@@fredsmith-kingofthelunatic7810 yep, people in this country can't take grounded, sober analysis. They are more attracted to political double speak or emotionalism which appeals to their base instincts.
I'm from Sydney, and I felt exactly the same as Will Self before 2000. A lot of it proved to be true. The development was a white elephant and the money would've been better spent on vital economic infrastructure. There was a mini recession in Sydney after the games. But it was all worth it. The way it brought everyone in the city together and made us feel good. It was a two week party, which doesn't make a lot of sense under sober analysis, but had an intangible benefit that was worthwhile.
The Olympics were a glittering monument to great athleticism and sporting drama. The Opening and Closing Ceremonies were a tip of the hat British culture and society. Nowhere in it was a solution to any issues. Now that the tournament is over, Britain's tourist industry has had a boost, things will return to a status quo of an underclass, working class, middle class, and upper class. I watched the Olympics and enjoyed them, but they could've happened anywhere for the sport to be good.
As someone who worked at Olympic Park in security, two facts we were privy to:- 1. Approx 15,000 empty seats at opening ceremony,... good editing BBC 2. The Olympic stadium had a 230% increase in disabled 'seats' for Paralympics, from 150 to 500 (80,000 capacity),....wow their cup overflowth
I also worked at the Olympic park and can fully say you're bullshitting on the opening ceremony. The only empty seats were intentionally left empty because of the stage blocking it. Don't spread lies, and don't work for something you hate.
This is a few days late, but I would just like to say, that in retrospect, it has been a pleasure to discuss a loaded subject with someone coherent and reasonable.
MIGHT? Something we didn't ask for, something we were never consulted about MIGHT work after all if we just keep quiet about its problems and keep the faith with the plan we were never involved with. Why doesn't that make me feel reassured?
I enjoyed reading Will Self when I was in my teens and hadn't read much - especially the dirty bits of his books. However, I realised over time that he doesn't have much talent as a writer - he's just an amusing hack, and I bet he realises this deep down. HOWEVER - he is one hell of a TV debater. Everything he says here is spot on, and he knows his facts much better than Tessa Jowell does. Totally wipes the floor with her here.
Competitive Sport is part of western culture. Ethical tenets of sport include fair play, courtesy toward teammates and opponents, high standards of behaviour, integrity, and grace in victory or defeat. We respect your culture and would never claim it caused 'massive offence', please respect ours.
Here he is wittering on nearly a year ago but despite all his blustering today's Olympic onset is proving magnificent. Now it's Jubilee time he can have a go at the Queen, Will - oh I see he already has: Google ''I'm not toasting [insert head-of-state here]' Was it huff and puff that blew his house down?
A catchphrase is an efficient way of quickly stating and introducing your case to the public. If there is already a logical fallacy in the introduction of an idea or argument, most people will write it off as nonsense before you can explain it. Furthermore, needing to explain the catchphrase will mean you are constantly on the defencive, rather than proceeding to argue the points you set out to make.
It reminds me of when I was in primary school and we had a special assembly to tell us that we'd all soon be joined by a disabled pupil, but that we shouldn't treat him any differently etc., and I remember even then being aware of the paradox of that meeting. Yes, we should just group athetics together I reckon. Disabled athletes are either athletes or they're not. 'Paralympics' seems a little patronising, like we're letting them 'have a go' after the party's over.
@TheTomtuffy Food and drink & accomodation won't scratch the surface of the costs alone, but there are so many other areas where revenue will be increased and indirect costs reduced. In Sydney, tourism revenue was up £6 billion in the year after the olympics compare with the year before. These are figures that will help the whole of Britain. You need to invest in sports, arts and architecture every so often to keep tourism high and our relative tourism revenue has been dropping for years!
You are not referring to what I am referring. I have not sourced anything from the BNP website. I am referring to a report about stranger rapes in Oslo in a single year reported directly by the Oslo police not some academic report about all rapes across several years.
