Luka Doncic Is Falling Into The James Harden Trap
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- Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2022
- Luka Doncic has had to do everything for the Dallas Mavericks to win games. The offense is similar to what James Harden was asked to do for the Houston Rockets. More people are now starting to criticize Doncic for not getting his teammates involved and have also suggested that his career arc will be just like Harden's time in Houston.
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Honestly that analysis is right on the head, luka is not going to win anything but conference finals or second round exit's if the whole west is healthy, his talent alone just like lebron and harden can take u close but its about winning not just putting up numbers thats why he wont win anything he can win a league mvp thats about it
Exactly my point. A lot of people get upset (as expected) that I would compare the two when all I'm saying is that no matter how great Luka's numbers are, he most likely won't win playing this style of basketball with Dallas. And he'd have to control his destiny like LeBron did earlier in his career to win in a better built roster.
Luka needs a player like Kyrie. It's gonna be LBJ & Kyrie 2.0 lol yeh he does need help atm .
But , u never know! Giannis did it! God-did!
A lot of good role players come out nowhere because there's opportunity. It's hard to develop with the mav current play styles. Good role player would most likely regress instead with their current system.
Luka is different level...high IQ level....game is not dunk and jump like the monkey....you dont know shitt!!!
@Martelina Almissa lol, my friend i know basketball, u sound like a 10 second fan, regardless dont matter how gifted he is if you dont have team chemistry to get those other guys involved consistently through a 7 game series you not winning shit
This is not a player issue, this is a management issue. The Mavs need to step up and get this man the tools he needs to get a chip.
They have been adding pieces. Just need to keep adding players.
If you actually pay attention you would know this how Cuban puts teams together. Dirk in his prime was playing with absolute nobodies.
@@piccolo5346 yup, i say if luak doesn't win a ring in 5 years he should leave, luka is the guy that wont settle for 1 ring, i would say he would want 3 and the mavs by now should have gotten the pieces to help him but they aren't even close
They broke rn bc of the kristaps sh it
That's probably true, but he didn't get along well with his last running mate (who's now showing more offensive game in Washington). That's probably on KP more than Luka, but it's sometimes to keep an eye on.
Before I watch the video, I'd like to mention that Doncic raises his game in the playoffs and Harden tends to regress. Houston could have easily gone to the finals had it not been for historically bad performances by Harden at key moments. Let's see if this is mentioned.
also compare the teammates the had LOL
Harden took the Prime Dynasty Warriors to 7 meanwhile Luka couldn't even get a game against a much older watered down Dynasty Warriors.
@@piccolo5346 thats really bad framing. Luka is way younger. Hes proven to be way more successful at comparable ages. Also, there's no way bullock would be a starter on those prime rockets teams, perhaps not even a bench player. While the team structures are similar, the talent difference is
Significantly in the favor of those rockets teams.
Doncic current IQ and manipulation of defenses is on a prime lebron and jokic level, heights that harden never quite reached. Mavs are currently leading in most open 3s generated [4 feet a d beyond] and it is almost all a product of Luka making the correct decisions.
@@illDefine1 You typed out an entire essay just to not prove him wrong
@@gwenzhead566If you conflate a paragraph with an essay, maybe you should let the adults handle this conversation. If youve made it this far into the text, im proud of you for having the attention span to read for 10 seconds.
The funniest thing is that no one wants to talk about his teammates. Bullock and Hardaway are shooting below 30% on catch and shoot threes. I think Luka only needs shot creators that can play off ball.
Or maybe NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY WITH HIM...
AI, LeBron NEVER drew talent in
Maybe those are the best players Dallas can get til Luka proves better
@@darrengordon-hill Wade, Bosch, and AD (at the time) aren't talent?
@@darrengordon-hill delete your comment g
Or maybe Luka can learn to NOT hog the ball for 20 seconds every possession and Jason Kidd and learn to involve Christian Wood every once and awhile.
They not catching and shooting wide open often.
His teammates are literally all shooters except for dinwiddie and wood. Dinwiddie can’t be that second guy and JKidd doesn’t play Wood. The mavs are built to be a three point offense but they literally can’t shoot. Luka gets his teamates involved plenty. Jkidd said it best the mavs missed 25 uncontested threes against the raptors last night. No other team in the league is getting 25 uncontested threes in a night.
Except prolly the lakers😭
Christan wood can actually create a shot without luka tho and plays defense
I agree. Though there is a debate as to whether or not Luka's usage rate leads to his teammates shooting 'cold' from lack of involvement. If you play basketball, you know it's difficult to shoot when you haven't touched in the ball in a while.
