So A group of easily manipulated younglings that can learn every discipline and potentially can survive in the sun .... Honestly i am dumbfounded why barons and bishops dont weaponize them more frequently
I mean, all it takes is for them to diablorize a couple low level vampires... or high levels... the teen generation and condense their powers into one being. Giving multiple disciplines and expanding their adaptability.
The game I'm currently developing has a good-natured, subservient Caitiff who unbeknownst to anyone is actually the oldest and most powerful Kindred in the (Camarilla) city.
I once made a Caitiff like that! Her name was Trash and she had the maximum Age background. She was 10th generation and would do mass embraces during Anarch uprisings. Using her dominate and Auspex she taught all her new Childer everything they needed to know.
I’ve got something similar; Bran “Atlas” O’brian, the 400 year old Sheriff of the City of Atlanta. He’s a Toreador…he thinks(he has OCD, and he’s Obssessed with protecting his progeny, but that’s about it) He’s also completely unsure of what generation he even is since his Sire was a recluse who just called herself “The Mother,” and she never disclosed anything to him or her other Childer. As far as he knows, he’s a mutt. He can, however, perform feats of strength that make Elders look weak by comparison, such as when he rescued his sole Childer Emma from a falling crane by _grabbing the wrecking ball and shattering it like a glass marble,_ leading some to assume(in secret) that he may just be one of the Fourth Generation, born of an Antedeluvian who concealed her identity in an effort to rebuild her empire from before the Flood. It doesn’t help the rumors either when he does stuff like vanishing into black mist, running faster than a car, and picking up conversations from literal _miles_ away.
@@carlasmith741 The game is set in the Hague in the Netherlands in 1895, so probably not. All my World of Darkness campaigns are set in the Victorian Era for some strange reason.
Another take on the Caitiff is that They're actually closer to Caine than those who have clans. Because Caine wasn't tied to Clan Disciplines either. It's a controversial take, but a take nonetheless and it's given some poor Caitiffs a sliver of hope.
I like playing as a ThinBlood, which often gets some raised eyebrows. If you know how to play your cards right, and are smart, you'd be amazed just how much you can outdo and amaze Full-Blooded Embraced.
There is currently only one duskborn who has held power, and they were a Primogen in New York, under Prince Helene of Clan Ventrue. He was only brought to this position as the duskborn presence in New York was growing, though the disdain for them wasnt decreasing, due to one being responsible for several murders on Kine that breached the masquerade, it is thought that this thinblood was of Malkav's blood due to her mentally broken state. - Matthieu Cantor of Clan Cappadocian, now Hecata
Caitiffs & Thin Bloods are cool. Thin Bloods especially have cool options for being “weaker.” Wish insight was brought over from V20 as well as some of the merits/flaws. Being a Thin Blood would be better I think.
The problem is not fledgling that has lost their sire or abandoned by them, it's, in fact, the sire himself for choosing whom he or she bestows the gift, as for our,......more unique kindred, well everybody has that "Special" child now days,
For all the talk of the “true power” of the caitiff and thin blood all know that true power lies with the high clans. . Or at least thats what we want to believe , just dont tell my Tzimisce sire i said that or im in for some inventive punishment
Thank you for your clear definitions and backgrounds for the Caitiff and Duskborn. I'm running a new Chronicle with two players that have never played before. I will link them to our channel.
“I fuckin’ love Caitiff. Never will you find people easier to turn on the Cammies than these poor, dumb sons of bitches. They’re like a dog that’s been kicked around by the owner for so long that whoever gives ‘em even a tiny scrap is gonna be their new best friend. Especially handy when you want the owner dead too. My advice? Spend some time recruiting them discreetly before a war party arrives. My Ductus has had the best luck sellin’ on “Caitiff supremacy”. They hate ya because you’re closer to Caine than them! Works every time.” - Bull Bratovitch, Country Gangrel
I don't know why, but I wouldn't be surprised if the gahenna will not be an explosive and fast event, but a very quiet and slow one. Where full vampires will begin to decline in numbers and what will be left will be a group of thin bloods.
