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Israelis developed the Galil from the Valmet AKs because their FALs didn't really work well in sandy conditions. I don't understand how one would argue that a Galil isn't an AK. Saying that is like saying that the Mini 14 isn't a Garand platform gun , or that an MP5 isn't a smaller G3.
I think the difference is in your examples you say platform gun or smaller. But in state galil is an Ak there is no adjective like that being used. I personally get why people say galils are aks especially the original however I don’t love the phrase because they are very different. Saying a galil is an ak variant or ak based gun make more sense than just saying it’s an Ak cause well it’s not doesn’t take ak furniture or many other things it’s not exactly an Ak.
We literally made the galil (original one) as a design as close as possible to the enemy's AK system, because at the time we used FAL rifles which are heavy, bulky and quite prone to jam up in even the slightest of sand. The original galil you can think of as an AK in 5.56 with a bottle opener cuz reasons. Love the galil, the ace is my favourite modern rifle and yes, I'm biased af cuz I'm Israeli.
@•F_bash I've no idea what 'harashing' is, but I'm pretty sure I didn't do that to you. I asked a legitimate question given the stupidity of the claim you made. Anyone with even limited knowledge of gun design can tell the AK is not an STG clone, the only thing in common between those two guns is the long stroke approach and even that has some small differences (and long stroke piston wasn't exclusive to the STG or new to the soviets). So yeah, don't waste my time, go get educated on the topic you're trying to air your opinion about and fuck off.
The Israelis went the AK route because they weren't impressed with how the FAL handled sand during the Six Day War. The Galil is directly based on the Finnish Valmet which definitely is an AK. Don't see how one can say the Galil or ACE isn't an AK...
I would say that they took a mass production rifle and made it significantly more expensive and harder to manufacture. That would only be an improvement if you dont need to produce 10 million rifles in a few years, which was a major purpose of the AK design.
I have a 2nd generation Ace in 7.62x39, and I absolutely love the thing. As far as it being an AK variant goes, I consider it a variant. Heck, it even resembles one! I remember an old saying "The Russians invented the AK but the Israelis perfected it"
It is an AK, the Israelies made it clear when they were creating the original Galil that it was a varient of the AK. This ACE is simply a modernized version of that. IMO they also look more similar than they look different. The Vz.58 is the best example of something that looks like an AK but isn't even close.
To elaborate on the Vz.58 for those that dont know already it uses a short stroke gas piston system vs the long stroke gas piston on AK and it uses a tilting bolt vs the rotating bolt the AK uses so it looks like an AK but has nothing in common other than it fires the same 7,62x39mm round as the AK
If people consider long/short stroke piston ARs with different gas blocks, carriers, extensions, etc an AR variant then a Galil can be an AK variant dammnit.
The vz.58 is a perfectly example of a gun that looks like a Ak, but isn't one. Completely different inside. Looks are deceiving. Just because the Ace doesn't look exactly like a classic Ak, doesn't mean it isn't in the same family. Otherwise the new Kalashnikov Ak-12 wouldn't a Ak either...
The Galil was originally built as a Valmet clone, they payed the Finns for the blueprients and even the tooling. The Valmet is an slightly elongated AK (hammer for example is longer, BGC is shorter in some areas, etc) with a milled receiver and some improvements as a trade-off for some extra weight (and, especially back in the day, a good chunk of extra cost per rifle made, now CNC makes that a bit of a moot point).
Variants with both folding and collapsing AR style stocks, left side safeties, and rear sights/ rails on the dust cover can not be considered "variant AKs" **Russias AK12 begins sweating profusely**
You have to realize that since they’ve done away with the US made 556 nobody really pays attention except collectors... I love them but most people now are into the MCX so unfortunately it’s kind of falling off of the radar.
@@marcostadeo3577 mini 14 is not short stroke. The op rod goes into the gas block where gas hits it directly in a blind hole on the end of it. Long stroke and DI in a way.
It's probably because the ace is starting to look more like a M4 or AR15 and that can be bothersome to those who prefer the AK platform. That was my first thought when I saw an ace for the first time was it kinda looks like someone mixed a AK with a M4.
When the galil first came out, the Israelis said that they had based it on the AK. Just because people are ignorant today doesn't mean they are correct, LOL
If it looks like a rose and smells like a rose, it's a rose.... Easier proving this than explaining to thicker headed people, normal "DI" ARs are piston guns...
Tim, that 550 is among the most beautiful of rifles. I was jealous every second that it was on screen. I think all the modern rifles can make us forget about semi-modern offerings like the 550. It represents when rifles were becoming modernized, yet retains it's classic appeal. This is why I love this channel. Keep up the excellent work.
At 0:24, MAC saying that the Galil is an AK variant....the comment section: "hold my beer" nope it is not an AK is a Valmet then modernized after the AR-15
My favorite thing to here that’s completely false it how people say the Galil is the only true AR/AK hybrid. I just ask them if they’ve ever actually seen one.
