I like the laugh in the subway it was so sinister. 😆 and i also like his laugh on murray Franklin show even tho he was being sarcastic/nervous/embarrassed laugh.
The laugh at the dwarf insult was NOT mimicry..... he felt sorry for Gary, but the laugh is how he reacts to uncomfortable feelings. The card explains it
When he was at the comedy club and laughing at the jokes at the completely wrong times was so sad showing how little he could actually process and understand but how badly he wants to fit in
I was physically cringing on that part... I don't mean like normal "this is so fucking embarrassing" cringe, but an uncomfortable one, like I wanted that moment to end quicker.
that was because in the film, the joker has an extremely rare illness called pathological laughing condition (PLC) where a person will laugh or cry uncontrollably at random times for at least 10 minutes and it's supposedly extremely painful. People with PLC have said that Phoenix portrayed the condition extremely well so kudos to him
Look up vids of people with pathological laughter! I watched videos of people with the condition before I found out the joker had the same condition and it really is painful to experience and watch because of how much it detriments social situations
Just saw it for the second time. Saw it on opening day, interesting thing I noticed here is that when the movie ended on opening night people were cheering and clapping. However tonight I heard of bunch of "oh shit". Anyway, after he shoots the wall street guys and then for a second aims the gun at himself is one of the realest scenes in the movie. Honestly can see myself seeing this movie for a third time...
It’s hard enough to have ptsd from trauma, plus mental illness, but he has no support. Not enough access to medical care. No emotional support. No financial stability. It’s a perfect storm.
Exactly the part of this movie that disturbs me the most is just how real it is. People don’t realize that this is how people turn into serial killers and stuff. Abuse, depression, feeling useless, feeling beat down, betrayed, mixed with mental disorders could legitimately create a real life Joker.
One of my favourite parts was the long staircase. Every day he walks up the stairs to go home, showing the uphill struggle he goes through just to get by in society. And towards the end he instead dances down the steps, showing he's embraced who he is and is no longer trying to conform
This is exactly what I thaught after watching the movie. Great use of symbolism by the director using the staircase as a symbol for the struggle in Arthur's life.
When he wrote stuff in his diary. If it was positive he will use his right hand and if it is negative he will use his left. Which is why his writing looked neat in some parts and sloppy in others.
Joker is left handed while Arthur Fleck is right handed. We can say the man has split personality. There are several scenes in which you can clearly see Arthur transitioning into Joker. Arthur writes his thoughts in a journal with right hand however when he uses his left hand it's not him, it's the Joker. Similarly he used his left hand to shoot.
His portrayal was so dead on. It was so uncomfortable watching. I had to keep reminding myself I was watching a movie, and not eavesdropping and staring at someone's personal life and behavior. He was simply brilliant!!!
Jennifer Metzger “Eavesdropping and staring at someone’s personal life” omg that’s exactly it! You totally hit the nail on the head! That’s why it’s so uncomfortable. It’s like, oh shit, I shouldn’t be seeing this. Great observation ❤️
@Ramp Shark the only thing Ill say to this is there are people who just don't want to do right and can completely help it. Those are the ones that need to nut up and deal.
@@Luna.Luna_ family don't listen. Just like yours, you think they care but more than likely they're thinking "I can be wasting my time doing something else, but I gotta listen to this freak speak" "Life is a party I wasn't invited to, so might as well crash it" - that's my own joker inspired quote relating to my life
Little known fact: mental illnesses happen together. For instance just because someone has major depression doesn't make them predisposed to be murderer. However, a psychopath can have OCD.
Comments like these will shut down the movie shhhh we don't need people who can relate to joker lol he is one and only. A psychopath and no one should try to relate to him
I balled like a baby at that scene...one of the most strangely beautiful and most inspiring scenes I have ever seen in a movie!!!! Very good observation!!
He rides this line of self harm/outward harm a couple times. Seems like the only thing that changes his mind is once he realizes he enjoys it. He fantasizes about shooting himself a few times, but then decides to take it out on others instead. That’s why this movie is so deep. It doesn’t just show you that he’s crazy and kills people. It shows you the first time and the catalyst for those actions and the highs he feels after.
Something I don't see people mention is the beating at the beginning. Arthur covers his crotch and his neck, which are the two most vulnerable parts of the body during as beating of that kind. This natural reaction is a hint to his past abuse.
@nutflixx There's a difference between a movie and art though. all film is part of the arts, but take Mean Girls, good film, fun, clear set story, etc, but it doesn't make you leave the cinema with a new appreciation for anything, it doesn't blow your mind. Joker, 12 Years a Slave, The Godfather, you come out thinking "Wow." then three days later, you're still thinking of the little tiny things that mean so much more than you would think. The wat Arthur coughs from his uncontrollable laughter, his condition physically hurts him and he can't stop, how it is brought on by anxiety, little nuances that you don't get in just any film. The movies that stick with you, that stand out from the others, they are another tier than simply film, that is what Matthew is saying. There is a difference between my 6-year-olds drawings and the Mona Lisa, both are art, but one is considering to be a Masterpiece.
@@phrophannus like I said "any controversy they don't agree with" You can't make a movie to ask tough questions anymore unless it's in support of lbgt, minorities, hardcore socialism or any of the other sjw talking points. An then it best be speaking only on those points in the way they agree with. THey don't like Joker because it paints Antifa and the far left as what they really are, shows how mental illness is really treated and the results of such treatment and they don't blame it on an incel far righty but instead a incredibly damaged person which is often the case.
The Academy Don't know what a good film is. They Don't realise that you need to take risks to make an impact. Playing it safe gets you nowhere. Films should make you think and they don't understand that. They hardly ever acknowledge horror films, even ones that are masterpieces. They never acknowledged Stanley Kubrick! The only Oscar he ever won was for special effects, and he Only won it because there were Too Many people in the effects team to get an award each, so he accepted it on behalf of the team.
This movie gets better AFTER you’ve seen it. The scenes surreptitiously implant themselves into your brain and each and every one is more appreciated every time you replay it.
I didn't even realize all of the movies brilliance when watching it for the first time. I knew it was SO GOOD, but i didn't understand exactly why it impacted me so vastly. After doing more research and watching interviews, i can say i'm seriously and utterly impressed by the detail put into this masterpiece.
@@jeffreypeterson3238 The best part of a great movie, is that haters like you constantly need to tell the audience that "this movie "sucks" and here is why" in order to try to make them dislike the movie. It's really sad isn't it?? Ppl just fall in love with this movie unconditionally, while haters like you try their best to prove otherwise. Pathetic yet hilarious at the same time.
One other thing! Arthur use his right hand, Joker his left one. When he's writing his joke alone in his notebook, he hold his pencil with the right hand, then drop it on the table, looking for a punchline. He slowly moves his body like he's changing, smile, retake the pencil with his left hand and finish the joke while laughing. A kind of Depersonalization or personality disorder.
It's a really subtle thing, but notice after every kill, particularly when meeting TW, he no longer tries to hide his laugh, it no longer hurts him, he likes it. Such a beautiful metaphor
@Tybee you see he says it himself, he views it as a disease so that's where I got the painful laugh, maybe i viewed it wrong but in my opinion Joaquin does act like he hates it Everytime bar some scenes. The difference with the Murray scene at the beginning is that he wasn't really laughing due to his disorder(i think) he was laughing at his own accord maybe?
Tybee pseudobulbar effect. Usually caused by head trauma. Uncontrollable laughter when nervous. I feel like most of his laughs that were of his own accord were fake or forced laughs to fit in. Only in the end scene does he genuinely laugh, because he finds the idea that he has orphaned little Bruce funny af, and for the first time he embraces his own sense of humour instead of trying to fit in with that of others.