Funny enough, I'm creating my first vampire game. The premise, rumors catching like Wildfire in the city of Dallas; words has spread of a new domain and an unknown "Prince" rising in the east. Either through curiosity, or from the orders of their Sire, the players will be investigating and finding out more of this so called "Prince". Location: Eastfield University in Mesquite. ( I live in the Dallas area, and i notice there wasn't much content or information about Texas in the WoD lore. So I'm basically taking the oppurtinity to create the setting, and changing what the city would be)
If it's ok to ask (because I'm unsure of how the rules work for it) in v5 how many disciplines does a caitiff get per taste of another vampires blood (in the rules it I believe it says that a caitiff just requires a taste of another vampires blood and presumably no xp cost to get access to the first level of a new discipline) the problem is it doesn't say if 1 taste of blood could give access to all of the other vampires disciplines but at first level or if it's just the one or two disciplines
V5 is rather vague about how this works, so I use the rules from V20. A Kindred must drink the blood of another vampire and be taught how to use that discipline by the the Kindred your Caitiff is drinking from. With this, they learn the 1st level of that discipline. With most vampires, advancing along this discipline would require more concentration, hence the EXP expenditure being the current rating x7. As Caitiff blood is more fluid than other, they can better adapt and perform all disciplines, hence the EXP expenditure being the current rating x6
Thanks I have been unsure how it should work I guess for v5 you use that but caitiff don't pay for first level and don't require so much blood and nobody "has to" teach you because you can teach your self in v5
A kindred is embraced with a natural understanding of 3 disciplines and must require some degree of tutorage from another to learn more. You gain the first dot of whatever discipline you learning once the kindred has taught you how to use it. Caitiff have an easier time learning this due to the flexible nature of their blood, which is reflected in the the EXP you have to spend (current rating x7 for Kindred VS current rating x6 for Caitiff). The amount of blood drunk by the Caitiff is irrelevant.
@@LoreByNightVtM Its not actually anything to do with their blood being different, as many Caitiff are embraced by clan vampires who happily produce childer who are the same clan as them. The issue is education, training and culture. Its the process of indoctrination which predisposes them towards certain disciplines.
I think Caitiff and thin-bloods to a lesser degree are able to learn disciplines without restriction compaired to the Clan vampires is simple. Caine cursed the 3rd gens and their childer so that each successive generation would be weaker, so as to try and stop what the 3rd gens did to the 2nd from happening again with ease. This means that from gen 4 to 13 (maybe even the 3rd too given that the 3rd's don't know every discipline) Disciplines are harder to learn, thus no vampire is going to know every discipline (I placed a personal limit on the number learnable myself) Due to Caitiff not imprinting a clan, and thin-bloods being so far down the line, they are not effected by Caine's curse that restricts their disciplines, thus they can learn any one their own, the increased experience cost is just cause they are not 'railroaded' like the Clans are.
I have a idea for my caitiff character there a recently turned (more or less 5 ish years ago in game) 8th gen caitiff they are a Yandere for a werewolf (before they were turned they found out that there wife is a werewolf and they were offered to be turned into a werewolf but before they decided they were turned into a vampire because they were dangerously close to finding out about the super natural but they wouldn't have told anyone because they didn't think anyone would believe him) they are a doctor and own the hospital during the night and has a ghoul who takes care of the hospital during the day they don't like most vampires (I'm unsure what faction they would be but mostlikely the anarchs because he usually doesn't care for monarchies and also the camarilla treats the monarch system much more like dictatorship) my caitiff aspires to become a Jack of all trades in terms of disciplines
Thanks as soon as I'm able to play vampire the masquerade (if it's v5 because caitiff have a big advantage in v5 because you can get access to basically any discipline by having some other vampires blood) plan on playing as
Perhaps someday I'll find people who are willing to play but give in the current virus out break (and I have common sense unlike a lot of people) the fact that I'm a introvert and I don't yet have a pc the odds of me finding someone to play this with are not good currently
I think the caitiff will gain rulership due to a second fullscale diablorism... as in vampire from different clans(and unknown one) will diablorise several different vampires of different clans including a few antidiluvians and gain imalgumations of their powers and abilities.... making a more powerful and useful set of abilities and powers.
So
A group of easily manipulated younglings that can learn every discipline and potentially can survive in the sun
.... Honestly i am dumbfounded why barons and bishops dont weaponize them more frequently
I mean, all it takes is for them to diablorize a couple low level vampires... or high levels... the teen generation and condense their powers into one being. Giving multiple disciplines and expanding their adaptability.
The game I'm currently developing has a good-natured, subservient Caitiff who unbeknownst to anyone is actually the oldest and most powerful Kindred in the (Camarilla) city.
Very interesting concept. I wonder what the Prince would think!
I once made a Caitiff like that! Her name was Trash and she had the maximum Age background. She was 10th generation and would do mass embraces during Anarch uprisings. Using her dominate and Auspex she taught all her new Childer everything they needed to know.
