I had the Toaks Siphon burner for a while before I discovered the Lixada. They both work better than any other alcohol burner on the market. The siphon design sets them apart. I snuff both of them with cut off Red Bull cans, the larger for the Lixada and the smaller diameter for the Toaks. An extra piece, I know. Takes up no space and adds no weight. Surplus alcohol is easily poured back into bottle (after cool down). I light the burner after the pour back to burn away the residual fuel. The cross stand works well with the Lixada. Remove it with Leatherman pliers to enable snuffing. My Lixada will boil a liter of water in a Lixada 1600ml pot in about ten minutes with a lid and windscreen. The Toaks takes a little longer with less fuel. I use the Toaks 4 piece pot stand with Toaks burner. For a smaller pot, I use only three of the pieces. I haven't used a Fancee Feast stove, but I can see that it would work better in the cold. I place my Lixada siphon burner on a can top as a priming tray, with a few drops of fuel to facilitate priming. Thanks for your excellent reviews of alcohol burners/stoves, Ernie. Be well.
For some reason when I watch one of your videos Hiram Cook comes to mind. Since he's not producing videos anymore it's nice to have a accurate presentation like he use to have on stoves and gear.
Some people film what they are doing and post it on RUclips. Some people produce videos and post them on RUclips. You sir, produce videos. You've got all the relevant info ready to go, good shots of the product (which you've actually tested), and good flow.
I own the Toaks and just bought this for the longer burn capacity. The bonus is that the Toaks fits very neatly inside the Lixada one so you have an extra burner. The pot stand is spot on too and it also fits on the Toaks' one upside down. I love it !
This looks like another great stove Dr. Ernie. I bought the Toaks after your review last week so probably won't get this one. Thanks again for another informative review.
I own this little beast of a stove a really dig it. TOGR loves to make lazy generalizations about all alcohol stoves taking about 10minutes to boil 2 cups of water. This stove blows that figure out of the water. It requires your devoted attention not to over cook or boil something over. 😅
Nice ! I really like all the lixada stoves I have purchased! I'm going to have to join Ally express . I would really like to see the lixada gasoline stove . I am considering getting one of any brand . I just have had good luck so far with lixada ! Thank you for posting this video ! Take care and stay safe my friend !!!
While it doesn't work if you have the cross pot stand on top, I find cutting the bottom off a UK size soft drink can gives you a snuffer that will drop neatly just inside the top of this stove (bottom of the can first) and extinguish the flame, also weighs nothing and easy to make/replace - although necessitates carrying a seperate pot stand so need to think about the weight/size of that.
If you use a hardware cloth pot stand like I do it's very easy to extinguish by just pulling away the pot stand and putting the bottom of the pot directly on the stove for a couple of seconds. The siphons make it a little difficult to recover leftover fuel though.
I like alcohol stoves. Your channel is best of the best regarding alcohol stoves, I guess, of course, in other subjects. As mentioned below I hope the battle between Lixada and Toaks siphone soon :) Always give my trust to you~ Regards..
I bought that lixada siphon stove and use it mostly in combination with my firebox nano and it works amazingly well. I am very impressed by its performance. Maybe it’s a copycat but it’s a well made one which is not always the case with copycat. Very interested by your side by side comparison and I suggest you to use the firebox nano as pot stand.
The same factory that made the Toaks stove make extra OEM copies, that is sell with other brands, eg. Lixada, Ghoshawk Toaks is (authorized) copy of FreeFlight FREVO R, became as join venture but the Chinese manufacture quality don't meet FreeFlight standards. Other example, year's ago Esbit order a Trangia knockoff in China, the factory made extra OEM versions, available in Aliexpress and similar, and even with other brands, like ALOCS, Rec Camp... It's how China works.
Has anyone tried to get felt, like asked, into the side walls to make Blume/ siphon more efficient? I know just in the bottom would probably help some, but really you want the WICKING material in the side wall.
