They're Still Telling You Jayson Tatum Is NOT A Superstar
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2022
- Jayson Tatum has been playing at an MVP level a quarter into the NBA season. But some on ESPN still don't want to call him a superstar. Despite having led the Boston Celtics to the NBA Finals in the 2022 playoffs & winning the Eastern Conference Finals MVP, it's still not enough. The media would much rather anoint other players as superstars despite them not having achieved what Tatum has in his young career.
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There's no way a guy who can tell us how to tie a tie is not a superstar.
That video is goated 🤣
Underrated comment 😂💀
only reason i know how to tie a tie, man is a superstar
Now that is a damn throwback. 😂😂
Dude had 12 points against Jimmy buckets. Tatum not even the best on the Celtics 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He's the only person on their list that plays defense. Crazy how defense a part of basketball isn't accounted in superstar conversations
I know right casuals and the media pushed this bullshit
Facts
Facts
So are jimmy Butler and Paul George superstars ?
@@ImperialLemon they arent putting up numbers like tatum
I think the fact that Tatum has such a good team around him makes what he's doing more impressive. The offense isn't constantly being ran through him and he's still putting up those numbers.
Trust me Tatum getting plenty shots and being on great team makes it easier for him
@@Jerry-ht4yi you dont get it lol
@@MDHDH-iy7nm yes I do get it idiot 🤪
@@Jerry-ht4yi great team because of great player. I guess that what you mean. Lakers is filled with superstars still sucks. Warrior just win the championship still struggling. Nets filled with superstar, still struggling, great team? Yeah Boston have a great teamwork thats include Jayson and he is the one who putting the numbers.
agreed. he has lower usage than the other mvp candidates. he has less of the offense ran through him, less touches and still puts up comparable numbers. only steph imo is doing it better within the flow of the offense.
With Tatum's resume already and his MVP calibre play this year, there is no feasible way you can say he isn't a superstar. NBA media continues to be the worst and RJ needs to be called out for his flip-flopping and stupid ass takes more often.
He truly is a superstar dude, coming from a warriors fan
He’s been a superstar for two years now whoever doesn’t think so is blind especially this year it’s undeniable
Hoop heads know how good he is, but...he's still just a star.
A SUPER-star **is** a household name your grandma has to know even though she knows zip about ball.
@5:15 tooforwon used a bog-standard Ad Hominem fallacy by discrediting the argument only on the basis of his own pre-existing bias against _who is making the argument,_ and nothing else.
However wrong Perk was about something else doesn't make him automatically wrong about everything.
@@shaft9000 by that logic Giannis, Luka, etc aren't super stars?? 90% of grandma's couldn't even pronounce Giannis Antetokounmpo nor would most non active basketball fans know Luka.
@@shaft9000 Bruh that's such a stupid criteria. Most grandma's probably don't know who Luka or even Giannis. If they do know players it's probably just who is in the news, namely Kyrie for causing so much drama over the past few years, and not the best players. Your criteria is just so undefinable and nebulous that anyone could or couldn't be a superstar. A superstar is just someone who has the potential of carrying a sub-par team well into the playoffs; someone whose mere presence makes a team more dangerous, of which there are usually only 5 or 6 of in a season (Steph, Luka, Giannis, Tatum, Jokic, maybe Embiid but he's too injury prone, and that's it, neither Ja nor DBook can carry a team like these guys can.
@@shaft9000 my grandma knows lebron and steph, she does not know giannis and luka. Does that mean Giannis and Luka are not superstars? Such a shit criteria to use
@@crung For real. He sounds like one of those weirdos that goes around saying "on my mama" 24/7, or always saying "My grandma always says".
