjnk??
Do you not know pay attention, he heard threw Vegata & Nappa's scouter when they were on earth, Also he's the emperor so he probably has people to find it