Rather surprised the folks think this isn't an AK at heart, the guts are almost identical, same with the South African R4s and R5s. Used all of them, great guns, and if you can use one, you can use them all.
I agree with everythng you mentioned MAC. Spot on. I tell people the same thing. As for the SiG 550/1/3. Those are an evolutionary hybrid of the AK. With the 552 being the most reminiscent and step cousin of the AK. The 55X series is a better weapon and more robust design in my opinion.
I got you MAC, the Galil is a variation of the AK: Variation: a change or difference in condition, amount, or level, typically with certain limits And/or a different or distinct form or version of something. Not to mention Israel literally to the AK model and modified it to their specifications.
If you use the bolt design as the standard, FNC, SIG550 and QBZ-95 (also probably the QBZ-191) are the best examples of "doen't looks like AK but actually is AK" type of "AK", one of them even is a freaking bullpup.
I just had an internet argument today with a dude who was adamant that the VZ-58 is an AK variant because it "has a piston" and is chambered for 7.62x39.
🤣🤣🤣 the VZ58 while cosmetically appears like the AK is an sks inside except for the striker mechanism. Sad part is someone will argue that and then argue that the AR15 bolt is not from the Johnson rifle even though stoner worked with Johnson when developing the AR10
The Galil definitely is an AK, on the 7.62x39 the bolt is even interchangable with a standard Warsaw spec AK bolt (his headspace is just far enough off between the two that it won't lock in). My sig 550 is an ak as well, just modernized by the Swiss. And my 553r is the same thing but takes standard AK magazines and uses 7.62x39 so it's even more of an AK. Plus when speaking with the people at Sig AG they said for their original design of the rifle they took looked at the AK and asked how can they keep the design but improve it
The sig series rifles are a western take of the AK platform but built from the ground up rather than adapting an existing ak. Now, newer AKs are trying to mimic the superior swiss design.
I disagree. The SIG 550 is different enough from both the original AKM design as well as from all the modern AK74 designs as to not make it an AK variant. It’s design was for sure influenced by the AK but that doesn’t make it one. The whole upper and lower assembly and gas system are very clearly not like that of an AK. Calling the 550 an AK is like saying the SCAR is just an AR-18. The 553r was designed long after the 550 and there’re also AR variants chambered in 7.62x39 so I don’t see how that makes it an AK either.
I'm not saying that the Sig 55X are AK variants, but AK inspired platforms. They took the same long stroke gas operation, but improved everything else. Every complaint one would have with the AK is fixed by the Sig 55X. According to Rob Ski from AK Union, Sigs 55X series are AKs ruclips.net/video/14NEh6LcHzg/видео.html
@@marcostadeo3577 The designers of the 550 have for sure taken some inspiration from the AK however the result is very clearly not an AK. Other than the bolt head the 550 has very little in common with an AK. Like at all. Yes, both guns are long stroke gas piston operated but so are a whole lot of other guns. The piston itself has a completely different design though. The recoil spring isn’t even at the same place and the adjustable gas port is nothing like that of an AK. The upper and lower aren’t even close to that of an AK and neither is the trigger mechanism. I don’t see how you could possibly call the 550 an AK variant when there are absolutely no other AKs, neither original designs nor more modern variants, that are anything like the 550.
@@nikolaswirz4022 incorrect the sig 550 series is 100% an AK and is simply a modernized AK. Yes the gas piston is of AK design, just because specs are different doesn't mean design is different. The design of the trunnion is nearly identical. The sig 552 (another AK) also shares the same recoil spring location. Just because the reciever is two piece doesn't mean it's not an AK either as the original AK-46 was a two piece as well. Just because you take a Romanian wasr and throw away everything but the barreled action and replace everything else from the butt plate to the top cover to the muzzle brake and everything in between doesn't make it not an AK
The Galil is a modified improvement on the AK. It's only about 10 times better in use. I had a guy try to pawn a Galil ACE 2 5.45x39 this week. I wanted to help dude, but with no ammo and only magazine, I can't do a loan on it.
Good video, I agree on both points. The AK heritage is obvious in a Galil, even though the Israelis and Finns made great improvements throughout. Hearing people say the Sig is just a Swiss AK is a stretch to me, granted it retains a couple of similar design influences. But it's 90% different and at some point there is so much more new than borrowed. It's like saying every long stroke piston design is an AK, and they aren't. There are zero parts that interchange between the Sig and AK designs, and the bolt is the only thing that even looks similar to me.
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The galil was an Israeli "copy" of the Finnish valmet rk62 which was a "copy" of the Russian akm, they're all ak variants, it's funny that I hear people say czech vz68's are more ak than galils
Sadly a lot of the "this is an AK vs. this is not an AK" come from people conflating who manufactured it as well as the firearms military performance reputation. They wrap up their personal identity with the firearm to the point that they are willing to jump on a sword to defend their rationale.