Straight superstar on both ends of the court
The media hates Boston sports in general for all the winning. We always have to force you to look this way but it’s undeniable at this point. The bruins and Celtics are dominating both their leagues right now 🤣
So true, always a bias against Boston. To many NY, LA media
Winning what? 😊😂😂😂
they (the media) can tell us he is the "next kobe", but somehow someone who got the nickname "next kobe" last season and go to the finals is not a superstar, like tfw said, they always move the goalpost
@@pggarcia6703 most sports championships by one city over the last 2.2 decades
@@pggarcia6703 titles
They can say he's not a superstar and I don't care as long as he keeps averaging 30ppg on like 20 shots and great efficiency and lock down defense.
Correct. The people who are asking "Is he is a superstar" or saying he is or isn't one can't even define what the word means, so it doesn't matter in the slightest.
Tatum is a superstar and Boston with Udoka out,they sitil playing grat.Its Giannis,Luka,Tatum...and Ja is not clouse to them.
As a Celtics fan, Tatum is playing like he did at the end of last season, where he usually picks up his play around the all-star weekend and at the beginning of the year they just keep talking about his shooting struggles in the Finals and how he couldn’t make contested shots in the paint, like a fractured wrist wouldn’t affect his shooting at all
He hasn't had shooting struggles this year bro
ESPN logic be like
“Zion could be a superstar, but can he host SNL though?”
THANK YOU for finally calling attention to this
The media picks who they want to be the faces of the league. Some consultant with a criteria running numbers determines who the media runs with. It's not about the body of work
Tatums tough road to getting credit for what he’s done is only gonna make a finals victory more sweet
Love this breakdown my boy 😤💯💯💯
It's kind of an ironic conversation. Is Tatum a top 5 player? Yes. But superstar status is basically being a "face of the league," both being a top 10 player and receiving a lot of media attention. That the media narrative surrounding him is this conversation - whether or not he is a superstar - is what is excluding him from that list in their minds.
I don't even understand that argument the man is on his bag of chips, that should qualify him as being a superstar, he Luka, and Ja are very obviously the new guard of the league.
I get the idea that you need to be "popular" in order to be a superstar but what come first? If the media refuses to label Tatum a superstar and keeps downplaying his talents then of course nobody is going to talk about him.
Tatum is one 9-11 players that actually deserves the superstar mantle
More like 6-9
No way you can say Morant is better than Tatum
Ja almost eliminated GS, while Jayson Turnover sacked Boston's chances to win the chip......
@@bingobongo496 as a player though tatum is beyond better come on
@@SHOWMEREAL are you serious; jayson turnover has the best guesting cast in the NBA unlike luka or Ja whom they have a less .500 team to lead......heck Jaylen Brown is better than him but he has the wrong colors to get the respect he deserves in boston,,,
if he was on th lakers he would be called the next GOAT playing like this
Ive been following the Cs for almost 20 years. It’s because JT is in Boston. Silver doesn’t want JT to set roots in Boston and play there for 10 more years.
And again, great work.
damn.... tatum became underated cause his meltdown... Lebron had a meltdown the same way in 2011... then became a new king and won his 1st ring.
Great video 🎉. Glad someone made this 🍀
“I’m glad he’s putting up historic numbers, but he’s not a superstar”
You can tell Tatum’s mom works in the courtroom because the way he was able to pressure Taylor Rooks with those questions and force her to contradict herself by just asking her to elaborate on every point she made was like a prosecutor
This one's a banger dude. Love it
Tatum is a 2Way superstar get it right 😅
I like how Tatum basically described it perfectly at the end of the video himself. Like you said, people conflate Superstar with all time great.
that is invalid, lebron right now is NOT superstar BUT he is all time great
@@stasisdan4451 his point is that people don't want to give players the superstar title just because they don't think that player will be an all time great
@@stasisdan4451 have you not seen lebron last night dropped 31! And had 39 2 nights ago! Literally avg 25 lebron is not washed at all he just had a slow start but is back
@@ttg8966 i didnt say he washed , he is still star but NOT superstar, also back in defense he is a CONE(he dont even try anymore to defende)
@@stasisdan4451 he does try, it’s just he’s not the defender he used to be.