@@illDefine1 they do get loads of shots and there is loads of movement. They just cant make shots.
Wood is a third option on a championship team. He's their 2nd best player. Finney-Smith is the only other Mav who would start on a contender (decent shooter, best defender on the team, doesn't turn the ball over). Until the Mavs have a legitimate second option, they aren't going anywhere.
Look at the Warriors last year. Steph is a great first option. Klay is a great 2nd option. Wiggins is a great 3rd option. Draymond is that wild effort-and-defense -type guy every contender needs and he's a great facilitator and rebounder (probably the 2nd most important guy on the team, behind Steph). And they had the perfect blend of roleplayers. So far this year, they got rid of some key roleplayers and Klay & Dray are starting to slow down due to age & injury. They could heat up in the 2nd half; vets tend to do that.
Look at the Bucks' recent title team. Giannis is a superstar. His team was deep and well-balanced with a great defense.
Now look at the Mavs. Their superstar, despite being one of the most skilled guys to ever play the game, whines and bitches and pouts all game and leads by setting a poor example quite often. Not exactly leader material. We forget that Jordan was a cancer to his team the first 7 years in the league, despite being a god on the court, so Luka could figure it out and grow the hell up. Wood is a solid 3rd option. Dodo is a solid guy. Diniddie would be a great 6th man. Josh Green could develop into a solid guy -- still really inconsistent now. Everybody else should be coming off the bench or on a different team. They're not contenders. They signed Kemba Walker. If he can play like it's 2018 (healthy and doing all the things he did before he got hurt), he could, maybe, be that decent #2 guy the Mavs need, for a season or two (when age & injuries finally retire him from the league). Possible, but really unlikely. More likely, he's going to limp along, play in a few games, and disappear at the end of the year.
The crazy thing is that Luka's assist average should be 2-3 more since his teammates miss so many easy buckets
Fr bullock and hardaway can’t score anymore
He literally does get his team involved though. Like look at his assist numbers. He just wants to win every game, and so he's going to do the best strategy to win every game. If Dallas want him not to do this, they need to get more players who can create to an elite level.
His team is very inconsistent and they need betters starters . How is Reggie Bullock still a starter and can’t score 6 pts
So did harden. He is harden 2.0 and like harden he will absolutely need more help if they really want to succeed long term.
@@wuzi7049 Probably. He is a different player than harden and Russ though, and Just because those guys couldn't make it work doesn't inherently make it unworkable. They absolutely should make some moves, but even if they don't he COULD still make it work.
just because you get an assist doesn't mean you're involving them, he dribbles all possession and if he can't get a bucket he dishes it off.
Assists don’t necessarily mean getting your team involved. You can pass a lot, give up the ball and not get an assist.
You can hold onto the ball for the majority of the shot clock, pass it into a bad shot late in the shot clock and get an assist.
It’s one of the worst stats in professional sports.
I don't agree. Doncic is simply playing to their roster's strengths and offensive gameplan. Since brunson is gone, they are lacking shot creators and playmakers. It's just spot up marksmen. So their best offense is having luka bully guards for easy post up buckets, draw doubles, kick it out. He's not dribbling the air out of the ball for a step back every possession like harden did!
True but Dallas roster is a mess now so it is tough to draw any meaningful conclusions out of this. Both Luka and Harden reached WCF but Harden had better shooters, legitimate second superstar, two elite 3&D wings, great lob threat and rebounder in Capela. Overall last season Mavs look like store brand version of 17-18 Rockets and this season they are even worse. If this is really what the management is going for then this franchise needs a slap in the face. But Luka is a competitor, if he needs to maintain PER of 45 to make his team be good then he will do it, it is on the management to find him a team who can shoulder some weight too.
Jason Kidd's used up system also doesn't work anymore. Either he changes how they play or he should go.
I think Luka is a early cavs James the question is just if he also can become the heat version of james.
Edit: Damn A.M. Hoops had the same idea lol!
Without the DPOY level defense and elite athleticism and off ball movements *
@@Anthonydu01630 You had me until off ball movement. And Luka is a much better shooter
@@franknbeans2623 what? LoL
Doncic is an awful shooter wtf u talking about
And what about off Ball movement are you saying is wrong?
