REX HEUERMANN The Brilliant, Cutting Edge Policework That Led To The Latest Breakthrough Charges P 1
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As I was listening to the presser I immediately thought, I wonder what Nick will think of this? Personally, I'm in no doubt that this sadistic, psychopathic, narcissistic ogre has at least 10s of bodies across multiple states. I'm also relatively confident that 1993 at age 29 was likely not his first murder. He is truly the stuff of nightmares.
I think it's partially a DNA case - it's probably not enough on its own within the confines of each individual murder but juries love DNA to back up other direct and circumstantial evidence that support a prosecution narrative. He will be convicted with the solid support of DNA.
Well I think this is the difference between a true crime rocket scientist and a true crime schlocket scientist - one will imagine dozens, or even hundreds of victims while the other will have a more realistic idea of reality anchored in the evidence, and locked into what we know, rather than what we imagine.
It's sometimes hard to be scientific about cases like this when so many creators out there are sensationalizing and jumping on everything that's shock value as quickly as they can - especially, if you remember, trying to implicate other family members on this. Just because John Ray suggested it didn't make it legal fact, just as Shannon Gilbert is not connected to this case through any evidence, as much as many thought and hoped she was.
You're right - it is partially a DNA case, and the DNA aspect is a very important part of putting the puzzle pieces together coherently.
There are cold cases that are eerily similar across the five boroughs here in New York that remain unsolved from the late 80s -early 90s . I think this is only the tip of the iceberg .
If they use his DNA they should have to use his wifes and daughters, otherwise his should be thrown out.
@@renee8813and Canada has many more. Easy drive to there from NY
He is everyone's worst nightmare
It's truly amazing that there are 21 year old phone calls recoverable as evidence.
“Did the ogre and the victims move in similar circles” I like that, OGRE is a good description
That’s what Amber Costello’s roommate also described him as and it’s a perfect description. I don’t want to even begin to imagine what these women had to suffer through before he killed them. He’s terrifying.
They have Internet searches from more than 20 yrs ago, wow
How is it even possible to have search histories from years ago?
Rex’s lawyer has a very difficult job .
For sure … public already loath him …. Just like we did with John Prior . But I Hope he represents him well and RH never gets a retrial.
You think? Lol
He hoards, good , saves everything
Yes his meticulous documentation and inability to throw anything away works in our (LE) favour!!
What is amazing is that maybe his wife knew nothing because the house was not well kept it. Clutter and filth make it difficult for you to find anything. Probably, the chaos was on purpose. I keep thinking about my house and the fact that I know everything that is inside. It might take someone to hide something inside the walls for me, not to know or not to find it.
Probably thinking he'll never get caught
In their first search, last July, when the family left, along with Chris' dog, they had a hard time finding the 2 cats in all of that clutter.
@@laurenmay2098 My speculation is that he was paranoid to throw out his old computers (and disks/CDs/USBs/etc.) because he could get caught if someone found them in the trash or at the dump (a similar thing happened in Russia, an old phone was found by some construction workers, it had pictures dating back to 1999... it turned out the owners of the phone were a serial killer couple and cannibals).
Good thing for us he didn't burn them up with thermite or something like that.
I live on Long Island and have been following this case since the night Shannon Gilbert disappeared. I thought the killer would never be caught, and was surprised when Heuerman was arrested last July. The title is correct; he is a sick puppy. Good grief! Thank you for your interesting and informative video. I learned so much in 30 minutes and look forward to more. New subscriber.
I grew up and lived in Massapequa Park about 3 minutes from Rex’s house. I was doing a roofing job on Oak Beach about a week or so before she went missing. It was so weird because I was just there right before she went missing.
It's beyond creepy when you know you're in the area, went to college there years ago on Lloyd Harbor, directly north, the now defunct, Brigadoonish Friends World College. It takes one's breath away, shuddering. God, those poor women.
Nick, this has to be one of the most spine chilling of your episodes ever. It seemed as though your own spine was chilled as you narrated? Those lists he made! Oh my goodness! Disposing of tools and devices was at the top of his list. Remember when he kind of "smacked his lips" and said that a hammer was the tool most like him?
Often when you look at accused perpetrators after being arrested you see it in their photos..He terrifies me.
Yes, this case is now a strong DNA case with so much confirmation circumstantial evidence it's crazy. This case has turned even more shocking, but it's solid.
Such a twisted mind. I’m glad the evidence looks strong enough, so the victims have a good shot at getting justice.