@Tybee that's all after he's crossed the breaking point. Before that the high pitched cring laugh is a laugh he uses to fit in, you see it in the comedy club when he laughs off beat with other people. Same as when he walks away from his co-workers after they rag on the small guy. There are very few times he genuinely laughs before the last act of the movie
@Tybee I don't think so, but I've only seen it once. The only times I remember him laughing genuinely is when he was in his mom's hospital room and so on. Everything was either his condition, the fake laugh, and a snicker here and there. I'm gonna watch it again this week, so I'll try and pay more attention
it would also be only the second time when two actors got an Oscar for portraying the same character, after Marlon Brando's and Robert De Niro's portrayals of Don Vito Corleone in Godfather and Godfather Part II, respectively
“It’s hard not to have sympathy for somebody who experienced that level of childhood trauma: An overstimulated medulla looks for and perceives danger everywhere. For someone in that state, does it mean his actions make sense or are justified? Obviously not. There’s a point where he crosses the line where I am no longer able to stick by his side. But it allowed me to approach him with less judgment and more compassion than what I had when I first read the script.” - Joaquin Phoenix
@@dantdt4693 oh absolutely it is the superior film. But it was also made in 2008 and Im just glad that after marvels rise we can still see these interesting takes on comic book characters
Saw it night before last. Didn't have any expectations other than that Phoenix would throw himself into the role. He did not disappoint. I have never felt more anguish and sadness for a character and i wished at every moment i could help him when he was laughing. I know a lot of people have said it's incel culture glorified, but i don't see it. I see a man who represents the underclass of society, the forgotten, the disenfranchised, the mentally ill without help or hope. This movie is a chilling warning of what may come in the future. The oppressed and downtrodden can only be brutalized like animals for so long before they tear off their shackles and savage their owners.
The incel stuff was only speculated on before the movie came out. Notice all that talk has stopped now, as it's obvious that it has nothing to do with incel culture.
@@devenscience8894 yeah, it's not celebrating it any way, if anything this film raises awareness, that we should treat mentally ill people better and help them so they don't pick up machine guns and spray down crowds.
Oh absolutely, his entire body language is 100% intentional and spot on. Throughout the movie, his movement tells you so much and is so wildly different between even chronologically close moments...it's super reflective of his mood and amazingly acted out by Phoenix
I would have never thought this but it's pretty amazing that people who notice or study these type of actions can see them in Phoenix performance, kinda show us how serious he took this role, maybe he felt I have to at least match Heath ledger performance, but in my opinion which might be In the minority I think he beat Heath......
@@curtisgonzalez913 You're actually not in the minority, a lot of people feel the same way. They're both fantastic actors. Phoenix's Joker is more complex and heart felt.
@@curtisgonzalez913 I gotta say I LIKED Ledger better in it, but is likeability a selling point for a Joker?;) I liked the witty jokes and honest to god moments that weren't really honest that he had which were obviously not in the new movie. On the other hand there's SO MUCH in this one that wasn't in the dark Knight... I don't have to compare, both will likely be Oscar worthy Jokers ;)
I swear to god, when the new Joker shot the first group of guys, I was like "Yo, dude!?!? Wtf?" As if that wasn't expected from a Joker ^^ This Joker is a sick, poor bastard with a lot of bad luck and some bad decisions while the Ledger-Joker is a cruel and cunning terrorist...yes, i think that word could be used
Heath's Joker was supposed to be more of a mystery, an archetype, a scary trickster figure Always one step ahead and an unpredictable, imposing figure towering over you. Joaquin's Joker is supposed to feel more real, layered, a canvas for our own oftentimes mixed-up feelings of insecurity, empathy, frustration, rage, need and greed for attention, someone seen close-up, intimate and informative. So, basically, Joaquin was given more space and attention to pour his emotionally widescoped and nuanced acting into every angle of the camera and corner of the screen. It was a role that might be harder to play and easier to fail at, but it is also the one that öfters more opportunities to excel and make the portrayal of the character more rewarding.
The movie also talks about mental illness, depression . How as a society we r failing .we r losing humanity . Every single person is so rude and nobody thinks about what the other person is feeling . Joker is really thought provoking . It makes you question . It makes you think . It really is unlike anything I've seen in a long time .
The movie is a period piece. And portrays it well. Mental illness isn't stigmatized anymore. Hell everyone I know is taking our had taken anti depressants. We embrace it more readily now.
It just seems that way though. Before the internet we only spoke to people within our own "neighborhood." Humans are more aware of outside cultures more than before. And it seems like common courtesy is breaking down. Customer service is nil nowadays. Saying thank you and you're welcome has gone out the door. Passing by others in a store or on the street people used to say excuse me instead of just barging their way past. Idk what happened to simple manners but they are dwindling. People are more self-absorbed than they were in the past. It's sad.
Another things that ties into the limp is how he runs. A lot of actors would probably have made Joker run normally after years of wearing clown shoes, but Pheonix makes a conscious decision to have this joker run like he suddenly has feet that are 10 pounds lighter. Pretty small touch but adds a lot of reality to the character
Here's the 10th: When he finally feels like he's getting the attention he deserves in Murray's show, he thrives on it. He's relaxed, confident, and enjoying every second. He finally feels he's making a difference in the world, that people notice him. You see him embracing this in the moment his subway killings are reported, and slowly making this his new self.
A couple of things: -Not Breathing: This is actually a real anxiety and pain response. It is probably linked somewhere in the "lizard brain" to playing dead. So, this may not be a calculated act by Arthur trying to calm himself, but one more way Phoenix is getting into the character by doing real responses. -Color choice: It is basically the palette of the curtains and colors of the Murray show. I think this is more foreshadowing than anything. These color appear again and again to hint that he is becoming the Joker. The final act, walking through the actual curtains in full Joker outfit, symbolizes that he has finally become the Joker fully. -Dancing: Yes, Arthur does dance, but the "exaggerated" movements he is making appear to be Tai Chi forms--something he probably learned in either therapy or on TV as a means of calming and focusing--also common anxiety control practices.
I noticed that the gross details like chipped paints and yellowed whites started to stop appearing and small details stopped showing up. After Arthur became Joker, the images were pretty and colorful instead of bleak
does anybody notice all the water coming out of his fake flower after the first beating? it.a like life itself is flowing out of himself. such a brilliant movie
Florin Natu did u notice that he pressed the button that made it come out? because he thought it was funny. i didn’t even notice it but the director pointed it out in an interview
You only ever see that in cartoons, when a clown is down and out, their gag flower that squirts water for a joke/bit pours out and wilts....this movie has so much detail its insane
It definitely carries meaningful ideas and and speculations but when the masses are comparing themselves to a killer clown in potitive light, a lot of people freak the hell out and the movie's reputation is made worse
Not just that, but his mimic laugh always seem to come across as mocking, sarcastic, and quite deliberately over the top. I felt that as he walked away laughing everyone else might have stopped to look at him and think, "well, what's his problem now? it was just a joke"
Some say this movie may incite violence and though it’s an understandable concern The overwhelming message that I got from the film was that a little kindness will always go a long way.
People aren’t gonna like this, but here goes. I think Joaquin’s Joker is by far, and I mean FAR better than Heath Ledgers. I remember all the hubbub about how he “went crazy” preparing for his turn as the joker, but what we got in the movie was a really slick, morally ambiguous villain. He wasn’t really depraved or insane. A little too slick and unrelatable. I’m not saying he wasn’t good. He’s just second best now. Joaquin’s Joker is hauntingly real. A truly chilling look at the psychopathy and mental illness that would create a monster like this. He’s relatable, but in that sort of way you don’t want to admit to.