They are always on about "changing attitudes". Always. Its never ending. Just when you thought it was safe to just do something because you wanted to, along comes a cosy little phrase to remind you of the sickly sweet moralistic vibe that hunts everyone down in society like some rabid fox chasing a wounded cat, which in fact is a subtle reminder that our thoughts are not ours, but theirs. The reality is that most disabled people are not athletes and don't feel any affiliation with Paralympics.
I Love Will Self...he doesn`t care what people think about himself, he just talks abjectly and honestly about topics...it`s a shame that our Politicians can`t do the same..Call him left wing, who cares, the guy makes sense of a corrupt system.
You will see Pakistani doctors living in the middle class ethnic suburb, there are two areas near me where the majority of the people are ethnic minorities but who are all professionals or rich businessmen. They are very nice areas, big expensive houses, nice schools, but the people are Pakistani, Indian, Persian, Jewish, Turkish etc. I correct errors when I see them, it is a good test of character to see how people respond.
(on the shopping centre as part of the sustainable olympic legacy) Government investment in retail is such a red herring, it is an industry that should not and does not need government investment; it grows naturally as a result of a healthy economy. Investments should be made in manufacturing, science and technology in order to generate new jobs. Tessa Jowel is just another example of politicians blinded by corporate glitz.
The middle Saturday with gold medals for Jessica Ennis, Mo Farah, and Greg Rutherford, you can't get much more of a Wimbledon effect than that. Less than a year later the athletic club in Sheffield where Ennis trained had its funding cut and was closed. Zero legacy, there is almost no political interest in this country to get people active.
So you won't even try. No, it would not be right to remove somebody from campus for being a racist. Everybody gets called a racist by somebody these days and even racists deserve the right to study and yes, even to teach.
I do try to see politicians as normal people, I really do but sometimes they don't make that easy. It's as if they get a mindwipe after crossing the threshold of the Houses of Parliament.
part of the legacy is that they have ruined local grasslands and green areas. They are now left barren and desolate (as reported in the current issue of Private Eye). The locals had assurances that this would not happen. They were lied to.
I keep an open mind and, as a general rule, take any reports in the press lightly. I also pay close attention to any studies, surveys, statistics etc etc as they are often linked to political parties and organizations with their own agenda's rather than being independent. My ideology is malleable - I have core beliefs on how I think people should be treated and how I live my life accordingly but I have nothing to gain from these beliefs - as a result I question everything as much as possible.
The problem is that there was never any call for immigrants to come to Britain from the people of Britain. Never were they asked whether they would prefer higher wages or wages held down by a bunch of Indians and Pakistanis doing the work. Similarly the people were never asked whether they wanted their "betters" to stop capital punishment or corporal punishment or legalize sodomy. The people's interests have been betrayed by politicians who take them for granted and despise their opinions.
Can you direct me to the 'earlier' study please? Give me the author of the study, name of the study, etc etc,I'd like to see the figures an research please. Couldn't find the Malmo Police Figures anywhere except a vague reference except on wikipedia - just so you know wikipedia is not scientific literature, it can be edited by anybody and as such should not be referenced
I think elite sport is a value for money thing. It brings a lot of pleasure to a lot of people. The world "legacy" is just a cover word for a million things which could - possibly - be the aftermath of a big event. Even the suicide rare dropped after England won the WC in 1966.
Yes it has. My mind considers many things, nothing is off limits which makes me feel uneasy when I think about it. Gang rape is thankfully rare, it is very rare indeed in homogeneous societies. It is most common in times of ethnic conflict when it is used as a means of showing the dominance of one group over another rather than anything to do with sex.
Will Self makes some good points here but Tessa Jowell, like any politician, slips away from them by making statements related to his without specifically answering them. This gives the impression that she's addressed them when really she hasn't. Two examples are the points about Lord Coe and whether the stadiums are fit for use after the olympics.
