Hey everyone, so as some people already said in the comments, I messed up a few things in the video. So I put them all down in a list to hopefully clarify those mistakes, I'll update the list if any more are brought up, but other than that the rest of the video should be fine. (Hopefully) Thanks to those who brought it up in a nice and informative manner. Also to those who brought up some interesting gems that had ragdolls in them. Mistakes & Clarifications -First video game with authentic ragdoll physics is Jurassic Park Trespasser (1998). -There were much more games with ragdolls before Halo Combat Evolve. -CDs were more prominent than Floppy Discs for PCs in the 2000s. -Minesweeper XP wasn't the smallest version as there was one for Windows 3.0 that was 51KB.
The original Halo didn't have ragdolls, just death animations. I played it a lot back in the day. I believe Halo 2 did have ragdolls, though. I played a lot of sumotori dreams in 2010 in the dorms; my roommate and I loved the level with the table that you could fall onto like Chris Farley. I also played Tricky Truck by the same dev.
Hi there! Been working on my own video about SD (this video has been pretty useful to me thus far) and I happened to notice a few inaccuracies: -The gameplay shown at 7:37 was not of SD's debut, rather Archee showing off the Breakpoint 2007 build at Breakpoint 2008. -There was music in said 2007 build, as well as the "Hidden Part" (but with the grey guy instead of the blue guy) -The "Full" version released in December 2009 was not 100 kilobytes, it seems to be 380.9. The Steam release is about 1.2MB -The full 2009 release was not free (a license key in USD was $4.50, which is $6.61 adjusted for inflation) but you could download it without paying and be limited to 7 seconds per round, basically making any maps besides the default dojo pointless -Archee didn't release the "code" for the game, technically speaking, but a template text file from which to build levels and import them into the game. I know a couple of these are nitpicks but it's better to be over-informed than under-informed, no? (this isn't a dig at you, I just don't have any other way of saying it)
Thanks for the corrections! I'll be honest my research for this video wasn't that thorough because I was rushing to get it out (I even got the wrong first person game at the beginning) but I'm glad you were able to provide some extra info as well. I'm always looking to improve my content and I'm glad that my video was still helpful for you. I wish you luck on your SD video!
"The earliest example of ragdolling in a game was in Halo: Combat Evolved". I must of dreamt titles like Jurassic Park: Trespasser, or Edgar Torronteras' Extreme Biker... 🤣
CE didn't even have ragdolls, they just played one of two death animations. CE's physics engine was still custom and is mostly just spheres and boxes (yes it is mentioned in the video that it's pre-rendered, but I don't think those are physics based animations, I think they're just keyframed unless there's a source claiming otherwise)
Jurassic Park: Trespasser I knew from a video but didn't use because it was more about human ragdolls, but Edgar Torronteras' Extreme Biker is completely new.
My little brother and i spent many hours playing sumotori together, i haven't seen him in years so thanks for reminding of our fun together as kids :)@Cattdude
@@Nekkodude Yup! Max Payne 2 specifically even uses the same physics engine that Valve used as a basis for VPhysics; Havok Physics. And it came out a year prior!
Oh my god I remember playing this when I was at a friends house (we haven't talked to eachother in 10 years) and have been wondering what the game was ever since then
If you enabled Broadsword in Quake3Arena IdTech 3 games you also had pseudo ragdolls, but they really were realtime approximations baked right in the engine, same as Halo CE
I absolutly love ragdolls, if there is a game with a fun ragdoll physics system it always becomes one of my favourites, also i remember playing sumotori dreams and even watching youtubers play the game.
thanks for reminding me this game existed lmao I played this as a kid and it was so fun, really interesting to learn some more about the story behind its creation!
Knowledge of this game is news to me since I somehow haven't heard of it until very recently. Still you made a good informative video of an otherwise trippy-looking game that doesn't appear to have much at first glance, along with introducing another game, too. Quality's improving, too, overall so keep it up, my dude! Honorable mentions from me when it comes to ragdolls would be GTA 4. It never gets old.
Oh my god, watching your video pop up in my feed really did unlock memories of me playing this game when I was a lot younger. Video was great btw! I'm happy to have found your channel too, keep it up!
thank you so much for your research 3 days ago I started becoming obsessed with Sumotori Dreams again for some reason and I really wanted more information I'm so happy I found your video thank you
Oh yeah I watched a video about it, but I didn't include it in this video because I was leaning towards human body ragdolls. I probably should've added it though to give more context.