I agree with what you are saying, but I also feel as though they can't really be compared because they are playing two different characters, different time periods etc. I love both of their portrayals :)
I mean Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker is more about the transition, and Heath Ledgers is about the full blown crazy Joker. For Ledgers Joker there is no history or much background for him to create a connection with normal audience unlike Joaquin’s
@@ahnaftahmid9115 you're right.. it's not really right to be comparing them .. in fact it's kinda redundant. But as a person's own taste or opinion.. though I love Ledgers so much, Phoenix's version resonates with me the most ..
Joaquin did what Heath Ledger's Joker only claimed to do. In Batman the joker claimed that he was a man without a plan, but if you look at things like the bank heist and the bomb in the man he always planned ahead. Joaquin caused riots in Gotham without even trying.
Here's one not so subtle detail that makes Joaquin Pheonix's Joker incredible: Phoenix is an outstanding actor and right here they gave him the right material to knock it out of the park.
He done it without influenced by his character as u know what I mean, he just an actor who give a big impact to the film, but in reality he was not effected by his character like others who play Joker
@@user-qt3bh6xv2o socipaths use this to make people like them, they try to mimic as much of the body lenguage of everyone they talk to cause it makes people trust them more easily
In the scene with Murray, where he's *really* emphasising the *Murr-ay* part, it's actually a callback to the hospital scene where he drops his gun in front of the kids. The way he says Murray is absolutely identical to "If you're happy and you know it say Hurr-ay". "Hurr-ay" is said at the exact moment he drops the gun, and it keeps playing while he's standing there trying to cover it up.
I got super terrified and kinda relieved at the same time... Those buttholes also tried to harass the woman across and got happy and afraid that he just started laughing and knew they would turn their attention toward him instead of the woman... 😣😨
the dark and gritty tone worked because its joker. it makes sense that his movie would be like that. I just want movies that match the tone of the character. although it makes sense that villain movies would naturally be darker. I want to see a tragic Shakespearian Mr freeze movie or a gritty gangster Penguin movie. those would be cool.
Yeah there is actually very little dialogue in this film compared to others of similar length. Phoenix's performance was far more visual than auditory which just adds to how well he did this character.
It seemed to me that his dances are part of his transformation into Joker. From the first triple murder, he first does the dance and presents himself to the mirror as the Joker, right until his entry to the live show where he does his final dance to present himself to the world.
I was thinking the Joker suit colors style came from the talk show show curtains. As a suit and talk show curtains are an introduction of a person to others.
@FaZe Gcam Is that where he got it? I was wondering exactly when he acquired the suit. I thought he kinda got it piece meal throughout the movie, but I wasn't sure.
@@TH3F4LC0Nx I'm not so sure my self I cant remember everything but he most likely did sense their really any scene showing he got that suit. I'll just rewatch the movie when it comes out.
FTF.Eli it’s a phrase coined from a book Out Of The Shadows. A man describes how his mother liens on him for emotional support as if he was her husband. It’s a form of neglect.
@john mac well I think he killed her because he realized she was the reason he had his condition...she was responsible for his childhood beatings which resulted in his neurological disorder. She destroyed his life.
@@freddiemercury4evr yes she allowed him to be abused at the hands of her boyfriend and she lied to him telling him he had a condition that made him laugh when she knew all the time he suffered a traumatic brain injury from being beaten. She was the cause of all his pain and unhappiness. Right before he kills her he said he was never happy one day in his entire life. So very sad. Great scene.
@@contessa2465 Well,technically, the brain injuries cause him to laugh,so it is a condition that makes him laugh,but caused by beatings. Agreed on the rest.
What hurt me was the split second that he thought about shooting himself during the subway beating scene. It felt real because Arthur is just realizing what he's done.
I’m hoping the riddler is next up!! There’s so much they just opened up after this movie. Gonna change the way story’s get told and how villains deep character studys!! 10/10
@@DjJokerr couldn't agree more with you. His portrayal of the joker was good but nothing out of this world. It annoys me that there are many people in this world who have no own opinion and who simply jump on the heath ledger idolize train just because everyone else does it. Its also toxic how much some people adore heath ledger, its crazy, so many fanboys. If you say one bad thing about heath they take it so personally. Its pathetic.
Also, to add to the point of mimicry, Arthur notes in his book during the standup show that the successful comedian has slicked-back hair - something that he later adopts for the Murray Franklin Show. This movie had SO many great little details
Firstly, this video is the closest thing to an analysis of how Joaquin Phoenix did what he did to be Joker. Outstanding! Second, I'm owning this DVD when it comes out no matter what anyone says or thinks.
I’ve watched this movie almost everyday for a month. Perhaps I have mental issues of my own, BUT I truly feel for the character. For me, what he has to say about society really hits home.
Some people asked why he killed Murray, instead of Wayne. You can notice some childish tells because he had no father growing up. This happens when a child has no father to mirror behavior. He basically dreamed that Murray was a father to him. Imagine what it did to Arthur when he embarrassed him on television. - His dreams to be a standup were crushed - His imaginary father mockup him on live television
This is why the movie was so great, when I was watching it, kept noticing so many details I wanted to pause like reading the letters, but of course couldn't because it's in a theater, made a review on my channel praising it for this, the movie has so much rewatch value!!
I know exactly how you feel. there are so many moments where you realize there's more to the scene then what is being shown, but you don't have time to analyse it and understand it before it moves on.
The one detail I found amazing was when he is entering the Murray Show and tosses his cigarette on the ground you can even see a hand grab it. Such a well done movie paying perfect attention to detail.
@@litaf5104 the cigarettes are not there for being cool, they are the story of the film. You need to notice not how he smokes, but when he does it. And when he doesn't.
And when he drew the infamous big smile of The Joker with the very blood of his wounded mouth at the end, right before he turned to the cheering crowd... a simple yet deep and brilliant metaphorical scene.
This movie and performance is one of those rare special ones that genuinely stuck with me I'm still disturbed and stuck by the film and Phoenix's incredible performance.
One thing I noticed was that 'slow dance' in the bathroom was mostly Tai chi. Totally recognized it a bit from the PE course I did in collage. And it makes sense, considering him being commited at one point earlier. They might have taught some patients it for meditative purposes.
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I clocked it as Tai Chi also. So many subtle details.
I feel like phoenix’s portrayal was the awakening to the madness that personifies the joker character and ledgers was him comfortable with the madness....truly those two actors exceeded what we considered the joker!
There is no way we can judge this movie in stars out of 5.......it is beyond numbers and oscars it's a once in lifetime experience to watch this masterpiece on big screen.... Joaquin Phoenix is a legend.
Another subtle detail. When he writes that iconic "The worst part of having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't.", He writes the first half with his dominant right hand and the second half with his left.
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I like the laugh in the subway it was so sinister. 😆 and i also like his laugh on murray Franklin show even tho he was being sarcastic/nervous/embarrassed laugh.
@@chrisakane9840 I totally agree with your comments the dance he did. Before he went onto the Murray show classic before the curtain opened
@@chrisakane9840 I agree just a masterpiece of a film
The laugh at the dwarf insult was NOT mimicry..... he felt sorry for Gary, but the laugh is how he reacts to uncomfortable feelings. The card explains it
`he also mimicked the i wanna shoot myself. of the brown girl.
wich was really weird. so u are on point. this movie is just full of stuff.
When he was at the comedy club and laughing at the jokes at the completely wrong times was so sad showing how little he could actually process and understand but how badly he wants to fit in
I was physically cringing on that part... I don't mean like normal "this is so fucking embarrassing" cringe, but an uncomfortable one, like I wanted that moment to end quicker.