No, I refuse to play the game. I don't accept that "sources or you're a liar and I win!" is a legitimate debate tactic. It is a way to get your opponents to waste their time.
The more I hear and read Will Self (he writes for the NS and LRB and is often excellent), the more I find myself admiring his acuity of mind. Spot on - capital looks for things to do. Was Tessa Jowell or Patricia Hodge who made a speech at a City of London business dinner joking that mass immigration was good for Britain not least because it made finding affordable childcare far easier for the upper middle class. Which turd contained the sweetcorn? I forget.
@TomMackio That's true, but it's like when the fair comes to town. A lot of noise, and throwing money about and a week later nothing but a pile of litter. It will mainly improve the temporary lot for whomever gets the main contracts to provide services inside the Olympic village. The benefit is for a part of London, not Britain or the UK. When a country is overexcited about, and has to rely upon, tourism from extravaganzas you just know it's headed down the wrong path.
Very definately not the 'British Olympics', the work force was 20% management, foreign workers 70% and the remaining 10% British workers..thats why it came in under budget..............................Lord Coe and Co did very well out of it... We couldn't afford it then , and we cannot afford it now.
I think the volatility between different religions, rafes and creeds can be put down to a number of factors: actively trying to force ones own logic, ones own religious belief, ones own moral compass, whatever it may be, down other peoples throats. I think Christians and Muslims, from a religious perspective, are both as guilty as one another. If people quietly observe there own faith - as the vast majority in Britain do - then there is no problem.
Well the police report was commissioned by the Norweigan government, it gave clear statistics (which you have tried to use to support your own views) and clear guidance on the interpretation of the results. I trust a report from the Norweigan government over wikipeida personally... ..I never said Wikipedia is inherently wrong, but the fact that anybody can simply alter a page without so much as a shread of evidence to back up the change make wikipedia a poor choice to reference
Someone's tendency towards substance abuse, in past or present, has no bearing what-so-ever on their viability in discussion on any given subject. You're attempting to make an argument based on a prejudice you have, assumedly because you couldn't even begin to blurt out and argument to anything he has said. Provided you understood the argument in the first place of course.
I have never said everyone is the same and I hve not denied that there are conflicts and tensions. The tensions cannot be put down to race and race alone. Extremists, as part of any religion, are a problem and serve to only to divide people, extremists muslims are no better or worse than extremist Christians. I acknowledge the difference between people, I don't see the differences as being a inconquerable divide makine it inconceivable that another race may be a part of British society
Religion is like a classroom, a few students are very bright, very observant, these are the ones who become heads of state for certain religions. The vast majority of students vary to a greater or lesser degree in how bright they, how hard they study, but most of them sit somewhere in the middle (and we will say these are your classic church goers/worshippers at a mosque, etc). Then you have a couple of naughty kids - they are disruptive, don't listen, an wish disrupt the balance of the class.
I have had many friends who have been muslim, christian, buddhist, sikh, you name it - individually religion is rarely a problem, its the collective organisations with have an undue amount of influence and power which irks me. How can it be prevented? I do not know. As an ex-smoker I think smoking can be harmful to others around you, religion doesn't have to be, so I don't think it can be put in the same bracket.
Show me a link to these figures, show me who this has been published by, who conducted the study, who has came up with these figures - they sound like there from the Daily Mail to me but if they are from a genuine study group I will happily accept them. You cannot just spout these figures without pointing me in the direction of where they have come from so please enlighten me
When did I ever say that? I say other cultures, races and people are interesting - I never said 'more' interesting. In fact I made the point that I don't view any race or culture any more superior or inferior than any other, are you just making things up now?? I have also said that I don't think everyone is the same but that, as I don't see any race being inferior or superior, that those differences should not be a cause for conflict and hatred but for shared knowledge and acceptance.
everyones still waiting for the legacy
Still waiting (2019)
you not been to stratford Olympic park..?
@@chefblanc yes I would prefer if it was just a big public park
it is.