Good video. On Windows a lot of executable bloat actually comes from the C standard library, because a copy is included in every executable unless you tell the compiler to not do that. Using Windows' own libraries doesn't have the same result, as they aren't copied but linked. Also executables sometimes contain debug info, and some optimizations may take up more code space. After cutting those out, it gets more difficult to reduce size, like the procedural textures mentioned in the video.
Thanks! And thanks for more insight on the optimization. I was actually kind of hesitant to do a video on this because I'm not that good with coding yet so it's nice to hear some more info on this stuff.
I remember another game the developers os sumotori dreams made. It was called something like “goofball”. The game was a ragdoll football game with some extra modes in there too. I remember downloading the lite version on my old tablet because the trailer they used for the game was a gameplay video from markeplier.
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Dude I SWEAR TO GOD IVE PLAYED THAT. I remember playing it on my phone. Or i was very young, so maybe I actually was just watching youtube vids of it and I remember it wrong
This is a wonderfully presented video. Hopefully, we get to see a Sumotori Dreams 2 in the future (which also uses a similar editor to Tricky Machines).
Whoops guess I missed that, I only used the XP version as reference since that's the one most people know about, and the base Sumotori game is still 29 KB, but thanks for letting me know.
Hey everyone, so as some people already said in the comments, I messed up a few things in the video. So I put them all down in a list to hopefully clarify those mistakes, I'll update the list if any more are brought up, but other than that the rest of the video should be fine. (Hopefully) Thanks to those who brought it up in a nice and informative manner. Also to those who brought up some interesting gems that had ragdolls in them.
Mistakes & Clarifications
-First video game with authentic ragdoll physics is Jurassic Park Trespasser (1998).
-There were much more games with ragdolls before Halo Combat Evolve.
-CDs were more prominent than Floppy Discs for PCs in the 2000s.
-Minesweeper XP wasn't the smallest version as there was one for Windows 3.0 that was 51KB.
The original Halo didn't have ragdolls, just death animations. I played it a lot back in the day. I believe Halo 2 did have ragdolls, though.
I played a lot of sumotori dreams in 2010 in the dorms; my roommate and I loved the level with the table that you could fall onto like Chris Farley. I also played Tricky Truck by the same dev.
sumotori dreams mentioned
I used to be obsessed with that game
Hi there! Been working on my own video about SD (this video has been pretty useful to me thus far) and I happened to notice a few inaccuracies:
-The gameplay shown at 7:37 was not of SD's debut, rather Archee showing off the Breakpoint 2007 build at Breakpoint 2008.
-There was music in said 2007 build, as well as the "Hidden Part" (but with the grey guy instead of the blue guy)
-The "Full" version released in December 2009 was not 100 kilobytes, it seems to be 380.9. The Steam release is about 1.2MB
-The full 2009 release was not free (a license key in USD was $4.50, which is $6.61 adjusted for inflation) but you could download it without paying and be limited to 7 seconds per round, basically making any maps besides the default dojo pointless
-Archee didn't release the "code" for the game, technically speaking, but a template text file from which to build levels and import them into the game.
I know a couple of these are nitpicks but it's better to be over-informed than under-informed, no? (this isn't a dig at you, I just don't have any other way of saying it)
Thanks for the corrections! I'll be honest my research for this video wasn't that thorough because I was rushing to get it out (I even got the wrong first person game at the beginning) but I'm glad you were able to provide some extra info as well. I'm always looking to improve my content and I'm glad that my video was still helpful for you. I wish you luck on your SD video!
"The earliest example of ragdolling in a game was in Halo: Combat Evolved".
I must of dreamt titles like Jurassic Park: Trespasser, or Edgar Torronteras' Extreme Biker... 🤣
CE didn't even have ragdolls, they just played one of two death animations. CE's physics engine was still custom and is mostly just spheres and boxes (yes it is mentioned in the video that it's pre-rendered, but I don't think those are physics based animations, I think they're just keyframed unless there's a source claiming otherwise)
Jurassic Park: Trespasser I knew from a video but didn't use because it was more about human ragdolls, but Edgar Torronteras' Extreme Biker is completely new.