He really did a great job at making you feel uncomfortable in a scary and sad way, what a actor
that was because in the film, the joker has an extremely rare illness called pathological laughing condition (PLC) where a person will laugh or cry uncontrollably at random times for at least 10 minutes and it's supposedly extremely painful. People with PLC have said that Phoenix portrayed the condition extremely well so kudos to him
@@summerbum305 I think that both is true. Sometimes he loughs because of the deseases, sometimes he tries to fit in
Look up vids of people with pathological laughter! I watched videos of people with the condition before I found out the joker had the same condition and it really is painful to experience and watch because of how much it detriments social situations
I dont know about everyone else but I keep having this urge to watch the film again.
You and me both.
Same
Just saw it for the second time. Saw it on opening day, interesting thing I noticed here is that when the movie ended on opening night people were cheering and clapping. However tonight I heard of bunch of "oh shit". Anyway, after he shoots the wall street guys and then for a second aims the gun at himself is one of the realest scenes in the movie. Honestly can see myself seeing this movie for a third time...
I'm going to see it for the 4th time this weekend. Oh my.
I could watch it again and again and again
The cruelest thing about the movie is that Arthur is so human.
This is what a human would probably turn into.
It’s hard enough to have ptsd from trauma, plus mental illness, but he has no support. Not enough access to medical care. No emotional support. No financial stability. It’s a perfect storm.
Exactly the part of this movie that disturbs me the most is just how real it is.
People don’t realize that this is how people turn into serial killers and stuff.
Abuse, depression, feeling useless, feeling beat down, betrayed, mixed with mental disorders could legitimately create a real life Joker.
couldnt agree more
and being denied his much needed meds that kept him some what functionable.
It makes sense for the comics too. This is the guy who will go on to put Barbara Gordon in a wheelchair and torture Jason Todd to insanity.
I have missed movies like this. Bold and unforgettable.
yes, Hollywood keeps making movies just for the heck of it, no meaning
Weird Viking Joaquin made me smoking cigs looks so good and cool lol
@@litaf5104 ?
You know it's great when your attention never strays from the Film for a second
What other movies were bold and unforgettable according to you?
One of my favourite parts was the long staircase. Every day he walks up the stairs to go home, showing the uphill struggle he goes through just to get by in society. And towards the end he instead dances down the steps, showing he's embraced who he is and is no longer trying to conform
Descent into madness
This is exactly what I thaught after watching the movie. Great use of symbolism by the director using the staircase as a symbol for the struggle in Arthur's life.
Kerry Paulazzo those stairs are in the bronx and you can go see it for yourself if you wanted too
Ah I love that someone else pointed this out!!
Think you’re trying too hard in trying to look for symbolisms
When he wrote stuff in his diary. If it was positive he will use his right hand and if it is negative he will use his left. Which is why his writing looked neat in some parts and sloppy in others.
I picked up on that when it came to the gun. He seemed to only shoot using his left hand.
@@alexking3044 hence it being negative
I thought he was just left handed will keep an eye out for the other hand now thanks
Joker is left handed while Arthur Fleck is right handed. We can say the man has split personality. There are several scenes in which you can clearly see Arthur transitioning into Joker. Arthur writes his thoughts in a journal with right hand however when he uses his left hand it's not him, it's the Joker. Similarly he used his left hand to shoot.
Michael Kilbane Wow, nice catch!
His portrayal was so dead on. It was so uncomfortable watching. I had to keep reminding myself I was watching a movie, and not eavesdropping and staring at someone's personal life and behavior. He was simply brilliant!!!
Jennifer Metzger yes it made me believe HE was arthur and HE was really joker. l
Jennifer Metzger “Eavesdropping and staring at someone’s personal life” omg that’s exactly it! You totally hit the nail on the head! That’s why it’s so uncomfortable. It’s like, oh shit, I shouldn’t be seeing this. Great observation ❤️
So dead on? You've actually met the real joker? Or is he a fictional character? I mean how is he dead on? Explain
Yeah I agree. I agree.
Overworked CNA Hitchcock’s movies often had that quality of voyeurism
“The worst part about having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don’t “ preach
True shit.
Yep
@Ramp Shark the only thing Ill say to this is there are people who just don't want to do right and can completely help it. Those are the ones that need to nut up and deal.
@@Luna.Luna_ family don't listen. Just like yours, you think they care but more than likely they're thinking "I can be wasting my time doing something else, but I gotta listen to this freak speak"
"Life is a party I wasn't invited to, so might as well crash it" - that's my own joker inspired quote relating to my life
Luna 2018 who pays the psychiatrists?
The secret is, people can relate to him. That makes him scary, and the movie so good.
Taradonna time is the limiting factor here
It's a sign of the shitty state of the society we live in. An indictment of unregulated capital and neoliberalism.
@@mattgilbert7347 ...and from that the rapid breakdown of social norms and human relationships in the last decades.
Little known fact: mental illnesses happen together. For instance just because someone has major depression doesn't make them predisposed to be murderer. However, a psychopath can have OCD.
Comments like these will shut down the movie shhhh we don't need people who can relate to joker lol he is one and only. A psychopath and no one should try to relate to him
That blood smile he made at the end was everything
I balled like a baby at that scene...one of the most strangely beautiful and most inspiring scenes I have ever seen in a movie!!!! Very good observation!!
The way he flicked his fingers outward got me
It was ! You could tell that he was still in so much pain. 😭💔
+Big Time
To me, that's when Arthur fully became the Joker.
It's almost like a full circle moment.
Big Time very powerful
This movie is everything. It is so unbelievably good.
Jenny Ellis My favorite movie of 2019. 10/10!!
I'm watching it this weekend. This cannot be a bad movie after all the knowledge I've gathered
@Jenny Ellis - Well said.
I just don't like how he talks like a kid when he becomes Joker, some parts are a little disappointing when he seemed weak in the interview
@@kaysalchaar he wasn't the joker in the show. Plus he was fake talking
After he kills the first two guys on the train, arthur points the gun to his head for a tiny sec, great detail. Only noticed it after rewatching it
Aaron Gunsha I just noticed that too today! what an awesome detail
I noticed the same thing tonight during my second watch. Brilliant, considering what comes later.
He rides this line of self harm/outward harm a couple times. Seems like the only thing that changes his mind is once he realizes he enjoys it.
He fantasizes about shooting himself a few times, but then decides to take it out on others instead.
That’s why this movie is so deep. It doesn’t just show you that he’s crazy and kills people. It shows you the first time and the catalyst for those actions and the highs he feels after.
i saw it tge first time too. it is brilliant
@@vamthedestroyer you couldn't have word it better 👌🏾
Something I don't see people mention is the beating at the beginning. Arthur covers his crotch and his neck, which are the two most vulnerable parts of the body during as beating of that kind. This natural reaction is a hint to his past abuse.
Christian B he also went limp right away
@@SuperRONDALE Didn't think of that really since he was on the ground. I'll have to look closer during a rewatch
I noticed that, too and think to myself that this guy is used to beating.
I noticed he covered himself but now makes way more sense after seeing the movie
Incredible attention to detail and well noticed I didn't know that
Joker movie reveals that super power n cgi can never match super acting.
Bhaskar Jyoti Nath preachhhhhhhhhh
Mark Donald we get it your very smart
Boyfriend eats girlfriend’s lunch Mark Donald you are both right avengers and joker are brilliant movies for two separate reasons
Mark Donald
Yeah the animators were great in making cg and stuff but its Shit taste you have there
Mark Donald
Avengers made you cry? In ehat scene? Iron man dies? Is that sad omfg your delusional and a MCU Woke Tard
Joker is not a movie, it's an art.
This!