Would love to see this stove in action with the firebox nano and maybe some "real world" burn tests (added light wind). I have a Lixada 900ml ti pot. Love that thing, just as good as a Toaks pot! For quick coffee in the morning I currently use a diy sideburning whitebox clone that measures 2"x2" and comes in at 18g. I always have my firebox with me so the Lixada or the Toaks seem like they might be a better choice. I know you love the trangia, but i haven't been too impressed with the trangia/nano combo. For one it's incredibly heavy, and two I've had several times where it never brought 2 cups to a boil and generally on a day with light wind even with a wind screen you are looking at a 10 min boil at best.
I use this Lixada stove in combination with Vargo Hexagon titanium wood stove as a stand and wind screen + Toaks 800ml titanium pot. 200ml water boils under 2min 40s. My main fuel is wood and I use it while camping for preparing meals in the evening and morning, alcohol stove is a backup for cooking during day or if there is rain or you are not allowed to burn wood due to fire hazard etc.
Oh that cross stand it looks dangerous with a cup burner. Cross stand is safer with EverNew and its copies, in my opinion. I like the idea of trying myself that Toaks burner. Toaks have made some pretty bad designs with unstable twig stove or that 4 plate stand that acts more like an insulator on top. But a Toaks burner is I think same size on height as Trangia, so I'd like try it when I can :) I am thinking of my redcamp 3 leg style stand. To fit in Trangia cookset, I doubt Weylan it will work.
How much fuel are you using? I don’t get these results with mine, for me 1oz of Bioethanol is used up in under 6 mins before getting 2 cups of water to the boil, both with an MSR Titan Kettle & a 750ml titanium mug. So unfortunately it’s just not worth using when a simple puck alcohol stove will boil the 2 cups with 25ml of fuel & have burn to spare
I tried something similar. But Trangia cannot adapt to any burner with more power than its own. The pot became very dark. This may be due to the limited oxygen supply capacity of the 25 system.
Where would you add felt? The stove is already folded and has wicking channels right to the jets. I cannot see then how adding felt could add to the stove. Am I missing something?
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@@thomasmackey6760 ..no you don't.. but in case I also think wrong I'd like to hear otherwise
@@thomasmackey6760 I’m just asking a question. The reason I’m asking is because I worry about tipping it over. Obviously carbon felt avoids a disaster if a small stove such as this gets knocked over.
Decrease greatly, to the point of ruining the burn. Once the felt wicks up the fuel, how is it supposed to be drawn up the inside of the wall? You'd just turn it from a jetted burner to a crappy center burn wick stove doing that.
Does anybody know if this stand will also fit the trangia? It seems a big higher than most cross stands, which seems to be associated with longer boil times. Anyone?
It fits, sort of, but doesn't lock into place. There's a gap and with a heavy pot of water, it might spill both hot water & burning fuel! I don't recommend using the siphon stove stand with the trangia!
Of all the follows I have on U-tube Maybe you could do a vid or answer a question. I want an ultra light stove but I want to use My 1 LB propane. I can refill them so I want to use that. Having the coleman big ass burner that stands so tall I want something lower to the ground. I have an adapter to convert a Butane/Iso stove so I can connect Butane 1 Lb'ers, But what stove would you recommend under 30 bucks if you could?? Thank you.
@@mbarr1029 that's the tube you see in some stoves that loops over the burner itself and looks like it will heat up when the stove runs. When liquid gas gets into the generator tube it boils into vapor so the stove can use it. It's sort of rare on butane canister stoves, but some of the remote stoves with hoses are built like that. Look for something like the giant bulin stove Ernie tested recently, it has one sticking up in the middle. Optimus Vega is a good canister stove with a gen tube, the whisper lite univeral might work for you, too, but its a pricey system. Worth it tho, you can use everything from unleaded gasoline to canisters to propane. I think. I know for sure the vega is a good one.
