About the Juice infodump at the end- he’s actually answering a list of questions Nine had near the beginning of the story but got ignored. Personally I like how the characters sometimes get into long interrupt-y rants about stuff. It feels realistic to me.
ditto. i thought this was bois. was about to leave . while i wrote this comment, i kept listening and stuck with it. there are a lot of 'I"s in this comment sorry.
*SPOILER WARNING, I GUESS* As to your issue with juice's lightning round at the end, the questions he answers are all off of a list of questions nine had earlier in the story. I'm not gonna say it completely excuses it, but it shows at least a little forethought.
I feel like, its less about them being disappointed in immortality and more trying to deal with the self awareness. I feel like in 15k years we could find a better outlook on life than what these people achieved. The real problem, from a day to day happiness perspective is that there are no more children, and so there are no new and strange perspectives.
the World of 17776 is painting an evocative picture but not a believable one. people change, grow, learn. most egriguous and so painfully obvious to pander to us is the conscious choice of literally everyone in 8 billion people to say, yep, dont want hypertech, AI kids or be the first to person to stand under an alien sky. wanna live in shitty 21th century with silverados and stupid uninsulated brick buildings that we preserved 15000 years. basically, there were plenty of solutions for all their problems, but that wouldnt fit the mood Bois wanted.
@@SteveAkaDarktimes i feel like bois was working within the confines of what the present age accepts as technologically given and what he could reasonably handle within the scope of the story, and perhaps not far in the future this story's going to seem dated, but in a world where ebooks and physical books still coexist, where the speed of light is currently understood to be a hard cap on physical travel, and where I can currently live in a house with no air conditioning on a 90 degree day and simply think "eh, maybe I should move my laptop downstairs", I would not assume that the MAJORITY of people would want to go to mars. the people in bois's story HAVE solved all of their problems. not being able to go to space is not a problem when your sun will never die and your earth will be beneath you forever and you will never die no matter what happens.
The beginning gif tripped me up so much while reading cuz i thought it was like. a blurry gif of a weird guy waving his hand around in front of the camera. and then i realized it was a fucking _tornado_
I read through the first 6 chapters before watching the video. I really liked it :D Very Homestuck-like indeed. I love when people play with the most fun and absurd possibilities of simple hypothetical scenarios.
I'm in a discord server that got its roots in Homestuck. The problem is I keep linking it but none of them are into sports so they keep ignoring it. smh
Better finish it now if you havn't yet. 20020 is out and it's amazing! I can't even express one of the best chapters without spoilers, but JUICE and Nine are announcers for a unpresidented football game.
I understood the World of 17776 as a stopped world. as the end said: the world ended, the clocks at zero. now we hang out forever and ever. the Horror of 17776 is that there's no curiosity, no risk, no stakes, no meaning, no objective. no growth, no innovation, no children. no new people, ever. its not the sadness of living forever, its the crushing weight of looking forwards and seeing the same god damn vapid day, the same people and meaningless distractions for millions upon millions of years. I honestly disagree with the humanity depicted in the story. I disagree that we all would just get tired and give up, or insist on living on stupid 21th century tech level. Its satire. its painting an evocative picture but not a believable one. make children clones! make some AI robots! uplift dolphins! fuck around with Dyson spheres! but then the story wouldn't be about existentialist football, wouldn't it?
Someone might have already said this but on Chapter 25, when JUICE went on a rant and answered a bunch of questions, it was answering 9's questions that she had in the middle of the story.
I see a few other's have said this already but at 14:55 you complain about the info dumb at the end, thats not random. They thought 9's battery would last longer and they would have more time so in a minute juice tried to answer all of 9's questions before they had to go to sleep.
BEN THANK YOU, I just finished reading it (I started after you asked for the people watching to read at least the first chapter) and it was fucking amazing, like holy fuck, I just wanted to thank you for making this video and allowing me to know that this story existed so I could have one of the greatest evenings of my life
I would love a new series of videos based entirely around random awesome shit Ben Saint finds on the internet. I know this was recommended by a twitter follower, and I am in the negatives when it comes to caring about football, but this was extremely interesting to listen to.