Since we’re all giving our Superstar criteria… The 10 starting players in the All-Star game are Superstars.
Wiggins was a starter last year tho
W video from Tooforwon as always
WHAT DID RICH MEAN WHEN HE SAID “JOKIC IS NOT A SUPERSTAR OFF THE COURT???????” WHAT???
I do not understand the media, how in the hell is somebody able to put up 31 points 7 rebounds and five assist yet not be considered as superstar oh well, I guess their ignorance is bliss but goddamn this is just pure disrespect
another brilliant piece of work. This is brilliant 👌
STATS LIE
Superstar NEVER MEANT "stats"!!!
@@darrengordon-hill hes still a superstar tho😂
Love it man!
The fact that JT isn’t a superstar in these analysts eyes is baffling. It’s like if you don’t take the league by storm like luka and ja did you aren’t a superstar. Has ja or luka even gotten to a conference final and considered superstars is asinine.
Were JT a superstar, Boston would've drafted him first overall instead of removing that pressure from him
@@darrengordon-hill that's one of the most stupid sentences I've ever seen
If the mavericks stay at 500 for the season you can forget about Luca winning mvp...
BINGO....and last nights game against the Heat helped Tatum for MVP. They needed all 49 of them points to win. The Luka arguments gets weaker and weaker if his play doesnt equal wins
I hope they keep doing this though to add fuel to the Celtics run. I like the underdog story. Because when Timelord comes back and everyone is healthy, they're gonna be unstoppable. Maybe when they win the 18th banner this year they'll finally get the respect they deserve. So yeah, keep underrating Boston.
I feel to be a superstar, you have to be a potential face of the league type player / or multiple MVP’s and are proven / on pace to have a top 75 career in the NBA
Stop listening to Dick Jefferson 😭😭😭
Imo there are only 9 superstars
(in no particular order)
1) Giannis
2) Curry
3) Embiid
4) KD
5) Jokic
6) LeBron
7) Tatum
8) Luka
9) Damian Lillard
And 7 players on the verge of being superstars
1) Jimmy Butler
2) Tray Young
3) Devin Booker
4) DeMar DeRozan
5) AD (consistency issues)
6) Ja Morant
7) Donovan Mitchell
Honorable mentions include Kyrie Irving, Bradley Beal, James Harden, Jaylen Brown, SGA, Paul George and Zion Williamson
Players that are superstars (in no particular order):
Giannis
Luka
Steph
Tatum
KD
LeBron (not as much by play as by popularity rn tbh lol)
Jokic
Lillard
Embiid
Kawhi if he played
Players who are on the cusp:
Ja Morant
SGA
Zion
DBook
Jimmy Butler
Paul George
Trae Young
AD
D Mitch
great video as always, commenting for algorithm
This guy IS a superstar!!!! Jayson knows deep down in his heart of hearts he's a certified superstar!!!!
The Media don’t want to consider him a “Superstar” because his Agent isn’t with the CAA and he’s with the Celtics, a historically hated franchise nationally!
To me what separates a star from a superstar is just popularity/recognition
Yes it’s stupid
It’s quite hilarious atp 😂😂 this video was perfect. Tatum resume says superstar and they know it
BRO I'M THE GUY THAT TOLD YOU ABOUT THE SUB THING ON TWITTER, LETS GO
Did anyone else catch that ESPN literally said 3 out of 5 First Team All NBA players weren't Superstars, like how dumb are they?! 😂😂
Doesn’t matter what they say. They are clueless
Jason Tatum has his own flavor of potato chips how is he not a super star? 😂
8:40 is tooo funny 😭😭
Lebron
KD
Giannis
Kawhi
Curry
Luka
Lillard
Jokic
Embid
Tatum
These are basically untouchables And everyone else is a star or lower
I agree Ja gotta do more in terms of winning ppl crowning him cause of the way he plays & Kyrie fell outta superstardom after he became unreliable but you can say he is cause of his ring & clutchness I wouldn’t argue it
Anyone who says that Tatum isn’t a superstar just doesn’t know basketball…
I think the superstar Tier should just go by a pretty easy criteria as a baseline (This can be open enough that people can chose players that fit the mold) :
-Must be at least top 3 at your position
-Putting up All-Nba numbers (All-Nba matters more than All-Star)
-Leading or Have Lead a team to a top 3 Seed in regular season
-Being the best player on Their team (Whether or not their an outward leader leader aka, Durant and Kawhi)
-Have lead a team to deep Playoff run (At least To a conference finals).