It is interesting that the shortened versions of the SG550 (SG552 Commando) just have a recoil spring in the rear of the receiver, since it seems that it is more difficult to wind a spring of the desired size on a short barrel. What makes this model a little more AK-like
NIIEET... the biggest difference is the watchmacalit next to the thingamayiga and don't forget the 3 microns angle on the barrel crown. Awesome video Mac
The Galil came into existence due to the Israel needing a firearm that could do well in harsh conditions, orginally the firearm used during the 7 day war was the FAL and it did rather poor in the conditions of the area. IWI(Previously IMI) used captured AK's as a base for the design of the Galil, it is the same as the Valmet in which the base AK-47 design of the time was used as the standard to innovate off of. It quite literally would just a fancy AK variant. And before someone says the AK was based off the STG-44 I am not sad to disappoint you but it is not. Take an M1-Garand and flip it the action upside down and reverse the side the charging handle is on when upside down: you now have an AK, and Kalashnikov has known writings that show a lot of his inspiration came from the M1-Garand backing this up as well.
How is no one talking at the fact that this dude has what looks like a real East German AK??? I think the only more rare AK than an EAST GERMAN one is a North Korean one
Towards the end of the video MAC compared the Sig PE 90 to the AK. He shows it’s clearly influenced by the AK but is different enough not to be a variant. I would put the FNC in the “influenced but not a variant” category.
What I find funny is how half the time they would say the Galil or whatever isn't an AK, but then swear by that the Vz58 is when the internals are nothing alike. Not even the damn magazines are the same. Edit: As for my opinions on the Sig 550 series, I agree. It is not an AK, but definitely takes a good number of ideas from it. It's like what the MCX is to the AR-15... well, maybe the MCX is more AR-15 than the Sig 550 is an AK, but that's besides the point. The manual of arms are completely AR-15 as well as a lot of the initial disassembly and stuff (I mean, AR-15 lowers fit the uppers with a small conversion kit), but it runs on an AR-18 system with the recoil springs in the receiver and being a short-stroke piston gun.
My little girl and I were watching the segment, totally fixated on Grogu, because she has one (the Galil is an AK variant). Every time Grogu was posing in a different fashion, it cracked us up big time🤣🤣🤣. Well done gents! My daughter and I thank you.
I always have thought of the Sig 550 series to almost be an hybrid of the FAL and AK series of rifles respectively. Drawing heavily of the better aspects of each design. Side note, Grogu is the best comic relief in this video
The AMAX is not the same as the AK47 Tim. 😂 For those who still say that the Galil isn’t an AK variant: So many AK variants don’t have parts compatibility with one another. Take the Zastava made AKs not having major parts compatibility with Bulgarian AKs. Does that not make them an AK variant. It’s the same with the Galil.
I completely agree with you. There are all sorts of AK variants. IMO the Galil is another variant. Most people have no problem calling a Norinco MAC 90 an AK variant yet virtually no parts will interchange with a Russian AK pattern gun.
You see, the Galil and the Galil Ace look like AKs, where the design team was given time to fix problems with the original AK series... The Sig is the one that you need to break it open to see the Kalashnikov DNA in it. And even then it isn't a son or clone, it is a distant cousin at best.
Well, we know how many folks have never cleaned their Galil G1. This video should have never been necessary. Anyways...HAHA! How about that Baby Yoda at 5:47.
The Galil is more of an AK than the VZ58. I have both. Both are extremely accurate and trouble free. I like the VZ more because it’s lighter in the field….I don’t like the propriety magazines though.
Hell BRO,I love how you set these others straight,stick it to em !! great bloody vid as usual ,by far one of the top two gun review channels on the tube,you and garand thumb ,I really appreciate the time and effort you put into these reviews and I really like the facts and no b.s ,you can't get better than the plain truth hey fellas!
Its just funny how some people think just because it looks slightly different that it is essentially a different rifle. You should show them an SKS in an old Norenco stock.
When I'm cleaning my ACE .308 and sam7sf, they are basically exactly the same. I cant believe people give you this much crap about the ACE not being an AK to where you felt the need to make a video. Thanks for the clarification that these people apparently need.
I purchased my Galil AK when they 1st came out, Still have it and still love it. Holds zero each time I take it down to clean and put it back together. Very accurate and just love it. Its definitely one of my goto should zombies come around.
Just like HK MR762A1 is the pinnacle of AR platform IWI Galil ACE is the pinnacle of AK platform. Neither platform can't get any better than those designs. However, what's funny is that Russians created the AK but Israelis perfected it and Americans invented the AR but Germans perfected it. In conclusion, there's no match to German/Israeli perfection. Another great video! 👍
''Wish I could find my original parts to put it back together.'' This is why I never throw out or sell gun parts. You never know when your mind may change.