@@jagray3269 He isn't an awaful shooter stop with the lies yes he has to impove his effeciency but he's not horrible
@@jagray3269 I'm talking about when you take a basketball and throw it toward the rim (the part the net hangs from) with the intent of making the ball go through the net. It how you make points go on the score board during a game. Luka is good at it
If luka had a superstar next him we all know the mavs would be favorites in the western conference
🤣🤣🤣
I don't know about favorites, but they'd be a contender.
But the burden of being a superstar is context free judgment.
When Giannis had depth around him, but not 16 game players and didn't win a ring, they said he just wasn't that guy.
Kawhii won a ring on a team with 3 post prime players who could still bring it in the playoffs and got a ring. He went to the Raptors who had the leadership and depth, but not the superstar and won a ring. Nobody questions if the quality depth around him plays a part.
having a superstar next to him wouldnt matter cuz he would just hog the ball if u want to build a champ team around him get a bunch of 3 and d players
Who do you recommend? What allstar?
Your assuming that Luka will share the ball with another star. One thing to kick out for shooters another to stand and watch another guy run whole possessions and get credit. Luka isn't that guy. He proved that
I hate this comparison because its not a fair look at Harden's time with the Rockets. Harden did everything he could to take his team far in the playoffs despite his playstyle and his best chances at a finals appearance he faced the KD Warriors twice. Most players have a 2 year window to make it to the finals being the #1 guy and sometimes theres just a team / player that's just better and theres nothing you can do. Look at Malone, Barkley, Dominique, Stockton, all studs but ringless because of 1 man / team. Stop the precognition and just enjoy this chapter in the NBA yall
One of those times KD was hurt and they lost at home in game 7 WITH cp3. 0-21 on 3s for a stretch is why they lost.
Is harden the only star in every team he move
its only been like 4 years for him into the league
give him elite teammates and we judge then
what this tells me is at worst luka is a first ballet hall of famer, and at best he'd go down as one of the best to ever suit up
@Yessuh I’m him you know the league is only 76 years only and theres just 50 first ballet hall of famers, it's pretty infamous to get snubbed Iverson did
People tend to forget that this is basketball, it's not boxing. In order for you to win, you obviously need help from reliable shooters, pure scorers, all star caliber no matter how great you are. Let's see until Luka paired with other all star players, and then let's start from there. But for now, with the current teammates he has, I don't think it does make a comparison.
One player can go out and score 40 points a game but it doesn’t matter if his teammates aren’t playing good hard defence, how do you get players to do that? Get them touches on the offence, when they miss they play harder on d to make up for it, when they score they get adrenaline boosts and play harder on d because they are more “hyped” up
Don't disrespect Luka by comparing him to Harden. Harden at 23 was a budding star with potential. Luka at 23 is a consensus top 5 player in the world and MVP candidate. Different worlds bruh
Facts, people literally forget that Luka is a generational talent
@Yessuh I’m him Are you brain dead? Mavs went to the Western Conference Finals just last year after beating Jazz and Suns ... lost to the eventual NBA champions.
I think you are just a fool that hates Luka ... but that's your problem. Look in the mirror. 🤣
@Yessuh I’m him he was in the conference finals lol wym fool
His teams ass lol Harden always had great teams
I mean those people have a point tho but luka can really change that overtime
You see what happened yestarday when his teammates got more invloved... They lost to a pretty bad team and players were afraid to event try some shots. Give the guy a proper Nba roster and you'll see what happens.
It's an interesting conundrum, because if he doesn't get players regularly involved they can't ever be ready to meet the moment either.
Just looking at the moves the GMs made since they got Luka makes me doubt he will have a proper roster around him though.
Honestly wth is he supposed to do there are no other ball handlers on the mavs that can take the load off it’s up to the coach Jason Kidd to put in a different offense that will allow everyone to get touches n move the ball n it’s up to the front office to bring in players that can take sum responsibility off luka u can’t say Luka is falling into a trap when that’s the only thing he can do
Run an actual offense. Every team in the nba does it. So can the Mavs.
@@kyongju8328 but that’s the point the coach needs to put it in
@@kyongju8328 Mavs statistically generate the most open shots in the league. The system is not the problem.
Mavs lost Brunson -- who is a legit playmaker -- and made ZERO effort to replace him. Dallas just has bad ownership and managment -- especially now that Cuban has fired Donnie Nelson Jr. It was the Nelsons who provided ALL the good decisions the Mavs organization ever made in the last two decades. Not going to happen now.
@@randygraham926 bruh, Donnie made WAY more bad decisions than good ones. Sure he had some great moves but he fumbled so often.