I had a similar reaction. There are issues to overcome with living this long, but they are surmountable. The story even alluded to it. Human memory being what it is, you're likely to just forget a whole bunch of stuff that you experienced, so it becomes available again just like new. Just finished the last novel on Earth? Start over. But this story is way more philosophical than I ever would have expected from the sports blog, and it rocked!
i remember reading infinite jest but i have no memory of what i actually read sounds like you got the full experience by being sort of pranked by your expectations
literally had to pause and shut your mouth, then watch the entirety of it before coming back. So far my review "I have never been so close to tears from text" but do go on, sir.
i appreciate pronouncing my dumbass twitter handle at the time accurately, especially after pronouncing it as my youtube handle actually was at the time. comedy gold
I went to this video because I started reading it and the letters got bigger and for some reason it made the reading voice in my head get louder and it scared me. Not joking
I clapped when you said Homestuck. But srsly this looks great, after reading the first chapter and then watching this video, I am very interested in what comes next.
I you lived forever than you could still have a perpetual horrible experience. Nothing says that it needs to get better if something happens to you. You could very well be miseralbe forever... and ever... and ever.
That's not evidence of anything. Nature is full of evolutionary misfires that have stayed even for a long time in different species, because there was no reason to get rid of them. If anything, the only reason for mortality is that there is no reason for immortality, and any evolutionary reasons against it, such as genetical stagnation, are, as you said, purely theoretical and unconfirmed. Other animals don't need any motivation; they are simply programmed and will continue doing what they're doing, but a man, as a being of culture, can have hundreds of reasons to motivate himself, and seldom is it death, since its rarely on the mind of young people for example. I know I am ranting on the wrong channel here, but existence is precious, the privilege of being makes a strong case and I would rather spent eternity in hell than become void.
@Zac sesz that's the point the story wants to make, humans are creatures of play. without any other aspirations, all they will do is find a way to pass the time. it's a look into why humans play sports
It's my opinion that the difference between life and death is merely nominal and artificial, and the process is actually rather beautiful. I don't expect many people to have made the same peace I've made with death, but since i have a lot of my anxiety has faded away
Yeah your very right about the ending being rushed and not complete really. Its like he could go back and write more, especially if he got a book deal out of this, I hope he does. I bet he never even tried to, but I think it really would get a deal to complete this and make it into a whole story., Also this is very next level in that its a step beyond being a book, and almost is a computer screen book/ipad book, ya know where it requires a computer screen and is a little interactive in that way, though its still really just a book. I wonder how its would be if he made it into a video.... with a narrator reeading the text and video going on in the background, could be amazing.' I only found this cause of your reccomendation, and i loved it!
you remin me a web comic called "romantically apocalyptic" take a look ... well almost all the objects (i mean almost all of em) are alive ... it's kinda crazy
Thanks for making this, Ben. I'm around six chapters in, and the story is very interesting. If the idea of living forever fascinates you as much as you claim it does, I suggest you read Closer by Greg Egan. It deals with that topic compounded with love. I won't spoil much for you, but I think the main character's thoughts on love and truly "knowing" someone are thoughts every human being in love has had. I dunno, give it a read if you get the chance. eidolon.net/?story=Closer
You broke your own point, you said that you would love to live forever, but then later in the video you mentioned that the reason you liked this story is that you hadnt seen something like it before. If you live forever, eventually, you will see everyrhing humanity has to offer and then get bored inevitiably
Maybe not if you learn to take it in controlled doses like eddie krueger or just go zen master watching law and order forever like one of Nancy's in-story friends.
About the Juice infodump at the end- he’s actually answering a list of questions Nine had near the beginning of the story but got ignored. Personally I like how the characters sometimes get into long interrupt-y rants about stuff. It feels realistic to me.