@@mbarr1029 also, there are a few of the loud, Nova-style burners that will run on canisters, any of those should work, but they're obnoxiously loud to some folks. I don't mind them, but some people just don't care for it.
A cross stand put on top of a cup burner, it is not a good idea. You can use it at home on table and test it how ever much lol. Such thing on nature wont work, unless you bring a something stable for it to stand or find. That is pretty impossible otherwise!
If Toaks would just manufacture their products in some place other than China, maybe they wouldn't have a Chinese brand copying them so closely (even the stuff sack, as you say).
That won't actually help at all.. When a Chinese factory wants to copy something, they just buy a few of them and tear them apart and reverse engineer the design. A Chinese factory can tear down a product and have it replicated in CAD drawings within a few days, and then have it in mass production within a week or so... At this point, if your product has very few moving parts and is not complex in its design, there's nothing you can do to stop it being copied by the Chinese... It's only when exacting tolerances in things like specialist tooling is required that the Chinese will have a lot more trouble replicating it, eg. compare the bearings made in China to those made in Germany, the difference is stark... See the following video as an example - ruclips.net/video/T4Zc3Go2WLY/видео.html
Um, they're all produced in the same facilities. Every. Last. One. Lixada, toaks, boundless voyage, and all the other hot pressed titanium crap you can find to buy.. you can even see the same tool marks from the same press die on similar products from different brands if you look at enough different listings..
@@camojoe83 Evernew? Snow Peak? I obviously agree with you on the point of manufacturing location. I was just commenting on the fact the copies are copied even down to the fabric that is used to make the stuff sacks.
@@calvinmonroe2408 The word 'generally' implies there's exceptions to this rule. If you drop a Jetboil on the fins of the pot the stove might not attach to it anymore rendering the whole system useless...so they aren't even durable. Always depends on use case though, for group hiking or car camping people who have the budget they might be ok.
I had the Toaks Siphon burner for a while before I discovered the Lixada. They both work better than any other alcohol burner on the market. The siphon design sets them apart. I snuff both of them with cut off Red Bull cans, the larger for the Lixada and the smaller diameter for the Toaks. An extra piece, I know. Takes up no space and adds no weight. Surplus alcohol is easily poured back into bottle (after cool down). I light the burner after the pour back to burn away the residual fuel. The cross stand works well with the Lixada. Remove it with Leatherman pliers to enable snuffing. My Lixada will boil a liter of water in a Lixada 1600ml pot in about ten minutes with a lid and windscreen. The Toaks takes a little longer with less fuel. I use the Toaks 4 piece pot stand with Toaks burner. For a smaller pot, I use only three of the pieces. I haven't used a Fancee Feast stove, but I can see that it would work better in the cold. I place my Lixada siphon burner on a can top as a priming tray, with a few drops of fuel to facilitate priming. Thanks for your excellent reviews of alcohol burners/stoves, Ernie. Be well.
Mark Young modded a snuffer & simmer ring for the Lixada siphon stove
ruclips.net/video/XYg4MYxcv20/видео.html
For some reason when I watch one of your videos Hiram Cook comes to mind. Since he's not producing videos anymore it's nice to have a accurate presentation like he use to have on stoves and gear.
I think he passed away😢
Some people film what they are doing and post it on RUclips. Some people produce videos and post them on RUclips. You sir, produce videos. You've got all the relevant info ready to go, good shots of the product (which you've actually tested), and good flow.
I own the Toaks and just bought this for the longer burn capacity. The bonus is that the Toaks fits very neatly inside the Lixada one so you have an extra burner. The pot stand is spot on too and it also fits on the Toaks' one upside down. I love it !
Love your video style. Excellent delivery and no BS. Keep em coming. Wish I had found you two years ago.
Direct comparison!!!! 😋🤗 Why I like to watch water boil???😏🤓
This looks like another great stove Dr. Ernie. I bought the Toaks after your review last week so probably won't get this one. Thanks again for another informative review.