When people say Luka is a ball hogger LITERALLY tells me they don't watch Luka nor the Mavs so I'm not interested in the criticism.
I think the biggest problem that luka has is that the Mavs haven’t been able to surround him with the right players, they keep trading for role players and some low level star. Luka needs a second star on his team that can take some of the ball handling away from him. He currently has nobody even close to what cris Paul was for Harden
chronicles of judah called the Luka/Harden comparisons back in his rookie year
Steven A. Smith: "that man...should put the fear of GAWWWD in any of the teams faces"
this one killed me, i don't know why 🤣 ☠
The heliocentric system is generally not a winning system -- LeBron is the only exception because he joined up with top 5-15 players to do it, and even then he has a losing Finals record. I'm no coach but it seems like something you should only run until you've developed team chemistry and can run more player and ball movement.
Need the clip of Shannon saying Luka plays like Bird, and uses the statline to make his case 🥴🤣🤣
Luka only pass when he has no choice 🤣
If Luka doesnt change his playstyle and body drastically, he just wont ever win anything
It's COMICAL to compare modern stats to past eras!!
From "pace of play" to "what counts as an assist"
Luka getting "post ups" in an era without bigs... AI hit the floor after almost every shot
A great video thank you
No he isn't, bc James Harden has actually had a team around him multiple times throughout his career... The problem with Harden is he disappeared in the playoffs sometimes, CP3 dragged him to a conference finals with clutch shot after clutch shot
I think Lukas situation is more like 2000s Lebron. An extremely talented player who carried his team deep in the playoffs with barely any help. If you take luka out of the mavericks they are worse than the rockets. Also unlike harden he shares the ball and gets better in the playoffs. Harden couldn’t do what luka did against the suns. I think luka is a big selfish seeing how he was unwilling to share the ball with kp but he can change. He is still a young player and can realize what he has to do to win championships
harden avg about the same assist per game -_- and your right harden couldnt beat the suns like luka because he wouldve beat them in 4 you cant compare 2016-2019 harden to luka, harden is miles ahead of luka
Before 2022 the east has never had a better winning record than the west.. east was so weak that in 2007 only 2 teams had 50 plus wins, and then superstars and all stars in the east teamed up to worsen the situation even more for other teams on the east.. so it's unfair to compare Luka and his situation right now..
Harden literally had an assist title in 2015 i believe he averaged 11 assists, this season he average 10, just like last season and even when he averaged 36 and 34pts he had 7.5 assists
@@themanwithawarmpillow4134 hardens assists in my very uneducated opinion feel more like stat padding rather than actual playmaking and creating for teamnates
@@themanwithawarmpillow4134 he would’ve went 2-11 in game 7
Depth is key to success. With 15 players per team, the reason not to have viable options is management.
He needs to start pushing his way out of Dallas. Cant waste another 5 years playing with that Gleague roster.
Luka gets so many open looks for everyone, one of his most impressive skills is his passing and ability to use his gravity to leave his teammates wide open. But ofc, his “shooters” can drop 5pts-10pts with 2-6 threes (reference to 3 games ago) and no one bats an eye. hes trying man maybe if his teammates didn’t suck they’d be better🤷♂️🤷♂️
Comparing Harden to Luka is just disrespectful lol Luka shines in big moments, Harden always chokes. Luka runs the entire offense and Harden just played iso ball and abused the free throws
Bro has no help and is 23, it's ok by 28 we should be worried. When they get this man help and he still fails? We should be worried, other then that let this man rock
Harden and White Harden are reliability on playoffs defensive end. Opposing team players feasting on these matadors to get easy buckets. Simply blow pass by these windmill caricatures to get either lay up or to easy passing up to team mates to get pts.
CoJ144 called on LD being a right handed Harden years ago, and in the history of the NBA, how many people won titles while having a ball dominant wing/guard?
Lebron, Kobe, D-Wade, Jordan are all ball dominant wings/guards
@@PyroMiniYak I should have said, in the proportions of what Luka is doing or Harden did.
Chronicles of Judah was correct. Nobody has won in that style of play
He’s literallly advanced further into the playoffs almost every year he’s been in the nba. May I remind you he is barely approaching his prime. A dumb label to put on him when he’s already an mvp candidate at a younger age than most mvps in nba history
He’s not falling into a Harden trap, but rather an early LeBron on the Cavs trap. Where he’s playing out of his mind but management isn’t capitalizing on it with a solid team around him.
Harden had great teams multiple times, it was his own play style that prevented them from going any further.