@Matthew Rzepecki whatever you say champ 😊👍
My thoughts exactly
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@nutflixx There's a difference between a movie and art though. all film is part of the arts, but take Mean Girls, good film, fun, clear set story, etc, but it doesn't make you leave the cinema with a new appreciation for anything, it doesn't blow your mind. Joker, 12 Years a Slave, The Godfather, you come out thinking "Wow." then three days later, you're still thinking of the little tiny things that mean so much more than you would think. The wat Arthur coughs from his uncontrollable laughter, his condition physically hurts him and he can't stop, how it is brought on by anxiety, little nuances that you don't get in just any film. The movies that stick with you, that stand out from the others, they are another tier than simply film, that is what Matthew is saying. There is a difference between my 6-year-olds drawings and the Mona Lisa, both are art, but one is considering to be a Masterpiece.
If theres any justice phoenix will win an oscar for best actor
I really hope so, he deserves it, but Hollywood is too afraid of controversy, so I don't know...
@@phrophannus You mean they're afraid of controversy that that disagree with.
@@zephirol4638 See the professional Rotten Tomatoes reviews and you're gonna get it.
They don't deserve him.
@@phrophannus like I said "any controversy they don't agree with" You can't make a movie to ask tough questions anymore unless it's in support of lbgt, minorities, hardcore socialism or any of the other sjw talking points. An then it best be speaking only on those points in the way they agree with.
THey don't like Joker because it paints Antifa and the far left as what they really are, shows how mental illness is really treated and the results of such treatment and they don't blame it on an incel far righty but instead a incredibly damaged person which is often the case.
Unfortunately, the Academy doesn't like 'uncomfortable'. And this film is deliciously uncomfortable.
And yet they give best picture to a film about a woman and a manfish having relations.
Oscars better respect the name *Joker*
@@melissacross5525 what movie was that if you don't mind me asking? I don't pay too much to the award shows.
@@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496 The Shape of Water, I believe.
@@melissacross5525 To be fair, she was half fish too.
The Academy Don't know what a good film is. They Don't realise that you need to take risks to make an impact. Playing it safe gets you nowhere. Films should make you think and they don't understand that. They hardly ever acknowledge horror films, even ones that are masterpieces. They never acknowledged Stanley Kubrick! The only Oscar he ever won was for special effects, and he Only won it because there were Too Many people in the effects team to get an award each, so he accepted it on behalf of the team.
Joker is simply a masterpiece and instant classic. I absorbed the film.
rdchannels it really was beautiful. In a dark, disturbing kind of way XD I loved it
Absorbing rather than watching.
The film sucked. Watch my video, " This is why The Joker sucked."
@@jeffreypeterson3238 well a shit ton of people disagree with you, and nobody gives a shit what you think.
This movie gets better AFTER you’ve seen it. The scenes surreptitiously implant themselves into your brain and each and every one is more appreciated every time you replay it.
Vastly Educated YES
Yes! I can't stop thinking about it!!! Everyday something happens that makes me think of it again.
I didn't even realize all of the movies brilliance when watching it for the first time. I knew it was SO GOOD, but i didn't understand exactly why it impacted me so vastly. After doing more research and watching interviews, i can say i'm seriously and utterly impressed by the detail put into this masterpiece.
The film sucked. Watch my video"This is why The Joker sucked."
@@jeffreypeterson3238 The best part of a great movie, is that haters like you constantly need to tell the audience that "this movie "sucks" and here is why" in order to try to make them dislike the movie. It's really sad isn't it?? Ppl just fall in love with this movie unconditionally, while haters like you try their best to prove otherwise. Pathetic yet hilarious at the same time.
One other thing! Arthur use his right hand, Joker his left one.
When he's writing his joke alone in his notebook, he hold his pencil with the right hand, then drop it on the table, looking for a punchline. He slowly moves his body like he's changing, smile, retake the pencil with his left hand and finish the joke while laughing.
A kind of Depersonalization or personality disorder.
And he always uses the gun with his left hand. Yup, another nice detail.
I noticed this too! It was a great touch. Especially how he has an almost perfect left hand shot. But my guess is that's his delusion
Personality disorder is bullshit. Why is it only 2 countries in the world have cases?
@@metaloverload7374 i dont fucking know, do you want more like them or what?? Jesus.
Dave Lapanne I thought I was the only one who picked up on that!
It's a really subtle thing, but notice after every kill, particularly when meeting TW, he no longer tries to hide his laugh, it no longer hurts him, he likes it. Such a beautiful metaphor
@Tybee you see he says it himself, he views it as a disease so that's where I got the painful laugh, maybe i viewed it wrong but in my opinion Joaquin does act like he hates it Everytime bar some scenes. The difference with the Murray scene at the beginning is that he wasn't really laughing due to his disorder(i think) he was laughing at his own accord maybe?
Tybee pseudobulbar effect. Usually caused by head trauma. Uncontrollable laughter when nervous. I feel like most of his laughs that were of his own accord were fake or forced laughs to fit in. Only in the end scene does he genuinely laugh, because he finds the idea that he has orphaned little Bruce funny af, and for the first time he embraces his own sense of humour instead of trying to fit in with that of others.
@Tybee that laugh is a fake laugh he uses to fit in
@Tybee that's all after he's crossed the breaking point. Before that the high pitched cring laugh is a laugh he uses to fit in, you see it in the comedy club when he laughs off beat with other people. Same as when he walks away from his co-workers after they rag on the small guy. There are very few times he genuinely laughs before the last act of the movie
@Tybee I don't think so, but I've only seen it once. The only times I remember him laughing genuinely is when he was in his mom's hospital room and so on. Everything was either his condition, the fake laugh, and a snicker here and there. I'm gonna watch it again this week, so I'll try and pay more attention
"What about a hug, _DAD!?_ "
-Joker 2019
If you think THAT'S the weirdest thing the Joker has ever said, lemme tell you about his "boner."
Shalashaska bruh.. it’s in the movie. It’s a funny line. That’s why he posted it.
How about a bit of fucking decency!
Riot Breaker “What about an Oscar, _ACADEMY?!”_
Sorry. Had to 🤷🏼♀️
@@Shala_Boi
Please tell me
If Joaquin Phoenix gets the oscar, then Joker would be the only comic book character to win not one but two academy awards.
Rightly deserved. We need the outsiders perspective.
Well if he doesn't then we will know for sure that the academy awards are as pointless as diarrhea.
Tobias Moeckel - we already know that
it would also be only the second time when two actors got an Oscar for portraying the same character, after Marlon Brando's and Robert De Niro's portrayals of Don Vito Corleone in Godfather and Godfather Part II, respectively
And if he doesnt the oscar committee should kill their selves
I have never experienced a Joker that made me want to cry so deeply
Same!
same i actually cried 😭😭😭
It made me want to cry but also laugh with him.
Same
You forgot his walk after he accepts being joker
The confident
Not limping
Not looking down
Smoking n swag
Embracing the new personality
“It’s hard not to have sympathy for somebody who experienced that level of childhood trauma: An overstimulated medulla looks for and perceives danger everywhere. For someone in that state, does it mean his actions make sense or are justified? Obviously not. There’s a point where he crosses the line where I am no longer able to stick by his side. But it allowed me to approach him with less judgment and more compassion than what I had when I first read the script.”
- Joaquin Phoenix
A breath of fresh air in my opinion from the always epic fight to save the earth superhero flicks
Joker>Spiderman far away from home (and even homecoming)
Apples to Oranges
Drew Biggah the dark knight is a better film
@@dantdt4693 oh absolutely it is the superior film. But it was also made in 2008 and Im just glad that after marvels rise we can still see these interesting takes on comic book characters
@@dantdt4693 I think Joker was a better film but A Dark Knight was good
Saw it night before last. Didn't have any expectations other than that Phoenix would throw himself into the role. He did not disappoint. I have never felt more anguish and sadness for a character and i wished at every moment i could help him when he was laughing. I know a lot of people have said it's incel culture glorified, but i don't see it. I see a man who represents the underclass of society, the forgotten, the disenfranchised, the mentally ill without help or hope.