@@STRAKAZulu im more this speed, AFAIK the galil doesn't use ak mags unless you get a aftermarket lower/magwell, its very definitely a derivative, but I wouldnt call it an ak, its like calling a sig mcx an ar180, or any number of rifles that borrowed 80% of the ar180 for the guns.
@@STRAKAZulu It isn't based on the AR, nothing about its mechanism is like an AR. It only takes AR mags, that's the only relevant point in common. It's way closer to an AK.
The AK is a MBW for the the USSR military. Cheap to build, easy to train recruits on, low maintenance and just good enough. "There is a quality to quantity." The Valmet and Galil are more expensive, still easy to train recruits on, low maintenance and is better then just good enough. A Ford Pinto compared to the Mustang.
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My take: The Galil is an excellent rifle & the label is less important than the fact that I can't afford one.
wise words indeed
Parts kit 😉
Israelis developed the Galil from the Valmet AKs because their FALs didn't really work well in sandy conditions. I don't understand how one would argue that a Galil isn't an AK. Saying that is like saying that the Mini 14 isn't a Garand platform gun , or that an MP5 isn't a smaller G3.
Correct
Exactly
You moved from one dangerously place to another !
@@williamwallace9427 not even close. New Mexico is not rapidly turning into a failed state.
I think the difference is in your examples you say platform gun or smaller. But in state galil is an Ak there is no adjective like that being used. I personally get why people say galils are aks especially the original however I don’t love the phrase because they are very different. Saying a galil is an ak variant or ak based gun make more sense than just saying it’s an Ak cause well it’s not doesn’t take ak furniture or many other things it’s not exactly an Ak.
Stupid people made Tim make a video. Everybody wins.
😂😂😂exactly
I’m glad he did,I learn something new all the time..of course I never questioned Tim’s knowledge or told him he was wrong either
Reminds me of the occasional videos from Paul Harrell
Smart people watch these videos and learn something. Dumb people don't.
The Galil is the Israelis “modernized improved AK”.
People are idiots.
We literally made the galil (original one) as a design as close as possible to the enemy's AK system, because at the time we used FAL rifles which are heavy, bulky and quite prone to jam up in even the slightest of sand. The original galil you can think of as an AK in 5.56 with a bottle opener cuz reasons. Love the galil, the ace is my favourite modern rifle and yes, I'm biased af cuz I'm Israeli.
@•F_bash Are you pretending to be stupid or you were dropped on the head as a kid?
@•F_bash I've no idea what 'harashing' is, but I'm pretty sure I didn't do that to you. I asked a legitimate question given the stupidity of the claim you made. Anyone with even limited knowledge of gun design can tell the AK is not an STG clone, the only thing in common between those two guns is the long stroke approach and even that has some small differences (and long stroke piston wasn't exclusive to the STG or new to the soviets). So yeah, don't waste my time, go get educated on the topic you're trying to air your opinion about and fuck off.
@@ilanravich1514 Mitzuyan! The bottle opener was to save the magazine lips from that duty. You knew that but this is for everyone else.
I was told that the Galil was a copy of the Mig-21. And what do you mean by 'idiots'?
The Israelis went the AK route because they weren't impressed with how the FAL handled sand during the Six Day War. The Galil is directly based on the Finnish Valmet which definitely is an AK. Don't see how one can say the Galil or ACE isn't an AK...
Also probably wanted to move to an assault rifle rather than a heavier battle rifle
"Six Day War" 🙄
interestingly, the Uzis were also not that great in the sand, and yet Israelis kept them..
Literally took the AKs from captured/retreating Egyptians. If you meet an Egyptian in California, they are still retreating.
Definitely based off the kalashnikov. The Israeli's just saw all the flaws and improved on them for modernization military purposes.
They do that a lot, and do it well.
I would say that they took a mass production rifle and made it significantly more expensive and harder to manufacture. That would only be an improvement if you dont need to produce 10 million rifles in a few years, which was a major purpose of the AK design.
They did the same with the American 249 lmg. Negev I believe. Unlike our 249 their Negev works with magazines.
Everything you just said hit a brick wall😬
@@charlessalmond7076 M249 can take standard STANAG magazines if you run out of belted ammo.
I have a 2nd generation Ace in 7.62x39, and I absolutely love the thing. As far as it being an AK variant goes, I consider it a variant. Heck, it even resembles one! I remember an old saying "The Russians invented the AK but the Israelis perfected it"
i am very intrested in this gun. is it really that hevy? what inch do you have?
It is an AK, the Israelies made it clear when they were creating the original Galil that it was a varient of the AK. This ACE is simply a modernized version of that. IMO they also look more similar than they look different. The Vz.58 is the best example of something that looks like an AK but isn't even close.