I will look forward to your deep dive
This case Nick is a VERY large onion, SO many layers
Great work and analysis, alot i hadnt come across before now, especially the details, extraordinary...
Safe Travels
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Good work, Nick. Thank you.
I'm not surprised that he made lists. He's an architect, which takes a great deal of attention to detail. His lists add a whole new dimension to the term "organized serial killer."
That "planning document" is one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen. What a sick, twisted, perverted individual. More proof that you never know where the monsters lurk, nor the depths of their depravity.
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God yes😮
🤗 when I see a 30 min TCRS video thanks Nick great video
More to come!
This case is so gross it’s very hard to follow that’s all I can say
Yes gross😢
I look forward to the deep dive and the self esteem series. Thank you!
You got it!
I think the trigger was his mother, closely followed by his girlfriend, moving out of the house… in general, the serial killers that mutilate their female victims have “mommy” issues
You're halfway there.
It actually really shocked me, thos lists!!!! Omg wow 😢😢
I can't wait for the deep dive series. This documentwas so shocking to go through
This is deep one, thanks Nick for your analysis ❤️
So, Esa participated in the home parties. She was there when one of the murdered girls was running for help outside. Wouldn't she have seen the News and put two and two together?
BINGO
That is pure speculation at this point. Just like all the other theories I see people come up with. The only thing we know for sure is that his DNA and her DNA were found with some of the bodies.
@@yankees29 there was an eye witness
@@enick7955
There was an account given by a possible eyewitness.
I personally think Asa knew all along. Maybe not right away but within time,she did. Many women stay with their partners, no matter what they do. Low self esteem, financially, caring for a disabled child ext. I think writing in he's calendar "wife out of town" was specifically Asa asking him to do so,in order to protect her, in case he would be arrested. 🤔
Just listening now. So much to unravel and I know you’ll do it. 🚀🚀
Knew you would assemble the timeline well. Good reporting
Let’s hold off exonerating Asa - firstly if Rex held the victims and tortured them we cannot be sure Asa didn’t come across these victims. Secondly do you think YOU would know if your husband was stalking, planning, killing multiple people over many many years? No red flags at all? Maybe it was about taking the kids away. How do we know she didn’t know?!
Maybe she thought he was having sex parties. Cleaning the house wasn't her priority. If he is somehow Chad Daybell, he is a control freak. Or maybe she knew he was going to do and left town to not be implicated. People will be very uncomfortable if she knows and never call police, even anonymously.
Let’s hold off exonerating Asa >>>Let's not. Come on, this document definitively exonerates her.
That document does NOT exonerate Asa!
I have no doubt, that at some point, Asa will be arrested! Just wait
The police chief, based on his interview with Ada, is convinced she had no clue as to what was going on. I'll take the word of a seasoned NY cop over you..
Please try to imagine what Asa is going through. The cognitive dissonance must be literally crazy-making. 27 years with a man living such a double life. Have some compassion for her!
You cant exonerate Asa, theres no way they know the exact date these victims were killed, they dont know, they couldnt know, they only know the date reported missing, that could have been long before they ran into Rex. So they dont know the 😮date of deaths. Also, if they can use his hair as DNA evidence , they need to use her hair and daughters hair, otherwise they should throw out his hair DNA.
Thanks for checking in on this story, I had forgotten all about this case until your update.
Thanks for speaking up about the utterly baseless allegations against his family. There is so much evidence that shows Rex hid his crimes from his family, including preparing for their scheduled vacations and trying to replace his truck with the same make and model.
Your videos just keep getting better! Great presentation, thanks!
I knew you would be on this as soon as you got home and digested this37 page document Yes I do Looking forward to your deep dive
No doubt, by the time he penned his "how to" manual. He, as a matter of experience, had killed at least some others...
You were my first thought when I heard this on the news. I felt like as soon as you heard this , you would go back to your previous video and make an acknowledgement. Some people will not do that at all.
This is scary to me. His family living in the home, without knowing what atrocities actually happened in their home. I'm thinking, have a trial, then bulldoze the place to the ground. I'm listening again to be sure I got the whole picture
What do you think of all the channels who said that Asa was an accessory, and had John Ray as a guest saying the same thing?
@@TCRS since 1st saw mr ray, my spidey senses awoke. He likes the attn too much & grandstanding - IMO
Rex found great pleasure in laying out dismembered bodies at places he knew they would find it. He probably liked to read about it in the newspaper. It wasn't for transport. He got aroused by the attention. The bodies and parts at Gilgo, he didn't want to be found. When he read that a witness had described his vehicle at the dump site for Jessica Taylor, he stopped dismembering the victims, just laying them at Gilgo, where he had placed bodyparts since at least 1996, and felt safe nobody would discover them. That's why it's unlikely he killed Shannan Gilbert. He wouldn't do that in close proximity to his safe dump site at Gilgo, knowing it would draw attention from law enforcement to his secret spot.