This movie is a chilling warning of what may come in the future. The oppressed and downtrodden can only be brutalized like animals for so long before they tear off their shackles and savage their owners.
"They think that we'll just sit there and take it, like good little boys! That we won't go werewolf and go wild!"
I agree with all you said. Lack of empathy and so much greed in society breeds this.
The incel stuff was only speculated on before the movie came out. Notice all that talk has stopped now, as it's obvious that it has nothing to do with incel culture.
Another 500 , 600 years ? Stop !! It's a fucking movie about the fucking joker . A DC comic book character
@@devenscience8894 yeah, it's not celebrating it any way, if anything this film raises awareness, that we should treat mentally ill people better and help them so they don't pick up machine guns and spray down crowds.
Marvel: Endgame is the best movie of 2019
Dc: Send in the clown
izzy boi haha
EXACTLY
love Joker now more than Santa🤣
Yeah, really!!
I feel like they're both the best movie in their own way.
The most fascinating, chilling, beautifully disturbing film ive ever seen. The cinematography was stunning, and Joaquin Phoenix was just unbelievable.
The shots of the city were especially amazing!
Oh absolutely, his entire body language is 100% intentional and spot on. Throughout the movie, his movement tells you so much and is so wildly different between even chronologically close moments...it's super reflective of his mood and amazingly acted out by Phoenix
I would have never thought this but it's pretty amazing that people who notice or study these type of actions can see them in Phoenix performance, kinda show us how serious he took this role, maybe he felt I have to at least match Heath ledger performance, but in my opinion which might be In the minority I think he beat Heath......
@@curtisgonzalez913 You're actually not in the minority, a lot of people feel the same way. They're both fantastic actors. Phoenix's Joker is more complex and heart felt.
@@curtisgonzalez913 I gotta say I LIKED Ledger better in it, but is likeability a selling point for a Joker?;)
I liked the witty jokes and honest to god moments that weren't really honest that he had which were obviously not in the new movie.
On the other hand there's SO MUCH in this one that wasn't in the dark Knight...
I don't have to compare, both will likely be Oscar worthy Jokers ;)
I swear to god, when the new Joker shot the first group of guys, I was like "Yo, dude!?!? Wtf?"
As if that wasn't expected from a Joker ^^
This Joker is a sick, poor bastard with a lot of bad luck and some bad decisions while the Ledger-Joker is a cruel and cunning terrorist...yes, i think that word could be used
Heath's Joker was supposed to be more of a mystery, an archetype, a scary trickster figure Always one step ahead and an unpredictable, imposing figure towering over you.
Joaquin's Joker is supposed to feel more real, layered, a canvas for our own oftentimes mixed-up feelings of insecurity, empathy, frustration, rage, need and greed for attention, someone seen close-up, intimate and informative.
So, basically, Joaquin was given more space and attention to pour his emotionally widescoped and nuanced acting into every angle of the camera and corner of the screen. It was a role that might be harder to play and easier to fail at, but it is also the one that öfters more opportunities to excel and make the portrayal of the character more rewarding.
The movie also talks about mental illness, depression . How as a society we r failing .we r losing humanity . Every single person is so rude and nobody thinks about what the other person is feeling . Joker is really thought provoking . It makes you question . It makes you think . It really is unlike anything I've seen in a long time .
Does it talk about people who just type "r" instead of "are" by any chance?
naa, im just playin'
@@eyedeasneverdie3348 You "r" a jerk. lol
@@ms.bubs4fun506 it was just a joke
The movie is a period piece. And portrays it well. Mental illness isn't stigmatized anymore. Hell everyone I know is taking our had taken anti depressants. We embrace it more readily now.
It just seems that way though.
Before the internet we only spoke to people within our own "neighborhood."
Humans are more aware of outside cultures more than before.
And it seems like common courtesy is breaking down. Customer service is nil nowadays. Saying thank you and you're welcome has gone out the door. Passing by others in a store or on the street people used to say excuse me instead of just barging their way past.
Idk what happened to simple manners but they are dwindling. People are more self-absorbed than they were in the past. It's sad.
Another things that ties into the limp is how he runs. A lot of actors would probably have made Joker run normally after years of wearing clown shoes, but Pheonix makes a conscious decision to have this joker run like he suddenly has feet that are 10 pounds lighter. Pretty small touch but adds a lot of reality to the character
I noticed that too. I would have to look to see if he was wearing the shoes. Most of the time he wasn't, but still ran like he had them on.
berubeacting yes his run is very consistent allthroughout. he runs like a kid, and it is a part of joker... and how his past made him
He runs like a clown, feet flapping and arms windmilling.
How about that odd purposeful walk in the subway to finish off the third Wall Street guy, though....
Facts bro this is legitimately legendary
Here's the 10th: When he finally feels like he's getting the attention he deserves in Murray's show, he thrives on it. He's relaxed, confident, and enjoying every second. He finally feels he's making a difference in the world, that people notice him. You see him embracing this in the moment his subway killings are reported, and slowly making this his new self.
A couple of things:
-Not Breathing: This is actually a real anxiety and pain response. It is probably linked somewhere in the "lizard brain" to playing dead. So, this may not be a calculated act by Arthur trying to calm himself, but one more way Phoenix is getting into the character by doing real responses.
-Color choice: It is basically the palette of the curtains and colors of the Murray show. I think this is more foreshadowing than anything. These color appear again and again to hint that he is becoming the Joker. The final act, walking through the actual curtains in full Joker outfit, symbolizes that he has finally become the Joker fully.
-Dancing: Yes, Arthur does dance, but the "exaggerated" movements he is making appear to be Tai Chi forms--something he probably learned in either therapy or on TV as a means of calming and focusing--also common anxiety control practices.
I noticed that the gross details like chipped paints and yellowed whites started to stop appearing and small details stopped showing up. After Arthur became Joker, the images were pretty and colorful instead of bleak
From his footwork, posture and movements its more Ballet dancing most likely seeing it on T.v. watching Opera with his mother
When the Joker (Health Ledger) died , another joker rose from the ashes ....
much like a Phoenix.
LMF'S workout clips. Oooooh 🤯 love that
That put tear on eye 😢
underrated comment!!
Jared leto does not exist
Lol Health Ledger... ironic
"my mom died, I'm celebrating"
I fucking laughed out loud when he said that!! I thought it was hilarious 😂😂😂
Loreal Moss I did too. It was so casual. Love this movie.
The whole audience laughed throughout that entire scene in my theater.
@@Andy_Paris
I laughed way too much for my audience 😂😂😂
Barnabas Blackthorne McTavish We found a neckbeard ladies and gentlemen
does anybody notice all the water coming out of his fake flower after the first beating? it.a like life itself is flowing out of himself. such a brilliant movie
I noticed that
Florin Natu did u notice that he pressed the button that made it come out? because he thought it was funny. i didn’t even notice it but the director pointed it out in an interview
kyledamron I thought something like that happened. It was neat. Shows he used to being beaten up.
You only ever see that in cartoons, when a clown is down and out, their gag flower that squirts water for a joke/bit pours out and wilts....this movie has so much detail its insane
I hate when people look past stuff like this and say “it’s just a movie nothing more.” Those type of people don’t need to watch or talk about movies.
Right monsters aren't born they're made.
Mark Donald don’t tell me what to be. Smh. Your musty.
It definitely carries meaningful ideas and and speculations but when the masses are comparing themselves to a killer clown in potitive light, a lot of people freak the hell out and the movie's reputation is made worse
@Mark Donald of course. Not saying that isnt normal. I'm just saying people who havent seen the movie would not understand
Ok you’re musty
When the dwarf was insulted he laughed out of discontent.