@@chefblanc without wet spam United and the turkey twizzler
will hit the nail on the head
Will Self is a force of brute truth. My hero!
And thus it came to pass
Will Self nails the whole thing in his first utterance, the rest is redundant.
Give him another 20 years, and he'll be a National Treasue
8 years later and he's still massively under appreciated.
@@fredsmith-kingofthelunatic7810 yep, people in this country can't take grounded, sober analysis. They are more attracted to political double speak or emotionalism which appeals to their base instincts.
WILL WAS SPOT ON WITH HIS COMMENTS ESPECIALLY THE 9 BILLION QUIP ABOUT CREATING JOBS
I'm from Sydney, and I felt exactly the same as Will Self before 2000. A lot of it proved to be true. The development was a white elephant and the money would've been better spent on vital economic infrastructure. There was a mini recession in Sydney after the games. But it was all worth it. The way it brought everyone in the city together and made us feel good. It was a two week party, which doesn't make a lot of sense under sober analysis, but had an intangible benefit that was worthwhile.
Thanks for uploading this - Will Self is brilliant!
Will Self is absolutely right. We're left with a shopping centre.
Will is cool and collected. His argument is researched and thought-out and also correct.
"Give me nine billion quid, I'll create more than 40,000 jobs." One of Will Self's better moments.
1:07 will self's face when shes describing what the olympics means. brilliant
That sneer! 😆
Strange, when blacks and gays and women achieve greatness those factors are always significant and a source of pride for unrelated strangers.
Will self really does cut through the crap. I like him...
:D
Finally you've finished with them, I've been waiting long enough
Will Self - tells it like it is - AWESOME
The Olympics were a glittering monument to great athleticism and sporting drama. The Opening and Closing Ceremonies were a tip of the hat British culture and society. Nowhere in it was a solution to any issues. Now that the tournament is over, Britain's tourist industry has had a boost, things will return to a status quo of an underclass, working class, middle class, and upper class. I watched the Olympics and enjoyed them, but they could've happened anywhere for the sport to be good.
He turned out to be completely correct didn’t he 😂😂😂
As someone who worked at Olympic Park in security, two facts we were privy to:-
1. Approx 15,000 empty seats at opening ceremony,... good editing BBC
2. The Olympic stadium had a 230% increase in disabled 'seats' for Paralympics, from 150 to 500 (80,000 capacity),....wow their cup overflowth
I also worked at the Olympic park and can fully say you're bullshitting on the opening ceremony. The only empty seats were intentionally left empty because of the stage blocking it. Don't spread lies, and don't work for something you hate.
The BBC didn't edit anything, it was live ffs. The international broadcasts also showed the same thing, which BBC did not have a hand in.
Will Self is brilliant.
6:48 - hilarious analogy. Will Self is spot on, Tessa Jowell looked very very bad in this interview , everything she said seemed to ring hollow
This is a few days late, but I would just like to say, that in retrospect, it has been a pleasure to discuss a loaded subject with someone coherent and reasonable.
If you haven't seen it, do check out Mark Perryman's 'Why the Olympics Aren't Good For Us'.
The fact that seats were empty does not imply that there were unsold tickets, just that not every seat was filled.
i love how vague the athlete woman was on everything. She was probably thinking "fuck this, imma sit this one out in the fence" lol
Tolerance is the most patronizing word. We don't want to be to be 'tolerated'!
MIGHT? Something we didn't ask for, something we were never consulted about MIGHT work after all if we just keep quiet about its problems and keep the faith with the plan we were never involved with. Why doesn't that make me feel reassured?
Well I feel he's made a very worthwhile contribution.
I enjoyed reading Will Self when I was in my teens and hadn't read much - especially the dirty bits of his books. However, I realised over time that he doesn't have much talent as a writer - he's just an amusing hack, and I bet he realises this deep down. HOWEVER - he is one hell of a TV debater. Everything he says here is spot on, and he knows his facts much better than Tessa Jowell does. Totally wipes the floor with her here.