Do a video ranking the supporting cast members around the best player on each team, the Mavericks would rank near last.
Y'all acting like he been in the league for 10 years, he still got plenty of time to win multiple championships and he will
Luka never played with KD, russel or kyrie or joel embid or chris paul or dwight howard, if you give luka even a margin of the mates harden had hes gonna win a ring. idk why we are talking abt a player not being able to win when he havent had an all-star mate and is 23 form god sake if luka has better mates he wont be as ball dominant and the mavs or whatever team he plays on will win
unfortunately now luka has had a 60 point triple double😂
The thing is he has to score every time cause the roster fucking sucks they’re gonna really regret not signing Brunson he was the perfect 2 for them
yall trippin... Luka knows how to win.... He won in Europe... He knows what it takes. He just needs help. Main difference between Harden n Luka is their past. One knows how to win it all from past experience and was a leader of national team but the other didn't. Comparison is adequate but can't say it yet!
Let's blame the 23-year old player as opposed to the blockhead owner, incompetent GM, or his current coach. Mavs lost their 2nd best player when Brunson went to the Knicks -- where his Dad is a coach. NY also offered Jalen a big contract, which Mavs didn't even attempt to match. The brainiacs who run the Mavs made ZERO effort to replace Brunson with another playmaker, leaving Luka as the only player on the team who can create shots for himself and his teammates. Dinwiddie can create shots for himself but isn't a point guard.
Rest of the guys on the Mavs roster are catch and shoot players -- or dunkers. Some of them can't dribble and most of the "shooters" aren't consistent.
Christian Wood was a good addition but can NOT replace Brunson -- so the team is now worse than it was last year. Goran Dragic wanted to play with Luka but the Mav's brainiac owner didn't want him.
Mark Cuban is the same owner who let Steve Nash walk away from the Mavs for nothing -- refusing to match the Sun's offer -- because he didn't think Nash was that good. Nash went on to win TWO MVPs while playing for the Suns. Brunson may not be Steve Nash but the whole situation is eerily familiar if you know the history of the Mav's organization.
Anyway, Mavs now 1-7 on the road and would not make the playoffs if they started today. Mavs just have too many mediocre players filling up the roster; Bertans getting paid 16 million and Hardaway Jr. 20 million -- so lots of money tied up in non-productive players. Brunson looks like a bargain compared to these guys.
If Luka gets hurt this team will be competing with the Rockets and Spurs for Victor Wembanyama. And they might not make the playoffs even with him. 🤔
Luka might win the scoring title because he's going to have to put up big scoring numbers with this weak bunch to keep them in games, but this is not a team going anywhere in the playoffs. Don't think this owner and his new GM are competent to build a good team around Luka.
If he's smart he'll play out his contract and go somewhere else with competent management if he ever hopes to win a title.
Anyway, it's all Luka's fault. 🤣
Dallas surprised everyone against the Jazz last year whithout Luka. Goes to show he doesnt need the ball every second
They had Brunson then. Management let him walk away and did NOT replace him. So Mavs worse this year. Luka and Brunson played very well together.
no really that says way about the jazz than anything else.
The other thing to keep in mind is just how much better the supporting cast on those harden rockets teams. D Howard, Westbrook, cp3 and then some. Luka HAD jalen Brunson, and has dinwiddie (who’s a good player) but ya know…
On a side note Kidd needs to give Christian wood more than 25 minutes a game. I know he’s not a great defender, but he can at least be counted on for steady buckets
Yes, plus the fact that Harden asked for those players then decided he didn't want to play with them. That cost draft and trade capital that could have been used elsewhere.
No one wants to play second fiddle to a ball hog. Ask Brunson and KP
Okay put luka on those rocket teams they’d probably have a ring lol
@Yessuh I’m him your not him nigga.
The narrative that he's not good on defense is trash, it only tells me people are not watching the games properly. He's putting a lot of effort on it this year but could still be better.
He gets killed on D. Wood is horrible too hence why Wood and him can't stay on floor together.
I love Luka, he can carry an entire NBA offense by himself due of his immense skill, passing and IQ. But I did quietly have the same criticisms over the past two seasons as I didn't think the basketball the Mavs were playing was sustainable and it would only lead them so far deep into the playoffs. Luka is the main and pretty much only offensive creator for this Mavs team and while you can make good arguments for the Mavs roster not being talented enough to allow for a more team orientated offense, having Luka be the only player who can initiate offense throughout the regular season may not lead to consistent title runs which is what Luka's talent warrants. I'm not too worried as Luka is a generational player with an extremely high competitive almost fearless presence on court. He's still very young and will no doubt win championships in his career. But it is a valid concern to see him being relied upon so much as the sole playmaker for his team
Man even I faced the same dilemma. I started watching NBA just for luka magic. But the team depends too much on him. When he passes his teammates brick their shots. If they made thir shots every night he would have 15 assists per game thats just how to-the-point passes he makes.