He was also reading about being Disorganized (dismemberment?) or Organized. He evolved. He was ambitious.
911 never even bothered to look for her, and it was Shannon who was the first found - she is getting no justice here.
Thank you for your coverage. Always excellent and something to look forward to. 🚀. Great work.
Much appreciated!
I appreciate that you opened with acknowledgement of your previous skepticism. I learned my lesson with the Kohberger case: loose lips sink ships and murder investigations, so until we have official statements, formal changing documents, or sometimes though not always unsealed warrants, it's best not to get impatient with the police. And I'm no apologist for the police, but it seems like somewhere along the line--maybe after the Ramsey case?--it seems like most police investigators have learned the value of keeping silent until they have the their evidence for the DA very well sorted out.
How on earth does someone’s brain get so twisted? I know there are brain connectivity and structural differences in psychopaths’ brains, but how do they get to the point of such depravity and go unnoticed for so long? It’s mind boggling that often people who have been in contact with these types are not surprised that they turn out to be a psychopath, because they’ve picked up strange or antisocial behaviour in such individuals.
Humiliation as children and young adults.
@@TCRS thank you for covering this Nick. I’m looking forward to your deep dive👍
Smugglers Notch...that's where my father took my daughter skiing for years.
But he was a great grandfather. Even when she was in ski class, he skied not far behind the entire time. Never her let him out of his sight.
I skied there a couple of times.
@@yankees29 It's nice and is said to be good for kids in particular.
My daughter loved it.
First time viewer here, now I'm binge watching all your videos. Wow, what a great job you've done! RH reminds me of David Parker Ray, The Toy-Box Killer. He was also a sexual sadist and enjoyed kidnapping and torturing the women he abducted for weeks, even months, before killing them. He too was a meticulous planner and was very detail-oriented, even making his own torture boards and contraptions, even pulley systems. Listening to the "manifesto" he made that he forced his victims to listen to as soon as he abducted them in order to terrorize them even more, is the most chilling thing I've ever heard. RH gives me the same feeling of sheer terror.
I still think Asa had knowledge. How do you not know your husband is building a vault in the basement with a special table that includes a 'hard point' for hoisting victims? Maybe SHE is the one that scheduled her trips out of town when she knew Rex was getting restless. Yes, BTK's wife didn't know what he was up to either, but he wasn't bringing his victims home. I really hope I'm wrong and that Asa is a victim in this, too...for her kids' sake.
A sex worker said that Asa was part of the shenanigans going on at the house when she was there, and one of the girls that had gone was never seen again, and Asa was complaining about an iron being stolen or something ...
Both Manorville and Gilgo were good dumping spots because of their close proximity to the highway. Manorville was just off the Long Island Expressway exit ramp. Gilgo on Ocean Parkway which let me add is pitch black at night and dead as heck. You can also see cars coming from very far away from either direction.
Excellent - but why is Shannon Gilbert being left behind in this investigation?! She called 911, this could have solved!
Thanks!
I can imagine the fear these dear girls were going thru at the time of their murder,my heart brakes for them!
I think a lot of people will pass up their story because their lifestyle is looked upon negatively. They're still human beings and deserve justice. I've read comments where people say they deserve what they get. I'm not their judge.
This guy is like a giant and I can imagine the fear they went through. They need justice. I wonder if neighbors, work colleagues, friends or family ever considered he could do something so evil and grotesque???? Do this stuff at home? It's mind blowing.
Thanks Nick
I love how wife 1 knew he was committing infidelity but wife 2 can’t contemplate he’s capable of such crimes yet “we,” who suspect asa is lying about her knowledge, are the ones who should feel shame? Nope. No shame at all. She knew. She knew what he was into.
I thought he’d do these murders in his home so he was comfortable and in control, and I don’t believe Asa was involved
I agree with both things.
Looking forward for your deep dive into this psychopath! I’ve been going back and watching your original videos on Rex. “Taunting, Extreme Depravity” video, is spot on!
Awesome, thank you!
Brilliant? After the fact . Ask shannon how brilliant the cops are
You're right, it is brilliant after the fact, but better brilliant late than never.