I’ve got something similar; Bran “Atlas” O’brian, the 400 year old Sheriff of the City of Atlanta. He’s a Toreador…he thinks(he has OCD, and he’s Obssessed with protecting his progeny, but that’s about it)
He’s also completely unsure of what generation he even is since his Sire was a recluse who just called herself “The Mother,” and she never disclosed anything to him or her other Childer. As far as he knows, he’s a mutt.
He can, however, perform feats of strength that make Elders look weak by comparison, such as when he rescued his sole Childer Emma from a falling crane by _grabbing the wrecking ball and shattering it like a glass marble,_ leading some to assume(in secret) that he may just be one of the Fourth Generation, born of an Antedeluvian who concealed her identity in an effort to rebuild her empire from before the Flood. It doesn’t help the rumors either when he does stuff like vanishing into black mist, running faster than a car, and picking up conversations from literal _miles_ away.
Is the Caitiff a taxy driver?
@@carlasmith741 The game is set in the Hague in the Netherlands in 1895, so probably not. All my World of Darkness campaigns are set in the Victorian Era for some strange reason.
Another take on the Caitiff is that They're actually closer to Caine than those who have clans. Because Caine wasn't tied to Clan Disciplines either. It's a controversial take, but a take nonetheless and it's given some poor Caitiffs a sliver of hope.
Since the Clans are all defined by their curse, I'd say it's not even that controversial a take.
I like playing as a ThinBlood, which often gets some raised eyebrows. If you know how to play your cards right, and are smart, you'd be amazed just how much you can outdo and amaze Full-Blooded Embraced.
There is currently only one duskborn who has held power, and they were a Primogen in New York, under Prince Helene of Clan Ventrue. He was only brought to this position as the duskborn presence in New York was growing, though the disdain for them wasnt decreasing, due to one being responsible for several murders on Kine that breached the masquerade, it is thought that this thinblood was of Malkav's blood due to her mentally broken state.
- Matthieu Cantor of Clan Cappadocian, now Hecata
To my surprise we even have some domains with thin-blood primogen!
What a very forward Camarilla domain you have!
New York is one
It’s extremely easy to become Primogen. All you have to do is claim you are one and if no one else steps up to claim it then you’re Primogen.
7:03 sounds like someone's been drinking haterade against Beckett lol I joke honestly.
Malcolm does not like Beckett 😅
Caitiffs & Thin Bloods are cool. Thin Bloods especially have cool options for being “weaker.” Wish insight was brought over from V20 as well as some of the merits/flaws. Being a Thin Blood would be better I think.
Pander is a hero and should be treated as such
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter..."
The problem is not fledgling that has lost their sire or abandoned by them, it's, in fact, the sire himself for choosing whom he or she bestows the gift, as for our,......more unique kindred, well everybody has that "Special" child now days,
For all the talk of the “true power” of the caitiff and thin blood all know that true power lies with the high clans.
. Or at least thats what we want to believe , just dont tell my Tzimisce sire i said that or im in for some inventive punishment
Thank you for your clear definitions and backgrounds for the Caitiff and Duskborn. I'm running a new Chronicle with two players that have never played before. I will link them to our channel.
*your channel.
I’m currently playing a thin blood, It’s like playing Batman, entire masquerade on hard mode, and I love it
“I fuckin’ love Caitiff. Never will you find people easier to turn on the Cammies than these poor, dumb sons of bitches. They’re like a dog that’s been kicked around by the owner for so long that whoever gives ‘em even a tiny scrap is gonna be their new best friend. Especially handy when you want the owner dead too. My advice? Spend some time recruiting them discreetly before a war party arrives. My Ductus has had the best luck sellin’ on “Caitiff supremacy”. They hate ya because you’re closer to Caine than them! Works every time.” - Bull Bratovitch, Country Gangrel
I don't know why, but I wouldn't be surprised if the gahenna will not be an explosive and fast event, but a very quiet and slow one. Where full vampires will begin to decline in numbers and what will be left will be a group of thin bloods.
8:23 The Tremere will always tell people they are hated but never why.
So if a thin blood diablorises enough vampires are they still thin bloods?
No. If a Gen 14 Thinblood were to diablerise a Gen 13 vampire, they would no longer by thinblooded
Lore By Night so would the thin blood merits disappear such as daydrinker or would those be carried over or do you just lose them?
That's correct. They would disappear, as you would become more vampiric, and move away from the diluted vampire-mortal blood present in the Duskborn
@@LoreByNightVtM so would my character then be a caitif?
Not necessarily. It would depend who you ate and who embraced you.