Its so wierd how you discovered 17776, then SB Nation, then Jon Bois. I did the opposite.
lazarbro I discovered it the same way he did
ditto. i thought this was bois. was about to leave . while i wrote this comment, i kept listening and stuck with it. there are a lot of 'I"s in this comment sorry.
4:35 never mind i'm leaving
Just heard about 17776, I first ran into SB Nation / Jon Bois via The Bob Emergency. Watched every Chart Party and Pretty Good.
For me it was SB Nation, then Jon Bois, then 17776
*SPOILER WARNING, I GUESS*
As to your issue with juice's lightning round at the end, the questions he answers are all off of a list of questions nine had earlier in the story. I'm not gonna say it completely excuses it, but it shows at least a little forethought.
nalceD1 I was gonna post this same thing myself. Glad to know someone else is on the same page :D
i read this a long time ago and i always just thought it was a weird dream and i looked it up today and its real
Jon Bois is a god.
Well, probably not, but he is quite entertaining.
you mean ... pretty good
He has a perfect body.
*Probably*
I feel like, its less about them being disappointed in immortality and more trying to deal with the self awareness. I feel like in 15k years we could find a better outlook on life than what these people achieved. The real problem, from a day to day happiness perspective is that there are no more children, and so there are no new and strange perspectives.
the World of 17776 is painting an evocative picture but not a believable one. people change, grow, learn. most egriguous and so painfully obvious to pander to us is the conscious choice of literally everyone in 8 billion people to say, yep, dont want hypertech, AI kids or be the first to person to stand under an alien sky. wanna live in shitty 21th century with silverados and stupid uninsulated brick buildings that we preserved 15000 years. basically, there were plenty of solutions for all their problems, but that wouldnt fit the mood Bois wanted.
@@SteveAkaDarktimes i feel like bois was working within the confines of what the present age accepts as technologically given and what he could reasonably handle within the scope of the story, and perhaps not far in the future this story's going to seem dated, but in a world where ebooks and physical books still coexist, where the speed of light is currently understood to be a hard cap on physical travel, and where I can currently live in a house with no air conditioning on a 90 degree day and simply think "eh, maybe I should move my laptop downstairs", I would not assume that the MAJORITY of people would want to go to mars. the people in bois's story HAVE solved all of their problems. not being able to go to space is not a problem when your sun will never die and your earth will be beneath you forever and you will never die no matter what happens.
Fans might be interested in Don Hertzfeldt's "Everything Will be Ok" trilogy
It's called "it's such a beautiful day"
And yes it's amazing
The beginning gif tripped me up so much while reading cuz i thought it was like. a blurry gif of a weird guy waving his hand around in front of the camera. and then i realized it was a fucking _tornado_
The idea that Christian missionaries still exist in the setting of this story tickles me very deeply.
Hi Ben, I'd totally recommend his episode about the NCAA Troy State vs DeVry 258 - 141 game. The storytelling and music is great
Something is terribly wrong.
I read through the first 6 chapters before watching the video. I really liked it :D Very Homestuck-like indeed. I love when people play with the most fun and absurd possibilities of simple hypothetical scenarios.
I'm in a discord server that got its roots in Homestuck. The problem is I keep linking it but none of them are into sports so they keep ignoring it. smh
Yo there's a sequel. 20020
ruclips.net/video/C1JNQKNAvNY/видео.html
I don't want to finish it but 17776 will stay with me forever
Better finish it now if you havn't yet. 20020 is out and it's amazing! I can't even express one of the best chapters without spoilers, but JUICE and Nine are announcers for a unpresidented football game.
