Crown Victoria - Electronic Throttle Body vs. Old School

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  • Опубликовано: 30 окт 2024

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  • @hullinger
    @hullinger 3 года назад +6

    I'm here to see the crazy drivers in the California rain, but the discussion on throttle body vs. linkage kept me here.

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад +2

      Right on Chris,
      It's like if Running Man (1987) had a Bumper Car Death Match. Lol
      Thanks for stopping by.
      -Chuck

  • @WJHandyDad
    @WJHandyDad 3 года назад +8

    Thank you Professor McCheese. I learned a lot from this

    • @Re-ElectMayorMcCheese2024
      @Re-ElectMayorMcCheese2024 3 года назад +3

      Thank you kind citizen.
      I am not a member of any educated organization. I'm an elected government official.
      Make burgers great again.
      Re-Elect Mayor McCheese 2024
      I'm counting on all your support.

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад +2

      Right on Handy Dad,
      Thanks again for helping me out with this collab.
      -Chuck

  • @LyRiiCc512
    @LyRiiCc512 3 года назад +4

    lol the third section of the video says “Bottle Throtty”😂🤣🤣

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад

      Right on MM,
      I always get those two confused. lol
      -Chuck

  • @mrelectron6220
    @mrelectron6220 3 года назад +4

    Lot of points here Chuck but the bottom line for me is how easy is it to fix. If something in the drive by wire fails it is much harder for the average guy to fix. If broken throttle cable occurs its pretty simple to diagnose. If the cruise control unit fails the car can still be driven. If the sensors or motor fail your stuck. Don't get me wrong Im all for advances in cars but I also live by the acronym k.I.S.S. it. Keep it simple stupid. 30 years ago a dome light was controlled by a switch in a door it went on it went off and easy to diag if some thing went wrong. Fast forward we need to have a computer module to dim lights off as we leave the car why? when that module goes out it is also tied into other systems like windows ect. You wind up replacing a computer module which cost a hell of a lot more than a simple switch. An example is my 2019 dodge van the horn button is not controlling the horn it sends input to a chassis module why? you still need a horn button and I hate that I can't give a quick rap on the horn button to alert some one the light is green and wake up and go. It requires I hold the button down for a period and sound like I'm being an ass about it. Long winded I know but that's my take on electronics to control simple functions is stupid and just a money maker for the dealer to service.

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад +1

      Right on Mr. E,
      Thanks for stopping by.
      You don't need to convince me, I'm all on board the stupid simple train. Lol
      Btw, RUclips doesn't charge extra for paragraphs, hit the enter key once in a while. Lol
      -Chuck

  • @Kuson2
    @Kuson2 3 года назад +5

    Wow, I actually learned quite a bit from this video! Thanks for taking the time to inform me and others that didn't know too much about this. I'll be sure to check out the other videos too. Really glad to be a part of the Panther community, lots of really smart, helpful people.

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад +2

      Right on Kuson,
      Thanks for the kind words, but I can't take any credit.
      I just watched a couple RUclips videos. lol
      -Chuck

    • @richardkluesek4301
      @richardkluesek4301 3 года назад +1

      @@PanzerPlatform You're a good professor, Chuck, and Kuson2's comment reflects my impressions too. BTW since you drive with both systems do you have a preference for one or the other, not considering the vehicles but only your foot controlling the cable or the computer monitoring through a sensor ?

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад +1

      @@richardkluesek4301
      Right on Richard,
      If we're only talking about driving satisfaction of the two different systems.
      The conventional gets my vote.
      -Chuck

    • @littleflapjack
      @littleflapjack 3 года назад +1

      Agreed

  • @thisguysgarage
    @thisguysgarage 2 года назад +3

    A one inch taller tire will reduce your final gear ratio in the differential .25 so if your rear gear ⚙ is 3:30 to 1 with the taller tire your final gear ratio would be 3:05 to 1 at the tire which would account for the 1mpg increase or better fuel economy.
    Also the electronic throttle says no no no when you are hoarsing around. Less warranty claims for abuse. Good stuff chuck

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  2 года назад +1

      Right on Shaun,
      These are the kind of golden nuggets that would be perfect in a panther collaboration.
      You gotta get another panther car. Lol
      -Chuck

    • @thisguysgarage
      @thisguysgarage 2 года назад +1

      @@PanzerPlatform my mustang has all the same components as the panther platform. I have been looking for a panther. For it to be a long term thing it needs to be console shift tack and gauges with a good color .

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  2 года назад +1

      I'm not sure but I think the Crown Vic LX Sport with the console shifter, and the Grand Marquis HPP (handling performance package) with console shifter were only made 2004 and older.
      And the instrument cluster with tach did not start until 2006.
      But there's a guy on here (brian's garage) that does some pretty neat custom gauge mods to put the newer cluster in older models for the tach.
      -Chuck

    • @thisguysgarage
      @thisguysgarage 2 года назад +1

      @@PanzerPlatform I'd like to find a broken marauder in blue but I'd settle for black lol

  • @littleflapjack
    @littleflapjack 3 года назад +3

    I wonder if chuck was a teacher? Reminds me of my favorite high school teacher

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад

      Right on J,
      I've been a failed student my whole life. Lol
      -Chuck

  • @canadianmarauder1923
    @canadianmarauder1923 3 года назад +6

    I liked being able to control throttle when working under the hood. Can’t do that anymore with drive by wire. Not a huge deal but annoying without a helper

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад

      Right on C-Raud,
      Thanks for stopping in.
      You can say that again.
      -Chuck

  • @andreik1775
    @andreik1775 3 года назад +2

    As always, well organized and detailed information presented in concise format. Thank you, Chuck.