@@koekje00005 CEs corpses did adjust themselves to the terrain they fell on, usually deforming the models in unusual ways
@@Nekkodude Thrasher skate & destroy from PS1 has ragdolls, not good ragdolls, but they are ragdolls.
a Toribash mention would fit it well
one of the few games fighting games with the main mechanic being all ragdoll
Never heard of that game before I'm gonna check it out
omg I remember playing this, I never thought I'd see someone else talk about it
Yep it was a fun game and it had a cool origin so I wanted to make a video on it for a while.
me too, i remember playing this a lot!
My little brother and i spent many hours playing sumotori together, i haven't seen him in years so thanks for reminding of our fun together as kids :)@Cattdude
Really? This game was massive on RUclips years ago, literally every letsplayer at the time played it.
It was huge, especally in 2016, or well somewhere in the late 2010's. Even jacksepticeye played it!
OH MY GOD THIS IS ONE OF THE TWO GAMES IVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND FOR SO LONG THANK YOUUUUUU
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What's the other one like?
Thrasher: Skate and Destroy for the PSX (2000) has some wild rag doll when you fail a skate trick.
I loved this game omg
DUDE I REMEMBER THIS
Can't forget about Hitman: Codename 47, Hitman 2: Silent Assassin and May Payne 2 when talking about earliest ragdolls in games 😎
Dang there's a lot more ragdoll games than I thought
Jurrassic Park Trespasser.
@@zion6680The Classic.
Nerd
@@Nekkodude Yup! Max Payne 2 specifically even uses the same physics engine that Valve used as a basis for VPhysics; Havok Physics. And it came out a year prior!
Oh my god I remember playing this when I was at a friends house (we haven't talked to eachother in 10 years) and have been wondering what the game was ever since then
god, i forgot this game existed. i have such fond memories of watching UberHaxxorNova play this.
Bro i was literally just trying to remember his name an hour ago, his modded minecraft playthroughs are a time capsule
Never watched his videos but I have a friend who was a big fan of him and his group the Creatures.
This is my game. I fuck with this game. I don’t know how many viruses I downloaded off softonic to be able to play the full game. Obsessed
Oh I remember this game (I never owned I just watched videos)
omg lol I completely forgot about this game me and my brother used to play the mobile version against each other all the time haha
holy heck you just unlocked some deeeeep seeded childhood memories. i loved the video bru!!!
i forgot about this game since nobody was talking about this ty for opening nostalgia road!
If you enabled Broadsword in Quake3Arena IdTech 3 games you also had pseudo ragdolls, but they really were realtime approximations baked right in the engine, same as Halo CE
That's interesting and funnily enough I believe that the Source Engine uses a modified version of Quake's engine.
Oh how much did I enjoy playing this as a kid alongside Crazy Truck, the latter is also on Steam but I think under a different title.
I absolutly love ragdolls, if there is a game with a fun ragdoll physics system it always becomes one of my favourites, also i remember playing sumotori dreams and even watching youtubers play the game.
I love ragdoll physics too. Landfall games seem to be the only ones realising their potential that I know of.
I don't halo would fit on a floppy disk, cds were more prevalent at the time.
Sumotori Dreams however, would fit on one.
thanks for reminding me this game existed lmao I played this as a kid and it was so fun, really interesting to learn some more about the story behind its creation!
It was quite popular in 2011, I remember playing it back then after school lol
half life 1 also had ragdolls in some versions btw
Knowledge of this game is news to me since I somehow haven't heard of it until very recently.
Still you made a good informative video of an otherwise trippy-looking game that doesn't appear to have much at first glance, along with introducing another game, too.
Quality's improving, too, overall so keep it up, my dude!
Honorable mentions from me when it comes to ragdolls would be GTA 4. It never gets old.
Tricky Truck is also one of the games made by this developer. The looks are quite similar and the game is challenging.
i never thought i would see this game again
thanks for the hit of nostalgia
Oh my god, watching your video pop up in my feed really did unlock memories of me playing this game when I was a lot younger.
Video was great btw! I'm happy to have found your channel too, keep it up!
thank you so much for your research
3 days ago I started becoming obsessed with Sumotori Dreams again for some reason
and I really wanted more information
I'm so happy I found your video
thank you
Thank you, I have long forgotten the name of this little game and now the memories came back, and I love it.
The first video game to have ragdoll physics is the Jurassic park game from 1998. It was the first game to ever have a physics engine.