And one day the guy rests, mavs lose to the worst team in the western conf. I often feel frustrated like what the guy is supposed to do.
I think he might become like kobe who judged people based on their motivation for the game(might be wrong?).
So you saw bullock THJ and DFS shooting career lows and blame that shit on Luka…..be serious yal just hate the nigga
Hey thats a good point at the end, about he should ask others to join him.
Harden had a rough last season but he's shown he wants to win a ring in Philly
Man's still got it
What was described as the Mavs offense centering around one player having the ball constantly to the point of hindering the overall team's development is exactly what lebron has been doing since his second season, to the point that fan perception of both Chris Bosh and Kevin Love is that they were faux superstars or second tier guys when in reality they were among the best in the NBA before having to change their entire games to fit how lebron plays. It was so bad on the Cavs that if he wasn't on the court, the team was barely functional because the entire offense ran through him touching the ball constantly, and when he was removed it all became discombobulated and broken. Then ESPN talking heads use that to disparage his handpicked team and absolve him of any blame. Conversely, if Kyrie keeps the pace he's had for these last 8 games with the Mavs, I think it's clear that Luka doesn't have this issue. Kyrie is down in scoring by .5, but his assists are up 1.5, FG% is up 4, and 3 point% is up 5. Luka's usage is a little bit up from what it used to be, but the Mavs also lost Brunson, who was an offensive engine for them, in the offseason. I think Kyrie can make up for both Brunson and Dinwiddie though, and if they are able to keep Kyrie they should look for some replacements for DFS and a center who's good in the paint on both sides of the court to go with Wood at PF. That's a team that could win the championship.
The discourse around Luka on Twitter & in the national media is COOKED. Folks just being loud & wrong. Luka’s got 1 other player on his team that can dribble, they lack basic NBA skillsets; can’t pass/create/make decisions/etc, but the narrative is that Luka’s selfish, that he needs to get his teammates more involved, it’s his fault they’re shooting bricks. It’s insane. Also why is anyone trying to say a 23 yr old is the same as 30 yr old prime Harden? He’s too young for that AND we’ve never seen him with anywhere near the caliber of talent that Harden has had. He’s doing what he has to for them to compete, save the judgements until he’s older & we see what he looks like with more talent. He’s 23, let him breathe
I feel it's a bit of a stretch comparing them at Lukas age right now. And on top of that, luka has accomplished more already than harden has in my opinion with this inconsistent team he has. Only time can tell.
What are luka's accolades compared to Harden?
@@jbeez_theahch Doncic pretty much won everything outside of the NBA as a goddamn teenager
Harden has an mvp .. what does luka have?
Luka hasn’t done anything compared to harden
If putting stats are the accomplishment sure. However, Harden invented himself from 6th man into an NBA MVP winner. Its so egregious that Westbrook needed an entire season of triple doubles to outmatch him. Its ok to think Luka is good but don't meat eat him.
But that style of play was effective with the rockets. It’s not that style. It’s the fact that harden disappears in the playoffs. Doncic does the opposite. That’s the most obvious and important difference between them.
That style was only really effective in 2018 when he was paired with CP3
There’s things Luka has done that Harden could never do because he is not an elite playoff performer. He is much more efficient, durable, consistent, and he has different level of drive. No all time greats have won the chip at his age unless they had a prime all time great on their team. This is way too early to slander him about this when he still carries in the playoffs and only gets eliminated by top 5 superstars on good teams
Respect for shouting out other NBA channels.
man that thinking basketball comparison was to accurate james harden;
the mavs could have been legit final contender if they kept jalen brunson
because they could have perfect team for luka
KP did not like playing with him. Wood is gonna ask for a trade. Brunson was the key last year. Have said for years he plays like James.
Wood said he loves playing with Luka. It's the coaches not using him that's gonna make him want to leave.