To elaborate on the Vz.58 for those that dont know already it uses a short stroke gas piston system vs the long stroke gas piston on AK and it uses a tilting bolt vs the rotating bolt the AK uses so it looks like an AK but has nothing in common other than it fires the same 7,62x39mm round as the AK
Vz 58 and StG 44 are the two big ones.
exactly Vz 58 look like Ak but its not, Galil is AK or more precise licesed Valmet
I don’t know Tim. Some people call the Disney movies star wars movies, but we all know they are not Star Wars movies. :)
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If people consider long/short stroke piston ARs with different gas blocks, carriers, extensions, etc an AR variant then a Galil can be an AK variant dammnit.
The Galil is closer to an AK than an HK 416 is close to the AR-15.
But the 2 rifles have completely different sights so are obviously different rifle designs. 😂
Haha, agreed!
That's about the only difference lol...
The vz.58 is a perfectly example of a gun that looks like a Ak, but isn't one. Completely different inside.
Looks are deceiving. Just because the Ace doesn't look exactly like a classic Ak, doesn't mean it isn't in the same family. Otherwise the new Kalashnikov Ak-12 wouldn't a Ak either...
I love how little yoda changed his position and holds a pistol at 2:51 while looking through a binocular
Enemy spotted! 😤
That Swiss Arms has to be the finest made military rifle ever made. Rolex of rifles.
jeez, Galil ACE is descendant of AK, for crying out loud
The Galil was originally built as a Valmet clone, they payed the Finns for the blueprients and even the tooling. The Valmet is an slightly elongated AK (hammer for example is longer, BGC is shorter in some areas, etc) with a milled receiver and some improvements as a trade-off for some extra weight (and, especially back in the day, a good chunk of extra cost per rifle made, now CNC makes that a bit of a moot point).
Variants with both folding and collapsing AR style stocks, left side safeties, and rear sights/ rails on the dust cover can not be considered "variant AKs"
**Russias AK12 begins sweating profusely**
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Me: I wonder what everyone thinks of the SIG PE90
Everyone: G A L I L
You have to realize that since they’ve done away with the US made 556 nobody really pays attention except collectors...
I love them but most people now are into the MCX so unfortunately it’s kind of falling off of the radar.
@@williamhedrick7983 only “fallen off the radar” in the US, nowhere else though
It's like saying the Mini-14 is not a Garand type rifle...
Kind of, the mini 14 uses a short stroke gas piston where as the m1/m14 use long stroke piston. But pretty much minute differences.
@@marcostadeo3577 mini 14 is not short stroke. The op rod goes into the gas block where gas hits it directly in a blind hole on the end of it. Long stroke and DI in a way.
@@Seabass466 if I'm not mistaken the Mini is just a scaked down M14, which is a short stroke gun
@@chrisclark6161 youre mistaken
@@Seabass466 yup seems I am. The opprod is the piston, making it long stroke.
I would imagine those who think this isn't an ak variant think that the vz58 is.
The Galil Ace is an AK. I don’t know why anyone says any differently.
It's probably because the ace is starting to look more like a M4 or AR15 and that can be bothersome to those who prefer the AK platform. That was my first thought when I saw an ace for the first time was it kinda looks like someone mixed a AK with a M4.
When the galil first came out, the Israelis said that they had based it on the AK. Just because people are ignorant today doesn't mean they are correct, LOL
If it looks like a rose and smells like a rose, it's a rose.... Easier proving this than explaining to thicker headed people, normal "DI" ARs are piston guns...
Pls make a video about the SIG PE 90. Looks so good!
Guide to AK and AK variants:
If you think its an AK: Probably is.
If you DONT think its an AK: Probably is.
Always strange to see « my Fass90/Sig550 » in an US video. Nice to see the correlation
Tim, that 550 is among the most beautiful of rifles. I was jealous every second that it was on screen. I think all the modern rifles can make us forget about semi-modern offerings like the 550. It represents when rifles were becoming modernized, yet retains it's classic appeal. This is why I love this channel. Keep up the excellent work.
Agreed on all points
TLDR - Galil is a direct descendent of the AK and the SIG is a cousin, like 3 times removed.
Baby Yoda is always chillin and that’s amazing.
What the hell Tim?! First you, now Grogu is shilling for Gatorade too?!! 🤪
This is the way.
At 0:24, MAC saying that the Galil is an AK variant....the comment section: "hold my beer" nope it is not an AK is a Valmet then modernized after the AR-15
Still think the sig 55x series are the best looking rifles made. Mechanical excellence
My favorite thing to here that’s completely false it how people say the Galil is the only true AR/AK hybrid. I just ask them if they’ve ever actually seen one.
Hopefully, this video will set all of the 14-year-olds who know nothing about firearms except for what they see in Call of Duty straight.