I own this little beast of a stove a really dig it. TOGR loves to make lazy generalizations about all alcohol stoves taking about 10minutes to boil 2 cups of water. This stove blows that figure out of the water. It requires your devoted attention not to over cook or boil something over. 😅
Nice ! I really like all the lixada stoves I have purchased! I'm going to have to join Ally express . I would really like to see the lixada gasoline stove . I am considering getting one of any brand . I just have had good luck so far with lixada ! Thank you for posting this video ! Take care and stay safe my friend !!!
While it doesn't work if you have the cross pot stand on top, I find cutting the bottom off a UK size soft drink can gives you a snuffer that will drop neatly just inside the top of this stove (bottom of the can first) and extinguish the flame, also weighs nothing and easy to make/replace - although necessitates carrying a seperate pot stand so need to think about the weight/size of that.
If you use a hardware cloth pot stand like I do it's very easy to extinguish by just pulling away the pot stand and putting the bottom of the pot directly on the stove for a couple of seconds. The siphons make it a little difficult to recover leftover fuel though.
Easier to recover fuel than my other fav alcohol stove, the Boundless Voyage - Evernew copycat, with internal fiberglass wick
that's some Panasonic contrast based auto focus right there ;-))))
Thanks for the video, awesome as always
I would love to see a review of larger stoves for car camping and vans including alcohol types. Great vid quality content!
I like alcohol stoves. Your channel is best of the best regarding alcohol stoves, I guess, of course, in other subjects. As mentioned below I hope the battle between Lixada and Toaks siphone soon :)
Always give my trust to you~ Regards..
I bought that lixada siphon stove and use it mostly in combination with my firebox nano and it works amazingly well. I am very impressed by its performance. Maybe it’s a copycat but it’s a well made one which is not always the case with copycat. Very interested by your side by side comparison and I suggest you to use the firebox nano as pot stand.
The same factory that made the Toaks stove make extra OEM copies, that is sell with other brands, eg. Lixada, Ghoshawk
Toaks is (authorized) copy of FreeFlight FREVO R, became as join venture but the Chinese manufacture quality don't meet FreeFlight standards.
Other example, year's ago Esbit order a Trangia knockoff in China, the factory made extra OEM versions, available in Aliexpress and similar, and even with other brands, like ALOCS, Rec Camp... It's how China works.
Nice video and I'll wait on the head to head battle because I'm real interested in one of these stoves.
Ok Ernie, I’m leaning toward the Toaks, but I’m not buying either until I see your head to head comparison video! (Waiting…tap tap tap!)
You been pumping out content Ernie thanks love your channel
Has anyone tried to get felt, like asked, into the side walls to make Blume/ siphon more efficient? I know just in the bottom would probably help some, but really you want the WICKING material in the side wall.
Learn about capillary action.
Great editing on this video Ernie!
I Love my RUCAS stove and no reason for a pot stand. Great video!
Would love to see this stove in action with the firebox nano and maybe some "real world" burn tests (added light wind). I have a Lixada 900ml ti pot. Love that thing, just as good as a Toaks pot! For quick coffee in the morning I currently use a diy sideburning whitebox clone that measures 2"x2" and comes in at 18g. I always have my firebox with me so the Lixada or the Toaks seem like they might be a better choice. I know you love the trangia, but i haven't been too impressed with the trangia/nano combo. For one it's incredibly heavy, and two I've had several times where it never brought 2 cups to a boil and generally on a day with light wind even with a wind screen you are looking at a 10 min boil at best.
I use this Lixada stove in combination with Vargo Hexagon titanium wood stove as a stand and wind screen + Toaks 800ml titanium pot. 200ml water boils under 2min 40s. My main fuel is wood and I use it while camping for preparing meals in the evening and morning, alcohol stove is a backup for cooking during day or if there is rain or you are not allowed to burn wood due to fire hazard etc.
Looking forward to the head to head Boss. Thanks for sharing as always!