The level of detail of evidence digital forensics can achieve more than 2 decades later is astounding. A delegated search of an article, a phone call detailed after 21 years…wow.
He really is a sick son of a gun. So glad he will remain behind bars for good
I don't think most people think Asa was an actual accomplice. Just how did she not know something fishy was going on. He would clean the bodies inside and out. He apparently hung them up and tortured them. There must have been blood. Lots of washing up. Lots of equipment. It's reasonable to wonder how other people in the house, even if they were not home at the exact time, didn't know , or suspect something.
But it's possible.
And THAT part is very interesting to me. Is it simply denial? What psychological mechanism is at work there?
. Just how did she not know something fishy was going on.>>>To be fair, neither did law enforcement for a good long while.
True. But the law wasn't living with rex. I'm not dissing on Asa. And I'm not saying she definitely knew or suspected. I just read the account by the police chief when he told her what rex was charged with. He said she was genuinely, completely, horrifically devastated and in total shock. Which lead the police to believe she really had NO idea whatsoever. The poor lady...I can't imagine..
I am not going to blame his family. I have a hunch he was brutal to live with.
I love it! Rex Heuermann no doubt thought he had covered all his bases, but he was wrong. Dead wrong.
Yes. DNA evidence, cell phone location evidence
I wouldn't count the wife Asa out as a conspirator after the fact, just because she conveniently went out of town at multiple times when he would have disposed of the murdered victims, doesn't mean she had no knowledge of the murders or suspicions something is going on in such a small house of horrors!
One sex worker has said Asa was around when she went to the house, and accused some one of stealing, an escort never seen again...
I Agee with you. The first break in the case was good old fashioned police work, where a female detective noticed that the car was seen at various locations. This isn't AI. This is old fashioned gumshoe work. (Son of Sam caught due to a parking ticket).
My question is: how does someone get so twisted? It's beyond anger and over kill.
And again: why buy that house from your mother and never move away and start an adult life. Where there already bodies there? Did his dad have bodies there? Is this the furniture making he's preserving in that ramshackle house? I'd use that to rattle his cage.
good questions
Omg this is horrifying 😢😱🤢
Yeah right, if it wasn't for that lawyer, the cops wouldn't have done anything. Period.
What a horrifying discover he/her found whilst walking their dog 😮
The Planning Document is chilling, and seems to have been compiled and perfected as he gained experience. It makes more sense to me, he killed off site and then brought the bodies back to the house. Less disturbance around the neighbourhood and where he would have privacy and time. Looking forward, sort of, to your breakdown of the Document. I'm only reluctant because its contents is truely horrifying.
Watching Chad's case, I thought nothing would shock me anymore. Wrong, I am shocked!!
It is awful to think what the victims went through 😢
So brutal this guy. He apprehended Jessica on night of July 21 and then body dropped at eastern LI site on night of July 25. So he had Jessica for 4 days in his house. And his serial killer document mentioned hanging, torture …. and getting proper sleep so better for “playing”. So probably Jessica hanging alive from the basement ceiling for the 4 days undergoing horrific living torture and dismemberment. This woman did nothing to him. One of the worst humans ever to walk on earth. Where could this come from?
Inability to self regulate emotional distress plays a part.
Wonder how many more victims there are?
Definitely. That's how they connected him with the pizza box.
Brilliant introduction. Could just watch it alone
yes indeed.
The bed of an Avalanche can be accessed from inside the cab of the truck. Ugh.
Hes got other dumping grounds his body count is likely 20-30 imo. Asa is cleared for now but theres really no guaranteeing until all bodies are found. Its weird that she divorced him but remains in denial of his guilt.
Is the young Asian male included?
Did Silence of the Lambs spark him off? Released 1991 ? How to make the killing of his "lambs" silent?
Interesting observation. It could certainly have been his first introduction to John Douglas.
I'm going to sound terribly unsophisticated and simplistic, Nick. This case is like a deck of cards: it has different suits and many cards in each suit. It's not only a DNA case, but a case of compounded evidence, the most important of which is Hueremann's own documentation of the atrocities perpetrated against vulnerable human beings.
EXACLTY! The wife's hair could be on (some) of the victims from transfer in the home. It does NOT prove the wife participated or was there when the crimes occurred. The lawyer who is saying she clarely participated because her hairs were found on (some) of the victimes should be ashamed of himself.
Suspect’s wife is a former nurse… surgical drape.. 28:40
The 1st serial killer with a documentary plan. He made a written plan to remove evidence except the document itself outlined a specific kill.