I understood the World of 17776 as a stopped world. as the end said: the world ended, the clocks at zero. now we hang out forever and ever. the Horror of 17776 is that there's no curiosity, no risk, no stakes, no meaning, no objective. no growth, no innovation, no children. no new people, ever. its not the sadness of living forever, its the crushing weight of looking forwards and seeing the same god damn vapid day, the same people and meaningless distractions for millions upon millions of years. I honestly disagree with the humanity depicted in the story. I disagree that we all would just get tired and give up, or insist on living on stupid 21th century tech level. Its satire. its painting an evocative picture but not a believable one. make children clones! make some AI robots! uplift dolphins! fuck around with Dyson spheres! but then the story wouldn't be about existentialist football, wouldn't it?
WTF, I love football now?
Right? I suddenly like football a whole lot more simply for it making me think about 17776! Awesome
Someone might have already said this but on Chapter 25, when JUICE went on a rant and answered a bunch of questions, it was answering 9's questions that she had in the middle of the story.
My god, that tea sounds fucking delicious.
Better get some chicken with that tea
John Madden, John Madden, John Madden, Football.
I see a few other's have said this already but at 14:55 you complain about the info dumb at the end, thats not random. They thought 9's battery would last longer and they would have more time so in a minute juice tried to answer all of 9's questions before they had to go to sleep.
I read a bit at the before watching like you recommended and then I couldn't stop reading and I finished it before I watched this video. What a good
I was not familiar with this despite having enjoyed Jon Bois' content for a couple years now, the way it began real talk scared the shit outta me lol
BEN THANK YOU, I just finished reading it (I started after you asked for the people watching to read at least the first chapter) and it was fucking amazing, like holy fuck, I just wanted to thank you for making this video and allowing me to know that this story existed so I could have one of the greatest evenings of my life
Watching someone discover Jon Bois is amazing
I would love a new series of videos based entirely around random awesome shit Ben Saint finds on the internet. I know this was recommended by a twitter follower, and I am in the negatives when it comes to caring about football, but this was extremely interesting to listen to.
I JUST FINISHED READING IT AND I NEED MORE
I have good news
@@angicola4910 oh god i completely forgot about all this
@@heliusuniverse7460 jon bois just wrote a sequel
Only like a week then the sequel Is done
@@heliusuniverse7460 dude he wrote a sequel called "200020
wtf I respect Ben Saint now?
I had a similar reaction. There are issues to overcome with living this long, but they are surmountable. The story even alluded to it. Human memory being what it is, you're likely to just forget a whole bunch of stuff that you experienced, so it becomes available again just like new. Just finished the last novel on Earth? Start over. But this story is way more philosophical than I ever would have expected from the sports blog, and it rocked!
You neglected to mention that humanity is more bummed out over the loss of children
it's been years since this, thanks forgetting me hooked on Jon Bois.
What is Infinite Jazz? Can I have some link to it?
It’s actually Infinite Jest, a book by David Wallace Foster
i remember reading infinite jest but i have no memory of what i actually read
sounds like you got the full experience by being sort of pranked by your expectations
literally had to pause and shut your mouth, then watch the entirety of it before coming back. So far my review "I have never been so close to tears from text" but do go on, sir.
i appreciate pronouncing my dumbass twitter handle at the time accurately, especially after pronouncing it as my youtube handle actually was at the time. comedy gold
I went to this video because I started reading it and the letters got bigger and for some reason it made the reading voice in my head get louder and it scared me. Not joking
I clapped when you said Homestuck.
But srsly this looks great, after reading the first chapter and then watching this video, I am very interested in what comes next.
>I CLAPPED BECAUSE I KNOW HOMESTUCK!
>I KNOW WHAT THAT IS
>IT BROKE NEW GROUND
>THINGS I KNOW!
You should read the sythe trilogy. It's a good story with the whole defeat of death thing it's pretty interesting
I love that series!
Ben you're my favorite internet man
Isn't this just brockian ultra-cricket?
welcome back yalllllll
I you lived forever than you could still have a perpetual horrible experience. Nothing says that it needs to get better if something happens to you. You could very well be miseralbe forever... and ever... and ever.
But what if I like being miserable? What if I like pain? It's a developed taste my friend.