Harden took a lot more threes than Luka. Harden didn't post up much, and Harden didn't shoot as many mid-range. And prime Harden is nothing to be ashamed of anyway, especially when unlike Harden, Luka maintains that level in the playoffs. Also at Luka's age Harden was playing on a team alongside two other future MVP players and they still couldn't win it. Luka dribbles the clock down not because he has to, but because that is part of the Mavericks strategy to keep the pace extremely slow. Harden in contrast played for D'Antoni, whose offensive schemes are known to inflate some players stats.
KP did NOT request a trade so that's nonsense. Both KP and Luka were surprised by the trade. The main problem with KP was he was injured a lot. Kidd had him much more involved in the offense. Dinwiddie is pretty good but Mavs should have got a lot more for KP than Spencer. (Bertans is way overpaid.)
Wood is thrilled to be out of Houston and getting more passes. Brunson got to be primary playmaker much of the time in Dallas but Knicks hired his FATHER, Rick, as a coach -- and offered him a lot of money. Mavs failed to even try to replace Brunson... big mistake by owner.
@@imdbtruth All very true. Harden actually played with Durant and Westbrook on the SAME team!!!!! Lost to LeBron and Wade in the finals.
@Randy Graham harden barely got any minutes and was on the bench for that series
Luka just gotta switch teams like LeBron in 2010
can we really compare luka and harden when one has played with all stars and the other is playing with undrafted players and second rounders ??
Luka has also
not bad for only being 23 tbh
james harden went to 7 games against the best team of all time people gotta stop acting like he ain't top 30 at minimum lmao
Check his averages in that 2018 series. Cp3 was actually the best player on the team during the playoffs
Not the best team if they went to a game 7. Da Bulls
James harden definitely had a pre game meal 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Part of being "harden 2.0" would have ro be failing in the playoffs to deliver which he hasn't. So first off he isn't harden 2.0.
Next harden teams were better than these Dallas teams. People don't actually watch games. If Luka isn't on the court where is offense coming from? The rest of the lineup can barely dribble let alone create.
Put this version of Luka on those Rockets team from 2017-2019 and they at least win one title
@@PyroMiniYak no they don’t. They would lose to the warriors every year just like with harden. We saw how badly the warriors outclassed the Mavs by running an actual offense and having a great defense
@@kyongju8328 that’s cuz the warriors are a well built team with good coaching and 3 future hall of famers. But let’s not forget in 2018 the Rockets took them to game 7 and were up 3-2 on the series. But of course Harden and CP3 being the playoff chokers that they are blew the series and the rockets had the worst shooting performance I’ve ever seen. Now does Luka change the outcome of the series? probably not it’s all hypothetical. But unlike Harden, Luka actually gets better in the playoffs and led a team that’s poorly constructed that has no business contending to the conference finals beating a 60 win team on their way losing to the eventual champs Warriors. I don’t care what anyone says, that’s impressive.
Luka is beating that stacked warriors team? come on man
Conclusion from my basketball philosophy is that, ball dominant play style isn’t going to win.
When you play basketball you need the ball to get it going, to feel that you’re making difference.
Playing with a ball dominant players feels bad. He might pass to you, but unless it’s a crazy highlight material or buzzer beater, even you can not say to yourself that you were the sole one to praise for the points.
It’s not organic for a team to play like that. People are more than likely to no show because win or lose its not their team.
And yes, Luka IS the new James Harden. Which is a shame because he’s, to me, much more versatile than Harden.
Gotta say you bugging my boy Harden played with KD, Russ, Dwight , Kyrie CP3 still no ring now he’s with Embid
It’s easy to play free when all of your negative stats will be omitted for the inflated ones
Yo OG would be perfect for that Mavs team right now
Bruh the dude is still a baby in nba age…. I hate all the hot takes about these young players before they even hit 25, hell the consensus about gianiss was that he’d never be a champion caliber player with his “limited” play style….
Luka is just prime Harden early 2000 Labron was a monster on defense
Luka plays no defense
@@legendarytony2454And yet he's top ten in every single defensive stats except blocks and he's also 2nd in the league in turnovers
It's not 2019
This is a great comparison with a very important detail that changes everything which noobs don't get. Harden won a lot of series, had it not for CP's injury they would defeat the warriors with KD - nobody in the NBA could dream of defeating them. It's just with harden that somewhere in the playoffs he will pull a Ben Simmons. If not for that he could have won championships. Luka is dominant in the playoffs, so with same circumstances as harden he can win championships in the future.
Luka won't share the ball with another star he's shown us that. One thing to kick to shooters another to stand aside and let another star get some shine. That's not him
imagine if luka got the celtic system or even just the grizzlies system, he will be a walking god
Well, it's more the quality of players on the Celtics and Grizzlies. Much better rosters -- especially the Celtics. Last year Memphis was an extremely good team even when Ja was hurt.