People can fall out of superstardom if their play has fallen off for a long enough period of time. Because people seem to think that some players cant be Superstars because their are older ones still playing, and they dont want a big list. Even if those old players arent playing at that level anymore. What do yall think?
This is the list so far for Superstars Right now, let me know of i missed anything.
Fit Criteria 100%:
Jayson Tatum
Steph Curry
Luka Doncic
Giannis Ante.
Jokic
Lebron
Damian Lillard
Devin Booker
Trae Young
Kevin Durant
Jimmy Butler
Still widely considered superstars or rising superstars but missing criteria:
Embiid - (never made conf. Finals, but still plays at MVP level)
Kahwi - (Been unhealthy, but when healthy is MVP, and Championship caliber)
Harden - (Role and health are dimished. But at full health and locked in is MVP caliber)
Ja Morant - (Has yet to make a Conf. Finals but is still incredibly young, and is Capable of MVP Numbers)
Donavon Mitchel- (Yet to lead a team to a Conf. Finals)
Zion - (Low playtime due to health and yet to lead a team to Conf finals)
Shai Gil. - (Plays for low seeded team but Capable of MVP numbers)
This team runs it back with exact roster, HEALTHY. 🏆
the Luca shit is so overblown. dude is great, no doubt. wasted on a trash team, but the dude dont play defence like Tatum, dont get to the rack like Tatum either.
Tooforwon. You’re my boi and all but I can’t let you get away with calling Ja overrated. 😂
WHAT YOU DO ON THE COURT MAKES YOU A SUPERSTAR. NOT SPONSORSHIP DEALS AND ADVERTISEMENT APPEARANCES
CRITERIA TO BE CONSIDERED A 'SUPERSTAR' IS :
1. YOU COULD WIN AN MVP, AND ALSO BE IN CONTENTION FOR MVP CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT AT LEAST 3-5 YEARS.
2. YOU COULD BE A CONSISTENT PLAYOFF PERFORMER (HAVE TO BE THE FIRST OPTION)
3. YOU COULD APPEAR ON MULTIPLE ALL-NBA TEAMS (FIRST OR SECOND TEAM)
THE ONLY SUPERSTARS IN THE LEAGUE ARE -
LEBRON
CURRY
DURANT
JOKIC
EMBIID
GIANNIS
LUKA
KAWHI
AD
TATUM (SOLIDIFIES WITH AT LEAST A TOP 3 MVP FINISH AND A GREAT PLAYOFF PERFORMANCE)
Twoforwon missed RJs point he said JT is like a QB for the Cowboys. Cowboys are famous in the 21st century for having amazing regular seasons but losing in the playoffs.
Jayson Tatum, is the best player, on the best team in the league. Said team, is being led, by said player to their best season in franchise history. Said franchise is the one of the biggest franchise in NBA history. But Jayson Tatum isn't a superstar
He's not a superstar. If you go to Croatia, or Japan, or Nigeria, the average person probly doesn't know who Jayson Tatum is. But they do Giannis, Steph, LeBron, or KD. Tbch, those are arguably the only superstars in the league. I think Americans have a problem calling everyone a superstar. Tatum is a star, NOT A SUPERSTAR
Honestly TV commentators generally have their heads up their asses. I head to RUclips where there are many excellent channels, like this one, that provide quality commentary and breakdowns.