The Galil is a modernized AK variant while the SIG 550 is more of an AR/AK hybrid variant in my opinion
Rather surprised the folks think this isn't an AK at heart, the guts are almost identical, same with the South African R4s and R5s.
Used all of them, great guns, and if you can use one, you can use them all.
Is a shame that IWI couldn't name one of their Galil ACE versions as "ACE-K", but it's already a calorie-free sweetener
I agree with everythng you mentioned MAC. Spot on. I tell people the same thing. As for the SiG 550/1/3. Those are an evolutionary hybrid of the AK. With the 552 being the most reminiscent and step cousin of the AK. The 55X series is a better weapon and more robust design in my opinion.
I got you MAC, the Galil is a variation of the AK:
Variation: a change or difference in condition, amount, or level, typically with certain limits And/or a different or distinct form or version of something.
Not to mention Israel literally to the AK model and modified it to their specifications.
it's like people who argue that 9mm Luger and 9x19 are different
Anyone that says a Galil isn't an AK variant has never field stripped one, functionally they are nearly identical to an AK.
Take the SIG556 apart, and you find it's about 30% AK. I was pleasantly surprised to learn this when I bought one and took it apart many years ago.
It is very clear that the Galil Ace is a derivative of the AK. However, I like the beer-bottle Galil even more :-)
But, that's just me.
Greets, T.
Then were shown the "Sig PE90/550.
Great video. Thanks for showing the similarities and differences of the rifles. 👍 Love these types of videos. Learn something new every day.
I've always felt that the Sig rifle was more of a hybrid of the AK and AR,with other rifles input.
Like the video.
If you use the bolt design as the standard, FNC, SIG550 and QBZ-95 (also probably the QBZ-191) are the best examples of "doen't looks like AK but actually is AK" type of "AK", one of them even is a freaking bullpup.
I love how you have baby today in the background looking down a spotting scope and holding a CZ(?) pistol 🤣
The Galil is not an AK.... See the set screw on the front sight is a m5 x 1.25 unlike the AK witch has a m5 x 1.0 thread pitch.... So there
I just had an internet argument today with a dude who was adamant that the VZ-58 is an AK variant because it "has a piston" and is chambered for 7.62x39.
The vz is more like a sks than an ak, but even then it's quite different from the sks
🤣🤣🤣 the VZ58 while cosmetically appears like the AK is an sks inside except for the striker mechanism.
Sad part is someone will argue that and then argue that the AR15 bolt is not from the Johnson rifle even though stoner worked with Johnson when developing the AR10
An internet argument probably not ones best use of time :)
Nice!! I need to find this guy so I can sell him my $300 SKS for $1,000 because according to his logic,it’s an AK too..lol
The Galil is an AK variant; the VZ58 is not. I still put them in the same group because they look so similar and the VZ58 is allowed at red October.
The Galil definitely is an AK, on the 7.62x39 the bolt is even interchangable with a standard Warsaw spec AK bolt (his headspace is just far enough off between the two that it won't lock in). My sig 550 is an ak as well, just modernized by the Swiss. And my 553r is the same thing but takes standard AK magazines and uses 7.62x39 so it's even more of an AK. Plus when speaking with the people at Sig AG they said for their original design of the rifle they took looked at the AK and asked how can they keep the design but improve it
The sig series rifles are a western take of the AK platform but built from the ground up rather than adapting an existing ak. Now, newer AKs are trying to mimic the superior swiss design.
I disagree. The SIG 550 is different enough from both the original AKM design as well as from all the modern AK74 designs as to not make it an AK variant. It’s design was for sure influenced by the AK but that doesn’t make it one. The whole upper and lower assembly and gas system are very clearly not like that of an AK. Calling the 550 an AK is like saying the SCAR is just an AR-18. The 553r was designed long after the 550 and there’re also AR variants chambered in 7.62x39 so I don’t see how that makes it an AK either.
I'm not saying that the Sig 55X are AK variants, but AK inspired platforms. They took the same long stroke gas operation, but improved everything else. Every complaint one would have with the AK is fixed by the Sig 55X.
According to Rob Ski from AK Union, Sigs 55X series are AKs
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@@marcostadeo3577 The designers of the 550 have for sure taken some inspiration from the AK however the result is very clearly not an AK. Other than the bolt head the 550 has very little in common with an AK. Like at all. Yes, both guns are long stroke gas piston operated but so are a whole lot of other guns. The piston itself has a completely different design though. The recoil spring isn’t even at the same place and the adjustable gas port is nothing like that of an AK. The upper and lower aren’t even close to that of an AK and neither is the trigger mechanism. I don’t see how you could possibly call the 550 an AK variant when there are absolutely no other AKs, neither original designs nor more modern variants, that are anything like the 550.