I came for a side by side comparison what the heck??🤔 keep grinding Ernie!!(=✌💚
Just bought one
Thank you. I'm looking forward to the head to head.
Maybe add the recent Goshawk stove to the Lixada vs Toaks battle.
I have the GosHawk titanium multi-fuel wood gasifier stove Eddy-200, and Lixada siphon, but no Toaks. Makes for a great windscreen for the Lixada 👍
Hi there, can you review the BioLite 2? Great review as always!
Oh that cross stand it looks dangerous with a cup burner. Cross stand is safer with EverNew and its copies, in my opinion.
I like the idea of trying myself that Toaks burner. Toaks have made some pretty bad designs with unstable twig stove or that 4 plate stand that acts more like an insulator on top.
But a Toaks burner is I think same size on height as Trangia, so I'd like try it when I can :)
I am thinking of my redcamp 3 leg style stand. To fit in Trangia cookset, I doubt Weylan it will work.
I got mine today... shipping costs are more
Could you test the toaks siphon stove with various homemade pot stands.
I have the etowah , any chance of a review? Love your channel by the way.
Is it possible for you to add the AliExpress links? There are a bunch of us that avoid Amazon.
He may not be allowed to. Google and Amazon have this thing going on.
I will link to the store I bought this from. It took much longer than 11 days though: 3 weeks to Michigan.
a.aliexpress.com/_mNhl189
How much fuel are you using? I don’t get these results with mine, for me 1oz of Bioethanol is used up in under 6 mins before getting 2 cups of water to the boil, both with an MSR Titan Kettle & a 750ml titanium mug. So unfortunately it’s just not worth using when a simple puck alcohol stove will boil the 2 cups with 25ml of fuel & have burn to spare
🌲🦅🌲 thank you for sharing today🦅🎣
Right now, the copy is the only one available.
That's a dinky little thing. I love my Trangia though, i like that i can store little fuel in it and snuff it once water boils.
Is this stove's boil time a little better than the Trangia in the Firebox Nano?
Do you have a link to where your lighter can be purchased? Brand and is it available on amazon?
Looking forward to the head to head review.
I wonder how long can this burn for if you pour 100ml of fuel in there.
That's a good question, I should test that, right?
Any one tried to use this siphon with TRANGIA STORMCOOKER 25/27? And then adjust height to adjust burn?
I tried something similar. But Trangia cannot adapt to any burner with more power than its own. The pot became very dark. This may be due to the limited oxygen supply capacity of the 25 system.
Do you think adding carbon felt would increase or decrease performance? Thanks for sharing
Where would you add felt? The stove is already folded and has wicking channels right to the jets. I cannot see then how adding felt could add to the stove. Am I missing something?
@@thomasmackey6760 ..no you don't.. but in case I also think wrong I'd like to hear otherwise
@@thomasmackey6760 I’m just asking a question. The reason I’m asking is because I worry about tipping it over. Obviously carbon felt avoids a disaster if a small stove such as this gets knocked over.
Decrease greatly, to the point of ruining the burn. Once the felt wicks up the fuel, how is it supposed to be drawn up the inside of the wall? You'd just turn it from a jetted burner to a crappy center burn wick stove doing that.
Can the cross stand be used on a Trangia burner?
No. It sort of fits, but there's a gap, and if off center can cause ur hot water & burning fuel to spill, I do NOT recommend
Does anybody know if this stand will also fit the trangia? It seems a big higher than most cross stands, which seems to be associated with longer boil times. Anyone?
It fits, sort of, but doesn't lock into place. There's a gap and with a heavy pot of water, it might spill both hot water & burning fuel! I don't recommend using the siphon stove stand with the trangia!
0:35 - Lixada copycat of Toaks, copycat of (FreeFlight) FREVO R.
Tetkoba's "CHS" system warranty a fast bloom, but is a bit hungry of fuel.