Not just that, but his mimic laugh always seem to come across as mocking, sarcastic, and quite deliberately over the top. I felt that as he walked away laughing everyone else might have stopped to look at him and think, "well, what's his problem now? it was just a joke"
I agree, he was sarcastically and uncomfortably mocking the jerks for making fun of the other guy, under thinly disguised laughter
I thought so too, he likes the dwarf and he couldn't stick up for the guy so he got that uncomfortable anxious laughter. Was my impression.
That!
Same in the subway.
Notice how his laughter instantly stops when he's out of sight. I think he was pretending to have a good time to fit in.
Some say this movie may incite violence and though it’s an understandable concern The overwhelming message that I got from the film was that a little kindness will always go a long way.
Nathan Lee Same bro!
One of my former co workers had to clean up puke. Gave em a $5 tip. Because that's so sad.
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Same
I definitely got that vibe, too!!! Well said
Definitely going back to watch this masterpiece in the near future
Same here
People aren’t gonna like this, but here goes.
I think Joaquin’s Joker is by far, and I mean FAR better than Heath Ledgers.
I remember all the hubbub about how he “went crazy” preparing for his turn as the joker, but what we got in the movie was a really slick, morally ambiguous villain. He wasn’t really depraved or insane. A little too slick and unrelatable. I’m not saying he wasn’t good. He’s just second best now.
Joaquin’s Joker is hauntingly real. A truly chilling look at the psychopathy and mental illness that would create a monster like this. He’s relatable, but in that sort of way you don’t want to admit to.
Couldn't agree more..
I agree with what you are saying, but I also feel as though they can't really be compared because they are playing two different characters, different time periods etc. I love both of their portrayals :)
I mean Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker is more about the transition, and Heath Ledgers is about the full blown crazy Joker. For Ledgers Joker there is no history or much background for him to create a connection with normal audience unlike Joaquin’s
@@ahnaftahmid9115 you're right.. it's not really right to be comparing them .. in fact it's kinda redundant.
But as a person's own taste or opinion.. though I love Ledgers so much, Phoenix's version resonates with me the most ..
Joaquin did what Heath Ledger's Joker only claimed to do. In Batman the joker claimed that he was a man without a plan, but if you look at things like the bank heist and the bomb in the man he always planned ahead. Joaquin caused riots in Gotham without even trying.
Here's one not so subtle detail that makes Joaquin Pheonix's Joker incredible: Phoenix is an outstanding actor and right here they gave him the right material to knock it out of the park.
Yeah, he did already do great in I'm Still Here and Her, but Joker makes it impossible to NOT notice how good an actor he actually is.
Elf Sieben and the Master. The processing scene? Wow! 😃😃
He done it without influenced by his character as u know what I mean, he just an actor who give a big impact to the film, but in reality he was not effected by his character like others who play Joker
"Joker" shook me to the core. Never saw a movie as intense as that.
For him being a “mimic” I believe that to be a sociopathic tendency. They don’t really know how to live normally and learn through other people
Some of us even have multiple different styles of laughs resulting from all the mimicking.
There was a definite sense of Arthur performing every time he interacted with others, like he had to practice at being human.
I was thinking of the same thing, it also comes up in the show Dexter
@@user-qt3bh6xv2o socipaths use this to make people like them, they try to mimic as much of the body lenguage of everyone they talk to cause it makes people trust them more easily
Yeah, but mimic is supossed to be mostly a subconscious act, socipaths are totally aware that they are doing it
You knew it was downhill for this guy after he was getting hit with a sign he was carrying Everything Must Go
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Then they beat him over the head with it.......
I like the fact that his Joker actually swears, it's such a small detail and he rarely does it but it makes everything so much more realistic.
In the scene with Murray, where he's *really* emphasising the *Murr-ay* part, it's actually a callback to the hospital scene where he drops his gun in front of the kids. The way he says Murray is absolutely identical to "If you're happy and you know it say Hurr-ay". "Hurr-ay" is said at the exact moment he drops the gun, and it keeps playing while he's standing there trying to cover it up.
gawd damn yall were really makin good observations 2 years ago
Who wasn't cheering inside when Arthur shot the men who attacked him on the train?
I WAS.
@@AndrewLeonard46 Less bullies in the world, I can live with that.
@@AndrewLeonard46 Well I didn't mean out loud! You drunk?
@@LuxMeow yes, yes i am. I apologize 💕
I got super terrified and kinda relieved at the same time... Those buttholes also tried to harass the woman across and got happy and afraid that he just started laughing and knew they would turn their attention toward him instead of the woman... 😣😨
I hope D.C keeps with this really dark theme, this film was raw gritty depressing and very realistic! Take note D.C!!
Yes. More R rated films from DC. Leave the kid movies to marvel
Marvel who?
the dark and gritty tone worked because its joker. it makes sense that his movie would be like that. I just want movies that match the tone of the character. although it makes sense that villain movies would naturally be darker. I want to see a tragic Shakespearian Mr freeze movie or a gritty gangster Penguin movie. those would be cool.
yup
dark yes but edgy............please dont..please if you can just dont
And it's a vert visual film. You can mute it and still get the message.
*jazz music intensifies*
Which is why there was a nod to Charlie Chaplin when he was in the theatre.
@@ms.bubs4fun506 yeah, and the letters, reports, posters were a brilliant way to give exposition, just like cue cards in silent films
Yeah there is actually very little dialogue in this film compared to others of similar length. Phoenix's performance was far more visual than auditory which just adds to how well he did this character.
Yeah. I watched the subway scene without sounds and it still was a very powerful scene
It seemed to me that his dances are part of his transformation into Joker. From the first triple murder, he first does the dance and presents himself to the mirror as the Joker, right until his entry to the live show where he does his final dance to present himself to the world.
Agreed. His dance signals the defeat of Arthur Fleck and the rise of Joker.
This movie gripped me from beginning to end.
Send it to the Oscars.
The Oscars don't deserve such a masterpiece.
Lol, it does stay with you!
Joaquin Phoenix is a genius. I’ll never stop being fascinated with his performance in this amazing movie!
I was thinking the Joker suit colors style came from the talk show show curtains. As a suit and talk show curtains are an introduction of a person to others.
Well-noticed :)
No he got the suit from that security guard when he snuck into the rich people Party
I noticed that also good eye same pattern as the suit
@FaZe Gcam Is that where he got it? I was wondering exactly when he acquired the suit. I thought he kinda got it piece meal throughout the movie, but I wasn't sure.
@@TH3F4LC0Nx I'm not so sure my self I cant remember everything but he most likely did sense their really any scene showing he got that suit. I'll just rewatch the movie when it comes out.
This movie was an art film.
Best movie to come out in years
One of best films ever
So layered with so much deeply thoughtful details. The worst parts were perfect art. Easily one of the best at every point
@Seabass Cribel I agree with you absolutely a masterpiece
Masterpiece, true work of art!
The “emotional incest” between his mother and him was heart braking. He has no one but his reflection.
FTF.Eli it’s a phrase coined from a book Out Of The Shadows. A man describes how his mother liens on him for emotional support as if he was her husband. It’s a form of neglect.
True. Parental "emotional incest" has a psychology term "Enmeshment"....
@john mac well I think he killed her because he realized she was the reason he had his condition...she was responsible for his childhood beatings which resulted in his neurological disorder. She destroyed his life.
@@freddiemercury4evr yes she allowed him to be abused at the hands of her boyfriend and she lied to him telling him he had a condition that made him laugh when she knew all the time he suffered a traumatic brain injury from being beaten. She was the cause of all his pain and unhappiness. Right before he kills her he said he was never happy one day in his entire life. So very sad. Great scene.