@@nikolaswirz4022 incorrect the sig 550 series is 100% an AK and is simply a modernized AK. Yes the gas piston is of AK design, just because specs are different doesn't mean design is different. The design of the trunnion is nearly identical. The sig 552 (another AK) also shares the same recoil spring location. Just because the reciever is two piece doesn't mean it's not an AK either as the original AK-46 was a two piece as well. Just because you take a Romanian wasr and throw away everything but the barreled action and replace everything else from the butt plate to the top cover to the muzzle brake and everything in between doesn't make it not an AK
Tim, that was a whole lotta work to prove a point; and then again, this is why you are who you are! Semper Fi!
The Galil is a modified improvement on the AK. It's only about 10 times better in use.
I had a guy try to pawn a Galil ACE 2 5.45x39 this week.
I wanted to help dude, but with no ammo and only magazine, I can't do a loan on it.
Enjoyed the video. Also really enjoying the repositioning of the Yoda in the background. The watching ATF and then with sideways hat was great
Good video, I agree on both points. The AK heritage is obvious in a Galil, even though the Israelis and Finns made great improvements throughout. Hearing people say the Sig is just a Swiss AK is a stretch to me, granted it retains a couple of similar design influences. But it's 90% different and at some point there is so much more new than borrowed. It's like saying every long stroke piston design is an AK, and they aren't. There are zero parts that interchange between the Sig and AK designs, and the bolt is the only thing that even looks similar to me.
You guys do great work, I have followed you since I started my fire arms Journey, and you have never steered me wrong. You provide those opposite side wrong again… good job, good video
Hello Tim!
Where is plate "I will not comply"?
All the best!
We change things up from time to time. 😀
The galil was an Israeli "copy" of the Finnish valmet rk62 which was a "copy" of the Russian akm, they're all ak variants, it's funny that I hear people say czech vz68's are more ak than galils
Sadly a lot of the "this is an AK vs. this is not an AK" come from people conflating who manufactured it as well as the firearms military performance reputation.
They wrap up their personal identity with the firearm to the point that they are willing to jump on a sword to defend their rationale.
It is interesting that the shortened versions of the SG550 (SG552 Commando) just have a recoil spring in the rear of the receiver, since it seems that it is more difficult to wind a spring of the desired size on a short barrel. What makes this model a little more AK-like
NIIEET... the biggest difference is the watchmacalit next to the thingamayiga and don't forget the 3 microns angle on the barrel crown.
Awesome video Mac
The Galil came into existence due to the Israel needing a firearm that could do well in harsh conditions, orginally the firearm used during the 7 day war was the FAL and it did rather poor in the conditions of the area. IWI(Previously IMI) used captured AK's as a base for the design of the Galil, it is the same as the Valmet in which the base AK-47 design of the time was used as the standard to innovate off of. It quite literally would just a fancy AK variant.
And before someone says the AK was based off the STG-44 I am not sad to disappoint you but it is not. Take an M1-Garand and flip it the action upside down and reverse the side the charging handle is on when upside down: you now have an AK, and Kalashnikov has known writings that show a lot of his inspiration came from the M1-Garand backing this up as well.
Galil is an AK variant essentially. Just rebuilt from the ground up. Truly a modern remix on what an AK could be of built in the 21st century
How is no one talking at the fact that this dude has what looks like a real East German AK??? I think the only more rare AK than an EAST GERMAN one is a North Korean one
The belgian FNC (and the swedish AK 5) are also ''AKs''.
Towards the end of the video MAC compared the Sig PE 90 to the AK. He shows it’s clearly influenced by the AK but is different enough not to be a variant.
I would put the FNC in the “influenced but not a variant” category.
@@timbowers839 The Fnc is much closer to the ak than the Sig.
@@debo2128 agreed, and the Galil is much closer to the AK than the FNC.
Your Gen 1 ACE looks neat as heck with that magpul handguard.
What I find funny is how half the time they would say the Galil or whatever isn't an AK, but then swear by that the Vz58 is when the internals are nothing alike. Not even the damn magazines are the same.
Edit: As for my opinions on the Sig 550 series, I agree. It is not an AK, but definitely takes a good number of ideas from it. It's like what the MCX is to the AR-15... well, maybe the MCX is more AR-15 than the Sig 550 is an AK, but that's besides the point. The manual of arms are completely AR-15 as well as a lot of the initial disassembly and stuff (I mean, AR-15 lowers fit the uppers with a small conversion kit), but it runs on an AR-18 system with the recoil springs in the receiver and being a short-stroke piston gun.
I LOVE the spotter baby Yoda and his choice of sidearm 🤣🤣
As an avid AK owner and a galil ace owner; the galil is %100 an AK variant which is why i bought it in the first place
thank you tim for 13 years!!! keep up the good work!!
My little girl and I were watching the segment, totally fixated on Grogu, because she has one (the Galil is an AK variant). Every time Grogu was posing in a different fashion, it cracked us up big time🤣🤣🤣. Well done gents! My daughter and I thank you.