Tatums been top 5 in jersey sales for years now, more than luka, ja, embiid giannis, kyrie. Not sure what the criteria is for off the court superstar but that seems like a pretty good one
Yeah I never understood how luka is a superstar and Tatum has had way more success
It’s wild when you actually think about it
Luka made the conference finals and puts up way better numbers against good teams with less help he is easily better than Tatum
@@Nightcrawler90210 there's a thing called defense
@@tomasigarza3852 Luka defender is decent not better than Tatum but still decent
@@Nightcrawler90210 and Tatum made 3 conference finals and made a nba finals what has luka done??
I saw a pole for whether or not he is one just the other day, and he basically passed with over 90% of the vote saying “yes.” Plus, if u didn’t think he was a SUPER Star after the finals, you better have changed that opinion after seeing how well he’s playing this season.
im tired of these nba analyst talking about this. they are clearly gatekeeping and dont want to give young guys the attention they need. the NBA NEEDS TO MOVE ON FROM THE LEBRONS AND KDS
I think superstars shouldn't be judged for past play and only play during this season. The people that fall under the umbrella of superstar for me (in no particular order) are Tatum, Luka, Curry, Lillard, Booker, Embiid, Jokic, Giannis, KD, AD, Mitchell, and SGA. They are putting up MVP numbers (some more than others). But this season their play has qualified them for superstar status in my eyes. Some stars in the league right now are Jaylen Brown, Lebron, Kyrie, PG, Haliburton is the closest to superstar with his insane passing, I think Trae Young is also a star close to being a super star but he hasn't had the best start to the season, could definitely see him being on the superstar list as the season progresses. There are definitely other star's i'm forgetting but I think this is pretty accurate of the state of the league.
Tatum was a star from his first day in the league. He BEEN nice.
Yessir
Superstar is a title you EARN! A title you EARN in the FINALS!!! If you don’t have a Finals MVP how can you consider them a superstar?? According to y’all Harden is a superstar 😭
Ok the difference between a super star, and just a star. Is longevity. Jayson Tatum is 100% a star. Give him a couple more years he’s a superstar.
I agree there’s not a lot of superstars in the NBA. You got what
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Steph Curry
Giannis Antetokounmpo
There’s really not much.
But if Jayson Tatum keeps playing the way he’s been playing, absolutely he’s going to be a superstar. But he’s only been in the NBA for the last couple years.
He’s literally doing EVERYTHING rn for him and his team….at only 19 cmon
14-15 out of 300 of the best players in the world and they still think it's a lot...
As a bucks fan, definitely top 3 in the MVP race, Giannis, Steph or JT/Luka. And top 5 in the league. Too bad he wouldn't win this year.
Also Ja isn't a superstar over JT. Just stop.
He’s the MVP man. I’m a Celtics fan but he’s putting up offensive number luka/Steph etc are whilst playing D and is the best player on the best team.
I'm sorry but if you think Tatum isn't a super star you stopped watching or seeing anything about the NBA in 2017
They say that about Book to
If Tatum isn’t a superstar b/c of having a great team then curry isn’t one
It’s ok
they hated on Kobe also.. till they couldn’t
Then kobe started stacking chips
"How is there only 6 Super Stars, and somehow Kyrie ends up there"..? Dude, Kyrie is literally one of the most skilled players this league has ever seen, he's by far a Super Star. And I genuinely agree with her, but I'd say maybe 8 or 9 super stars. There's a difference between super star and star. Like guy's like Mitchell, DeRozen, Booker, Beal, Lillard, Brown etc.. aren't super stars in my opinion. A Super Star is a guy that you just know is a lock for the hall of fame, and is head over heels, miles ahead of the competition. Like LeBron, KD, Curry, Kyrie, Giannis, Harden and now maybe Tatum, Luka and possibly Jokic and Embiid even though they bore TF out of me. But I'm with her for the most part.