Touché
I love the look of scorn on Will's face at 1:07 :)
Competitive Sport is part of western culture. Ethical tenets of sport include fair play, courtesy toward teammates and opponents, high standards of behaviour, integrity, and grace in victory or defeat. We respect your culture and would never claim it caused 'massive offence', please respect ours.
"Welcome to Newsnight ladies, allow me to introduce you to your executioner."
Will Self is such a joyless person.
Here he is wittering on nearly a year ago but despite all his blustering today's Olympic onset is proving magnificent.
Now it's Jubilee time he can have a go at the Queen, Will - oh I see he already has:
Google ''I'm not toasting [insert head-of-state here]'
Was it huff and puff that blew his house down?
Still waiting for the legacy (2024)
haha you can see paxman trying not to burst into laughter around 7 mins
A catchphrase is an efficient way of quickly stating and introducing your case to the public. If there is already a logical fallacy in the introduction of an idea or argument, most people will write it off as nonsense before you can explain it. Furthermore, needing to explain the catchphrase will mean you are constantly on the defencive, rather than proceeding to argue the points you set out to make.
It reminds me of when I was in primary school and we had a special assembly to tell us that we'd all soon be joined by a disabled pupil, but that we shouldn't treat him any differently etc., and I remember even then being aware of the paradox of that meeting. Yes, we should just group athetics together I reckon. Disabled athletes are either athletes or they're not. 'Paralympics' seems a little patronising, like we're letting them 'have a go' after the party's over.
@TheTomtuffy Food and drink & accomodation won't scratch the surface of the costs alone, but there are so many other areas where revenue will be increased and indirect costs reduced. In Sydney, tourism revenue was up £6 billion in the year after the olympics compare with the year before. These are figures that will help the whole of Britain. You need to invest in sports, arts and architecture every so often to keep tourism high and our relative tourism revenue has been dropping for years!
You are not referring to what I am referring. I have not sourced anything from the BNP website. I am referring to a report about stranger rapes in Oslo in a single year reported directly by the Oslo police not some academic report about all rapes across several years.
p.s. my grammatical errors are delibrerate now, but feel free to correct them to your hearts content
Will self , the victim….
They are always on about "changing attitudes". Always. Its never ending. Just when you thought it was safe to just do something because you wanted to, along comes a cosy little phrase to remind you of the sickly sweet moralistic vibe that hunts everyone down in society like some rabid fox chasing a wounded cat, which in fact is a subtle reminder that our thoughts are not ours, but theirs.
The reality is that most disabled people are not athletes and don't feel any affiliation with Paralympics.
The man has a witheringly good vocabulary.
Will Self is a fucking legend! Cuts through the bullshit like a razor...
I Love Will Self...he doesn`t care what people think about himself, he just talks abjectly and honestly about topics...it`s a shame that our Politicians can`t do the same..Call him left wing, who cares, the guy makes sense of a corrupt system.
You will see Pakistani doctors living in the middle class ethnic suburb, there are two areas near me where the majority of the people are ethnic minorities but who are all professionals or rich businessmen. They are very nice areas, big expensive houses, nice schools, but the people are Pakistani, Indian, Persian, Jewish, Turkish etc.
I correct errors when I see them, it is a good test of character to see how people respond.
yeah ok mate your clearly correct
Will Self is my hero
I like how she said 'the first sellout olympics', even though there was more empty seats than in Beijing or Athens.
(on the shopping centre as part of the sustainable olympic legacy) Government investment in retail is such a red herring, it is an industry that should not and does not need government investment; it grows naturally as a result of a healthy economy. Investments should be made in manufacturing, science and technology in order to generate new jobs. Tessa Jowel is just another example of politicians blinded by corporate glitz.
He speaks very highly of you.
Christ! Self face at 1:07 is easily the highlight for me. Shir Khan waiting to leap on the unsuspecting marmoset.