Exactly. I agree 100%. A Galil is a very well dressed AK. So much so you see a lot of modern Russian AKs using some of the Ace's features
I always have thought of the Sig 550 series to almost be an hybrid of the FAL and AK series of rifles respectively. Drawing heavily of the better aspects of each design. Side note, Grogu is the best comic relief in this video
The AMAX is not the same as the AK47 Tim. 😂
For those who still say that the Galil isn’t an AK variant: So many AK variants don’t have parts compatibility with one another. Take the Zastava made AKs not having major parts compatibility with Bulgarian AKs. Does that not make them an AK variant. It’s the same with the Galil.
I love how the baby Yoda seems to changes positions every time u put a cut in the video
Grogu stayin strapped while spottin! Two man integrity.....
I completely agree with you. There are all sorts of AK variants. IMO the Galil is another variant. Most people have no problem calling a Norinco MAC 90 an AK variant yet virtually no parts will interchange with a Russian AK pattern gun.
Thank you Tim!
SIG 550 video?
I have a feeling it’s in the works...
Great video Tim. Thank you for putting this together. I have study firearm history for many years and you put it so simply. It is an AK variant. :-)
You see, the Galil and the Galil Ace look like AKs, where the design team was given time to fix problems with the original AK series...
The Sig is the one that you need to break it open to see the Kalashnikov DNA in it. And even then it isn't a son or clone, it is a distant cousin at best.
Well, we know how many folks have never cleaned their Galil G1. This video should have never been necessary. Anyways...HAHA! How about that Baby Yoda at 5:47.
The Galil is more of an AK than the VZ58. I have both. Both are extremely accurate and trouble free. I like the VZ more because it’s lighter in the field….I don’t like the propriety magazines though.
1:51 it's the internet brother people will argue anything for the sake of arguing... LOL Great video as always keepem coming!!!
I would love to get a Ace Galil one of these days. But that definitive arms ak is sweet!
People who don't think the Galil is an AK pattern rifle don't understand what "pattern" means in terms of firearms design.
Hell BRO,I love how you set these others straight,stick it to em !! great bloody vid as usual ,by far one of the top two gun review channels on the tube,you and garand thumb ,I really appreciate the time and effort you put into these reviews and I really like the facts and no b.s ,you can't get better than the plain truth hey fellas!
Its just funny how some people think just because it looks slightly different that it is essentially a different rifle. You should show them an SKS in an old Norenco stock.
It's an AK simulation, of an AK simulation, of yet another AK simulation
Interesting vid didn’t realize how similar they are
When I'm cleaning my ACE .308 and sam7sf, they are basically exactly the same. I cant believe people give you this much crap about the ACE not being an AK to where you felt the need to make a video. Thanks for the clarification that these people apparently need.
I purchased my Galil AK when they 1st came out, Still have it and still love it. Holds zero each time I take it down to clean and put it back together. Very accurate and just love it. Its definitely one of my goto should zombies come around.
Just like HK MR762A1 is the pinnacle of AR platform IWI Galil ACE is the pinnacle of AK platform. Neither platform can't get any better than those designs. However, what's funny is that Russians created the AK but Israelis perfected it and Americans invented the AR but Germans perfected it. In conclusion, there's no match to German/Israeli perfection. Another great video! 👍
''Wish I could find my original parts to put it back together.'' This is why I never throw out or sell gun parts. You never know when your mind may change.
I want an ACE but that top cover rail for optics makes me think it will lose zero slightly every time I clean it. Good video.
Lol saying a Gali isn’t an Ak is like saying a modern let’s say a radian isn’t an AR.
It’s like saying a Tavor isn’t an AR variant.
Yeah, it’s a bullpup, but it’s operation is based on the AR-15, shoots 5.56, uses AR-15 mags...
@@STRAKAZulu im more this speed, AFAIK the galil doesn't use ak mags unless you get a aftermarket lower/magwell, its very definitely a derivative, but I wouldnt call it an ak, its like calling a sig mcx an ar180, or any number of rifles that borrowed 80% of the ar180 for the guns.
@@williambell7763 the 5.45 and 7.62 Gali use all mags?
@@STRAKAZulu It isn't based on the AR, nothing about its mechanism is like an AR. It only takes AR mags, that's the only relevant point in common. It's way closer to an AK.
Thank you for clearing this up and hopefully this educates some people who say it is not an ak. I am always baffled when people say that.
A lot of people do say it.... I have no idea what they're thinking. Thanks for watching.
People who don't understand the Galil is an AK variant are the same ones who take their Prius to Jiffy Lube to get the oil changed.
The AK is a MBW for the the USSR military. Cheap to build, easy to train recruits on, low maintenance and just good enough. "There is a quality to quantity." The Valmet and Galil are more expensive, still easy to train recruits on, low maintenance and is better then just good enough. A Ford Pinto compared to the Mustang.