That's not evidence of anything. Nature is full of evolutionary misfires that have stayed even for a long time in different species, because there was no reason to get rid of them. If anything, the only reason for mortality is that there is no reason for immortality, and any evolutionary reasons against it, such as genetical stagnation, are, as you said, purely theoretical and unconfirmed. Other animals don't need any motivation; they are simply programmed and will continue doing what they're doing, but a man, as a being of culture, can have hundreds of reasons to motivate himself, and seldom is it death, since its rarely on the mind of young people for example. I know I am ranting on the wrong channel here, but existence is precious, the privilege of being makes a strong case and I would rather spent eternity in hell than become void.
@Zac sesz that's the point the story wants to make, humans are creatures of play. without any other aspirations, all they will do is find a way to pass the time. it's a look into why humans play sports
You gave a good overview. I'm happy someone mentioned Bois' RUclips work on here! :) Have you read _The Tim Tebow CFL Chronicles_ yet?
Time to put another thing on my media watch list. Thanks Ben and Toni.
It's my opinion that the difference between life and death is merely nominal and artificial, and the process is actually rather beautiful. I don't expect many people to have made the same peace I've made with death, but since i have a lot of my anxiety has faded away
Yeah your very right about the ending being rushed and not complete really. Its like he could go back and write more, especially if he got a book deal out of this, I hope he does. I bet he never even tried to, but I think it really would get a deal to complete this and make it into a whole story.,
Also this is very next level in that its a step beyond being a book, and almost is a computer screen book/ipad book, ya know where it requires a computer screen and is a little interactive in that way, though its still really just a book.
I wonder how its would be if he made it into a video.... with a narrator reeading the text and video going on in the background, could be amazing.'
I only found this cause of your reccomendation, and i loved it!
I love the characters so so much
Waiting for 20021
That was surreal, and I only read the first chapter, I have no idea how is this going to end.
It feels kinda unfinished at the end. I'm ready for the sequel coming out in a few months.
It couldn't have been anything other than unfinished, that's the point.
why was this video recommended to me 3(000) years after posting, and what the fuck have you just directed me to. I love it
you remin me a web comic called "romantically apocalyptic" take a look ... well almost all the objects (i mean almost all of em) are alive ... it's kinda crazy
Odd visuals at the start, what are they?
A thunderstorm and tornado that’s currently sucking up a football player
I thought it was utopian But maybe because i read the last 2 first
id say its mehtopian
Wait isn’t that a hardcore hentai?
Thanks for making this, Ben. I'm around six chapters in, and the story is very interesting.
If the idea of living forever fascinates you as much as you claim it does, I suggest you read Closer by Greg Egan. It deals with that topic compounded with love. I won't spoil much for you, but I think the main character's thoughts on love and truly "knowing" someone are thoughts every human being in love has had. I dunno, give it a read if you get the chance.
eidolon.net/?story=Closer
Jon Bois pretty good?
You broke your own point, you said that you would love to live forever, but then later in the video you mentioned that the reason you liked this story is that you hadnt seen something like it before. If you live forever, eventually, you will see everyrhing humanity has to offer and then get bored inevitiably
Maybe not if you learn to take it in controlled doses like eddie krueger or just go zen master watching law and order forever like one of Nancy's in-story friends.
the panning of google earth seem to be really nauseating, or is it just me?
I thought this was going to be a hentai review but it was something much better
Cool
im 2 minutes in...so it's a rip off of the glass bead game?
Meh, lost interest after reading what was really going on. I guess that I don't care about such alien topics as immortality and such.
v
homestuck is pretty good when?
So it's basically Homestuck, without the bits that made Homestuck shit
Like the cancerous fandom..
Give it a bit. I predict the cancerous fandom will come.
hi i'm from the future, it didn't
Or the bookstopper length
Which is why I read Puzzle Sleuth
I thought you were talking about 177013
who? lmao
Same lmao