Of all the follows I have on U-tube Maybe you could do a vid or answer a question. I want an ultra light stove but I want to use My 1 LB propane. I can refill them so I want to use that. Having the coleman big ass burner that stands so tall I want something lower to the ground. I have an adapter to convert a Butane/Iso stove so I can connect Butane 1 Lb'ers, But what stove would you recommend under 30 bucks if you could?? Thank you.
Pretty much all of them will work in warm weather, but only designs with a generator tube or something like that will work in cold weather.
@@camojoe83 Thanks for the response. What would a generator tube be? the hose off the sit on the ground style burners?
@@mbarr1029 that's the tube you see in some stoves that loops over the burner itself and looks like it will heat up when the stove runs. When liquid gas gets into the generator tube it boils into vapor so the stove can use it. It's sort of rare on butane canister stoves, but some of the remote stoves with hoses are built like that. Look for something like the giant bulin stove Ernie tested recently, it has one sticking up in the middle.
Optimus Vega is a good canister stove with a gen tube, the whisper lite univeral might work for you, too, but its a pricey system. Worth it tho, you can use everything from unleaded gasoline to canisters to propane. I think. I know for sure the vega is a good one.
@@mbarr1029 also, there are a few of the loud, Nova-style burners that will run on canisters, any of those should work, but they're obnoxiously loud to some folks. I don't mind them, but some people just don't care for it.
A cross stand put on top of a cup burner, it is not a good idea. You can use it at home on table and test it how ever much lol. Such thing on nature wont work, unless you bring a something stable for it to stand or find. That is pretty impossible otherwise!
Works well inside the recently reviewed Goshawk titanium multi-fuel wood gasifier stove Eddy-200, as both a pot stand and windscreen 👍
This burner was a failure I could not get it bring water to a boil
Double fuel to 2oz, u might be higher elevation, or colder climates, colder water, wind highly affects burn times
If Toaks would just manufacture their products in some place other than China, maybe they wouldn't have a Chinese brand copying them so closely (even the stuff sack, as you say).
That won't actually help at all.. When a Chinese factory wants to copy something, they just buy a few of them and tear them apart and reverse engineer the design. A Chinese factory can tear down a product and have it replicated in CAD drawings within a few days, and then have it in mass production within a week or so... At this point, if your product has very few moving parts and is not complex in its design, there's nothing you can do to stop it being copied by the Chinese... It's only when exacting tolerances in things like specialist tooling is required that the Chinese will have a lot more trouble replicating it, eg. compare the bearings made in China to those made in Germany, the difference is stark... See the following video as an example - ruclips.net/video/T4Zc3Go2WLY/видео.html
But Toaks is a Chinese brand...
Um, they're all produced in the same facilities. Every. Last. One. Lixada, toaks, boundless voyage, and all the other hot pressed titanium crap you can find to buy.. you can even see the same tool marks from the same press die on similar products from different brands if you look at enough different listings..
@@camojoe83 Nice to come across somebody else who knows what's what when it comes to Chinese manufacturing..
@@camojoe83 Evernew? Snow Peak? I obviously agree with you on the point of manufacturing location. I was just commenting on the fact the copies are copied even down to the fabric that is used to make the stuff sacks.
How is it extinguished?
In the video, he lets it burn out. You can snuff it out by starving the flame from oxygen.
Yup, use pliers to remove pot stand and use the pot bottom to snuff flame 🔥
WTF is everyone obsessed wih stuffing felt into stoves? Stop it. Get some help.
$27 on Amazon and has No pot stand per your link
Jet boil does it in half the time
and 10 times the cost and weight
@@wio2189 generally you get what you pay for
@@calvinmonroe2408 The word 'generally' implies there's exceptions to this rule. If you drop a Jetboil on the fins of the pot the stove might not attach to it anymore rendering the whole system useless...so they aren't even durable. Always depends on use case though, for group hiking or car camping people who have the budget they might be ok.
@@wio2189 thats why i keep it as a spare
@@calvinmonroe2408 enjoy
That stand is waaaay too small
Made by the same manufacturer