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад +1

      Right on Andrei,
      Thanks for stopping in.
      Send me an email if you want to join future collabs like this.
      -Chuck

    • @andreik1775
      @andreik1775 3 года назад +1

      @@PanzerPlatform will do, Chuck. I have your email from the description to the video. I am learning a lot.

  • @CollazosGarage
    @CollazosGarage 3 года назад +4

    I didn't think about the other stuff such as the IAC, you're right on the money about being more expensive because of the other components etc

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад +1

      Right on AC,
      Man, you brought up a lot of good points too.
      Thanks again for helping me out with this collab.
      -Chuck

  • @NorthCoastT
    @NorthCoastT 2 года назад +2

    Great video Chuck! Very informative as usual and very detailed. I'm happy that you didn't crash as you were driving distracted lol.

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  2 года назад

      Right on Tiger,
      Maybe I'll get on the highway first before I start another one of these videos. Lol
      -Chuck

  • @thisguysgarage
    @thisguysgarage 2 года назад +2

    If one doesn't like the drive by wire one could flash the pcm with a sct tuner for example. It will greatly help lagging throttle response.

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  2 года назад

      Right on Shaun,
      That's a good point.
      I wonder how much that would cost.
      -Chuck

    • @thisguysgarage
      @thisguysgarage 2 года назад +1

      @@PanzerPlatform you can find a used one reasonable. They can be married to 5 different cars but not at the same time. It gets expensive if you have to send the tuner back to set to have it unlocked so eBay would be the place to look where you are protected on that type of sale

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  2 года назад

      So like $100?

    • @thisguysgarage
      @thisguysgarage 2 года назад +1

      @@PanzerPlatform if you see one for 100 bucks grab it.

  • @Jono.P
    @Jono.P 2 года назад +2

    Very interesting. Many good points there Chuck. Ya i had the chance to drive an 03 vic and I definitely felt the difference in throttle response and it also felt like it had a little but more low end power.

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  2 года назад

      Right on TB,
      Thanks for stopping by.
      Don't forget to check out the other videos in the collaboration.
      -Chuck

  • @encinobalboa
    @encinobalboa Год назад +1

    I have '04 and '08 so have examples of both. Drive by wire can be very good but I prefer cable linkage.

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  Год назад

      Right on, thanks for the good feedback.
      -Chuck

  • @highrzr
    @highrzr 2 года назад +1

    DWB for me, is the way to go.

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  2 года назад

      Right on RZR,
      Thanks for stopping by.
      -Chuck

  • @JayHeru
    @JayHeru 2 года назад +2

    Have you had any issues with Torque converter shudder? I’ve been trying to figure what was going on with my ‘02 Crown Vic because sometimes when it shudders around 40-45 mph. I have 200k+ miles on the car & the tranny fluid has never been changed, do you think this could be the cause?

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  2 года назад

      You're going to drive me to drink, Jamo. Lol
      Drop the pan, clean the magnet, change the filter, replace the 4 quarts of fluid ASAP.
      Chop! Chop! Lol
      -Chuck

  • @j.t.cooper2963
    @j.t.cooper2963 3 года назад +2

    $15 for a new throttle cable or at least a $100 for an aftermarket electric TB or $200-$300 for a Motorcraft one. My 2006 is already on it's third electronic TB at 150K. 👎🏻 That's no bueno for me. I only had to replace one throttle cable on all of my past cars over the last 40 years.

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад

      Right on JT,
      Thanks for stopping by.
      So you're saying the move to electronics may have been more beneficial to the manufacturer than the consumer Impossible!
      Just kidding. lol
      -Chuck

  • @WarriorOfEden3033
    @WarriorOfEden3033 3 года назад +4

    DBW is better

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад +1

      Right on Warrior,
      Thanks for stopping in.
      What are the Pros for your application?
      What do things do you like about it?
      -Chuck

    • @WarriorOfEden3033
      @WarriorOfEden3033 3 года назад +2

      @@PanzerPlatform Pros: tunable & cheap.
      Cons: the delay but like in the video you can fix that

    • @PanzerPlatform
      @PanzerPlatform  3 года назад +1

      @@WarriorOfEden3033
      Right on,
      Thanks for the good feedback.
      -Chuck

    • @j.t.cooper2963
      @j.t.cooper2963 3 года назад +1

      Considering a replacement throttle cable is $15 and a replacement ETB is anywhere from $100-$300, I don't see any advantage. I have already had to replace 3 ETB's on my 2006. The only way DBW is "better" is if you like throwing your money away.

    • @WarriorOfEden3033
      @WarriorOfEden3033 2 года назад +1

      @@j.t.cooper2963 mines original on my 2011 CVPI just clean it regularly. 176k miles. It’s not an assembly replacement when a component goes out you can replace parts in it just like that $15 cable you mentioned. Also it’s a very simple system that improved fuel economy 🤷‍♂️