I wish Tessa Jowell would publicly disagree with me! Fantastic endorsement!
This is great - reckon Paxman and Self get on alright
@gravidplum The similarities are astonishing!
Give me a perfect analogy please, one which can't be objected to.
Paxman is loving it....
If I am the disgusting embarrassment in this debate then I think I might start to believe that the world is comig to an end this year
Will Self. Spot on!
You correct errors when you see them? That says more about your character than anybody elses
The middle Saturday with gold medals for Jessica Ennis, Mo Farah, and Greg Rutherford, you can't get much more of a Wimbledon effect than that. Less than a year later the athletic club in Sheffield where Ennis trained had its funding cut and was closed. Zero legacy, there is almost no political interest in this country to get people active.
So you won't even try.
No, it would not be right to remove somebody from campus for being a racist. Everybody gets called a racist by somebody these days and even racists deserve the right to study and yes, even to teach.
I do try to see politicians as normal people, I really do but sometimes they don't make that easy. It's as if they get a mindwipe after crossing the threshold of the Houses of Parliament.
What precedents are there for mixing different people?
part of the legacy is that they have ruined local grasslands and green areas. They are now left barren and desolate (as reported in the current issue of Private Eye). The locals had assurances that this would not happen. They were lied to.
I keep an open mind and, as a general rule, take any reports in the press lightly. I also pay close attention to any studies, surveys, statistics etc etc as they are often linked to political parties and organizations with their own agenda's rather than being independent. My ideology is malleable - I have core beliefs on how I think people should be treated and how I live my life accordingly but I have nothing to gain from these beliefs - as a result I question everything as much as possible.
This is the first comment I have seen from you and the only one I will read, you have spectacularly failed the test.
The problem is that there was never any call for immigrants to come to Britain from the people of Britain. Never were they asked whether they would prefer higher wages or wages held down by a bunch of Indians and Pakistanis doing the work. Similarly the people were never asked whether they wanted their "betters" to stop capital punishment or corporal punishment or legalize sodomy. The people's interests have been betrayed by politicians who take them for granted and despise their opinions.
Can you direct me to the 'earlier' study please? Give me the author of the study, name of the study, etc etc,I'd like to see the figures an research please. Couldn't find the Malmo Police Figures anywhere except a vague reference except on wikipedia - just so you know wikipedia is not scientific literature, it can be edited by anybody and as such should not be referenced
I think elite sport is a value for money thing. It brings a lot of pleasure to a lot of people. The world "legacy" is just a cover word for a million things which could - possibly - be the aftermath of a big event. Even the suicide rare dropped after England won the WC in 1966.
In all due respect 1966 was a loong time ago and the world let alone the UK was a very different place.
Yes it has. My mind considers many things, nothing is off limits which makes me feel uneasy when I think about it. Gang rape is thankfully rare, it is very rare indeed in homogeneous societies. It is most common in times of ethnic conflict when it is used as a means of showing the dominance of one group over another rather than anything to do with sex.
Will Self makes some good points here but Tessa Jowell, like any politician, slips away from them by making statements related to his without specifically answering them. This gives the impression that she's addressed them when really she hasn't. Two examples are the points about Lord Coe and whether the stadiums are fit for use after the olympics.
How much do you question when it suits your ideology not to question it?
Will you are so right...but, but, this has been the biggest circus between here and Alpha Centauri.
No, I refuse to play the game. I don't accept that "sources or you're a liar and I win!" is a legitimate debate tactic. It is a way to get your opponents to waste their time.
The more I hear and read Will Self (he writes for the NS and LRB and is often excellent), the more I find myself admiring his acuity of mind. Spot on - capital looks for things to do. Was Tessa Jowell or Patricia Hodge who made a speech at a City of London business dinner joking that mass immigration was good for Britain not least because it made finding affordable childcare far easier for the upper middle class. Which turd contained the sweetcorn? I forget.