Oh yeah I watched a video about it, but I didn't include it in this video because I was leaning towards human body ragdolls. I probably should've added it though to give more context.
Good video. On Windows a lot of executable bloat actually comes from the C standard library, because a copy is included in every executable unless you tell the compiler to not do that. Using Windows' own libraries doesn't have the same result, as they aren't copied but linked. Also executables sometimes contain debug info, and some optimizations may take up more code space. After cutting those out, it gets more difficult to reduce size, like the procedural textures mentioned in the video.
Thanks! And thanks for more insight on the optimization. I was actually kind of hesitant to do a video on this because I'm not that good with coding yet so it's nice to hear some more info on this stuff.
postal 2 also had physics and that was released before hl2
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I remember another game the developers os sumotori dreams made. It was called something like “goofball”. The game was a ragdoll football game with some extra modes in there too. I remember downloading the lite version on my old tablet because the trailer they used for the game was a gameplay video from markeplier.
Oh yeah that game was cool too, never tried it only watched Markiplier play it.
i remember playing Sumotori dreams on my asus tablet
hoping the algorithm boosts this video
If you can fit snake in a qr code you can fit alot in 96 kilobytes
It gives something every game should have. Ragdolls.
0:51 It was using the Havok physics engine for ragdolls.
Do Sub Rosa next for The Biggest Physics Based Game!!!
I thought you were a much bigger creator due to the quality of the video, you have a lot of talent.
4:58 i recognized the music but i can’t remember what this is, what is it?
It's Calico Desert from Stardew Valley
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Dude I SWEAR TO GOD IVE PLAYED THAT. I remember playing it on my phone. Or i was very young, so maybe I actually was just watching youtube vids of it and I remember it wrong
i remember watching jacksepticeye playing this game lol
This is a wonderfully presented video. Hopefully, we get to see a Sumotori Dreams 2 in the future (which also uses a similar editor to Tricky Machines).
@@SumoCreations Thanks!
Haven't thought about this game in a long time - since Markiplier covered the game so long ago.
Thanks for the reminder that this game exists.
oh so that’s what that item asylum map was
I remember the jacksepticeye video 🥲
That's crazy to do so little research for a video
high quality video! subbed!
saving private ryan becoming old gif
kkrieger's visuals are WAY ahead of its release. i looks like it could have been made in 2009 or something.
2004
wow sumotori dreams in 2024
Oh man I remember watching jacksepticeye play this game back in the day
Nice, I watched it with Markiplier
Minesweeper was released for windows 3.0 and it weighed 51 KB
Whoops guess I missed that, I only used the XP version as reference since that's the one most people know about, and the base Sumotori game is still 29 KB, but thanks for letting me know.
OH MY GOD I HAD THAT GAME ONCE
Anyone else broke the main platform?
While also crashing in the process? Yeah plenty of times on my phone, never figured out a way that'd work all the time tho
nice
gonna try and store modern warfare 2023 on 7402 floppy disks wish me luck
Lol good luck
Hungary mentioned
If i had a nickel for every time a youtuber doing a "history" bit did 0 research, i'd be a billionaire.
i found sumotori dreams by annoying orange as a kid. I hate annoying orange now but sumotori dreams is still epic
nice vid. leaving a comment for the algorithm
Hey buddy I'm not tryna rush or anything but when are you gonna make a video about Whiteflame or ninja arashi?
Heya Potato, it's still on the list so it might be a while. Although I will probably do it before the Shadow Fight 2 video.
@@Nekkodude thanks also just call me proto lol
niko pfp = instant sub
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none of those games were on floppy??
Oh yeah I forgot, man I messed up a lot on this video, I'll try to list down all the mistakes in a pinned comment later.
@@Nekkodude Great video regardless man
literally no relation to the video but: very slight oneshot mention on your pfp noticed, instanstaneous subscribe to you
(◐ω◑ ) thanks!
What is your pfp? Adult, weed addicted Niko?
Kinda? It's more like a Smug Niko
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7:48 29KB?
It's 29 Kilobytes, that was the size of the game during the presentation.
@@Nekkodude oh mb
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stopping 28 year olds that work 9-5 from saying:"stopping 5 yr olds from saying first"
do your research before making a video like this.
what do you mean by this
Memory unlocked 🥲