Luka played very well with Brunson so he would fit in fine with a star like Tatum or Morant, etc. as teammates.
@@randygraham926 who do you think the mavs could realisticly target ?
Great video, I appreciate you defending Luka bc the lazy narratives are outta control. Should’ve used the final play from the Raptors game last night to demonstrate what happens when he doesn’t do it all himself lol. He was doubled & tripled majority of the game, but he passed out of them, made the right reads, trusted his teammates, & on the final possession we saw what happened. Anyone who’s seen that & the Rockets game w/out him should be able to understand why he plays how he does right now. It’s the only way the Mavs can compete with the limited roster
Yep. He does pass out of the double-teams but last year he had another playmaker in Bruson to help share the load. Owner and new GM are the problem -- not Luka.
Gotta update the Lames Harden elimination numbers
AYO this team got blown up, now we need a new narrative.
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Luka... Come to Denver.. Support AS much AS you want
incoming the "decision" from Luka Doncic special espn episode
James Harden comparison is dumb. Harden has elite role players and All star teammates.
Hero ball? Harden plays hero ball no matter whose on the floor with him, Luka plays hero ball because his teammates are bricking shots and nobody can create except him. I bet nobody will say anything if Luka gets help but the way Mavs FO is doing seems like Luka will have the Harden comparison and slander for a long time.
This is a team management issue. If Luka wants to win in the Playoffs he needs to leave Dallas and go to a team willing to contend for a Championship. It's that simple tbh. He could waste his career till he's 27-29 in Dallas before finally asking for a trade.. OR he could leave while he's young and try to form a Championship contender elsewhere with a better managed team.
The problem starts with the owner, Mark Cuban, who makes the decisions -- and when it comes to baskeball, they're mainly bad. Don Nelson Sr. got them Dirk and Steven Nash; Don Nelson Jr. persuaded them to draft Luka. Nelson Jr. TRIED to get Cuban to draft Giannia... but Cuban refused. But Cuban fired Nelson last year.
They did nothing when their 2nd best player left and the team is badly constructed. There are other organizations in the league with competent management and Luka will probably need to move on to win a title.
He is like Harden, first thing I’ve said when I first saw him play against the Clippers. Contrary to Harden he ups his game in the playoff though.
Comparing him to LeBron is a good one too.
People will say Luka gets his team involved look at the assists. But usually that's 1-2 people touching a ball a possession, guys still get cold. You gotta sacrifice yourself to help the team actually play better in the long term
They dont get cold, they are just trash. You wouldnt want any of these guys on your team.
Exactly
Why are y’all in these comments actually talking like this mavs team should be winning a championship. Curry or Lebron or Durant haven’t won a championship without other stars. So why should Luka ??? They went to the west conference finals last year. Even tho they were predicted to lose every round.
Yup
@Yessuh I’m him that’s. Horrible reason. Put Luka on Celtics with Jalen brown and Marcus smart. I doubt Dallas making playoffs with Jason Taytum
Luka's team sucks. You can't blame him for starting players shooting less than 30 percent. Give him half the talent Steph has to work with then let's see what happens.
Porzingis showed today what he can produce. Shame he couldn't show that talent at the mavs
He never pl3aayed more than 57 games in a season for the mavs. He was very productive for stretches like hes gone on now when fit.
Luka way better than Harden.
Harden never stopped posting up in Houston. That was an integral part of his game.
I almost forgot Seth Curry was on the Mavs. I love Spencer he’s really big for them but Seth is elite. He would definitely take pressure off Luka and be their best shooter.
Colin with the it’s free real estate 😏
First off, Luka IS James Harden. Only thing he has in common with Lebron is being a protégé and court vision. Giannis is Lebron. Shai is Brad Beal. Jaden Ivey is Russ.
Not listening to anyone who can’t pronounce “sustain” keep it a bean 🫘
luka been in the league since 2018 bro already good as russ and harden i think he can overcome this
Need to trade him up for a handful of playmakers so the team can stive as well as Luka. They both need very different lineups.
I think that the "He doesn't involve his teammates" narrative is misguided. He literally can't let anyone make plays for the Mavs because he is the only playmaker in the team. About shot creating? yes, Certain guys in the team can score but they're not consistent. The team has multiple people that can well average over 20 points per game besides Luka. But their lack of efficiency and consistency blurs who really is the "second guy" behind Luka.