Hey, I tried to search for that article but the link came up as dead, can you retype it, make sure everything is spot on, cheers
He is spot on but sooo self important.
He should marry
Benji Sunshoyyne Zeffer-Naaier.
The Olympics are disgusting, most of the residents of Tower Hamlets who were supposed to see the 'benefit' are now living in Barnsley
@TomMackio That's true, but it's like when the fair comes to town. A lot of noise, and throwing money about and a week later nothing but a pile of litter. It will mainly improve the temporary lot for whomever gets the main contracts to provide services inside the Olympic village. The benefit is for a part of London, not Britain or the UK.
When a country is overexcited about, and has to rely upon, tourism from extravaganzas you just know it's headed down the wrong path.
Very definately not the 'British Olympics', the work force was 20% management, foreign workers 70% and the remaining 10% British workers..thats why it came in under budget..............................Lord Coe and Co did very well out of it...
We couldn't afford it then , and we cannot afford it now.
Good one.
It wasnt really what the chinese were trying to show, they didnt really want any visitors.!!
Great reference :)
Did you really mean that or did you just say it to get attention?
no it isn't
I think the volatility between different religions, rafes and creeds can be put down to a number of factors: actively trying to force ones own logic, ones own religious belief, ones own moral compass, whatever it may be, down other peoples throats. I think Christians and Muslims, from a religious perspective, are both as guilty as one another. If people quietly observe there own faith - as the vast majority in Britain do - then there is no problem.
Well the police report was commissioned by the Norweigan government, it gave clear statistics (which you have tried to use to support your own views) and clear guidance on the interpretation of the results. I trust a report from the Norweigan government over wikipeida personally...
..I never said Wikipedia is inherently wrong, but the fact that anybody can simply alter a page without so much as a shread of evidence to back up the change make wikipedia a poor choice to reference
Someone's tendency towards substance abuse, in past or present, has no bearing what-so-ever on their viability in discussion on any given subject. You're attempting to make an argument based on a prejudice you have, assumedly because you couldn't even begin to blurt out and argument to anything he has said. Provided you understood the argument in the first place of course.
Once again please define for me what 'British Values' are?
I have never said everyone is the same and I hve not denied that there are conflicts and tensions. The tensions cannot be put down to race and race alone. Extremists, as part of any religion, are a problem and serve to only to divide people, extremists muslims are no better or worse than extremist Christians. I acknowledge the difference between people, I don't see the differences as being a inconquerable divide makine it inconceivable that another race may be a part of British society
Religion is like a classroom, a few students are very bright, very observant, these are the ones who become heads of state for certain religions. The vast majority of students vary to a greater or lesser degree in how bright they, how hard they study, but most of them sit somewhere in the middle (and we will say these are your classic church goers/worshippers at a mosque, etc). Then you have a couple of naughty kids - they are disruptive, don't listen, an wish disrupt the balance of the class.
I have had many friends who have been muslim, christian, buddhist, sikh, you name it - individually religion is rarely a problem, its the collective organisations with have an undue amount of influence and power which irks me. How can it be prevented? I do not know. As an ex-smoker I think smoking can be harmful to others around you, religion doesn't have to be, so I don't think it can be put in the same bracket.
Show me a link to these figures, show me who this has been published by, who conducted the study, who has came up with these figures - they sound like there from the Daily Mail to me but if they are from a genuine study group I will happily accept them. You cannot just spout these figures without pointing me in the direction of where they have come from so please enlighten me
"You could make more money auctioning DOGS!"
When did I ever say that? I say other cultures, races and people are interesting - I never said 'more' interesting. In fact I made the point that I don't view any race or culture any more superior or inferior than any other, are you just making things up now?? I have also said that I don't think everyone is the same but that, as I don't see any race being inferior or superior, that those differences should not be a cause for conflict and hatred but for shared knowledge and acceptance.
2023 and Stratford still looks like a building site