Funny enough, I'm creating my first vampire game. The premise, rumors catching like Wildfire in the city of Dallas; words has spread of a new domain and an unknown "Prince" rising in the east. Either through curiosity, or from the orders of their Sire, the players will be investigating and finding out more of this so called "Prince". Location: Eastfield University in Mesquite.
( I live in the Dallas area, and i notice there wasn't much content or information about Texas in the WoD lore. So I'm basically taking the oppurtinity to create the setting, and changing what the city would be)
well done
If it's ok to ask (because I'm unsure of how the rules work for it) in v5 how many disciplines does a caitiff get per taste of another vampires blood (in the rules it I believe it says that a caitiff just requires a taste of another vampires blood and presumably no xp cost to get access to the first level of a new discipline) the problem is it doesn't say if 1 taste of blood could give access to all of the other vampires disciplines but at first level or if it's just the one or two disciplines
V5 is rather vague about how this works, so I use the rules from V20. A Kindred must drink the blood of another vampire and be taught how to use that discipline by the the Kindred your Caitiff is drinking from. With this, they learn the 1st level of that discipline.
With most vampires, advancing along this discipline would require more concentration, hence the EXP expenditure being the current rating x7. As Caitiff blood is more fluid than other, they can better adapt and perform all disciplines, hence the EXP expenditure being the current rating x6
Thanks I have been unsure how it should work I guess for v5 you use that but caitiff don't pay for first level and don't require so much blood and nobody "has to" teach you because you can teach your self in v5
A kindred is embraced with a natural understanding of 3 disciplines and must require some degree of tutorage from another to learn more. You gain the first dot of whatever discipline you learning once the kindred has taught you how to use it. Caitiff have an easier time learning this due to the flexible nature of their blood, which is reflected in the the EXP you have to spend (current rating x7 for Kindred VS current rating x6 for Caitiff). The amount of blood drunk by the Caitiff is irrelevant.
@@LoreByNightVtM Its not actually anything to do with their blood being different, as many Caitiff are embraced by clan vampires who happily produce childer who are the same clan as them.
The issue is education, training and culture. Its the process of indoctrination which predisposes them towards certain disciplines.
I think Caitiff and thin-bloods to a lesser degree are able to learn disciplines without restriction compaired to the Clan vampires is simple. Caine cursed the 3rd gens and their childer
so that each successive generation would be weaker, so as to try and stop what the 3rd gens did to the 2nd from happening again with ease. This means that from gen 4 to 13
(maybe even the 3rd too given that the 3rd's don't know every discipline) Disciplines are harder to learn, thus no vampire is going to know every discipline (I placed a personal limit
on the number learnable myself)
Due to Caitiff not imprinting a clan, and thin-bloods being so far down the line, they are not effected by Caine's curse that restricts their disciplines, thus they can learn any one their
own, the increased experience cost is just cause they are not 'railroaded' like the Clans are.
I have a idea for my caitiff character there a recently turned (more or less 5 ish years ago in game) 8th gen caitiff they are a Yandere for a werewolf (before they were turned they found out that there wife is a werewolf and they were offered to be turned into a werewolf but before they decided they were turned into a vampire because they were dangerously close to finding out about the super natural but they wouldn't have told anyone because they didn't think anyone would believe him) they are a doctor and own the hospital during the night and has a ghoul who takes care of the hospital during the day they don't like most vampires (I'm unsure what faction they would be but mostlikely the anarchs because he usually doesn't care for monarchies and also the camarilla treats the monarch system much more like dictatorship) my caitiff aspires to become a Jack of all trades in terms of disciplines
Sounds like you have given this a lot of thought! Hope you enjoy playing this character!!
Thanks as soon as I'm able to play vampire the masquerade (if it's v5 because caitiff have a big advantage in v5 because you can get access to basically any discipline by having some other vampires blood) plan on playing as
Caitiff have that trait in all versions of VtM, not just V5. Hopefully, you can find a ST and players who want to do a Anarch chronicle with you!
Perhaps someday I'll find people who are willing to play but give in the current virus out break (and I have common sense unlike a lot of people) the fact that I'm a introvert and I don't yet have a pc the odds of me finding someone to play this with are not good currently
In world of darkness, you are born a Garou (werewolf), you do not become a Garou nor any type of Fera/Shapeshifter. This is consistent in all editions
That useful thank you
I think the caitiff will gain rulership due to a second fullscale diablorism... as in vampire from different clans(and unknown one) will diablorise several different vampires of different clans including a few antidiluvians and gain imalgumations of their powers and abilities.... making a more powerful and useful set of abilities and powers.
What book is this thin blood alchemy?
TBA is found in most 5th edition books, starting with the corebook