How does first team all-nba not equate to superstar, not only the best players, but 1 guy per position
Ik he was diff bc he took James to a game 7 in his rookie season nd it was close……🤷♂️
It's because he's on the Celtics. The Cs are that team that everyone loves to hate and dismiss even though they don't even know why. It used to be a thing that bugged me, but now I just kindof enjoy it. Everyone can keep talking about how amazing every other team is, I'll gladly sit back and watch mine win 😏
That’s hilarious that they have Ja who’s done nothing over Tatum. It’s even crazier they’d mention JT having a supporting cast when Ja is the one who missed a bunch of time and his team had a crazy record in that time. They literally had segments debating if Grizzlies were better without Ja because of it. Just blows my mind…
Real superstars don't text dead superstars cell then fail in the playoffs spectacularly
Yeah while being injured plus that was his favorite player rip Kobe
Ppl will go out of their way to see Ja. My wife and mom know Ja. They are not NBA fans. Same w Luka.
Who are your superstars right now?
Mine?
In no particular order. Tatum, Joker, Lebron, Booker, Giannis, Durant, Curry, Embid, Luka, Dame, Butler.
Some borderline guys that could be at some point: Trae, Mitchell, Ja, Lavine, Beal, Garland, SGA, KAT, Murray x2.
Some recent ones that have fallen off but could possibly get back are Kawhi, Harden, Kyrie (ignoring offcourt BS), George, CP, Davis, Gobert.
Boy said what for Kyrie Irving damn bro if u don’t think Kyrie Irving a superstar u smoking dope on & off the court he’s talked about when he was with Nike his shoes was saleN he had movies 🍿 superstar goes beyond the court it’s the overall effect don’t let the media sway u to not think he’s not he’s also a Great human being only player that does for The community 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Obviously “they” shift the goalpost because “they” are different people with different criteria💀
Superstar is a loose term. Some people view superstars are like world wide recognizable faces, some people view superstars as like the cream of the crop players. Jokic doesn’t fall into that popular guy fit but he’s one the best 5 players in the league. Then vice versa for Kyrie. He’s more popular than most people you would put higher than him in player rankings.
It’s crazy how much disrespect he gets
Look at the proof AGAIN. Jaylen brown had 35 in their toughest game yet 🤷🏾♂️. Jt had 15? This is what kills me the most w his narrative. Like his own teammate is actually better 😂
Why would anyone listen to someone who thinks Kyrie is better than Damian? That person is DQ’ed from talking about the NBA.
Can’t stand ESPN.
Tatum literally answered taylor rooks perfectly, if nba players say there are more than 6 superstars than they are more than 6 superstars
Bruh your not bugging. Just look at how they are covering the Celtics in the media. Sorry I forgot the media only covers drama and hot takes on useless comparisons that have nothing to do with the best team in the league hands down. I have never seen so much hate.
The fact that they asked a girl what a Male basketball superstar is . Thats all you need to know,
They straight up love to hate on Boston/Tatum for whatever reason. Not surprising at this point. But JT will prove em all wrong 🍀
All-Time Greats (still playing)"
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Steph Curry
Kawhi Leonard
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Chris Paul
MVP Candidates / A.K.A Current Superstars (Does not include those who previously were Superstars at some point):
Jayson Tatum
Luka Doncic
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Steph Curry
Stars (In no particular Order):
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Devin Booker
Demar DeRozan
Joel Embiid
Ja Morant
Nikola Jokic
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Jimmy Butler
Jaylen Brown
Brandon Ingram
Zach Lavine
Chris Paul
Dame Lillard
Donovan Mitchell
Kyrie Irving
Anthony Davis
Zion Williamson
Russel Westbrook
Paul George
I love that you rip these shows like NBA today for the nonsense they spew man. this is ridiculous