At the end you insinuate that we know his first crime was in 1993....I'm not so sure
Great questions, 'What set him off'. Pleeeeese check out Nathan Adams on RUclips who has been investigating LISK for 13 years and has some INCREDIBLE info on his family ties and suddenly, the 'tentacles' that one suspects with Rex and the police re sex parties etc, start becoming clearer. Who is the REAL WH on the belt buckle and why did RH have it (or did he have a family member involved?). Honestly Nathan will give the pieces we aren't seeing and will help when developing a psychological picture as he goes back years into his past. Fascinatingly awful. This guy has done many, many more murders. Thank the lord they got him...
thank you, Shannon Gilbert's death makes me feel there is a ring, a cover up, and the old LE guy .... will check out Nathan. I feel there are caches all over, but Atlantic City comes to mind as one large area,
Simply horrifying
Shrekx Heuermann...
Of course he had a planning document! He is an architect!
What triggered his m urder spree you ask? I’ll take a guess that it has something to do with being rejected by a female. Or just infuriated by one.
Look back into his family, nothing to do with being rejected, monsters going back a long way..Monsters, evil seeds
Wonder about relationship with mother
@@MariaCourtney-mp1wi I agree, psychopathology is 50% hereditary. I respectfully disagree that being a psychopath triggered his horrific crimes. The question posed at the close of the video was, what got him started with his first crime?
It's often a violent and or absent father and an inappropriately enmeshed mother.
And also wanting to be the best at something.
It will be based on computer/ cell phone AND DNA
omg, Heuermann's spelling of words is ATTROCIOUS!
It was great police detective work, and DNA together. Better late than never. 😔
When resources and attention is put to play, I doubt there's a better team anywhere as there is in New York.
Or that it all happened real quick as soon as they allowed the FBI to work with them
The police have been amazing. Bit long jn getting there , but I’m sure all that will b looked at. Last chief of police !
Forensics are fabulous too also public and victims family. Just great it’s all coming together. This guy is awful , look forward to hearing about his past , as a kid in that mental looking house.
Good effort Nik. Your reporting and digging is tcrs ❤
This is the bogyman that they told us about
Pa-kip-si
Oh MY word! Will you write a book about this case?
Probably not.
I would say that the DNA is the icing on the proverbial cake.
Lucky for us that Rex only tried to "delete" his searches and files rather than burn them up in some thermite (recover that data).
can you report on Dr Michael Mosley missing
I have heard about it. Unfortunately right now I feel my plate is kinda full.
Mother's rejection/abandonment, whether actual or perceived is usually what causes such violent hatred of women.
Perhaps but not necessarily, sometimes it’s over-closeness and enmeshment
Well…if he can’t even let go of his mother’s house, then when did his mother die?! That could very well be a catalyst and what the hell did she do to him is what I’d like to know!
His mother is still alive as far as I know.
@@SamStone1964Is she still living in Virginia? He mentioned that in one of his numerous past lawsuits that he frequently visited her there.
99.97% match
So, if there were 1000 people, the DNA would match 3 people?
Or am i being dumb?
Nick, what makes a mind go down into this darkness?
Humiliation and social death.
It’s pronounced “Pokipsie” Iroquois for place on the river.
‘Poo Keep See” or “Pooh Keep Sea “
You have also over looked that when he purchased a different Avalanche, he gave/sent the other one to his brother in the Carolina’s to be placed behind a private gated property where knowone would see it.
I bet the computers found will have tons of information videos and photos of his victims. I bet he has many more victims still to be discovered. I don’t know how his oblivious wife can ignore the evidence at this point.
I think they should be talking to the brother. This behavior goes way back. What do you think a realistic body account would be for Rex. I am thinking no less than 50
His brother is a bad seed as well. His sisters and step siblings may have some insight.
@SamStone1964 also research Asa and her sister! Very dark stuff
Such as???
It's consensual conversation unless they get probable cause for a warrant. I'm sure LE are looking for anything they can use, probably have him under surveillance at least.
What caused him to do this was bullying. He was pushed past his limit. Now he's too big to bully so he became the bully.
I'm hoping LE is checking every property he has now...and has had. Also every possible storage unit. No way did he stop at 6. Imo, decades of victims=double digits.
Poughkeepsie is pronounced "Paw-kip-see" if that helps
Poo kip see
@@Susan-lf2hl Poo-Kip’-See. This is also the way I pronounce it but I’m just a Jersey girl lol.
@@lisasmith7066 Upstate New York, so you are more qualified to answer that
Poe kip see
Can you imagine the persons face when they located the documents 🫨