@@contessa2465 Well,technically, the brain injuries cause him to laugh,so it is a condition that makes him laugh,but caused by beatings. Agreed on the rest.
Meanwhile, me:
**watching every video that has "Joker" in the title**
He also always run rising his feet too much, as if wearing clown shoes.
You mena he runs like a kid
What hurt me was the split second that he thought about shooting himself during the subway beating scene. It felt real because Arthur is just realizing what he's done.
He also mimics Charlie Chaplin's 3 spins from his movie, that Joker then does when he goes on the late night show
That is from Fred Astaire I am sure, the old classic movie he was watching, remember?
@@RougeJenny now I'm not sure, but you could be right
This guy is definitely the best Joker ever. His acting was a complete masterpiece.
i have a feeling this movie is going to make cinematic history, and im ready to be apart of this
+honeysana
Agreed.
I’m hoping the riddler is next up!! There’s so much they just opened up after this movie. Gonna change the way story’s get told and how villains deep character studys!! 10/10
Yeah the joker is inside the mind of a sociopath and the riddler would be bad ocd
I prefer Mr Freeze. A man vs the world. A tragi love story about a man that would do anything to save his love using diamond vs people's greed
Villains were always my favorite characters.
@Tybee Wait, but sociopaths are made while psychopaths are born. I think he IS a sociopath.
Yeah..I don't think joker is a sociopath. He has depression, anxiety mixed in with psychopathy.
God i gotta watch this movie Again its FANTASTIC !!
I already like Phoenix's more than Ledger's.
5x depth
It’s a shame that we didn’t get more of Heath. They’re both amazing.
Ledger was/is overrated. If it wasn't for his death people wouldn't be talking about him as much.. They gave his dead corpse Oscar out of pitty.
@@DjJokerr That is so wrong on so many levels. Ledger's Joker is insane.
@@DjJokerr couldn't agree more with you. His portrayal of the joker was good but nothing out of this world. It annoys me that there are many people in this world who have no own opinion and who simply jump on the heath ledger idolize train just because everyone else does it. Its also toxic how much some people adore heath ledger, its crazy, so many fanboys. If you say one bad thing about heath they take it so personally. Its pathetic.
I honestly think that this movie is a masterpiece specially at talking about such a hard topic: mental illness.
Regarding mental illness, I actually think this might be the most important film of the last 40 years.
I am 62 and it's the first time ever that I have walked out of a cinema at the end of a film and gone WOW! It was just incredible!
10 out of 10 I was amazed and left shaking when I left the theater😂😂😂
I was laughing every death and people kept staring 😂
Also, to add to the point of mimicry, Arthur notes in his book during the standup show that the successful comedian has slicked-back hair - something that he later adopts for the Murray Franklin Show. This movie had SO many great little details
Firstly, this video is the closest thing to an analysis of how Joaquin Phoenix did what he did to be Joker. Outstanding!
Second, I'm owning this DVD when it comes out no matter what anyone says or thinks.
In his final makeup in full Joker costume he doesn’t paint a smile. He painted a smirk.
That one scene when he kills the guy with the scissors.... brutal af
"Have you seen what it's like out there? NO ONE IS CIVIL ANYMORE! Everyone is just yelling and screaming!" That part got me. Deep.
I felt sympathy, empathy all of that during this movie
I’ve watched this movie almost everyday for a month. Perhaps I have mental issues of my own, BUT I truly feel for the character. For me, what he has to say about society really hits home.
Some people asked why he killed Murray, instead of Wayne.
You can notice some childish tells because he had no father growing up. This happens when a child has no father to mirror behavior. He basically dreamed that Murray was a father to him. Imagine what it did to Arthur when he embarrassed him on television.
- His dreams to be a standup were crushed
- His imaginary father mockup him on live television
This is why the movie was so great, when I was watching it, kept noticing so many details I wanted to pause like reading the letters, but of course couldn't because it's in a theater, made a review on my channel praising it for this, the movie has so much rewatch value!!
I have to buy this on Blu-Ray when it comes out just to rewatch and pause at my leisure.
I know exactly how you feel. there are so many moments where you realize there's more to the scene then what is being shown, but you don't have time to analyse it and understand it before it moves on.
The one detail I found amazing was when he is entering the Murray Show and tosses his cigarette on the ground you can even see a hand grab it. Such a well done movie paying perfect attention to detail.
I never noticed that.? Wh
What do you think is significant about the hand grabbing the cigarette.?
That's show biz!
George Daniel Macgillivray Just that most movies don’t pay so much attention to detail and would forget something as simple as a hand.
Jafer Shah he made smoking cigs look cool lol not gon lie
@@litaf5104 the cigarettes are not there for being cool, they are the story of the film. You need to notice not how he smokes, but when he does it. And when he doesn't.
when you give me my oscar..can you introduce me as joker
And when he drew the infamous big smile of The Joker with the very blood of his wounded mouth at the end, right before he turned to the cheering crowd... a simple yet deep and brilliant metaphorical scene.
This movie and performance is one of those rare special ones that genuinely stuck with me I'm still disturbed and stuck by the film and Phoenix's incredible performance.
You missed the natural joyous laugh after he kills murry, that's the joker laugh.
One thing I noticed was that 'slow dance' in the bathroom was mostly Tai chi. Totally recognized it a bit from the PE course I did in collage. And it makes sense, considering him being commited at one point earlier. They might have taught some patients it for meditative purposes.
I clocked it as Tai Chi also.
So many subtle details.
I knew it. I figured he learned Tai Chi at some point as part of his therapy.
And Joaquin actually improvised that scene which goes to show how involved he was with the character. A total genius.
I didn't think Heath Ledger coud be outdone and he did amazing, but Joaquin Phoenix did it
Yes, I think he gave Heath Ledger a run for his money (RIP).
Heath Ledger was an excellent Joker in a superhero movie. Phoenix is excellent Joker in a movie with no heroes and as a study of a very broken person.
Agreed.
Keith Morrison Well said.
Agreed
Another thing I like is how all the 'normal' jokes people wanted to hear and found funny were sexual or rude, showing the decadence of our society
As kids we loved the heroes.
As adults we understand the villains.
While watching the movie, I felt this desperate need to hug Arthur. Like hugging him would just make things go away.
Another villainous Jaoquin Phoenix character smothering his parent to death 😂
Yes, good connection. Joaquin has both performed patricide and matricide on film.
Oh yeah in Gladiator...good one...he's so intense
Ambition ...
So end up watching third time, the people I like I took them on my expenses as a gift. Truely Art and Master Piece. Makes my Week.
I feel like phoenix’s portrayal was the awakening to the madness that personifies the joker character and ledgers was him comfortable with the madness....truly those two actors exceeded what we considered the joker!
Also very nice how he took subtle things from Heath to tribute him, and took other things to a new level.
This Joker is making a lot of cents
Yes. Truly violent and realistic. One scene with more impact than shooting a hundred people. And the guy crying...such a great movie on many levels.
Nicely done.
Marvel: Can we just wrap em up and have these Oscars to go?
Joker: Hold my smile.
There is no way we can judge this movie in stars out of 5.......it is beyond numbers and oscars it's a once in lifetime experience to watch this masterpiece on big screen.... Joaquin Phoenix is a legend.
I feel obsessed with this film and Joaquin's performance...Hope he receives an Oscar.
He’ll win. He has to. And he won the golden globe which is NOT ALWAYS but usually a good predictor
Another subtle detail. When he writes that iconic "The worst part of having a mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't.", He writes the first half with his dominant right hand and the second half with his left.
so the punchline is written with his left?
@@Lovelee123 yep.
@@clemondgriffin7551 the joke at the end, was it killing his therapist?
@@Lovelee123 it's all open to interpretation, but I would say no to that question.
@@clemondgriffin7551 what do you think it was?